Virginity is a choice

Critical-Past847 · 2022-04-04T20:39:29+00:00

It's impossible to have no women be interested in you!

The problem with your post is that it's working with a faulty assumption

jayval90 · 2022-04-04T20:33:23+00:00

Okay, I think a 100% of men have had at least one female be interested in them even if they weren't all that interested in her.

You're operating under the premise that people have like a list of possible soulmates that are attracted to them no matter what. In reality it's not like that at all. It's very easy for a guy to be a loner and barely get any female attention, much less positive, much less actually someone interested in him enough to want to go all the way. There's a dynamic aspect of this that sets a threshold of accomplishment before you even get up to the plate to start batting. A fair portion of guys never get there.

tired_hillbilly · 2022-04-04T22:59:15+00:00

So fucking stupid.

1) I've never had a girl interested in me. Not a single one. How exactly am I choosing this?

2) Lets say some girl was miraculously interested in me. I'll fuck it up somehow; I probably won't even notice unless she explicitly tells me. How is that my choice?

OhDestinyAltMine · 2022-04-04T20:29:46+00:00

“Not being homeless is a choice” “not being successful is a choice” “not being [some other non sexual thing] is a choice”

^ all true in some way but also really stupid if someone is trying to explain why a clever orphan ended up homeless and a dumb failson didn’t.

I think there are way better ways of getting around self destructive blackpill fatalism than the equivalent of what some douchebag in a tacky car just says offhand about wealth when pressed.

jah-roole · 2022-04-04T21:03:44+00:00

Oh goodness what a stupid statement. No, sometimes virginity isn’t a choice. How about the guy who can’t get it up or the guy who was born without a copulation tool? What you are trying to say has 100s of counter examples and therefore your statement is false.

Nago31 · 2022-04-04T22:06:57+00:00

In the beginning, you say that every person has a girl that’s interested in them, even if they are not interested back. That isn’t strictly true.

At the end, you said it’s about having leadership skills to get sex. Not everyone possesses those skills.

Two places your argument collapsed.

Smitten_Squire · 2022-04-05T01:41:08+00:00

The ole "some other girl will like you, im sureeee"

wtknight · 2022-04-04T21:00:30+00:00

There are plenty of men who have no women interested in them at all. I didn’t have any interested in me until I was 20, which is coincidentally the same age that I lost my virginity. I’m sure even less attractive men women than me were even older before they had any woman be interested in them, and some men have never had any be interested.

Philip8000 · 2022-04-04T21:07:54+00:00

Just like being poor is a choice, or being depressed is a choice. Interest doesn't necessarily correlate to having sex. There may be more to life than sex, but that doesn't equal any woman showing interest.

TrainSpottingNYC · 2022-04-04T20:26:40+00:00

Bit reductive, don't you think? Just because one friend may have been interested in you doesn't mean you are competent enough to actually sleep with you. Being incompetent isn't really a choice. Particularly if you're still young, women change their minds very quickly. She may be interested one week and if you drag your feet for just a few days too long you miss your chance.

EugeneCezanne · 2022-04-04T21:15:58+00:00

A) Less than 100% of men have had a female friend.

B) Even if a female friend is interested, and they are aware enough to perceive it, saying 'let's have sex now" probably won't get it done. Not every man knows how to get from interest to sex—lack of knowledge is form of inability.

C) Even if they all got laid exactly once by someone they didn't like, they would just complain about that instead of virginity. So the real problem isn't solved.

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Iron-Giant1999 · 2022-04-05T00:07:45+00:00

OP talking out of his ass again

JohnDoe_Rip · 2022-04-04T20:21:45+00:00

If you wanna be technical about it then yea an incel or a virgin guy can go get pussy from the 300 pound autistic girl. But I would argue if a guy has to compromise his standards and go that low to lose his virginity is it even worth it? At that point he might as well get a hooker which most incels refuse to do anyways.

ogsimpology · 2022-04-04T21:21:28+00:00

Sorry, bad take. I was 100% a loveless virgin in highschool. No woman wanted me, I can guarantee you that. No signs, no good dates, no nothing.

Hungry-Nebula · 2022-04-05T02:11:45+00:00

I think a 100% of men have had at least one female be interested in them even if they weren't all that interested in her.

Sure, but in a "I never realised she was interested in me until 10 years down the line" way.

CocoBabeNYC · 2022-04-04T20:45:49+00:00

So all the molested kids had a choice?

OldSimpsonsisbetter · 2022-04-04T22:27:33+00:00

Okay, I think a 100% of men have had at least one female be interested in them even if they weren't all that interested in her.

Wrong. There are plenty of men who have had zero females interested in them.

Men aren't women. They don't just casually have 20 dudes interested in dating them like women do. You are trying to project the female dating experience onto men. A bottom 20% male could be lucky to even have 1 woman interested in him his entire life.

2022-04-04T22:16:40+00:00

Not sure I would have waited so long, but ok I guess

c4993 · 2022-04-04T22:53:49+00:00

I think you and a lot of the people that hate on redpillers & incels keep either pivoting (with the “don’t owe you”, “you’re fat and lazy”, & “lower your standards” deflections) or simply missing entirely the core of the male virginity argument for many regular people out there which is that it’s more than just about getting sex. They want it to mean something with someone that feels the same way about them (when they’re fully being themselves) that they feel about that person as well. Yeah just sex is a choice (especially when hookers exist), but when it comes to trying to get something real it’s almost never a choice for anybody, least of all rp’s and incels (the ones that aren’t part of the radical stereotype, that is).

