TRP needs to be propagated. I have lost my third friend to suicide.

Dev_on · 2015-03-05T14:06:35+00:00

I serve too... Honestly this needs to be brought up more. The amount of dangerous advice given last week on the thread about the guy crying in his office is why these guys don't have anyone to turn to so they can deal with their problems...

It's too bad the lie about the wife being the one you can share with is causing harm like this....

Mental health isn't weakness, it's serious...

swimcris11 · 2015-03-05T14:16:49+00:00

Good post. If you're having mental health issues talk to your dad, talk to your guy friends, talk to a male bartender, but for the love of god don't talk to a woman.

SpaceCrunch · 2015-03-05T14:47:47+00:00

I always hear about military men being cheated on by their wives while they are on tour. It is the most common wife-cheating story I hear in fact. I can't imagine coming home from war to that.

And to you /u/happy501 it is good that you have some outside perspective on this phenomenon. Please don't follow your friends.

The depression issue on TRP is usually answered with "Workout, read books, fuck chicks." I think that is generally good advice for young men who are just trying to grow up. But, in the case of PTSD, there has to be other methods.

Perhaps some of the veterans and current military members of TRP could start a veteran's TRP reddit, or write an article. You are definitely on to something here with male to male support.

favours_of_the_moon · 2015-03-05T14:14:16+00:00

When I heard about this latest suicide I had quickly assumed this suicide to be another PTSD statistic as we are all veterans. Not long after I was reading the red pill and I had the most painful and powerful thought I have had in years. The common denominator with them was not the conflict rather they ALL relied on their partners to help them through their problems!!! My wonderful friends who were always described as gentlemen by the women at their funerals.

This is why there needs to be more "male space." Fraternal organizations, safe space for men to speak frankly with one another, share how they feel and be real.

Cyralea · 2015-03-05T14:47:31+00:00

All the more reason why men need male-only spaces. No woman will ever truly appreciate the male struggle. No woman is capable of maintaining respect for a man who openly demonstrates vulnerability.

I'm really sorry to hear about your friend, OP. While I don't advocate spreading TRP, if you care about your friends you ought to be willing to listen to their struggles, because no one else will.

vengefully_yours · 2015-03-05T16:31:35+00:00

I'm a vet, have PTSD, and just like I rarely talk to non veterans about my experiences, I don't talk to women about the horrible shit I'd like to forget. They have no concept of it, they can't comprehend it, they have nothing to offer you as far as fixing it.

Girls can't help us with our problems, what they can do is offer some comfort and support. Some do, most won't. She can be there for you, but they usually chose not to be.

You don't share with her, you don't let your emotions show around her, but she can support you. She isn't your mom, you don't fuck your mom. She supports you very differently than your mom did. Your girl is supposed to be there, take care of shit so you don't have to, not the big items but the mundane home bullshit and handle it.

The captain decides where the ship goes, how fast, and makes decisions about the safety of the ship, cargo, and crew. The first mate sees to it that the ship runs smoothly and handles the day to day operations inside the ship. The captain is responsible for everything outside as well as inside the ship. The captain doesn't ask the first mate or crew member which way to turn to avoid an obstacl, he decides and hopes he chooses correctly. If he isn't confident or competent, the crew won't follow him.

Other captains are who he talks to for advice and knowledge. What the fuck does a bar maid know about the responsibilities he has? What the fuck does a blacksmith know about it?

We veterans are in it together. Our governments don't really care, wives/girlfriends can't help fix it, they only smooth the waves a little. Most shrinks have no clue how to help war veterans, but they sure as fuck know how to counsel women on how to get the most in a divorce.

3dollarsfiftycents · 2015-03-05T14:58:23+00:00

A girl used to cry on my shoulder

The one time I ever showed her any sort of emotion or weakness I was nothing but a creep to her after

IllimitableMan · 2015-03-05T14:17:20+00:00

God rest their souls. R.I.P

iluminatiNYC · 2015-03-05T13:58:29+00:00

FWIW, based on the hints you're dropped, you're an Aussie, right? Can I say the mental health infrastructure in your country has...challenges to be polite. And by challenges, I mean "complete and absolutely fuckshit".

Still, I do think that these vets could use anything to take away the pain. Red Pill, Blue Pill, Plaid Pill, these men put themselves out for the ultimate sacrifice and deserve our respect. That these men are ignored like that is definitely fuel for the meta-theory around here. My hope is that you use this tragedy to help your fellow men.

