"#MeToo is over if we don’t listen to ‘imperfect victims’ like Amber Heard"; Gross article denies Men can be victims of abuse & encourages people to never believe Men. Individuals such as this are why so many Men feel uncomfortable about opening up or seeking support.

PandaFoo1 · 2022-05-23T06:52:51+00:00

'imperfect victim' is a funny way to write 'abuser'.

Acrobatic_Sport_7664 · 2022-05-23T07:55:35+00:00

It's 'The Guardian' Feminist central where 'comments restricted, but facts are disposable'. What else would you expect?

PandaFoo1 · 2022-05-23T07:03:06+00:00

If anything it’s people excusing proven abusers like Heard that’s killing #MeToo

dw87190 · 2022-05-23T07:51:46+00:00

Women who lie are the reason women who are the telling the truth are treated like liars. Men don't deserve any blame for that

Vanriel · 2022-05-23T07:22:56+00:00

I find it hysterical that they try to add in to the mix "lower class men"

Uhh no it doesn't help them. It usually ends up with them being the one who gets screwed over if they are involved in anything like that.

Maxwell1138 · 2022-05-23T07:00:24+00:00

I guess MeToo is over then.

Gawd I really wish it was...

paracog · 2022-05-23T07:56:16+00:00

It's not like she isn't getting a chance to say her piece. Nobody is silencing her. In fact that's her liability. They are listening to her.

criminalbutter69 · 2022-05-23T12:22:28+00:00

Ahhh its from britains shittiest news paper, the gaurdian. No surprise there

AbysmalDescent · 2022-05-23T15:38:51+00:00

I am so tired of this feminist argument that basically goes "if a system can't be abused by women, then it is a bad system because women won't use it and it is infinitely worse for a woman to be a victim than it is for a man". It is so grossly sexist and destructive.

Whitified · 2022-05-23T08:46:04+00:00

This is great. Feminists are throwing Amber Heard under the bus now to save #MeToo

If feminists stand with Amber then the hypocrisy of #MeToo becomes obvious, and the movement will be well and truly over. Pray they are this stupid.

We should encourage this!

Jerezmo · 2022-05-23T15:16:21+00:00

If admitting to being physically violent on tapes, mocking and gaslighting their victim in tapes, publicly humiliating their victim, and having a history of violence makes a woman an “imperfect victim” then what in the world does it take for a woman to qualify as abusive?

zeerust2000 · 2022-05-23T07:15:46+00:00

And I thought the art of the euphemism had reached its' full potential. Clearly I was wrong.

DemsSniffChildren · 2022-05-23T08:06:11+00:00

Or, you know, we could still prosecute serious cases while maintaining due process, and god forbid showing some restraint and journalistic integrity in the public sphere. But that doesn't get as many clicks I guess.

Lying harms and destroys the lives of men. Lying also harms credible and legitimate victims. Amber Heard lying shows that men are not guilty out of the gate, and it still does not have to be to the detriment of other women.

Nuance media, nuance.

dus_hynt · 2022-05-23T15:55:01+00:00

Fuckers just can't digest the fact that JOHNNY is the only victim

RoubandoMerdina · 2022-05-23T09:24:37+00:00

Imperfect victim is shitting on the bed?

RabbitFromBrazil · 2022-05-23T09:52:11+00:00

That goes for all feminist males. Feminism hates you. If one day you are accused of something you didn't do, feminists will end your life before you try to open your mouth.

RandoCaljizzian69 · 2022-05-23T09:08:24+00:00

Who knew that physically assaulting someone and then declaring no one is going to believe you because you're a man makes you the victim?

In Soviet Russia, victim beats you

TitanicPat · 2022-05-23T09:30:43+00:00

I'm reminded of seeing Dara O Briain live.

