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[–]ConchitOh 271 points272 points273 points 4 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link
Honestly op, I would wager that any girl you do feel a deep connection with, maybe don’t fuck em right away. Perhaps the problem isn’t with the women, its entirely possible you’re just coming across as someone who is solely interested in sex. The next time around, maybe just kiss them and send them home. Girls tend to assume at a default that guys just wanna have sex, so maybe leaving them wondering will end up with repeat dates.
[–]El0vution 105 points106 points107 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
It’s probably the opposite. I would wager he’s coming off too relationship-hungry.
[–]-Long-Dong-Silva- 87 points88 points89 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Wtf is everyone really that obtuse. OP clearly just sucks in bed. That is the running theme here that everyone seems to be missing. If he was any good, they would absolutely come back for seconds.
[–][deleted] 32 points33 points34 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This just in: women might actually not care about him at all and it’s got zero to do with his ability or apparent relationship-hunger. They might just be having a booty call for their own reasons.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah but even so, you'd assume at least one girl would have made a second appearance if the sex was enjoyable.
[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Nope. I wouldn’t. Women don’t owe anyone a relationship.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's what i said, alright.
[–]dry-foo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This sounds harsh but I agree that if you have what she's looking for she will definitely not let you go away that easily. It could be something else than bad sex too though. Women have many other turn-offs / red flags than your skills in bed.
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[–]Jestopherson23 67 points68 points69 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
Don't have sex on the first date.. simple. And chicks who are fucking on a first date likely aren't looking for a relationship.
"They say I'm good in bed"
Ya they're probably just trying to boost you up. If you were that good they wouldn't have to tell you for you to know.
[–]THE_IRL_JESUS 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
And chicks who are fucking on a first date likely aren't looking for a relationship
This is such an antiquated way of thinking.
My last girlfriend i had sex with the first time I met her. The girl I am currently seeing, and may take further with, I fucked on the first date.
[–]vergil_never_cry 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree. I had 3 dates myself where we had sex on the first dates. 2 of them turned into 1.5-2 years relationship.
[–]pearllovespink 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Respectfully, as a woman that isn’t classy. If I ever had sex with someone so fast I would expect nothing in return. Not even a phone call or text. The women sleeping with the OP are in it for the sex and there’s nothing wrong with that I guess.
[–]sylviesweetheart 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
As a woman, I second this tbh. I place guys in a category when I first meet them: just a friend, a potential boyfriend, or a hookup. If I hookup w them on the first or second “date”, they’re in the hookup box. If I see potential in them, I make them wait. A few of my girl friends are the same way, so this could be why. If it’s an issue, OP, I would advise you to stop hooking up on the first date to see if they’re actually interested in you as a person instead of just sex. Best of luck
[–]Felix1178 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
But what if a guy who you categorised him as "hook" is awesome in bed and as person too? Isn't a bit unfair? Wouldn't you reconsider him?
[–]sylviesweetheart 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If I’m physically attracted to them, I would first consider the bf category. There’s always at least one good reason why they get placed in the hook up box. Usually its a deal breaker, but I have a lot of those so it doesn’t mean there’s something wrong w them. Women are picky
[–]pearllovespink 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe but there’s usually a reason why women put men in the hookup category. For me personally, I just find the person attractive and that’s it. They have no other redeeming qualities but attractiveness and good sex. I don’t wish to date them.
[–]Jestopherson23 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I said likely. As in it's not always the case. My current gf had sex with me on the 2nd. She only wanted sex at the time.
Good for you, but that doesn't make you the rule.
[–]THE_IRL_JESUS 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And it isn't likely either. Complete BS.
[–]Jestopherson23 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well I guess the vast majority of women I've fucked on first dates and spoken too about the subject are the exception.
And some guy who makes a play on a fairy tale is much more knowledgeable than actual women. Bet you tell them when they cum too
[–]haspro_ 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Dont listen to this, just feel the flow, take every opportunity to take her to bed, if she wants more she will say it, and if the opposite case, she told you as well. Women are a strange type and no one can understand what goes through their mind so don’t try to seek answers, move on to the next one king
I'm also speaking from the stand point of when a guy pushes for sex on the first date it definitely gives off a certain intent.
Well clearly what he's doing isn't working, and to not try to build more of a connection first and see if that works would be foolish. Especially when the fuck boy tactic hasn't been working.
So no, don't listen to you😘
[–]haspro_ 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I hear your point, but.. aren’t we all kind of hanging on what the girl wants? Sometimes you give her the exact vibes/sign she wants and she ends up leaving?
Example: I decided not to have sex anymore until the third date just to try to build that connection. But guess what? It doesn’t fucking matter, why try to work on building a connection if at the end all that really matters is what the girl see
My point is, its nothing wrong with OP, more what the girl is looking for. Do you agree?
I agree it all depends on what the girl wants, but don't forget what they want could change at any moment and sometimes the time from 1-3 dates is all you need to push them into a more romantic mind set.
As I said my gf only wanted sex, so did I. But after getting to know eachother on the first date we built a connection. It stayed just sex for a few weeks, now it's obviously more.
Along with your intent can't put them in a certain mindset, if you come off fuck boyish. That's all they'll see you as
[–][deleted] 32 points33 points34 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
They think you’re playing a game, lying, or a psycho or all three. There aren’t many guys or women who are comfortable with their sexuality and comfortable making the arrangement to have sex while also getting to know each other.