NeoreactionSafe · 2015-03-05T14:42:20+00:00

My cousin committed suicide.

It was 100% because of his overbearing mother and henpecked Beta father.

My Alpha father actually wouldn't let us see our cousins because he was afraid the Feminist style relationship might rub off on our family.

The Misandry Bubble will pop because we are seeing too many sad cases of misery because of progressive thinking. (the denial of reality and embracing of equality fantasies)

Red Pill can't "fix" anything, but at least it let's us step out of the way of danger.

Feminism is like a fire in the forest... it kills most everything as it sweeps through, but eventually the fire runs out of fuel and stops. The best we can hope for is to dodge the flames, but we all feel the heat.

Russia and China show us examples where Marxist Feminism once existed, but are now burned out and gone. (so thankfully it does end)

nerdydesi · 2015-03-05T23:19:28+00:00

Three friends to suicide alone? You are a very strong person to endure all this. God bless you sir.

Philhelm · 2015-03-05T17:52:54+00:00

I have a theory about this. When I returned from Iraq in 2004, most of the guys from my clique got married within the year to women that they knew back home but were preparing to start dating upon our return to the U.S. I had a new woman waiting for me but I didn't get married (despite having a huge case of oneitis), and I was puzzled why so many of them were so quick to get married.

I think it is a psychological side-effect of having been a soldier on deployment. With one's life and future left to the winds of chance based upon all of the potential future deployments, as well as that strange feeling of returning home after being gone for so long, I believe they needed some sort of permanent foundation in their life. Sure, their lives would be placed on hold during deployments, but they would have the comfort of knowing that their wives/children were there as the constant in their lives. Therefore, they made the mistake of depending too much on another person. I don't think it was so much beta/blue pill thinking as it was a psychological side-effect of the lifestyle.

let_terror_reign · 2015-03-05T20:32:11+00:00

RIP. Sorry for you loss, OP.
The way I introduce friends to TRP is asking them if they're truly happy with life or asking them what they thought about fight club. Don't use any terminology.

happy501 · 2015-03-05T21:34:32+00:00

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Mysogyny · 2015-03-05T16:17:31+00:00

I had a friend who took his life because of depression. I think that part of his depression was because he didn't feel a connection to the people around him, specifically to any one woman.

He was always nice and did nice things for the girls that came near him. It didn't ever once help him to find someone who wanted to be with him. It's possible that if he had swallowed the red pill (and gotten through the anger phase) that things would have worked out differently.

Ovadox · 2015-03-05T17:39:44+00:00

I lost one of my best friends to suicide a year ago. He had other problems besides a bluepill mindset, but the pain he suffered as a result of thinking that way (lost his first wife after a work accident, second wife was just a beast) must have contributed. I'm so sorry for your loss.

SillySparklyGirl · 2015-03-05T18:12:28+00:00

Female here. Long time lurker. First and foremost, my deepest condolences for the losses of your friends. As a drug addict in recovery, I've been to too many funerals. I hope they are at peace, finally.

My SO is working full time and studying for his PhD in psychology. His life is hectic, and stressful. I try, as I cannot help him with his studies, to do things to lighten his load otherwise. Cooking, cleaning, laundry, anything that allows him to just relax for a bit. I want to be able to fully support and stand by him in any situation where he needs someone. So, how, as a woman, can I best support him? I have no doubt that there is a breakdown between men and women here. How do I better it?

Workchoices · 2015-03-06T02:58:33+00:00

A few years back domestic violence was all in the news and I said it was hardly our countries biggest problem. I had a feminist scream in my face that every week a woman is killes by her husband (these stats are specific for my country only, but the ratio is similar in every western country). I told her that whilst thats true, every 2 weeks a man is killed by his wife and a child by their mother but nobody cares about that. She told me domestic violence was primarily a female problem as they make up the majority of the victims. I told her that every week 40 men and 11 women take their own lives and that if suicidal men got the same level of support as women maybe the male suicide rate would drop to to only 11 men a week taking their own lives.

I think I did reach her a bit there. She was talking about domestic violence as if it was an epidemic and our generations greatest challenge, but even if you only care about women, 11x as many die from suicide.

Rollo-Tomassi · 2015-03-06T17:12:32+00:00

God, I hate reading stories like this:

http://therationalmale.com/2012/10/22/casualties/

If you ever wonder why I bother writing what I do, THIS is why I bother.