He was talking about Catholicism and how nobody could ever leave the church. If you publicly renounced your faith and joined a cult in the woods, you wouldn't be seen as a "Non-Catholic" you would be seen as a "Bad Catholic"

And it seems that no matter how monstrous a woman may be, no matter how evil, abusive or manipulative she is, she doesn't stop being a "victim", she merely becomes an "imperfect-victim"

feelingnether · 2022-05-23T14:42:27+00:00

metoo was becoming a problem for this exact reason. Allegation have way to much power.

DavidByron2 · 2022-05-23T13:47:01+00:00

MeToo was over when cancellation had more to do with their politics than the evidence.

Tijuana_94 · 2022-05-23T11:08:09+00:00

Amber Heard and her propaganda-press are actively making it harder for women and men that are getting abused to come forward. Because of this case there will be victims not getting help somewhere in this world because people will not believe them just because they saw Amber acting like a pig in court and towards Johnny.

dernala123 · 2022-05-23T13:11:31+00:00

That's really funny coming from a extreme leftist woman who has worse bruising on her face on normal photo than Amber Heard has in all the thousands of pictures of her during the period she was 'allegedly' being abused.

JohnKimble111 · 2022-05-23T14:02:37+00:00

PLEASE USE AN ARCHIVE FOR MISANDRIST CONTENT

https://archive.ph/wip/qm073

VentusHermetis · 2022-05-23T07:47:13+00:00

archive link?

Im-Spreading-for-you · 2022-05-23T08:43:43+00:00

Yeah, #MeToo is over

DavidByron2 · 2022-05-23T13:13:58+00:00

A confession that #MeToo was about promoting female violent abusers.

FH-7497 · 2022-05-23T18:26:19+00:00

“After all, when a man is treated badly it lands with a double sense of burning injustice.”

Lm FUCKING ass off. Where!? When!? If you make bullshit claims like this in your article, then it’s very easy to hyperbolically argue against them.

This quote shows how out of touch the author actually is. Violence or trauma against women ROUTINELY garners more support than similar acts against men.

ruchitshah1 · 2022-05-23T10:40:15+00:00

why women don't criticise any women who are abusing men ?

omegaphallic · 2022-05-23T10:06:05+00:00

I never believed MeToo#

CawlinAlcarz · 2022-05-23T15:23:36+00:00

Heard basically took the metoo movement to the ends that rational people saw it had the potential to go to back when it started. Those people who warned of this potential were labeled as misogynist and were accused of histrionics and ironically, found themselves "metooed" as well.

This whole movement is burning down around them similar to how the BLM movement suffered when it was revealed that their leaders were collecting $BILLIONS in donations from fundraising and not actually using a single red cent of that money to help either George Floyd's family or any other struggling minorities, instead using that money to buy themselves mansions in white neighborhoods.

The "Metooers" will go to even greater lengths than this article to protect the movement. Stay tuned...

vwatchrepair · 2022-05-23T16:52:55+00:00

Maybe instead of the boy who cried wolf, we need to start calling it the girl who cried wolf. 🤷🏻‍♂️

R67H · 2022-05-23T20:38:50+00:00

If your "movement" depends on misinformation for legitimacy, it's not a movement; it's a propaganda machine.

Striking_Biscotti889 · 2022-05-23T08:10:09+00:00

It’s like saying #communism is over if we all don’t start respecting imperfect leaders like pol pot.

Or #famine is over if we don’t start letting imperfect creatures like locust into our food stores.

PFfounder · 2022-05-23T08:39:00+00:00

It's time for #Don'tAssumeInnocence

Space_Exploring7_6 · 2022-05-23T11:56:33+00:00

This is scary....

a_posh_trophy · 2022-05-23T12:23:00+00:00

It just means that you stand a chance of getting away with it if you're a lying scumbag with no morals and only care about protection of image, with a complete disregard for everyone that you can and will hurt. Because fuck them, they're just collateral damage, right?

ruchitshah1 · 2022-05-23T15:19:38+00:00

Actually the better way for men is men empowerment not crying for our rights . Because there is no limit to how good the condition of men can be.

