Should DNA testing be mandatory at birth

NAWALT_VADER · 2024-07-03T03:02:00+00:00

Absolutely. DNA should be tested and verified at birth as a standard part of the process. Paternity should also be verified as a requirement in order for the mother to receive child support from a man who has not been proven to be the biological father.

boardattheborder · 2024-07-03T03:03:14+00:00

Yes, absolutely and for several reasons paternity being a ways down the list.

Friends of mine discovered their daughter at the age of six developed a life altering disease. That disease could have easily been screened at birth and treatment began giving her a much better quality of life. Instead she has severe disabilities and her parents are now forever going to be caring for her.

While I fully support for paternity issues as well, that is a small portion of the reason for testing, but one that people like to hang the entire argument on for or against

PoliteCanadian · 2024-07-03T03:39:14+00:00

Every child has a right to know their parentage. Your family history is important for so many reasons, not the least of which is for medical records.

Paternity testing should be mandatory to complete a birth certificate for the sake of the child.

jessi387 · 2024-07-03T02:44:48+00:00

Eventually it will be. Every child will have their dna sequenced at birth. This is the future of healthcare for a variety of reasons . It will also provide proof of paternity by default

Royal_IDunno · 2024-07-03T03:12:08+00:00

Yeah I believe it should be mandatory, after all the man has to pay child support among other things so he should at least have the right to know if the child is his.

Joker_01884 · 2024-07-03T03:24:54+00:00

It should be and here's why .

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/1-5-us-moms-have-kids-multiple-dads-study-says-flna1c9462927?fbclid=IwAR2ol7YkdrgMM3Bz5x0zy7V6KpGZvbGPuCi4wuHNXpzlt9QsB95LHb6wW64

According to various Internet articles involving DNA, one in 25 fathers may not be the biological parent of the child they believe to be theirs. And, for those who do take a paternity test, about 32% are not the biological father per the article. "I'd say this is a good indicator that we should do more legal DNA paternity testing, so that every kid could know the truth about their biological families, says Carnell Smith - Paternity COACH of ThePaternityCoach.com". More in link👇 https://www.uvaldeleadernews.com/articles/dna-uncovering-unraveling-the-past/

The AABB (American Association of Blood Banks), which accredits DNA testing labs, released its findings about paternity testing in a landmark 1999 report. The report states that 30 percent of DNA paternity tests nationwide turn out negative. More in link👇 https://dnatesting.com/paternity-fraud-the-tough-realities-men-must-face/

TenuousOgre · 2024-07-03T04:53:55+00:00

Yes, for the following reasons:

The child to know their parentage for certain
The father to know his child for certain
The mother to know her child for certain (hospitals have mixed up babies)
Use the test to stop forcing fathers unrelated to a child from providing for it, or worse, going to prison for not

falkenSenf7 · 2024-07-03T10:58:39+00:00

Absolutely, I don't understand how some women can seriously pretend that the child is their husbands/partners and if the child truly is the fathers then why be afraid of a test? Honesty and Truth are key points, that's all I can say.

Once heard the quote : „ Trust is good, control is better". In this situation, definitely acquirable. I'm a woman btw, so if I get pregnant from my husband I wouldn't mind him taking a test. He has the right to know.

BowtiepastaMasta · 2024-07-03T02:34:46+00:00

It should be an option for the father. Being so prevalent, it should be offered in confidence.

Legitimate_Taro_1530 · 2024-07-03T04:03:51+00:00

AtemAndrew · 2024-07-03T05:04:58+00:00

Part and parcel with the push for Men to be able to financially pull away. Ignoring various pro-life, pro-choice, and inbetween arguments - if a woman controls any and all discussion regarding abortion, then the man has all the right to know that he is the father and to, potentially, step away.

Necessary_Big9992 · 2024-07-03T07:09:38+00:00

I know 100% that if the child is not mine I ain´t staying.

Dry_Dimension_4707 · 2024-07-03T04:34:13+00:00

Mandatory before that child leaves the hospital, absolutely. I’m a woman, but I’m also the mother of a son. I don’t ever want to see him go through the heartbreak of finding out a child he raised isn’t his. If it’s made mandatory, then it doesn’t have to become a divisive issue between a couple. Further, it can be another fail safe in the system to ensure no one ever leaves a hospital with the wrong baby. Test them both. I don’t care. But we all know paternity fraud is a larger issue than people want to acknowledge. How many Maury and Paternity Court episodes do we need to get the picture?