2015-03-05T15:56:28+00:00

Let me guess, at the funeral all she cared about was how is she going to pay for everything and get a real job herself, and she's the real victim here.

trpSysAdmin · 2015-03-05T17:01:50+00:00

Wow. I'm sorry to hear that. This reminds me of a friend I lost because TRP knowledge was not known.

Back in HS I had a friend from a different school who took his own life. All because he wanted to be the boyfriend of a certain girl. She was fugly as hell, but he wanted so bad to be her BF.

He even did things right; lost weight, wore better clothes, improved himself, but did not have trp principals to guide him to change his way of thinking about her. The dude wasn't bad looking either (no homo), he just wanted that one girl. That girl USED him to the max: he paid for expensive dinners, bought her clothes, took her to places, did everything a BB would do.

One day he finally just asked her to be his GF or they were going to stop being "friends." She said no and basically told him he was a POS that would never get a GF. That same night, he got really drunk and took his own life. He even wrote letters to all his close friends and even to the girl he cared so much about. That bitch had the nerve, knowing well what she caused, to show up to the funeral.

OP, your post hit me in the feels, sorry for you loss.

thereddespair · 2015-03-05T16:14:05+00:00

I am sorry to hear happy501.

I truly believe veterans deserve a lot more support and better - more appropriate medical/psychological assistance than what they do right now. In my state alone it's coming into light how vets have been dying off due to purposedly delayed medical aid.

monsieurhire2 · 2015-03-05T16:56:17+00:00

Why did your friends kill themselves? Did they leave notes?

tatertotmonkey · 2015-03-05T19:28:59+00:00

My condolences on your loss.

LadyLumen · 2015-03-05T20:21:02+00:00

I have lost three men in my family to suicide, but I don't know if TRP factors are the reason why.

My uncle who killed himself had a very attractive girlfriend who looked as young as her daughter. He was well loved by his girlfriend and his family.

But I think he had done some bad things in his life that he wasn't proud of. I think he also felt like there was no one he could reach out to and share his feelings with. So as soon as his son left for college, he killed himself.

I think the reason why the male suicide rate is 4X the female rate is because we live in a society where men are told that they aren't allowed to have emotions, they are told to hide their feelings, that the only legitimate male emotion is anger, and as a result they self destruct.

Is there really any TRP wisdom to be had in this situation? If anything, it seems that TRP encourages men to be stoic and suppress their emotions...if anything...to me that would seem to cause more suicides, not less.

But I would definitely appreciate other opinions.

ShekelBanker · 2015-03-05T14:28:53+00:00

That's sad to hear, but recently to some extent I did reach some phases where, projecting long-term, I can quite reliably say that with the Red Pill I'm compromised too. Yes, it is good to always be careful, but I want to have a family; problem is that there are so many undateable women, and so much less marriage material. Even one woman who I knew for a few years and is a confirmed Catholic with no CC record, not even had ever guy friends (verified myself, highly unlikely to be able to hide such data) shows some red flags like how casual body contact is "violating" her, or it's me going crazy.

foldpak111 · 2015-03-05T15:39:46+00:00

Social conditioning committed by our society is doing this, I've tried to help people. Really, I have, but due to social conditioning, if you theorize anything other than beta bullshit, you get viciously shut out. PEOPLE DON'T WANT HELP. Now I just smirk in amused mastery and continue building my empire. If I see a guy that really wants it, someone who begins to see what we saw, that things don't add up, i'll gladly help. Free to all (19.95 not included).

Mmagikarp · 2015-03-05T15:51:57+00:00

You are right, and I know the rules are like fight club. But what if you REALLY need to save this person? What would be a good way to get them to swallow TRP, I know this shouldn't be done, I know people wont change unless they want to.

foomfoomfoom · 2015-03-05T15:40:15+00:00

Now that you mention it, I do like the idea of promoting TRP to prevent male suicide. I had an acquaintance kill himself when his gf cheated on him. Perhaps TRP could have kept him around.

kevkos · 2015-03-05T18:16:45+00:00

War is fucking bullshit. That's all I have to say about this.

paraminotengo · 2015-03-06T00:29:57+00:00

I have actually spent some time in /r/SuicideWatch trying to prevent that people in the anger phase kill themselves, because I don't think that the bluepillers that frequent that sub are able to grasp the situation.

And to be honest, I think that us, collectively, should do something positive about that sub and those of us that end up there.