2022-05-23T16:16:12+00:00

This womans opinion is trash. shes not even a true journalist. Just writes BS opinions.

ShelSilverstain · 2022-05-23T16:20:01+00:00

This is also an effort to quiet male victims

weepepsi74 · 2022-05-23T17:37:34+00:00

Oh men can't be victims ...so the years I was abused just to be told I don't exist...wow

ThrowawayGhostGuy1 · 2022-05-23T18:21:03+00:00

“Imperfect victim” is exactly what Johnny Depp is, yet these scumbags can’t bring themselves to admit that they bet the house on the actual abuser instead of the real victim. It’d be comical if it wasn’t so insidious and if it didn’t affect millions of innocent “imperfect” men who are abused just like JD.

Teddy_Swolesevelt · 2022-05-23T19:09:29+00:00

"Imperfect victim?" Is that like "mostly peaceful" protest the CNN guy was talking about with a building burning behind him?

Alexandruzatic · 2022-05-23T20:56:05+00:00

I fear that even if Depp win, a lot of n4zifemminists will try to do something very stupid and dangerous

like the assault of capitol hill

furchfur · 2022-05-23T21:09:18+00:00

The Guardian is one of the most feminist male hating publications in the world.

TextDependent6779 · 2022-05-23T21:34:03+00:00

Female accusers are still routinely treated as if they are lying, both by the public and the courts

here's why accusers like AH are victims.

huh

rjc2nd · 2022-05-23T22:53:29+00:00

The Guardian is on par with The Enquirer as far as credibility goes.

bonerland11 · 2022-05-24T05:39:53+00:00

MeToo was over when Joe Biden's accusers weren't listened to for one minute.

mangokushpacha · 2022-05-24T07:09:09+00:00

"After all, when a man is treated badly it lands with a double sense of burning injustice."

they live in parallel universes wth

ChadWolf98 · 2022-05-23T13:04:54+00:00

Amber Heard mens right activist icon.

Dealt and continues to deal a mortal blow to the MeToo movement (the false accusation/changed my mind on consent 30 years later part)

UtahStateAgnostics · 2022-05-23T13:39:31+00:00

It should be noted that the UK press seems to be more on Amber's side, probably stemming from the lawsuit against The Sun newspaper.

Pepperclue_55 · 2022-05-23T16:31:10+00:00

I love how we are Heards 'tormentors'.... The fucking drama, how DARE we question a woman. I am a woman, I have been assaulted and DV and resented those who off the cuff didnt believe me, but I have also met lying crazy ass women. Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

TheSpaceDuck · 2022-05-23T14:02:41+00:00

They perhaps forget that the project of #MeToo – the whole point – was to help imperfect victims. Those who were wearing the wrong thing, or were drunk, or were promiscuous, or loved their perpetrator

Did the author seriously compare being a domestic abuser to "wearing the wrong thing" or "being promiscuous"? This tells me that she's either an abuser herself or that her moral compass is bordering on sociopathy. Dismissing violence against a partner as something like a choice of attire is seriously messed up even by Guardian standards.

This article shows exactly what the problem with our culture is: women who abuse men are treated as "imperfect victims", not perpetrators (even though 70% of one-way domestic abuse is committed by women). This is exactly why men abused by women are more likely to be arrested by police than the aggressor.

babno · 2022-05-23T12:30:33+00:00

Please use an archive site to avoid giving them traffic btw.

2022-05-23T13:29:23+00:00

Looks like they’ve come back full circle

Believe all women! Well ok no just the ones who are credible, obviously Biden and his cronies didn’t do anything wrong Nvm believe all women!

noserotonyn · 2022-05-23T13:40:43+00:00

They want power only. They dont care about anything else.

tragedyfish · 2022-05-23T19:19:56+00:00

When something bad happens to a powerful man, it has not happened to a statistic. It has happened to a human soul.

The implication I get when I read this is: Men who are not powerful are soulless statistics.

Keronisin · 2022-05-23T19:46:23+00:00

In the end, everyone wants justice. We just see "Justice" as a different thing.

