I'm questioning something I learned from the red pill. It's about red flags.

Avast_Lion · 2025-11-06T23:56:09+00:00

My sister. She’s a lesbian.

Solondthewookiee · 2025-11-07T00:24:12+00:00

According to the red pill, if a woman has tattoos, piercings

These aren't red flags in the slightest. I don't personally like a lot of tattoos and piercings, but not because it's a "red flag."

drinks alcohol

Like how much? Drinking socially isn't a red flag, being an alcoholic is, though not because she's "promiscuous."

has lots of male friends but almost no female friends

This is probably the only one that would be a flag for me. I've personally found that women who can't get along with other women tend to be obnoxiously abrasive; the type of women who talk about how brutally honest they are, but are really just interested in the "brutal" part. Maybe that works for some people, but not for me.

Have you ever met a woman around you who has these characteristics but is a virgin or has little sexual experience

Sure, go to a Christian Youth Ministry geared towards "hip" kids and you'll likely find someone with tattoos and piercings all over.

Also, do you know what scientific data and meta-analyses say about this?

No, I greatly prefer to assess people on a case-by-case basis than trying to apply statistics to what I think is applicable.

p_fulga · 2025-11-07T00:50:12+00:00

I drink a few times a month, have a good chunk of piercings, plan on getting a sleeve tattoo done over next year, I'm goth, I used to have mostly dudes for friends until I got into college, I'm bi, I'm vocally monotone and my default expression looks bored or angry, I dress up frequently just for fun. I'm like every red flag for those red pill types and yet I fit like zero of their assumptions. I've dated a lot but I was always someone who needed something to last before I was willing to get sexual, and most relationships never made it there. I don't do casual. I don't keep around orbiters or whatever. I have zero interest in selling my body. I'm the cook and I enjoy being the boss of the kitchen and in home responsibilities.

Its just stereotypes based on some folk's preconceptions and experiences. You'll find plenty who don't fit that mold.

avocadolanche3000 · 2025-11-07T03:48:19+00:00

Yeah, fun people tend to have fun.

The problem with red pill is that it frames these things as if they detract from her value as a person.

I seek a tatted up, pierced, hot cool girl who likes to get out to concerts and shows, who’s down to smoke and drink recreationally and dabble in Molly and mushrooms when the occasion calls for it.

A woman who never kissed a frog, who never got a tattoo, who doesn’t like going out on the town, who doesn’t ever drink to excess and who’s only personality trait is “pure” sounds boring as fuck to me. It’s better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.

Superannuated_punk · 2025-11-07T00:20:05+00:00

Given my interests, I know lots of women like that. Most are 35+, so that may not be the group you’re talking about

It varies.

I know a couple who are cool chicks, but have a long list of ex-boyfriends and - were I single and they were interested in me - I would stay well clear of because their personal lives are a bin fire.

I know one who’s been with her equally heavily tattooed and pierced husband since high school. They are in a crust-punk band together and have three very nice grown-up kids. They are obviously still head-over-heels in love with each other and their family is incredibly close, supportive and loving. Absolute couple goals.

My point is, while tatts, piercings and a casual attitude towards a few drinks can indicate an equally cavalier attitude towards your sex life, it’s not a rule.

If you want a demure, sober, sexually inexperienced lady, she’s probably not going to look that way; but it’s not completely impossible.

I think a better question is what about tattooed chicks attracts you?

Kapoue · 2025-11-07T07:28:15+00:00

There's probably a correlation between someone that has tattoos and non-ear pearcings and having more past partners.

And I guess the traditional Muslims that don't drink would have a lower body count than non muslims.

If you want to find someone that doesn't drink or have tattoos, you'll eliminate 95% of people though.

Also, I fail to see how those things would be red flags. Fun people have more fun in general.

krackedy · 2025-11-06T23:49:15+00:00

Are you from a conservative non-western culture?

Almost everyone drinks alcohol occasionally in my country (Canada). It's normal and not a good or bad thing just neutral.

Tattoos are common enough that I don't see it as a red flag either.

My wife has tattoos (a few small ones), one non-ear piercing, and drinks socially. She's also and introverted nerdy homebody. She's smart, educated, responsible, mature, kind, supportive, patient and an amazing mother. She does have more female friends than male ones so she doesn't fit that part.