Temporary-Twist-9348 · 2024-07-03T03:05:04+00:00

Yes, yes, yes! Did I say yes?!

muranovip · 2024-07-03T02:44:51+00:00

Should be standard with an opt out option

CutiePie0023 · 2024-07-03T03:24:08+00:00

mrkpxx · 2024-07-03T06:41:00+00:00

A child must have the right to know who the biological father is and a father must have the right to know which child he is responsible for.

A mother knows this too and switching the child in hospital is not punished as a minor offense.

It will be a milestone and a benchmark for equality if paternity tests are made mandatory.

barndoor101 · 2024-07-03T03:38:44+00:00

Yes, but you need to frame it in a way that makes it about the vanishingly small likelihood of a baby mixup, rather than the obvious reason we all know.

That way if anyone objects it only shows their own hypocrisy.

Fact_Trumps_Feeling · 2024-07-03T03:29:30+00:00

Mandatory paternity tests are a serious threat to a shockingly common, instinctual female mating strategy going back millions of years.

serenwipiti · 2024-07-03T11:41:40+00:00

It should not be mandatory but legally available if the man wants it.

Making it obligatory is giving dystopian vibes.

ArtemisDarklight · 2024-07-03T21:14:39+00:00

Yes.

caolex · 2024-07-03T06:14:18+00:00

Yes. There’s no reason not to. Like at all. It’s sad this is even a question.

HatAccurate1578 · 2024-07-03T05:30:02+00:00

Yeah for sure

AwesomeXav · 2024-07-03T06:46:01+00:00

CauliflowerActual178 · 2024-07-03T10:01:04+00:00

It should father right to ask it at birth and it should be mandatory in case there is child support

Derpalator · 2024-07-03T11:46:39+00:00

Considering all of the other tests done on newborns REQUIRED BY LAW, minimal additional expense to test DNA. Many social inequities would be avoided, many sighs of relief, too.

JoshuaLukacs1 · 2024-07-03T11:54:09+00:00

No, not mandatory. Maybe customary but I'm not a fan of anything being mandatory.

skcuf2 · 2024-07-03T14:16:02+00:00

Honestly, this shouldn't even be about things like child support. You can really fuck someone's life up if you are treating medical conditions based on a family history and half the history is wrong.

All the legal shit is a problem, too. It's just not as important because you can fight legal issues. Health can't be denied.

MDFMK · 2024-07-03T14:27:37+00:00

AssuredAttention · 2024-07-03T14:28:39+00:00

I think for a lot of couples, this wouldn't cross their minds. I do think that fathers should have the private option for the hospital to perform a DNA test without alerting the mother in any way. I would be upset if my husband asked for a test, but if he took advantage of something offered at the hospital, I would be totally fine with it. I would only be upset because he's the one with a history of cheating, not me. Otherwise, I would gladly provide it to him just to do it

stanfy86 · 2024-07-03T15:40:31+00:00

Terminal-Psychosis · 2024-07-03T16:15:18+00:00

Not mandatory, but it should be standard procedure, requiring an opt-out if not wanted.

There are some cases where it makes sense to NOT have a paternity test. It should be standard outside of those though.

Strelock · 2024-07-03T16:33:06+00:00

I don't think it should be mandatory for every birth, but I do think it should be mandatory if the father asks for it. In other words, I don't think that the mother gets to refuse or fight it in court. If the Dad listed on the birth certificate (or not listed but mom later wants to collect child support) wants a DNA test done, it's automatically done. A few of us men are secure in our partners and don't worry about that sort of thing.

MrSaturn33 · 2024-07-03T18:01:15+00:00

In some countries, it's even legally restricted. (France comes to mind)

MegusKhan · 2024-07-04T12:18:53+00:00

YES!

The rights of the child to know his or her actual biological lineage for medical purposes. Greedy women committing paternity fraud deny their children that right.
Financial fraud upon the man is evil.
The secret AP obviously didn’t use protection, so the man who the evil woman is attempting to trick deserves to know to check for STDs for his health.
This is secret emotional abuse by the woman that will hurt if found out at birth, but is overwhelming and destructive when found out years later.

former_farmer · 2024-07-03T05:52:51+00:00

It should. Around 3% of babies belong to another man. That's like 1+ million babies in most countries.

Current_Finding_4066 · 2024-07-03T08:44:36+00:00

People against it should explain their reasoning. Because they mostly seem to be bigots who want to protect sluts.

Bro_with_passport · 2024-07-03T03:13:13+00:00

No, government action has proven bad for men. If we want to fix it, we should have less government interference in our lives. I think it’d be sufficient to make paternity fraud both a criminal and civil offense. That way, the perpetrator can be punished for their crimes, while the victim can be compensated for emotional damages, wasted money, and lost time.

