Has ''Bluepill'' ideology ever really been the dominant narrative?

leosandlattes · 2024-02-22T23:05:47+00:00

What most people call blue pill is largely the polite platitudes that your mom and friends tell you about dating. “Someone will love you for you!” and “Being fat means there’s more to love!”

But yes, you’re right in that if you simply observe with your own eyeballs, none of these things are true. Finding a partner/spouse requires that you be attractive, pleasant to be around, competent at life, and also that you position yourself in places where there are other single people. Where you are likely to meet somebody.

However, some people need to be told how to do these things and that’s fine too. But the red pill is more than “be attractive and have rizz and make money” - it does kind of neurotically explain gender and attraction dynamics between men and women lol, but imo it’s more applicable than it isn’t.

BigZaddyZ3 · 2024-02-23T00:45:09+00:00

You’re close OP. I’d say that before the 2010s it was more of a mixture of the two. You have to remember that the whole “nerd steals the girl from the hot jock by just being nice” trope started in cheesy 80s movies and TV shows dude. So the bluepill has been around for longer than most of us have been alive.

But on the flip side, while there have always been “Redpilled” people ( the kind that would tell that looks and money are all that really matter in life), you have to remember that, usually those people were framed as being overly shallow, vain, or just wrong. It’s only in the modern era thanks to things like dating Apps, social media, etc. that most people are now realizing that those guys had it right. And that’s probably why a lot of guys feel “tricked” I’m guessing.

Think about how guys that focus on fitness uses to be framed. As “dumb meat heads that are overly vain”, right? Do you remember when it was considered gay to “looksmaxx” or try to improve your appearance? That wasn’t even that long ago that men that groomed themselves were called “metrosexual” of whatever. 😂. And look at everyone now. Scrambling to try and catch up to the “metrosexuals” and male models. Don’t act as if society had always had this shit figured out.

SynappyPappy · 2024-02-22T23:39:16+00:00

I would consider it in large part a byproduct of excessive optimism that can only arise during a time of unusual prosperity.

Bluepill popularity is a marker for the triumph of civilization imo. Because civilization ultimately is about the primacy of human ideals over base nature, order over entropy, etc

Crimson-Pilled · 2024-02-22T23:31:56+00:00

The Feminist Gaslight - They denied, shamed, and threatened Red Pill ideas for decades, and now that their ideology is under pressure from both men and women who see the damage of feminizing men, rather than take responsibility, they say "What Blue Pill? We've always been Red Pilled." Or "It's your fault for believing in the Blue Pill."

It is quite common to see on here. Women won't stop blaming men, but will change their reasons why they blame men to keep the hamster running.

odd_cloud · 2024-02-23T00:33:36+00:00

I think you may make conclusions from your own comparison of messaging boys receive with messaging girls receive. Indeed, girls receive the message that they must have great looks. However, I’d argue that messaging boys receive is largely blue pill. Many pieces of mainstream advice are concerned with men’s emotional intellect, communication, respect and what not. Just to see advice about looks and career you must go to some kind of underground advice.

Opening_Tell9388 · 2024-02-22T23:03:13+00:00

Men since the beginning of capitalism

God, this shit took me tf out.

trp is a lot of things. To me, the only useful information from it is, the self help shit. Brush your ass, get your money up, have hobbies, and take care of yourself mentally and physically. That's about it.

There is a give and take dance you do in conversation with women. Be able to articulate and communicate your emotions, don't cry about everything and don't be a fucking stone with no emotion. Middle ground. Don't be a mean piece of shit. Also don't be a complete push over. Middle Ground. It's pretty simple, I don't know why it confuses so many people.

treadmarks · 2024-02-22T23:42:37+00:00

I see gaslighting is all the rage on PPD now. Sure, no one has ever said "just be yourself" when giving dating advice.

Safinated · 2024-02-22T23:18:00+00:00

Uh, I guess you haven’t seen The Matrix, huh?

Geselshaft · 2024-02-22T23:10:14+00:00

Yes, because outside these spaces, blues pill is the status quo.

Which is why they fight so much about any change to the comfortable narrative and lies.

ta06012022 · 2024-02-23T03:56:16+00:00

Blue pill isn't an ideology. It's just "not red pill".

ArtifactFan65 · 2024-02-23T00:21:56+00:00

Yet when guys like Andrew Tate talk about being the man of the house people go absolutely mental 🤔

Authentic2017 · 2024-02-23T04:50:02+00:00

I HOPE THIS SEEN BY ALL

I wholly agree with this post and the people in the comments supporting it. Since the very beginning I always thought in my mind about the things I found here “but, I could’ve said that myself” and assumed I just needed to keep looking for the non-common sense concepts but never found them.

Yes, people who were social growing up either became “rp” naturally or were close to those guys and by extension it rubbed off via observation or passive learning.

Even a few days ago I saw a post talking about an epiphany made about women and I commented that any guy who has had any long term female friend or acquaintance could’ve figured that out by himself, obviously that concept did not land on such a subreddit lol.

It truly does seem to be the case that most people who turned to this did not get those imperative validating or social experiences early on that layed the ground work for self worth and social IQ to have this come naturally. Ie they were not well adjusted for whatever reason their environment did not foster this and concepts common to people who were always semi or very social are groundbreaking here.

This is why go and tell any social person these concepts and you’ll realize they subconsciously know these, but don’t even think about it because it’s as obvious as saying that a living human breathes, thus they often don’t think about it if ever.

And honestly lmao, I’m glad this post was made to validate what I’ve been thinking for a long time good job OP! it’s pretty much the final straw to get me to get off this subreddit and honestly even using reddit for anything other than educational purposes. And to go back to my roots, OUTSIDE.