[–]Lotus_82 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
No that’s not it dude. I have a feeling you don’t know women very well because sadly it’s painfully obvious that all those encounters went south after they had sex and women who are sexually satisfied don’t react the way those women reacted with OP.
[–]pearllovespink 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Some women are looking for strictly sex. They got what they wanted and moved on.
I think I know women because I am one lol
I am a woman
[–]udownwithLTP 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Honestly I think you are sort of correct about being used by them. I don’t think they’re into you in any real relationship sense and/or they don’t think you’re interested in or capable of being in a real relationship with them, but hey probably find you sufficiently physically attractive that they’re willing to have sex with you, especially after having a drink or two, but then probably feel some shame or regret for having meaningless hedonistic sex, and ultimately just don’t view the experience as something they want to replicate. Maybe if you’re unusually attractive as you claim to be and I actually belief, maybe they just figure oh well I’ll try it out. And others have accused you of being bad at sex, which is a weird kind of thing to define really — I mean isn’t ‘sex that they want to have again’ the ultimate definition of good sex? Even if it was especially enjoyable/more enjoyable than usual physically for whatever reasons, if they didn’t have the emotional connection component fueling into it, they probably aren’t that keen to repeat it. It could be compared for men maybe in terms of jerking off versus having sex with a girl you’re really attracted to. Sure jerking off will be fun and get you an orgasm/your thrills or whatever, but it can’t really compete with the experience of actual good sex. I think good sex for a man is more visual and physical whereas for women there’s a stronger emotional/psychological aspect interplaying with it, and it varies a bit between different women. But generally women (particularly hotter/smarter/classier ones) do tend to have this deep fear of being impregnated somehow by a guy they’re not in a relationship with, and also lots of social conditioning that makes them fear being labeled a whore or slut and thereby be devalued in the eyes of guys they’d like to be with, and perhaps viewed as not trustworthy/sexually impulsive/irresponsible/shallow, etc. and there is always the fear of STDs and various forms of vaginosis, and the rumor mill spreading and their own conscience shaming them for whatever their own reasons are.
But to be honest, and I’m not trying to be jerk to you — the way you typed this kind of comes across as not a particularly intelligent/aware/thoughtful kind of maybe jock type of dude. And it kind of makes sense that you look good, I could see those kinds of like football team dull frat bro kinda guys with attractive bodies being in a situation like this. And I assume that since looking into/posting on a seduction subreddit, you’re main thoughts are about banging chicks rather than forming connections and love, and most chicks just can’t help but not be into that very much. Even with FwBs girls want like some sort of emotional connection, even if it’s a kind of like mutual understanding that it’s not really like exclusive or serious or whatever at least for now, they usually will have some part of them that thinks well maybe someday we could be together if I don’t find something I like better and/or he doesn’t, you know depending on the dynamic.
I would say you’d probably be better served by making simply achieving an act of sex not such a high priority. Just jerk off more first of all lol. And maybe try to think like a woman thinks, which tends to be skewed towards a longer term vision in one way or another and an emotionally and psychologically fulfilling experience rather than a physically/visually fulfilling experience as we men tend to (some worse than others lol). I mean in a way it’s a curse that guys have lol our obsession with achieving the act of sex kind of makes our ability to maximize the women’s experience in every way, beyond the physical.
[–][deleted] 77 points78 points79 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
If she’s keen to sleep with you on the first dates how do you discern the difference between a woman just wanting nothing but no strings attached ONS vs a girl that’s actually keen on you?
All this advice in the comments about just keep on doing the same thing until you get the right one. It’s idiotic.
It sounds like you’re under the impression that in order to actually hook her interest in you, you have to have to sex with her. If that’s the case, you need to take a step back and reevaluate what you think you offer as a man, what value you have as a man.
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[–][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You’re literally on judging if she’s wanting to root right there and then vs being delayed. If she’s keen to see you again rather than not simply looking for a root, she’ll want to see you again. It’s not hard to judge.
If you’re finding this difficult then it’s even more so why you need to take a step back and reevaluate. Maybe you’re entire persona is coming across as fuckboy and that’s not your intention.
[–]bumbum63 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How about not having sex the first date?
[–]404wan 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think you may come on way too strong. You dont build a deep connection on a first date, you just get to know eachother a little.
This comment is kinda toxic dude. A first date is meant for quick first evaluations. Do I feel like I want to get to know you for real and give this a shot? If yes, there is a second date. If no, there was no connection to begin with and no need to be sour.
[–]derpledooDLEDOO 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe they aren’t into your personality but because you’re good looking and they are already on a date, so they want a ONS. Them not being that into you emotionally and you saying you don’t want a ONS makes it awkward for them to go on a second date cuz maybe they don’t want to lead you on.
I would stop having sex on the first date as some others have mentioned. Try to connect more on an emotional level. If you feel like you need some sex after a while it’s fine to have a ONS every now and then, but keep your goal in mind of finding someone you connect with deeper if you’re looking for a long term relationship.
[–]mrmayyhem 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Honestly though with modern women, if they have any intention of sex at all and they don’t get it they just move on. They can afford to be frivolous with partners because there’s so many fish in the sea.
