Psych book. Second sentence.

nc863id · 2014-04-03T02:04:27+00:00

It's funny how "as you know" is often used as a rhetorical bludgeon to belittle the reader and make them accept something for fear of feeling stupid.

It's a disgusting, weaselly little phrase, as often as not.

toblotron · 2014-04-03T06:39:34+00:00

This does not seem like a respectable psychology book - the style alone; "as you know", and the off-handed throwing around of assertions marks it as the work of an ideological hack.

Source: studied psychology at university level.

thejimmy86 · 2014-04-03T00:01:49+00:00

Here's what you honestly need to do. And I mean this. You need to pull up the data that shows that women are actually more likely to be domestically abusive. It's out there. I'm sure the FAQ section may even have something on it. As I recall, women are slightly more likely to abuse in a relationship. Then you need to print that shit out, stand up in class somehow, and point out how biased that book is.

WolfeBane84 · 2014-04-03T04:07:56+00:00

Imagine this in a textbook:

"As you probably know, black people are much more likely to steal from you."

NiceIce · 2014-04-03T02:30:07+00:00

Sheesh what book is this. I have a degree in Psychology(now finishing up a degree in Computer Science lol). If I had ever seen something so blatently biased in a course book I would have immediately dropped the course. Hell even my Psychology of Human Sexuality class managed to keep the feminism squarely out of the content.

AlexReynard · 2014-04-03T03:01:47+00:00

Hey, everyone already knows it, so we certainly don't have to doubt it or prove it in any way.

ninja_jay · 2014-04-03T09:34:38+00:00

I'm late into this, but is there any chance you could give me a page reference and Author/Title/Publisher? I'm writing up my dissertation on bias in perceptions of aggression and this statement is gold!

Bobarhino · 2014-04-03T01:40:19+00:00

No, all of that is bullshit. Not only the second sentence.

theanedditor · 2014-04-02T23:57:15+00:00

Any textbook that begins a sentence with "But" has its credibility called into question. The bias in the topic (especially having no citations or references) also tells me that this text is a clown's attempt to use two brain cells that aren't talking to each other.

filthylummox · 2014-04-03T03:48:54+00:00

That's not the only thing wrong with this paragraph. Gender doesn't have a biological basis, but sex does. What's the name of this textbook? I'm really curious as to how this got approved as teaching material.

VortexCortex · 2014-04-03T01:22:08+00:00

This is to be expected.

Well, I don't mean to be a dick, but you should be studying Cybernetics, Anthropology and Neurobiology if you want to know about how humans come to think and do things. Psychology is widely regarded as confirmation bias bullshit. I mean, if the NIMH is distancing itself from the DSM5 (the bible of psychiatry) claiming "patients deserve better" than "syndromes" and "diseases" identified by selection bias and therefore not reliably treatable because neuroscience shows the diagnoses have no common underlying cause... then how much better can it be for psychology wherein the methodology came from in the first place?

It should be a red flag with regard to psychology if a book like that isn't laughed right out of the field since it's widely known that women are as aggressive or more aggressive than men? It's not just that the book you're reading is biased. That's a mere symptom of damn near the whole field of psychology.

I don't mean disrespect, but psychology's claims do not refute their null hypothesis, and are thus not scientific in nature. Consider this: You only recognized that sentence as bullshit right off the bat because you actually know something of the subject. What else is just plain bullshit that you don't happen to be so well versed in to call bullshit on it? Having studied some cognitive sciences myself, I can tell you the answer is a hell of a lot more than should be acceptable... Greater degrees of mental gymnastics and jumping to conclusions I've only seen in Feminism and Scientology.

Expect more of the same if you continue this course of study, don't expect to always be able to catch the BS either.

willmaster123 · 2014-04-03T02:52:02+00:00

Can someone link that chart that says that men are raped just as much as women? I remember it being really interesting.

qwsp0 · 2014-04-03T03:13:23+00:00

When was this written?

yourotherusername · 2014-04-03T03:54:14+00:00

They obviously didn't read the fetish thread on askreddit earlier today.

yngwin · 2014-04-03T11:45:28+00:00

[citation needed]

bunker_man · 2014-04-03T05:05:55+00:00

Honestly, I'd just be glad that they admitted biology exists.

ajfirecracker · 2014-04-03T10:35:20+00:00

Is this something the authors intended to be their own statement, or a summary of Peplau (as mentioned in the next paragraph?)

Cagg · 2014-04-03T05:08:52+00:00

This is probably because of the bias measurement as penetration = rape. What the issue here is they are using a broken standard. Fix the foundation before you rebuild the house.

BrSy · 2014-04-03T10:38:58+00:00

You actually use books like these as learning material in some parts of the world? The rethoric alone is far from neutral.