We see Justice as Karma being given to whoever perpetrated the whole thing.

They see Justice as Punishment being given to whoever's ancestors commit whatever in the past.

To fix this, we need an incredibly big voice to speak out against the sins of the father. I don't mean big voices like Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos. I mean BIIIG big voices along the lines of the U.S. Presidency.

OriginalSuch5746 · 2022-05-24T00:02:22+00:00

I wish the comments were turned on for that article so I could say, "Oh Martha Martha Martha...will you please SHUT THE FUCK UP?!"

What an evil one-sided bitch! She doesn't even care that Amber Heard is a pathological liar and deserves to be punished. She just doesn't want her to be punished because she's a woman and her selfish bitch ass doesn't want her bogus hate-filled MeToo movement to lose traction.

She just wants women to win no matter the cost and even if they are so obviously wrong.

She is the total definition of a BITCH and what is wrong with this country/world. 🤦

MomosDarkDays · 2022-05-24T03:03:02+00:00

This just proves #MeToo is just used to demonize men. It was never about empowering women, rather just saying men are always the aggressors and that’s that

Maximum_Emu_6748 · 2022-05-24T03:07:51+00:00

They've been doing this since the start of the trial. Read a piece about Depp destroying the Hollywood celebrity because of this. Yeah, sure, as if Hollywood celebrities didn't always have problems. Its disgusting how the media is refusing to acknowledge that women aren't always the victim and trying to blame it all on him.

dungeonmonkey69 · 2022-05-24T03:54:15+00:00

This article is pure comedy. The honeymoon is over ladies. No one's buying the hustle anymore. Even other women

May097 · 2022-05-24T06:03:14+00:00

If your movement calls for dismantling the most necessary elements of a stable and fare judicial system (presumption of innocence and burden of proof).

Then maybe your movement deserves to be over.

StockingHat · 2022-06-18T20:32:26+00:00

Johnny Depp is a piece of shit.

savemeihatemyjob · 2022-05-23T12:45:19+00:00

This woman wants the authority of a man, responsibilities of a woman, and accountability of a child.

Most women will never ever ever take accountability for their actions, they literally believe everything bad is somebody else's fault, and that they themselves can do no harm. Even if you show videos with other ample evidence, they will still say he made me do it. This is why it's near impossible to respect women these days, and also why women adopt gas lighting techniques and play mental games to get what they want. If all men knew better, women would lose. But unfortunately that's not the case.

SkippyMcHugsLots · 2022-05-23T11:45:56+00:00

"The Witch trials will be over if we look at evidence and don't carry out the will of god"

OgreAllOver · 2022-05-23T14:19:31+00:00

I get the bias the individual that wrote the article has, but keeping said bias to pass a message will not help your cause. It makes it look rather silly with the hypocrisy.

reddideridoo · 2022-05-23T15:10:36+00:00

Amber Heard is a turd.

pyr0phelia · 2022-05-23T16:07:35+00:00

Well they’re not wrong. This has done more to reverse the damage of #metoo than any criminal court could have done.

denvercaniac · 2022-05-23T13:07:01+00:00

Throw the book at this scumbag.

TheStrouseShow · 2022-05-23T13:20:09+00:00

Completely agree that this is why men do not speak of their abuse; it’s minimized until it’s not valid. I had a friend tell me his childhood babysitter sexually abused him but begged me not to tell his brother because his brother loved that babysitter when they were kids. But what if his brother went through the same thing?! That type of fear is not ok to teach our boys and men.

I’m particularly bothered by the word victim showing up in any way to describe Amber Heard’s completely fabricated “experience”. It’s offensive to actual abuse victims (like Johnny). Throwing the word “imperfect” in front of it doesn’t make it better. Why is this person trying to encourage listening to people lying?

blaizken_420 · 2022-05-23T17:59:39+00:00

Evil rats.

Satellitedish710 · 2022-05-23T18:21:44+00:00

fuck stupid sinner cunts like her.