Proper_Frosting_6693 · 2024-07-03T07:29:28+00:00

Yes! Of course! Even asking is a stupid question at this stage!

Mac_McAvery · 2024-07-03T07:24:41+00:00

Yes, I believe in Paper Abortion rights for Men and feel the man should know so he can make a choice if he wants to be in the child’s life or if he never consented to that child being born be given a paper abortion.

JACSliver · 2024-07-03T05:56:25+00:00

Not sure if mandatory by governmental law, but we men ought to be able to keep our money in case of doubt.

DrewYetti · 2024-07-03T10:22:01+00:00

Yes, yes and yes!

imrunningfrom · 2024-07-03T11:38:28+00:00

Short answer... yes. Long answer... YYYYYEEEESSSS

thatusenameistaken · 2024-07-03T11:55:45+00:00

No.

It should be a mandatory part of the first prenatal checkup. A NIPP costs under $500 and doesn't require more than a blood draw from the mom. No reason for a man to be defrauded of so much as a single doctor's visit if he isn't the dad/

MGTOWManofMystery · 2024-07-03T16:00:11+00:00

Yes. It actually helps women and children in the long run (if women can curb their Hybristophilia and eschew breeding with scummy men).

Euphoric-Meal · 2024-07-03T04:11:44+00:00

Are there any estimates of the cost?

liferelationshi · 2024-07-03T12:17:15+00:00

100%

xxTheMagicBulleT · 2024-07-03T12:43:51+00:00

150% of you write your the dad name you should have a DNA test or write down knowingly your adopting the child.

Both reasons proof should be shown. For simple fact it effects to many lifes negatively. And to many children come from broken homes. So in all degrees being able to lie and bullshit your way true things should be made hard. And when the fraud does happen should also be punished more harsh. It's basically talking often about crazy amount of money you fraud away from some one in faulty presences. What should be treated as such.

But already makeing it hard to make more broken homes or people fathering a child that is not there's Would make massive difference for a lot of people.

Shreddersaurusrex · 2024-07-03T13:29:40+00:00

elebrin · 2024-07-03T14:12:04+00:00

Yes. DNA should be collected and sequenced from both parents and the kid anonymously, then sealed and given back. The sequencing should be able to determine that Person B is the child of Person A and Person C.

Bright-Document-2438 · 2024-07-03T14:12:10+00:00

I 100% believe it's mandatory in the modern world. Speaking from logic, not emotions. If a man takes that big of a risk to marry and knowing/unknowing how biased and unfair the laws are towards men in general when it comes to divorce, I think the man 100% deserves to at least know if the child is his.

AbysmalDescent · 2024-07-03T14:23:01+00:00

Yes. 100%. It would not only prevent most forms of paternity fraud but it would also disincentivize women from being unfaithful in the first place, simply by knowing that their infidelity would come to light if it leads to a birth. It would also be important for children to know who their biological father is just to establish possible genetic diseases and hereditary conditions. Men should have the fundamental right to know that they are fathers, with the documentation to prove it so that there can be no doubt. It should be a fundamental reproductive right.

Kafir666- · 2024-07-03T16:46:55+00:00

Yeah but it'll never happen

plough78 · 2024-07-03T17:01:11+00:00

Yes I agree especially in cases where questions arise. They say one thing and mean another. Pick one not actually knowing or one more financially secure to bring up their child even though they know it’s not yours “evil”

OldReaction6834 · 2024-07-04T01:33:42+00:00

That's about as dumb as asking if DNA testing should be offered during a homicide trial. Or if background checks should be required to work for the government. Cmon now.

Material_Panic_4191 · 2024-07-04T11:47:05+00:00

100%. I see no reason to reject such a practice. She is cheap, while giving a man the conviction that he is a father and that his wife is faithful to him. Imagine how many betrayals and infidelities will be cured by such practice in the future. And subsequently, due to the fear of detection of treason, their percentage will probably be lower.

LolliaSabina · 2024-07-04T21:06:37+00:00

DNA testing to establish or contest paternity is NOT illegal in France. All private DNA testing (even for genealogy purposes) is illegal there.

NaturalDevice6524 · 2024-07-06T00:21:03+00:00

As a woman, I support this.

Ok-Team-4704 · 2024-07-07T23:01:09+00:00

No, too expensive. But it should always be allowed in request.

