From my observation, the standard of beauty for men is a lot higher than the standard of beauty for women.

Affinity4186 · 2023-04-19T16:48:07+00:00

It's simple really. Men are horny and will smash anything that isn't hideous. Women are evolutionary incentivized to want the best they can get because they have to carry a child for nine months and doing it with a lesser male is costly. Men on the other hand can have multiple children a day so fucking a 3/10 is not as evolutionary risky.

MarBitt · 2023-04-19T08:42:33+00:00

In most of Europe no one wants men to be over 182.88 because it's number obviously based on feet and not centimeters. Men 180+ cm have an OK height, while 180 cm is the average height of a man here.

Yes, women prefer men who look healthy and strong, which means a body-fat percentage of 8–20%. That doesn't necessarily mean muscular, that's more of a man's view of male beauty than a woman's. Many women prefer athletic looking men rather than outright muscular ones, while others like more massive and bigger men. Again, the six pack is more of a social media thing and maybe US standards.

I also think that the female ideal of beauty, which for many men is based on an hourglass figure, with larger breasts, a firm larger butt, and relatively low amounts of subcutaneous fat elsewhere on the body (for example, no cellulite on the thighs), is unattainable for many women. But even here the ideal of beauty differs. Some men prefer chubby women, others very slim. As porn shows, almost every type of woman finds her admirers. So it's hard to talk about some general standard of beauty, valid for everyone.

wtknight · 2023-04-19T12:41:16+00:00

The issue is that the higher value a man is, the higher that his standards are for the type of woman that he is willing to commit to. A completely average women will have no problem finding a completely average guy to commit to her (at least for a while), but she wants more than that, hence women’s high beauty standards amongst themselves.

This may be trivial to men compared to men’s difficulties often even trying to find a sexual partner, but women face possible pregnancy and child rearing, and if they choose an unattractive partner, then their genetic legacy is at stake. So they want to be as attractive as possible to attract the best partner possible.

The problem is of course that reliable birth control lets average women have sex with whomever they want with little consequence, which is one of the reasons why I’ve always said that promiscuous women should be avoided. Men dating alpha widows is not a good idea long-term, and western women aren’t going to stop that behavior until they get that message.

1Here4Bach · 2023-04-19T09:38:09+00:00

Big boobs are genetic so is a big ass. There are countless women in my gym who work out hard have nice bodies but can’t for the life of them develop their glutes (or at least develop them to the point where males would find it attractive). A lot of women are genetically doomed to having a flat ass no matter how much they work out.

Some women’s faces also suck.

januaryphilosopher · 2023-04-19T09:26:07+00:00

"Most" women from any country don't have big tits and bums. I can't take you seriously if you think being genetically blessed with the currently trendy fat distribution is the majority and easy. (With muscles, you could at least exercise to get there. You can't change your body shape without surgery.)

Common_Sense_Dudd · 2023-04-19T08:47:50+00:00

I disagree - I think women have actually been much more sexualised in the media than men have, over a much longer period of time. The result is less realistic beauty standards. This is why women now often feel the need to wear excessive makeup, under-eat and get into other anorexia / bulemia habits, in some cases do numerous cosmetic procedures etc.

Think about how often women have to remove their body hair, when it is actually very natural for women to have body hair (and even I don't like it, I'll admit). Think about how many more women than men are diagnosed with body dysmorphia, undergo invasive cosmetic procedures and wear makeup which totally changes their faces. Think about all of those boob jobs, Brazilian butt-lifts, facelifts, botox, labia trimmings, nose jobs, laser hair removals, liposuctions and more.

Also, in the media, grey foxes are a thing for men and many can go for younger women (and it is somewhat socially acceptable), but there is considerably less hype or acceptance about senior successful grey-haired women going for younger men.

Also, you cite the global statistics for male height, but realise that many countries (especially in East Asia, South Asia, various developing regions and generally other regions that don't have many Northern European descent people) have lower average male height than those found in the US and Northern Europe, so this skews your statistics. Likewise, women in those regions are not stubbornly demanding 180+ cm men.

Coolio_Street_Racer · 2023-04-19T13:18:01+00:00

It's easy to intuitively see why facial attractiveness is harder as a man when looking at gender swap filter on tiktok.

https://www.tiktok.com/discover/gender-swap-filter?lang=en

The man version of a woman would not even give the man version of herself the light of day.

Not to mention being muscular is much harder than being skinny. Being Skinny is just eating less than you burn. Being muscular involves the process of building muscle which will also add fat. Then retaining the muscle when trying to lose the fat.

Plus woman generally fuck up, men fuck down. Not date up/down. Imagine a male and female version of a person, both 4/10s. The woman version will be able to fuck a 6/10. Maybe on a 7/10 on a lucky night. The man version can only get >=3/10 or on a lucky night a 4-5/10.