Kay_Lore · 2022-04-04T21:35:38+00:00

Everyone is born a virgin, it’s the default state of being. Deciding to change that is the choice, not the virginity itself.

Lateralanouncer · 2022-04-04T21:12:06+00:00

Your post lacks any rational logic. For a man to lose his virginity, a woman needs to give him her.... Women are the gatekeepers of sex. so ultimately the choice is hers. A male virgin is not valued in any way as he is not the gatekeepers of sex. He has no womb of value and is not valued by what cost (commitment, etc). it is given away for.

SocietalEngineering · 2022-04-04T22:52:48+00:00

You clearly do not understand what mental illness is and how many people it actually effects.

Euphemia006 · 2022-04-04T21:19:33+00:00

I believe men must stop to complain about women. Live has always been unfair toward men and will always be. Better to accept it. Plus no woman owes nothing to a man. A woman here said that men can complain all they want but as long as what they are facing do not impact women on any way, while should women change something for men? She was right. Fight to get what you want or just forget about, but do not complain. That is life for a man.

Jahjawesom3 · 2022-04-04T21:37:43+00:00

Idk, I mean I can see how some incels are virgins, not by choice but due to their circumstances. I've had and have women attracted to me but can see how hard it is for those men in unfortunate circumstances. But then again maybe it could be just a modern thing(probably due to social media), as I had more sex in my adolescence more then sex in general in my modern teenage years(so far).

backcourtjester · 2022-04-04T20:27:36+00:00

Incels should just fuck each other. Problem solved

DaughterOfSol · 2022-04-04T21:42:25+00:00

I disagree. I think there are true incels out there but I think they exist because they have a very very deep psychological problems that are obvious to everyone around them even to what they perceive as the most “unattractive undateable” people so they literally cannot get laid. And really if it’s that bad they shouldn’t be getting laid they should be looking inward and finding out what exactly it is that they are doing that makes them so unappealing to others. They usually don’t see it as a them problem though. And I think they probably move on to become toxic abusive partners. Or they move to a cottage in the woods and become wizards. Which ever comes first I guess. 😂

In rare cases they might just live around a lot of toxic people. But I think that is a rare exception to the rule. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Karaokoki · 2022-04-04T20:44:05+00:00

Virginity is a construct. Celibacy is a choice.

bottomLobster · 2022-04-04T20:35:58+00:00

This is an argumentation fail. It's like saying being raped is a choice. I understand though, that from most women perspective, it is just not comprehensive as to why there are all the male virgins complains.

activatebarrier · 2022-04-04T21:58:10+00:00

Lost my virginity on tinder. Literally asked the girl for sex and within 2 hours I was at her place smashing her. I was 25 and she was 20

dietwindows · 2022-04-04T23:41:17+00:00

Lots of women hit on me in high school and college, I wasn't socially aware enough to identify it or act on it. In other words, I was too inept.

More or less the same today. Plenty of women find me cute, but that does fuck all for me because my social skills are nil.

UncleRuckus_III · 2022-04-04T22:56:33+00:00

You're right. Most people aren't hideous and even if you are, I've seen hideous people get in successful relationships. Everyone knows who "that guy" is, just don't be "that guy". I know it's harder for some people than others but damn.

A lot of people in this sub are acting like they are hopeless, but one reason why you are probably hopeless is that you act that way. Y'all need to go outside and stop acting like little b****** on the internet.

If you try to enjoy your life instead of griping about women all the time you'll see it's not really that hard to get a woman. The hardest thing is finding the right woman.

Just treat her like an old friend and y'all are just connecting. Don't ask too many questions and pause to think before you speak. Also, speak on your exhale not your inhale. (If you stutter, or get nervous this helps.)

Also, some girls ain't for you and that's ok. Y'all are striking out because y'all are forcing it. If you never would have talked to her if she was a man then you probably won't get along with her, and there's no point in trying to force conversations.

If all you want is sex, then wtf are you guys talking about. A high hit to miss ratio is expected. Just keep it pushing by.

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WAGMIBFAA · 2022-04-04T22:52:39+00:00

I see your point, however I don’t think that people who complain about not losing their virginity are in the scenario you described. It’s people who cannot get that attention that yearn for it the most.

RandomWordAnon2 · 2022-04-05T07:41:30+00:00

Virginity as a male is definitely a choice cuz you can always just fuck a hooker. Answered your question?

Netheral · 2022-04-05T12:21:22+00:00

It's a question of having the leadership skills to lead a woman to have sex with you

And if that man is willing to fuck anything that moves but lacks this leadership skill?

You've debunked your own post before you even pressed enter.

Feroc · 2022-04-05T21:21:05+00:00

If you balk at the idea of sleeping with a woman you may not be all that interested in, you have no right to complain about being a virgin. It's your choice. Do you disagree?

I disagree that that this is true for any given point of time. If we were talking about older men, then we might get a number that's close to that 100%. A statistic I found said that 0.7% of 45 year old men in Germany are virgins, so there aren't really a lot of people left anyway.

The younger we get the more virgins we will find. If I e.g. look at my past self when I was 16, then your theory is wrong, there was no one sexually interested in me.

Though of course you forgot one option: sex workers. At least with 18+ I always would have had that option.

Title	Virginity is a choice
Author	CocoBabeNYC
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Comments	201
Date	April 4, 2022 8:13 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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