[–]michelle961 140 points141 points142 points 4 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link
Basically you don't know the psychology of girls. In general, girls who sleep with you on the first meeting are looking for one night stands. If she's looking for a long term relationship, she will not risk you thinking badly of her.
[–]Fooking-Degenerate 28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Might be cultural difference but in France and I think all of Europe you'd be completely wrong
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[–]Fooking-Degenerate 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What's your country?
[–]Aliebaba99 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think France is a little more sex positive than the rest of Europe, or at least more sex positive than the Netherlands, however, all of Europe is definitely more sex positive than US.
[–]Lotus_82 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s the same everywhere dude I had the same experience in the USA, Canada, France, Israel and a bunch of other places.
[–]INeededAThrowawayCuz 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I understand you said general but generally speaking that hasn’t been true from what I’ve seen.
[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And those who didn’t slept with me wasn’t interested in anything but just interested in me as socializing or just meet new people. I haven’t met anyone who said I’m not having sex on the first date or resist and say we should wait.
[–]conary 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well you take the lead then! Flirt with them and be your best self, but don't have sex with them on the first date. I don't think that immediately makes you coming off as relationship hungry.
[–]GrandRub 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
dont know ... if they have sex with you pretty fast that isnt a bad thing ...
maybe OP just sucks at sex so they dont want round #2
[–]CicadaProfessional76 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Not having sex with them isn’t going to magically make them want to not ghost you and continue seeing you lmao
[–]CicadaProfessional76 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
They’re wrong. You can’t “ignore” somebody into becoming attracted to you. A very small # of manipulative women will do this, but this does not generate attraction in overwhelming majority of people.
The toxic “dating” advice ideologies continues spreading these lies that really just compound the prevalence of manipulative behavior in the sexual marketplace
[–]conary 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So what's your suggestion for OP then? Genuinely interested as I suggested too not to sleep with them on the first date. Not to manipulate them, just to weed out the ones that are just into a one night stand.
[–]Significant-Change56 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
I think it also depends on how old you are and how old they are. The same thing has happened to me, the difference is that they give me a second and third date, but they do it more as a farewell because of the good sex.
Always on the second date after sex they tell me that they are not interested in a relationship and we end up having sex. The same thing has happened to me more than 7 times in 7months. Which I also understand since I'm in my early 20's, and I've slept with girls 18 and older who just want to live the crazy life.
I want too a rs but i have to continue searching for it. You gonna get better and stronger!
[–]conary 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Man, it's not always easy being a dude! Lol honestly it low key sounds like those girls are just using you. But also, I think things will change for you as you get older. Meanwhile, enjoy the girls who want to live the crazy life lol.
[–]Gaydame 33 points34 points35 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
This is easy. You keep going till you find a girl you like who DOES want to see you again.
Simples.
Better still, set your boundaries right at the top : "I'm not looking for a one night stand, and if you are, let's not date!"
[–][deleted] 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You need to be more laid back. Stop hyper focusing on sex. It’s an awesome part of a relationship but just slow your roll and wait til date 3. Let the tension build. See if there’s chemistry and let that fire burn.
[–]conary 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You pretty much wrote in 3 lines what took me a whole paragraph, well said.
[–]conary 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As a rule, I would not say in my bio what I don't want or like. I would just meet women like you have before, be as flirty or whatever you usually are, but then just not sleep with them on the first date. I'm a guy, and I would love for women to chime in, but I feel acting like that when you could technically get laid, but then confidently end the date and say "this was a lot of fun!" and leave makes you immediately more interesting as you're not giving out fuckboi vibes, but the vibes of a guy who knows what he wants and isn't just fucking every girl on the first date. Like someone else mentioned, wait until date 3, and see how that works. Some women will not come on a second date if you don't sleep with them on date 1, but that's a good way to weed out those who actually just want to use you for your body and (as you mentioned) your sexual skills. So make yourself a bit rarer, show your worth, take the lead and be confident!
[–]Gaydame 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Someone else said "chill out about sex". That's very good advice, seems like you have too much emphasis and importance on it.
Also, the lies of women are not your concern - that's their concern. Your concern is communicating clearly what you want and not allowing your boundaries to be violated. You only get lying women in your life when you invite them!
[–]MalibuProducer77 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bruh I've experienced the same thing. The girls that I would "friendzone" and just be friends with, had no romantic intentions with really, they ALL wanted something more. I don't understand why it's like that. It's strange. But the girls I'm "attracted to" seem to be playing hard to get/uninterested. Or! The girls I treat like straight up fuck buddies, are down to do just that but no relationship. Crazy world we live in 😂
[–]Dontfeedthelocals 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Surprised no one has said this, but rule no 1is to not come across as needy. I could imagine trying to form a deep connection on a first date coming across as needy (it doesn't have to, but it definitely could)
I'd imagine that holding back more, leaving a bit of mystery, holding back from deciding you're even interested (considering all the other option syou obviously have) could build the kind of feelings of value which would make a girl feel deeper.
[–]Dontfeedthelocals 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No I mean during the date. I found models by Mark mansion good at explaining non neediness.
[–]Dontfeedthelocals 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just read this back again. If you're giving her confirmation and value freely then she won't chase you for it. If you hold back and offer that sparingly, it not only will make her want to attain what she does not have, but it will also make you come across as a high value man.