So even though two people might be a looksmatch. The woman's version will always have innate advantage over the man version.

elsugga · 2023-04-19T08:56:37+00:00

I strongly disagree. You see more often that not socially attractive women with lesser attractive men than the other way around

TheSongsInYourHead · 2023-04-19T11:45:50+00:00

Beauty standards for both genders are most easily obtained by choosing the right parents. Women can just as easily get screwed in the genetics department as men can. Men having higher libidos are of course more likely to declare less than ideal women as attractive, but that doesn't mean they meet the idealized beauty standards.

I often see people say women just need to not be fat, which I think is true for the most part, but this also applies to men. Ideally men are also not scrawny and not too short, but also ideally women shouldn't be too flat, not too tall and not have too big of a frame.

Women like muscles of course, so men can at least compensate in that department if they lack other things (genetics play a big role with this too, but you've already chosen your parents poorly). If a woman isn't overweight and still isn't attractive there's not much more she can do, so in that sense men can at least work towards improvement in a way women can't.

Thekurdishprince · 2023-04-19T11:37:04+00:00

Yes it is ! Also women are way more shallow about looks as proven by dating apps. But they are all wonderful wahmens you misogynist how dare you !

AceArguments · 2023-04-19T17:55:19+00:00

Majority of men around the world are taller than women. The average height difference between a man and a woman is 4-6 inches. Stop putting a number at your desired threshold so you can skew the data towards 6 feet.

Women- big tits, big buttocks, attractive face, and average height

You forgot for women that they need to be within the right proportions (1/3 body type with legs longer than torso), with the right features (big round eyes, tall and slim non-aquiline nose, plump lips, long voluminous hair), they also have to be pale or paler than the man, be very thin but plump in all the right areas (big butt and tits), they also need to have the right limbs (small dainty feet, dainty yet slim fingers, small heads, small calves, long and graceful limbs, nice jawline), and the right colours in all the right place (red lips, flush cheeks, light coloured faces).

As far as I know, as long as a man is tall enough and not overweight. He's good to go. Nobody cares about his features. He can have whatever nose and eye shape he wants. No one judges him for that. They judge him on whether he's tall and not fat. I've never seen men be ridiculed for having big fat pompous noses but I've seen women be shamed for having the wrong eye shape. Not much of a beauty standard for men if there's no identifiable 'ideal proportions' that are cross-cultural and cross country.

Spyro7x3 · 2023-04-19T11:51:55+00:00

Height preference in men I think is pretty static.

But big ass/tits in women I don't is. I think low body fat is the only static metric. I myself love lithe skinny girls above average in height 5'7-9ish

gate18 · 2023-04-19T12:14:15+00:00

Men- tall(more than 182.88 cm), muscular, and attractive face.

Women can't go anywhere without makeup. Tom Cruise is short

40 Leading Hollywood Men Under 6 Foot

A lot of women do not have big tits or butts so they have to undergo surgery. Those 40 leading men had need had to try and get taller.

Most well-fed non-European women tend to have big tits and big buttocks.

And most of them go out with men under 182.88 cm without muscles or attractive faces.

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jeanironplate · 2023-04-19T08:28:47+00:00

Men care about men's height infinitely more than women do.

Sea_Information_6134 · 2023-04-19T14:31:50+00:00

Lmao, why do y'all constantly have to make every little thing a competition in this sub. God forbid both genders both have it bad in different ways or worse...agree! It's just one gender trying to say they have it worse than the other.

MistyMaisel · 2023-04-19T16:58:51+00:00

You know an hourglass figure isn't like...typical for most women, right? Lots of us have butts, but not tatas. Lots of us have tatas, but not butts. Lots have both, but an ugly face or at least not an attractive one. You're acting like women come out of some cookie-cutter that men don't have the luxury of.

I myself, am a woman with good body-fat distribution (actually very fit), I'm below average height, I have a beautiful face, but almost no tits and apparently a very good ass from working out like the devil. But if I don't work out like the devil, I've just got a pretty face.

Most of the women I know have only one of the three things you mentioned for us.

MullNad2 · 2023-04-19T08:58:02+00:00

LOL why are people downvoting this. It's true 100%

Early-Christmas-4742 · 2023-04-19T09:00:19+00:00

None of these things have numerical values so which is a higher bar depend compmetely on where your cut off is for any trait losted.

Flightlessbirbz · 2023-04-19T17:48:18+00:00

Most women do not have the type of figure considered ideal, by any stretch of the imagination. It’s not just “big tits and butt,” you also have to have a small waist, and it all has to be firm. Most women with those things also have bellies, big tits tend to sag, natural big butts tend to have cellulite. Thin women tend to have flat-ish chests and asses. Women are also supposed to have long legs, even if they’re not particularly tall.

And most men accept these less-than-ideal figures, but most women also accept men under 6ft. As usual around here, you’re comparing the “ideal” male standard to the “passable” female standard.

AidsVictim · 2023-04-19T15:14:05+00:00

Most non-European women have steatopygia. Most well-fed non-European women tend to have big tits and big buttocks.

Most non Euro women are "Asian" and Indian. Euro women are ahead of the curve in breast and butt size compared to most of the rest of the world.

Title	From my observation, the standard of beauty for men is a lot higher than the standard of beauty for women.
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Date	April 19, 2023 8:22 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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