She had 2 serious relationships before me and a couple hookups. I've had sex with more people than her.

She wasn't a virgin when we met, but it would be weird if she was a virgin in her mid 20s as a non-religious Canadian.

AngeAware · 2025-11-06T23:24:30+00:00

if a woman has tattoos, piercings, and drinks alcohol, and has lots of male friends but almost no female friends, these are red flags

I'm BP and all of those things were dealbreakers for me in men. No I don't think any of these things guarantee a dude is some kind of massive turbo slut in a vacuum or unworthy of being a romantic partner to literally anyone, they simply don't mesh well with the aesthetics or lifestyle I'm involved with myself. I have one piercing in each ear, no tattoos, and I don't drink alcohol outsids of extremely rare occasions. You're allowed to simply be incompatible with people without trying to demonize or degrade them in some way.

Lemon_gecko · 2025-11-07T04:46:00+00:00

I have never met those types of people so i don't know about them, but if it helps i'm not drinking/smoking/have tattoos and my body count is way higher than average. You'd never guess that by looking at me.

esdebah · 2025-11-07T07:50:21+00:00

Are you...talking about an actual person? None of the things you mentioned are huge red flags. Is she nice? Do you guys get along?

Artistic_Speech_1965 · 2025-11-06T23:34:24+00:00

Never been close to a woman like that. I might be wrong, but a woman like that might have more problematic things in her life than her body count imo

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Siukslinis_acc · 2025-11-07T04:58:41+00:00

Everyone has different things as "red flag". Red flag means a trait that you are strongly against and don't wamt to deal with it.

Like, for me, not being able to live without consuming fish or doimg stuff that requires you to touch fish (like working in a fish market) is a "red flag". The "red flag" is due to my severe fish allergy that can even be triggered exposure to the smell. So constantly being stressed and not being able to relax at home or with that person due to a chance of there being contaminants that would teigger my allergy is not worth it for me.

Colt_Master · 2025-11-07T07:09:53+00:00

https://rd.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12119-020-09729-1

"Women with tattoos reported greater willingness to engage in uncommitted sexual relations, as well as higher endorsement of egalitarianism and sensation-seeking, relative to non-tattooed women"

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22739949/

"A higher prevalence of tattooing and piercings was observed in groups with a history of psychiatric disorders, criminal records, alcohol, tobacco and illicit drug consumption and initiation of sexual activity"

Another fun fact: chokers https://www.proquest.com/openview/4037ba22d861d321bcd22a29675dde31/1?cbl=18750&diss=y&pq-origsite=gscholar

"Findings reveal that women who self-reported wearing chokers more frequently had higher sociosexual orientations than women who self-reported wearing chokers less frequently"

All these still depend on culture and place, you might live somewhere where these items are barely considered counterculture and many normie women wear them just because they like the aesthetic. Especially in those cases, it's a mediocre way to vet women.

EugeneCezanne · 2025-11-07T18:53:08+00:00

According to the red pill, if a woman has tattoos, piercings, and drinks alcohol, and has lots of male friends but almost no female friends, these are red flags.

This isn't totally off-base. All of these things are "alternative" to traditional femininity. So it stands to reason that women who embrace them are at least somewhat more likely, on average, to be alternative in other ways. Whether promiscuity is such a way is going to vary from person to person.

It also may be more or less predictive depending on your culture—by that I mean your country, but also your local culture within that country. Take the US for example. In Brooklyn, those characteristics might mean nothing, just a normal person being pretty normal for their aesthetic environment. In a small, Christian conservative town, those same characteristic might suggest open rebellion against all traditional values.

Have you ever met a woman around you who has these characteristics but is a virgin or has little sexual experience,

Yes, quite a few. Anyone who drinks a lot, has tattoos, and generally runs in alt crowds has met quite a few non-promiscuous women like that. That's the benefit of a large sample size.

But if that's not your scene at all, you're probably not going to encounter all that many, at least that you'll get to know well enough to answer the question on your mind.

One thing about the women I've known who fit that description: they all complain that everyone, even within their scene, assumes they must be sleeping around. The stereotype is really that pervasive.

I'm questioning something I learned from the red pill. It's about red flags.

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