[–]Legitimate-Lies 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
They either got mad options, are just bad people, or you’re fucking girls with boyfriends right husbands.
Also, although you said it, the sex might be bad. I know you THINK it doesn’t but it just might.
[–]2werd2live2rare2die 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The are women of course they have options. But I’m more in line with others saying don’t have sex to early. It’s not just men that lose interest after sex a little mystery and communication helps build chemistry but once sex is had much of the chemistry is lost as sex is one of the most intimate things you can do and once you bare that much to someone it loses much of the excitement it’s like ok that was the most intimate things we will ever do with one another so perception is changed immediately afterwords.
This is so true. Sex is like that one trump card we have, both guys and girls. Once that's done, you can of course have better sex, but the first time having sex with someone is still a pretty cool moment that is worth waiting for a little bit - unless of course you just want to have sex with as many women as possible.
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[–]Legitimate-Lies 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
So you’re either not what they’re looking for, or are weird.
Also I got sad news for you, a lot of modern romance is dependent on sex. If the sex isn’t good, why would you wanna continue?
[–]kylefofyle[🍰] 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Seems like OP is suffering from the attractive syndrome. Girls will fuck him just because he’s good looking, regardless of whether they see him as a good partner. Us average guys don’t get sex until we are seen as a potential partner BEFORE getting sex.
[–]Legitimate-Lies 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I got the same thing, a truly hollow existence. There def has to be something up tho, even girls that just wanna fuck will stick around, even just for more dick
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[–]alrightokiguess 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Most people won’t tell you the sex isn’t great, this early on. They just won’t keep having it. I hate to break it to you, but if the sex was great, they would have more of it (unless there’s some other personality conflict).
Perhaps ask them to communicate to you about what they like or don’t like and see if they have feedback. I bet they do, in this case. If you didn’t make them feel like you cared about what they like during sex, they probably don’t think it’s even worth talking about after the fact.
[–]alrightokiguess 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Show her you care, try it during rather than after the first round
[–]INeededAThrowawayCuz 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You absolutely can expect sex to be good the first time. It may not be the best that y’all are capable of but it def can be good.
Yeah, I think you’re not as good as you think you are sexually OP. You might also be a simp. These two characteristics would def leave you in the situation you’re in.
[–]grizzled083 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How do you have sex then?? WHAT ARE YOUR MOVES?! lol
Dude, you should be proud of yourself honestly. If you're getting that feedback, you should be confident, and not give away that asset that you have right away, ya know?
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[–]DesperateForDD 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I know. His problems are nicer than mine lol
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Why would they sleep with him in the first place than?
[–]JMichelleK 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
He made a post a couple days ago that he has deleted but he explained he invites women over to his house they have drinks and they have sex, I know some women who would be scared to say no if a guy initiated sex and I was alone with him at his house.
On his post the other day I told him that his problem might be his method of sleeping with women on the first date and he claimed that wasn’t the problem so then I said he should clean his house, brush his teeth, and shower and he said that wasn’t the problem, so if he refuses to accept any criticism and say none of that is the problem it must be something he can’t change and that’s the only thing I can come up with
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
He should change the tactics then. Instead of inviting her, regular date near his place will be best option. If they have the sex after the date and than she decline second date I don't think the height is the issue.
[–]JMichelleK 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I absolutely agree with you that he should change his tactics, I believe that is the most likely issue. OP just doesn’t think that’s the problem based on him keep making posts so I’m just trying to come up with other possibilities
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I would like to know your thoughts on this. Recently I've been hooking up with girls in a bars and clubs (just making out, no sex). But I can't score a date with any of them. They would just ignore the text or tell me they're busy. It's the 5th time this happens to me in the period of 40 days. I'm also 5'6 but I don't think that's the issue. Maybe the problem are the clubs, not a good place for finding a girlfriend, just a place for validation🤷♂️
[–]JMichelleK 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, I think clubs are better for having a fun night then finding a commitment. I personally met my husband when I was at school, but I think places like clubs and bars have people looking more for a one night kind of thing. I think dating apps are useful to an extent, but you have to make it clear you are looking for a relationship. I think parties are a pretty good way because it’s a way for you to meet friends or friends so you most likely already have stuff in common since you share a friend group, or places like work, school, church, etc where the people there all have something you can relate with
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for advice. Even though my best friend found his wife with tinder I'm not fan of online dating, can be confidence killer. Also it's not that much popular in my country. But I will try my luck on other places, maybe day approach can be good, I've never tried that way before.
[–]JMichelleK 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You seem like a really great guy, so I wish you the best of luck!
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you!
[–]_myvanitythrowaway_ -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
so if he refuses to accept any criticism and say none of that is the problem it must be something he can’t change and that’s the only thing I can come up with
There's a difference between refusing criticism and being able to definitely refute particular points for certain though (e.g. I think he would remember brushing teeth and showering haha).
My experience has been very similar to the OP, and I'm about 5 inches taller than he is.
So I can say that in my case, it's not height, appearance, hygiene etc.
Once you write off the variables, how do you narrow down what it *could* be?