MisterFunnyShoes · 2024-02-23T10:15:34+00:00

Blue Pill is the bullshit baby talk people say to appear morally virtuous.

Red Pill is what people see with their eyes.

wtknight · 2024-02-23T00:19:41+00:00

A lot of men aren't able to figure things out. It's often argued that many men aren't very socially adept. Why should it seem strange therefore that so many believe in Blue Pilled ideologies until early adulthood?

Teen boys have always been obsessed with being muscular, being big and strong; becoming athletes.

Yes, even socially challenged men know that the most athletic, masculine men are going to attract the young "Stacies" of the world. But men still think that by being nice and pleasant to a woman in their own league that they will be able to attract her. The Red Pill is just teaching men that this is not the case.

Queasy_Bit952 · 2024-02-22T23:04:50+00:00

That autistic jab really wasn't necessary, and misrepresents that most of these dudes are fully capable of understanding things themselves, but they sill expect everything to be spelled out in an acceptably "thruthful" way. The truth being women are not better than men, and are mostly worse because they lie!

YtBlue · 2024-02-22T23:10:07+00:00

Obviously rage baiting. It's so unknown about what men actually have to do, most don't know that it's gotten as bad as it is. For example every male considered conventially attractive today(celebrity wise) is on steroids. Many always say Women have it bad but at least we know and can't identify BBLs. Men can't even identify what's natural and what's the needle anymore

apresonly · 2024-02-22T23:10:33+00:00

i doubt it bc patriarchy is a king of the hill mentality, meaning that no one besides the person willing to be the most ruthless and immoral can get to the top

i dont think the most ruthless, immoral person is going to be a blue piller

AngeCruelle · 2024-02-22T23:44:15+00:00

I wonder if it's geographic to some extent. As someone who grew up in the South I cannot relate to the feminist BP fantasy land that a lot of Reddit supposedly grew up in.

d4rkw3b5 · 2024-02-23T01:16:18+00:00

No because historically speaking the peaceful majority is always murdered or conquered

Alternative_Eye_2799 · 2024-02-23T05:25:17+00:00

Blue pill red pill black pill who created these crazy terms?

BigZaddyZ3 · 2024-02-23T00:43:37+00:00

You’re close OP. I’d say that before the 2010s it was more of a mixture of the two. You have remember that the whole “nerd steals the girl from the hot jock by just being nice” trope started in cheesy 80s movies and TV shows dude. So the bluepill has been around for longer than most of us have been alive.

But on the flip side, while there have always been “Redpilled” people ( the kind that would tell that looks and money are all that really matter in live), you have to remember that, usually those people were framed as being overly shallow, vain, or just wrong. It’s only in the modern era thanks to things like dating Apps, social media, etc. that most people are now realizing that those guys had it right. And that’s probably why a lot of guys feel “tricked” I’m guessing.

Think about how guys that focus on fitness uses to be framed. As “dumb meat heads that are overly vain”, right? Do you remember when it was considered gay to “looksmaxx” or try to improve your appearance? That wasn’t even that long ago that men that groomed themselves were called “metrosexual” of whatever. 😂. And look at everyone now. Scrambling to try and catch up to the “metrosexuals” and male models. Don’t act as if society had always had this shit figured out.

It wasn’t that long ago that someone would have told you “women aren’t even that into sex” or that “a woman would never will sell porn of herself. Those women just have daddy issues”. Society has been getting women wrong from the very start bruh. That’s one thing I actually agree with the feminists on tbh.

proventruetoolate · 2024-02-23T08:41:27+00:00

Do a survey today asking 1 MILLION women to rank the qualities that make men desirable.

LOOKS (face, height, body) will rank at number 6

BULLSHIT - kindness, empathy, loyalty, humor, responsible - will rank between 1 to 5

We are dealing with a gender that are pathological liars. And you still ask why we have these "pills"?

Gfys

thetruthishere_ · 2024-02-23T04:41:32+00:00

No.

Most people out there know looks matter along with life ambition, etc.

Sorry some of you are all oblivious thinking only looks matter and want to claim some pill baloney.

tadL · 2024-02-23T12:06:32+00:00

Never.

The extreme part about red pill are as bullshit as blue pill. But in the end nature wins. Blue pill seems to argue against nature. And that does not work.

Legitimate_Type_1324 · 2024-02-23T01:47:34+00:00

It's a millennial generation thing.

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Hungry-Current-2807 · 2024-02-23T10:42:06+00:00

Some fat guys and some beta nerds get laid all the time. Example: Lots of women want to be the "pretty one in the relationship."

DonBoy30 · 2024-02-23T12:11:54+00:00

I think dating culture rides the waves of the zeitgeist, whereas the individual’s ideas of dating are decentralized ideas that often overlap and meet in the middle with other individuals due to the outside influences of the overarching dating culture.

We live in a time of being overwhelmed by options in a hyper-individualistic world. Dating culture reflects that. Personally, I think “blue pill” is just the outliers of a different time period with a different “zeitgeist” that exist solely due to slowly outlying external influences (stable households, community oriented neighborhoods/families, and etc).

Maybe I’m ultra blackpill (lol), but I just don’t see the point of these pill categories.

Freevoulous · 2024-02-23T12:32:26+00:00

BluePill is just a contemporary socio-sexual affectation of the Middle Class White Westerners. Nobody else actually believes in it.

Hop on a plane and go to Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe or Sth America, and see how many Bluepillers you find there.

Soul_vaccine · 2024-02-23T20:50:30+00:00

It’s dominant in certain circles. For instance, I was raised by women and I was always the perfect gentleman. Now I realize that there’s aspects of being ungentlemanly that are VERY important in generating attraction and “spark” and romance.

Title	Has ''Bluepill'' ideology ever really been the dominant narrative?
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Date	February 22, 2024 10:49 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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