Ketsa · 2014-04-03T12:21:57+00:00

not psych book, ideology book.

deaduponaviral · 2014-04-03T13:14:33+00:00

It's in a book it must be real...

sindibaad · 2014-04-03T20:46:12+00:00

This is going to sound crazy, but this whole concept of "men are inherently monstrous rapists" is something that came, largely, from the racism of white women, with the full support of white men. I'm sure if there are any actual black people on this forum, they will understand how this logic was originally intended to vindicate white men - "they are men, it is in their nature, you can't blame him if the woman didn't stop him well enough" - and vilify black men, EVEN IF THE WOMAN CONSENTED.

the fact that this psych book includes sexist, racist rhetoric, which supports the bullshit "men are aggressive/women are passive" concept, should not make you think the world is slanted in women's favor. It should remind you that fields like psychology enforce already existing concepts about what is "natural" for men and women, which, while not benefitting men, sure doesn't help women either.

blackbart555 · 2014-04-03T15:39:12+00:00

If not for men's aggression, the human race would not exist. Reproduction and all. Maybe it is to simplistic to think that we have animal nature/instincts and perhaps we are no different from our animal brethren or life on earth to which we share common ancestry.

Aggression or confidence? Why are humans so complicated yet so simple? Can I get bacon on that? How many times are we going to smell the color purple?

NotReallyEthicalLOL · 2014-04-03T20:28:36+00:00

10/10, would violently rape professor

gellis12 · 2014-04-03T21:05:51+00:00

Drop the course. You won't "learn" anything useful in there.

c0mputar · 2014-04-03T01:53:12+00:00

Is that how art course books are written? I've seen more mature writings from school children.

JohnQuigley · 2014-04-03T15:16:25+00:00

Nothing wrong with this sentence. They say "almost exclusively", and they're right. Don't try the statistics about "women being more likely to abuse" in a relationship, that isn't the same as rape.

im_not_a_gay_fish · 2014-04-03T14:09:02+00:00

I might be missing something, but i dont really have a problem with anything said here. Mostly because of this line

Fourth, Peplau argues

To me, it sounds like this is a section discussing the views and conclusions of a particular psychologist/feminist/researcher of some kind, specifically what this person may have written in a particular book or study that they did.

Psychology is not an EXACT science from what I understand. There are many different psychologists with many different views. I dont AGREE with the views or conclusions of this particular psychologist, but that doesn't mean that their professional opinions as a psychologist are any less valid. Mostly because the opinions of ANY psychologist can be called into question whether they are talking about why men are violent rapists or why women bend to pressure for sex because they cant seem to think for themselves.

I look at it like a religion class. If i take a religion class, i expect to learn about all of the various religions, no matter how stupid any particular one may seem, or how much of a "heathen"I am for not believing it.

DoublespeakAbounds · 2014-04-03T14:39:02+00:00

No offense guys, but we're making a losing argument to say men are not more aggressive. Statistically, we commit more murders, assaults, rapes, etc. And I would bet my life that will not change during our lifetimes.

It's obvious in your personal lives as well. Watch sports? There aren't a lot of women wanting to play football and rugby...Talk about your fantasies? Not many girls have ever had a Red Rider-esque fantasy about shooting bad guys with their BB guns. But similar fantasies seem to be nearly ubiquitous among men. And, on top of these easily observable facts, nearly all (if not all) of our closest relatives in animal kingdom also display male aggressiveness.

You can not seriously dispute that men are more aggressive. What you can dispute is that it's always a bad thing. Male aggression can be channeled into productive activity - competition, innovation, security, etc.

It doesn't mean that women are never aggressors, but it's pretty silly to suggest aggression isn't associated with gender at all.

EDIT: clarity

HappyAtheist3 · 2014-04-03T04:15:45+00:00

Burn it. Burn it with fire

the22nitschke · 2014-04-03T04:57:53+00:00

I'm all for the mens right movement. And yes men do get raped, but it is a true statement to say more women than men do get raped and it is also true to say that men are more often than not the rapist. So lets call it like it is and say this is a reasonable statement to make.

753861429-951843627 · 2014-04-03T13:50:12+00:00

"Nearly 1 in 5 women in the United States has been raped in her lifetime (18.3%) and only 1 in 71 men (1.4%)"

Source: www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf

And that 1.4% of men were raped by men too. So how is that text biased?

ThePendulumSwingeth · 2014-04-03T04:38:24+00:00

This is one thing I'm not really able to understand. Assuming we're talking about ACTUAL like rape rape. As in not counting something that's legally considered rape because of consent technicalities, how can a woman rape a man?

I'm not trolling or starting an argument, this is one thing I've never been quite clear on.

yolo_swag_tyme · 2014-04-03T05:20:28+00:00

Guys, seriously since when do girls commit rape? How would they even do it? It's nearly impossible for them to hold men down, and if they did, through all the struggle and fear and what not the guy would not have an boner. What am I missing?

Title	Psych book. Second sentence.
Author	anonmouse28
Upvotes	631
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Date	April 2, 2014 11:30 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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