[–]JMichelleK 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My main (along with others in both posts) criticism is his technique, his first dates are always and only sex. They never do any fun activities where they get to know each other like bowling, a walk in the park, skating, or even watching a movie. They have drinks and sex and that’s it. If he were to do different first dates so it doesn’t feel like a one night stand or just hooking up then he might get better odds of women coming back again. The women who are looking for sex on a first date aren’t looking for a relationship, they just want a fun night, which is fine but not what OP seems to want
[–]_archi 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wait till third date for sex. Results are magical.
[–]Lotus_82 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No offense but it’s probably the sex. If you ask a girl how you did she’s not going to be mean and tell you she’s been faking her orgasms, because from what you wrote it doesn’t sound like there’s anything else you’re doing wrong.
Did all the girls you had sex with appear to have at least one orgasm?
[–]Spicymayo_0507 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As a woman, I don’t agree with most of comments here. Also I have a feeling that OP is thinking highly of himself a little not only by the post as well as his comments. I would never say to any man that they were terrible in bed even if they were (why hurt someone’s feeling if they are not your problem?) unless their behaviour was worth calling out. I had a gf who hooked up with a really good looking guy she found on Tinder and he was very selfish in bed, no care for her pleasure, and lasted less than 2 mins. How old are you, OP ? And have you ever been in a long term relationship? I found that men who’s never been in a relationship is terrible in bed. Girls who are in ons will still come back for more if you were good in bed. As ONS is rarely any good. Sorry to say this but I am pretty sure the sex wasn’t very good is the reason …
[–]wallynext 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think its interesting that man and women face the same issues, if I didn’t know you were a guy, I would assume this would come from a woman. Anyway, I feel you and wanting to for a bond and a connection is awesome, you don’t seem to be doing anything wrong, it just happened that you met women that just want sex, they dont want a deep connection maybe because they are not ready and just want fun, just keep searching for someone that wants the same as you, its that simple
[–]TallDarkandBot 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
A girl is not going to magically want a relationship with you simply because you waited a day or two to have sex.
There is clearly a disconnect here and I recommend you take a step back and do some introspection. Take account for what you truly want (is it hookups or something meaningful) and see if that is the image you’re giving off through what you say, but also your actions.
Then, take account for if whatever it is you truly want is coming off to strong. You’re clearly checking off some boxes if they are sleeping with you, so that’s good. But maybe you’re laying it on too thick.
I recommend reading the Kama sutra or watching YouTube videos on sex and oral tips. Whether you want to hear it or not, based on what you’ve said, there seems to be a trend. So take a refresher course and always be willing to get better. Don’t give too much weight to what she says about how good you are at sex. Most people will tell you that just to avoid embarrassment, you will know you did a great job when the bed is wet, she’s shaking, she can’t stop smiling afterwards, or she energetically wants to keep seeing you. Do all those things happen every time? Of course not, but what I’m saying is look at the visual indicators and her actions more than what she says.
Always have the growth mindset. You could very well be good, but we all have room to be better. Hope this helps man.
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[–]Benjamino77 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Did u eat them out until they came? Then f’d again until that happened at least twice? That usually gets callbacks. People just say lies because they don’t want to make you mad. Try to exceed expectations.
[–]_myvanitythrowaway_ 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Did u eat them out until they came? Then f’d again until that happened at least twice? That usually gets callbacks.
I've had girls who I've done exactly that with. Made them cum multiple times (they told me so unprompted). They hinted at perhaps wanting to be FWB, I was receptive. Never heard from them again.
Makes no sense lmao
[–]Benjamino77 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe you’re not interpreting. Maybe more needy than they want perhaps too… when with you girls will say all kinds of things even if they’re not true - if they squirt on the other hand that’s usually a good sign.
[–]tjohnson718 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I've experienced similar situations countless times. My theory is that these are either:
a) Low sex drive women who you happened to have met while they were on their bi-annual libido spike and since you satisfied their twice-a-year nut requirement, she can now go back to six-months of voluntary celibacy.
OR..
b) Slut's remorse. While she may have enjoyed the bang, her "good girl" social programming kicked in post-orgasm and she now feels guilty about letting herself become vulnerable to you so quickly. Therefore she responds by immediately shutting off sexual access to avoid reliving that experience in her mind.
Btw, none of these possibilities are the fault of the man. Most women have these never-ending internal conflicts about sex.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Omg the first point what you describe I can relate to the last two girls I recently met. The first one didn’t had sex for long time ago, if I remember correct it was 4 years or 1 years ago because of emotional issue breakup.
The second one where recently broke up since three weeks ago from his boyfriend.
But regarding reason two about slut shame, is that something as man to correct or make her feel not guilty or bad? Or maybe it’s to late?
[–]tjohnson718 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nah not your job. Only a therapist can fix that.
I mean you cannot and should not correct it if they feel slut shame. But if the sex was good and you stay in touch she might come back for more. I know that's not what your'e looking for though.
But if you don't sleep with her on the first date, she'll be less likely to feel slutty I assume (not to say it is slutty to sleep with a guy on the first date).
[–]emily12587 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Oh right not like y’all call most women hoes or see them as ur sexual pleasuring object?
[–]Stabbackqwert 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
this isnt some manoshpere sub reddit.