Mythandros · 2022-05-24T10:26:31+00:00

Metoo was a sham from the very beginning. Amber Turd is an abuser, not the victim.

NotMyOnlyAccount11 · 2022-05-23T16:28:23+00:00

Barf.

There are SO MANY false allegations.. the pound me too movement needs to STOP and any accusations need to be made in private and handled privately until the accused is found guilty, only THEN can it be public.

Mad_Hatter_92 · 2022-05-23T16:54:41+00:00

Ok, let’s end #metoo and create something better.

AdeptnessAble2151 · 2022-05-23T12:33:54+00:00

Most women I know will lie even if the truth sounds better .

baddingtonbearr · 2022-05-23T17:16:09+00:00

I don’t think you’ve read the article… it says that Heard is an abuser and “believe women, of course – just not this one”, and acknowledges that depp is a victim but also recognises that depp is also not completely innocent.

It literally talks about how the metoo movement is for men…

do any of y’all read the articles you post or do you just see a title and hope for the best

miroku000 · 2022-05-23T20:48:53+00:00

Where does the article deny that men can be victims?

gorgonrock · 2022-05-23T15:41:25+00:00

Metoo is not about females. It’s about closeted victims of abuse and harassment. #Metoo is about men. It’s about people like Johnny Depp.

woolyreasoning · 2022-05-23T13:28:04+00:00

no nuance takes are killing #metoo, honestly if you can look at the depp vs heard case and not see 'these are two damaged people hurting each other' the problem is the press

aqsgames · 2022-05-23T12:26:06+00:00

I find the comments here disappointing. Both men and women can be abused, even in the same relationship. Heard or Depp can both be abusers or victims. The legitimate point made in the article is that women are frequently not believed or their issues dismissed- which is factually true.

I agree that men on the other hand are much less likely to come forward in the first place.

But in either case we should look to support and believe the victim regardless of gender.

Menzies56 · 2022-05-23T10:11:00+00:00

To be fair this article doesn't say men can't be victims of abuse, when i read through i then had to go back to see at what point in the trial this article was written because it is just very biased.

The term imperfect victim is used rather Victim/Abuser, the verdict is out if she truly is a victim, at this point, I don't think any of us doubt she is an abuser.

The term imperfect victim is used rather than Victim/Abuser, the verdict is out if she truly is a victim, at this point, I don't think any of us doubt she is an abuser.

Mad_Hatter_92 · 2022-05-23T17:00:47+00:00

It’s pretty balsy that they asked for a donation to their organization at the bottom of an article like that

brandon24745 · 2022-05-23T17:53:41+00:00

I saw this title and scimmed through the article. I don't get what they were trying to convey.

throwthisaway4262022 · 2022-05-23T19:46:47+00:00

I'm sorry you put all of your chips on crazy

Complex-Stress373 · 2022-05-23T21:14:01+00:00

me too is down for me, and not because of amber heard. Now men know better how they are pretending to get equality, but it was never about that.

Inside-Cheesecake-29 · 2022-05-24T01:01:08+00:00

"#MeToo" will never be over until everyone is able to face the truth and look themselves in the mirror!

c4ptnh00k · 2022-05-24T02:20:28+00:00

'#MenToo'

regularcomments · 2022-05-24T02:29:44+00:00

The guardian...why i am not surprised?

2022-05-25T03:10:07+00:00

Article like this come out only because men are not united at all. There are a lot of "men" who even support the b1aatches that write these articles.

savemeihatemyjob · 2022-05-26T23:39:23+00:00

Amber you stupid cunt, you can NOT gaslight the world. Men win either way, now everyone can see the truth about women. Victim my fucking ass.

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metoo was becoming a problem for this exact reason. Allegation have way to much power.

MeToo was over when cancellation had more to do with their politics than the evidence.

Metoo is not about females. It’s about closeted victims of abuse and harassment. #Metoo is about men. It’s about people like Johnny Depp.