It’s becoming exhausting to see men that pretend women not wanting to sleep with a man she barely knows is some kind of moral failure. A woman not having sex early does not automatically mean she isn’t attracted to him, she’s using him for resources, nor she’s “settling” for a beta male.
I’m American, so I’m referencing American data here. Polling from YouGov and Pew consistently shows that most Americans do not think sex within the first few weeks of dating is necessary. Many people believe waiting a couple of months is perfectly reasonable.
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Desire is an internal state. Sex is a decision that involves comfort, safety, trust, and personal standards. You can want someone and still decide “not yet.” Those are not contradictory. Men can say “I’m looking for a woman willing to have sex by date three,” it would be far more honest, and far less dickish, than looking down at women who dont fit that criteria.
Also, if you are not upfront about your priorities and dealbreakers, you do not get to complain about “wasted time” and feeling used. You wasted your own time. And this is the core of the problem with refusing to be honest:
- Man chose not to disclose a requirement.
- Man enforced it silently.
- And when it wasn’t met, man reframes it as her wrongdoing.
She didn’t waste any man’s time. The guy wasted his own time.
This is also why complaints like “she would’ve slept with other guys immediately but made me wait” aren’t legitimate. If you were upfront about your expectations, she could’ve opted out immediately. No waiting. No “time wasted.” You could’ve both moved on to more compatible people.
Finally, to address the claim: “immediate physical or sexual contact proves genuine desire”. Why would desire need proof? Why would a woman date a guy she’s not attracted to?
If a guy is genuinely worried about being used for money, there are easy solutions: suggest low-cost or free dates. Walk in a park. Walk on the beach. Coffee. Ice cream. Snacks. If spending money is optional, then so is the narrative that sex is required as reassurance.
Compatibility mismatches are not moral failures.
If early sex is important to you, own it. Date women who move at that pace. But stop framing women who don’t as dishonest, exploitative, or morally inferior, especially when you’re quiet about your true intent.
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