[–]INeededAThrowawayCuz 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I read the OP but I’m still guessing the sex is bad and you’re too relationship hungry (or a simp). I’ve NEVER heard of a woman not being willing to see a man again after having good sex with him. I’ve had it happen once in my life and my sex was absolutely trash.
If you have good dick they’ll come back for more until it becomes too toxic. At least that’s true in my life-experience.
Do these women orgasm during sex?
[–]_myvanitythrowaway_ -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’ve NEVER heard of a woman not being willing to see a man again after having good sex with him.
I've had this happen a few times. e.g. Slept with a girl, made her cum multiple times (she told me so unprompted). She hinted at perhaps wanting to be FWB, I was receptive. Never heard from her again.
Don't understand the logic there at all.
[–]PhoenixBln 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
welcome to the modern dating game dude! please look out for statistics. what happens to you happens to everyone! most tinder hook ups are just one date, fucking, and up to the next dude/girl. boys do it. girls do it. everyone does it. it is just a hollywood created myth that women want a relationship more then men.
specially if you give them signals that you want them to stay and want to get to know them and meet them more often: theyx dont want this. they just want sex with a cool dude who doesnt make a huge fuss about it. they want independent men. if you want more from them, you depend on them, so they leave quicker. they are fearing relationships and one-sided feelings. everyone had them. everyone knows storys about men/women who "wanted more" and which ended in a absolute disaster.
dude. just chill. be independent like them. i know it hurts.... i made same experiences. then i talked to other dudes who fucked a lot of girls and they tell me the same. but most of them just dont care either! and they know this behaviour from themselves. so its easier to accept it.
go on! be strong! have fun! be thankfull for the physicial love they gave you. cherish their memory. fuck bitches, stay nice and polite, have your own goals, work out, be yourself on a social acceptable way.
i feel you bro. stay strong!
[–]Stabbackqwert 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
golden advice
[–]MalibuProducer77 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Best comment and advice! OP, listen to his comment above, remember it, get off Reddit, and keep it moving.
True, so many negative people here who are commenting just to bring down people.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Great advice. Do you also mean I gonna ignore the text day after? Or just enough write “thanks for last night” and just wait until they suggest next meet up by themselves? And never ask for meet up again?
[–]PhoenixBln 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
dude, just live your life! optimal way: you have a life that occupies you so much that you don't even have the urge to text her or simply not enough time. meet with people u genuinly like and do stuff with them. make new friends, meet new girls. it's "just sex". if you communicated that transparently and noone talked about relationships or other stuff it stays: just sex. no obligations. we live in a capitalistic, superficial society.
men and women get pushed into having sex. more is better. new is better. so yeah, let's fuck as many people as quick as possible. ask yourself if you want to play this game. i did. most people did or tried to. it fucked me. i'm not that guy. i fucked enough girls and had enough drama in my life, i dont have to prove anything to me. i want girls who are seriously interested in me personally. i'm not a fuckboy, not a fetish.
and yeah, basically i'm just not doing ons anymore. 3 date rule, baby. you don't know, how HOT you will be for them after you told that to your dates who are already interested in you.
the most fun thing is: if a girl is REALLY hot and the date is going perfectly, you can whistle in her ear: "i know, i know, i told you about my 3 date rule, but hey... rules are meant to be broken..". the best way to tell her that is while you are already making out with her and did some moves like, uuuuugh, let's not go too far.. *5 minutes later* escalating, making out... and again: uuugggghhhh... ;)
it helps to keep the tension or to escalate even further.
to come back to your question: just wait. after a few days or a week, when you're in the mood, ask again. if she's really interested in you she will contact you anyway until then. until then: have a life. work out. read. meet people. friends. girls. or just take your time and meditate. appreciate life. get a positive mindset.
dude. you are the price. act like it. stay positive. don't expect anything. stay kind and gentle, humerous, spontaneous, open minded and if you're not, work on these topics.
[–]Zothyrian 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is the best Advice from one who obviously knows! Thank you
[–]Lost_My_Only_Way 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Women don't get attached from sex this day in age. You gotta get in their head and not give much validation that they're always chasing.
[–]conary 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I wish I didn't agree with this, but I do.
[–]Lost_My_Only_Way 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Blame social media and all the simps in her dms
You do have a point right there. This whole mini thread is on fire right now 💯
THIS! And it's a damn shame it's the truth but it is what it is
[–]Fooking-Degenerate 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
OP, are you neurodivergent by any chance?
I have some pretty heavy ADHD with possible autism and it makes connecting with people very hard, both on my side and on their side.
But Im also a tall, muscular sexy non-threatening dude so I do get easy sex. It's just that the relationship never works out if they dont share the same cognitive functioning.
Im in two (open) long term relationships right now, a girl and a boy, and they both were diagnosed with ADHD and autism. Pretty sure that's not a coincidence...
So yeah, can it be that you are different?
Not OP, but I'm similarly ASD/ADD like you.
Did you ever have times where you felt the connection on your end but they didn't on theirs? I find that happens to me a lot.