CapnDancyPants · 2015-03-05T21:51:18+00:00

Minister? Royal? Sure you don't mean province, not state?

Also trp needs to be a secret as long as possible or else it'd just be these three killing each other for each others wives in mating duels

ECoast_Man · 2015-03-05T22:56:54+00:00

That's tough man, I had a near miss recently with a friend (thankfully he pulled through). It's a fucking hugely tough realization that we're all alone.

Good luck OP.

flexiblehold · 2015-03-06T03:21:35+00:00

I'm not sure TRP would help suicidal men. Suicide was around long before feminism, and is prevalent in all sorts of cultures. I do think TRP helps explain suicide though, in that men are not spared sympathy or support for their weakness, by other men and especially not from women, and that's nature's imperative. Only a man can save himself from himself.

dave_is_not_here · 2015-03-07T17:55:00+00:00

Feminism kills. I knew it. Also, ty for your service.

squirtmasterd · 2015-03-05T18:36:39+00:00

I am sorry to hear this, RIP.

I don't know how to propagate this to my male friends without coming across as bitter or woman hating, when sadly it is just factual.

christianfd · 2015-03-05T15:40:37+00:00

What is your veiwpoint om men sharing their feelings together? As far as i can tell you're opposed to men sharing their feelings with women.

I'd like to hear your thoughts om this.

slimcoat · 2015-03-06T00:46:12+00:00

Terribly sorry to hear it, OP. I lost a veteran friend to suicide a few years back, too, and upon reflection I can't help but wonder if his girlfriend -- a raging, shrieking, always-on-the-cusp-of-cheating harpy -- played a big role in it. I can't imagine that he came home after serving in Afghanistan and felt welcomed or appreciated.

I did my best to help him, but at the time I was in the process of discovering truths about the world and had only just begun tasting the red pill. If I had known then what I know now, I may have been able to help him.

Failing to remain in contact with him after he moved away is one of the few things I truly regret.

2015-03-06T01:11:41+00:00

There had never been a time when women have outright supported men. Ever.

Women have always only looked out for themselves. And they expect men to clean up their mess. Learn to control women.

Be strong.

halbo · 2015-03-05T21:39:30+00:00

I agree. In Turkey, an engineer killed himself. Reason you ask? He met a girl online but never met her face to face. He falls in love with her and proposes to her online via text. The girl says "let's just be friends" or something along those lines and the guy kills himself. This guy was working at a big company ( kinda related with the government). This guy would help our society so much but he's dead now. Normally, these deaths should concern anyone. However, if society's good is in danger because of this lack of knowledge, everyone deserves to know what the world is like and how it works.

yummyluckycharms · 2015-03-06T00:30:07+00:00

I'm sorry for your loss.

I think there should be a TRP sub for people who are older than 30, as these people face different challenges than guys still in university. Divorce, gaming younger women when you are older, and yes suicide, etc are all issues that these guys face

FallenHighSchoolJock · 2015-03-06T06:31:15+00:00

Unfortunately it's probably going to take more incel shooting sprees before people start to get the picture. What a world we live in.

sealteamaus · 2015-03-06T06:38:45+00:00

it is bullshit in australia. we have guys on national television making their solemn vow to never hurt a woman, as if we all have to prove we are in the minority of men who dont beat on women. this is why they dont respect us, because in the aggregate, on the whole we are all chumps. the fraction of a percentage of alpha spirited men are a drop in the ocean of a tsunami of pussy pedestalling. if they knew they couldnt fuck with any of us it would be a different world. men get sucked in to this shit because they want to get laid, it is these do-gooder order followers who have never had a moment of critical thinking that are marching us down the road to hell, paved with their blue pill intentions.

DudeZoltan · 2015-03-06T00:18:40+00:00

Sorry for your loss, OP. It's a disgrace how some socities treat their veterans.

If you're going to introduce your friends to TRP, don't use the terminology our show them subreddit immidiately. The pill is very hard to swallow and someone who's been exposed to an entirely blue-pilled society for their entire lives will consider this to be a crazy cult, even if we're just telling the truth.

Next time they're talking to you about their problems, slowly introduce them to your opinion. Back those opinions up with some truths. Tell them to look up things like "hypergamy" (just an example) etc.

dickinlips · 2015-03-05T14:19:29+00:00

How did your 3 friends commit suicide?

Downvoted for a simple question.

Title	TRP needs to be propagated. I have lost my third friend to suicide.
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