Thats-bk · 2024-07-03T15:18:36+00:00

Yes. There's no reason that it shouldn't be mandatory.

nathanv70 · 2024-07-03T15:43:50+00:00

Newborns are subjected to a bunch of tests and shots within the first 24 hours of birth. Adding in a paternity test to the existing battery of tests is beyond negligible. To this date, I’ve not heard one solid argument against this claim that I’ve made.

diobreads · 2024-07-03T16:19:26+00:00

Should come standard with a suite of other examinations, genetics is also a important indicator of future health prospects.

producechick · 2024-07-03T14:28:08+00:00

I've always said that yes, it should be done. Too many men out there having to raise a child that's not their own, while she sits back saying "you are such a good dad" knowing it's not his or not sure it's his. By then, his name is on the BC and screwed when he finds out.

GooeyLouie420 · 2024-07-03T18:24:22+00:00

Fuck no, I'm not going to volunteer my dna to the fucking government.

Go get a $100 test at Walgreens, which goes to a 3rd party lab (i.e.tamper proof), and get the results back in 2 weeks. If the kid isn't yours, don't sign the birth certificate. Simple as that.

Watchfull_Hosemaster · 2024-07-03T14:37:21+00:00

No, it shouldn't be mandatory. But it should be available if either parent wants it.

CogitoErgoSum4me · 2024-07-03T18:58:25+00:00

There absolutely should be mandatory DNA testing at birth. France made it illegal, citing that 40% of women and 60% of men admitted to cheating on a spouse. I think the numbers are actually reversed, because women in general are more likely to cheat and also more likely to lie.

dependency_injector · 2024-07-03T04:21:50+00:00

No, it shouldn't be mandatory. But if the test wasn't done, the child's birth certificate should say "father is unknown".

GenericLoneWolf · 2024-07-03T07:55:16+00:00

Have you considered the child might have a right to privacy and their body? Testing their DNA without their consent is invasive from my point of view, considering the DNA is part of them.

WEZIACZEQ · 2024-07-03T07:13:08+00:00

No. This is what trust is about. They should be done if the father (or mother for some reason) wants to do it, but not mandatory.

volleyballbeach · 2024-07-03T09:26:51+00:00

Absolutely not. I do not want to be part of a world full of genetic discrimination such as in Gattica.

UbiquitousWobbegong · 2024-07-03T15:46:50+00:00

In a perfect world, yes. Having it be mandatory takes the onus off of men having to justify individual tests. If I suggest the test as a precaution, it makes it look like I think my wife cheated on me. If it's mandatory, then it's just what has to be done, there's no blame to put on the individual. The problem is of cost and scalability.

My understanding is that we don't have the necessary infrastructure to facilitate the increase in tests this would require. It's not as simple as just using the existing equipment more. It would require more equipment, more personnel, etc. And neither the labor nor the equipment is cheap.

So, would I like mandatory DNA tests? Yes. Is it realistic that any movement trying to implement them would succeed? Absolutely not. Anyone who tries to implement them will be raked over the coals for being a misogynist first, and for the cost of the proposal second. Forgetting the fact that we already know women commonly commit paternity fraud, the label of misogynist still holds a lot of sway in politics. The validity of the label doesn't matter.

Then there's the fallout to consider. Single mothers are a huge burden on the state. The state is disinclined to separate men from their obligation to support a family even if it isn't their biological children. And if we do implement this policy, the tax burden on citizens would definitely rise to compensate for the increase in single mothers.

Capable-Mushroom99 · 2024-07-03T03:23:47+00:00

Will it? No, never. Should it? It’s impossible to say because there are potential benefits and harms for all the partys involved. You can’t really say without doing a massive randomized study over several decades whether anyone will be better off. Logically you should only make the testing mandatory if that policy does more good than harm.

In a one night stand type situation you can already get a test in any paternity dispute, so what you’re really talking about is in a marriage/ LTR. You have no idea of the counterfactuals in that situation. Maybe your relationship with your actual biological children is ruined. Maybe it was just a terrible mistake by a woman who still loves you, but you end up getting divorced, never remarry and die miserable, lonely, and 10 years sooner than you would have. Maybe the effect on the children is so bad that you wouldn’t want to inflict that even if you personally benefitted. It’s not so simple.

Jake0024 · 2024-07-03T05:45:57+00:00

SidewaysGiraffe · 2024-07-03T04:22:24+00:00

Goodness, no. Do you WANT the government to have a record of the genes of everyone born in the country? They know FAR too much already.

AOC4Prez2028 · 2024-07-03T04:53:40+00:00

If a woman cheats it is because her "man" did not provide for her. Why should yhe woman be punished for a mans faults?

Title	Should DNA testing be mandatory at birth
Author	mickdon2k
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Date	July 3, 2024 1:57 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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