[–]Fooking-Degenerate 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A few times sure
[–]fuck_reddits_censors 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's probably because either
(1) they're just looking for one night stands, or
(2) you did something weird/creepy afterward, and/or
(3) you're bad as sex
[–]Sto94 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
What makes you think they didn't lie about sex? Guys can be weird if sb doesn't show them they are the best lol if you were good they would show it, they wouldn't tell it
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
There are not a lot of women who feel comfortable with the fact that they had sex in a first date. They see it as a fuck up, and think you probably just put them in the fuck category. I enjoy having sex with the same person more than once which is why I am super selective. My f buddy of three years is over and gone and I don’t have anyone lined up. Unfortunately. Many women feel like once they e had sex it’s over. At least for me that’s how I have been made to feel because guys are the same way. They don’t want to f more than once either. We’re not the norm.
[–]conary 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I think this should be upvoted more. I also feel that a lot of women are not comfortable after having had sex on a first date. That's my hunch. I mean, as a guy, I would also not want that because it honestly makes you look like you do that every time, Idk if that's really that attractive? I personally think setting boundaries and walking away from the possibility of having sex just shows that you have options (even if you don't ) and that you are not needy. But I'm always interested in what a woman's take on that is.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have learned as a woman that just because I can f a guy doesn’t mean I should. There are plenty of weirdos and freaks (not the good kind) online and in person. This is why im very selective. I also like to leave a bit of mystery so that it can be more sexual tension built up if and or when we do have sex. However I am a very sexual person so I also like to discuss this as well, depending on who it is. I don’t think it’s necessarily unattractive for anyone to have sex on a first date. It’s all about communication. What YOU want. Example- I recently met a guy who said he wanted to take things slow but he wasn’t being honest with me. When it came time for our first date, we made plans to meet after three days because things were going well on the phone-he suddenly melted down when I didn’t volunteer to skip the date and just go have sex. He thought because he had not pressured me that I was going to magically offer it u, before even having a first date (to meet in public to make sure he wasn’t like insane or somethint) long story short, he ended up making me super freaked out Bc he suddenly went off on me right before we were supposed to meet. He got very angry and changed from his “nice” demeanor to very upset. He felt entitled to me. I did not go meet him and he proceeded to beg me for an entire day for my address. I blocked him. But see, he wasn’t honest and I feel as a woman that guys should just be honest about what they want and then let a woman take it or leave it. I have to pass on a lot of guys on dating sites because while they may be “hot” their personality doesn’t mesh with mine or they’re just the type to take advantage of a successful woman.
[–]Lotus_82 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I’d be a little bit worried if I was being offered dating advice from someone with the word loner in their username lol
😂 I see you had a lot to contribute here
I prefer to be alone than settle ✌️
[–]LoudGuest4028 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sounds like you’re living the dream. I just never knew so many girls only looking for sex
[–]burncushlikewood 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Huh I have the opposite problem, key is after you hook up with her you wait for her to contact you! Play hard to get after you hook up she'll come back for more. Also it could be the sex, if it's awkward and bad she won't want to anymore
[–]Sultmaker_9000 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
They're just after a validation dick usually, can't do much about it. The earliest you should message them back is a week later if there's any chance, and trying to withhold it won't make a difference, because she's not after that.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So you mean instead sending message day after wait a week and then send it? Isn’t to late?
[–]Sultmaker_9000 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Whether you got lucky because of her emotional state, or which part of her cycle she was on, she saw you as alpha in that moment, and you don't message back early for that reason.
Maybe the type of girls you are attracting just want one night stands. If you just want hookups, then whats the problem? If you want a girlfriend you need to change things up.
[–]RegretAccomplished69 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think you’re coming on too strong after the first date and scaring them off
[–]RazerHey 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bruh, stop texting them.After a good night don't text. SIMPLE. Especially if you really like them because if they feel the same they'll come back. I know it's backwards but girls react in the most foolish ways due to some unwritten rule and fear or rejection etc
[–]Bogzbony 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I guess you're talking about girls that you meet online. You should not think about it and just let things go.
They don't want to meet up again? Fine, take it easy and go on. Meet other girls, online or IRL. Do not waste your time thinking about stuff that can't be answered. You want to know why they don't want to meet you again? Ok, ask them but how will you know if the reason is true? Some will come back to you weeks, months or even years later to meet up again, some will not, some will be attracted and up for long term relationship. She doesn't want to meet you again? Fine, said it was good time (if it is the case) and move on. If it happens all time it means that they are not interested in you because of something in your behaviour and you will have to work on it but heh, who knows?
[–]Birkanx2 points 4 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
girls just wanna have fun
[–]GrandRub 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
but when OP is good at sex - they usualy want to have MORE fun
[–]Mephaala 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hmm it's a bit strange to me that you're trying to establish a long-term relationship after something that looks like a ons. Usually people who are looking for a committed relationship get to know each other first before they jump to bed, so girls who are willing to have sex with you on the first date aren't probably looking for a long-term partner. If you're looking for something more than maybe you should a) try apps that are focused around matching people based on personalities and what kind of relationship they're looking for (I personally found success with okcupid) b) state it clearly in your bio, that you're not looking for ons.
[–]Shadow__Account 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I rarely sleep with someone on the first date and I rarely have girls not wanting to meet up after we slept together. So I really think that seems to be the big difference with you. I also have my doubts, don't take it personal because I obviously don't know you, about you creating a deep connection with the girls, because if you did you won't get rid of them that easily. If you want more than sex from these girls, make it about that, so make the time together be about getting to know her and connecting. You can't really know someone within one date, so basically your attraction and sex on the first date also can't be about or based on someones personality and character traits you really appreciate.
[–]APacNinja90 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The sex sucks
[–]FIVE_6_MAFIA 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's because you aren't good in bed. It doesn't matter how long you make them wait for sex, if the sex isn't good then the result will be the same
[–]TheSmellOfOnions 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You bad at sex
How old are you? They probably don’t see you mature enough for whatever reason
Maybe you should stop sleeping with them on the first date.
[–]JetPillar 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol how are you being used? If the sex was mutually agreed on, they owe you nothing. Not another date, another hook up or another chance. If having easy sex makes you feel used, stop doing it.
If you want a deep relationship don’t open up with sex. Start small and maybe 3rd or 4th date work towards the bedroom after you learn about them to know what would set them apart in bed from the rest
[–]TastyOpossum09 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Take sex off the table right away. You don’t have to talk about it but if things are going well and you’re headed for the usual one night stand just tell them you don’t do one night stands. If the girl is just looking for one and done then that will be it and you’ll know it wasn’t you. If she’s interested in more you’ll have a second date.
[–]eatout2helpout 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
sounds like the girls just want to have fun and if you were chossen by them to have fun with then your a lucky man,if you're looking for a woman to have a relationship with then the women to look for are the ones who won't fuck you on the first date or second
[–]harvey_croat 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I remember my friend always asking me: What do YOU want? If told him I want relationship then on dating clearly communicate that and don't waste your time on wrong person.
[–]LakersAreTerrible25 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Most of the women I've been with I've fucked on the first or second encounter. What I'm thinking is you're coming across as too needy and as we all know women despise that. Even simple texts like saying you had a good time often makes you look bad to most women. Get to know the woman, but she should be doing some of the pursuing and most of the talking. Especially after you've fucked for the first time, that investment is already made on her part at that point. Which makes modern dating extremely tricky and you have to be diligent with everything you say/do.
[–]bandsupjay 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ur sex is trash or you get attached too quickly and validate them.
[–]DryAdhesiveness6579 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
are you just trash in bed ? That has to be what it is ?
Stop sleeping with girls on the first date, even if they want to.if they refuse to meet you inspite of this,then it makes sense not to think about it.
[–]SharkTrainer 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe your dick is too big dude
[–]QM9999 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Bro do this. Before you do the act call another girl and make plans for the next day. Create your high value status. Her perspective will change when you have a abundance mentality
[–]Fooking-Degenerate 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think regularly having ONS count as abundance mentality
[–]Thest0rm_99 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If the dick is that good, she will come back. Im sorry, I dont wanna hurt your feelings but women will not be honest about a thing like that.
You may also be coming off as needy or insecure when you tell them off rip that you wanna see em again. It may just be better to send you girls home after doing the deed and not even mention the possibility of meeting up again or having a further relationship. Women want a challenge and a man they dont know where they stand with, so if you leave things ambiguous, her hamster wheel will spin about why you arent hitting her up or why you didnt plan a second thing with her.
[–]obamainmypajama -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Ok ok I have another way of looking at this, maybe OP is a hot ass mf, and the chicks who sleep with him think he is very sexy and they don't expect a call in return. But this mf shows up again and tries to extend their whatever fling/relationship thing. And when he does that he comes off as needy and makes them think 'this guy better not be getting a lot of pussy if he texts every girl he meets to see them again'.
Kinda like a mixture of all the theories bring presented by our fellow seduction sub redditors.
[–]testing35 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My favourite 🤣 Thank you, fellow Nihilist!
[–]Jamesdoink -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
🤷 women
Tbh guys are truly not better like we ghost, we don't communicate, we are sometimes sloppy, it's really both genders that have their idiosyncrasies.
[–]ll1896 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ha I’m a girl dealing with this so it really is all about finding the right person, I’m a sexual person & made it clear I don’t care about waiting if there’s a connection. Always get complimented for my straightforwardness, and then nothing.
[–]Sharp_Slide6806 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You might be trying to hard and chicks dont dig that.
[–]doonietunes 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
u never know what she got going on. this happened to me before and it turns on she was cheating on her baby daddy. 🤦🏽♂️
[–]qazxsw134 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe consider where you’re meeting them. For example tinder? May not be the best option for finding a relationship since it mostly used for hookups. If a relationship is what you are seeking than you should make it clear to them before the date. I also wouldn’t push to fast into having sex the first date either maybe wait a while. If not having sex with a stranger on their first time meeting is a big deal to them then they’re probably not the kind of girl you’re looking for.
Then why try sleeping with them? 🤣
[–]Docarky 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Same problem for me bro, usually with Tinder dates…but some girls can wait up to the second date or even third… I think is more of a problem finding a girl to settle down… its funny but girl just want to fuck
[–]SebastianPatel 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
lol how does it go to sex so far if u struggle to meet up with women? Can you give an example of how one of ur first dates turns into sex? Like are u going to dinner or what are u doing? Drinks? As others have stated, you might be giving off the vibe as a one-night stand type of guy.
[–]shayan931 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ask the women for serious advice ? :P. Maybe some of them will tell you the real reason
[–]The_iron_mill 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It could be that there just isn’t a connection. What do you tend to talk about on dates? I don’t think connections are any deeper or less deep if you bang on the first date based on my experience, but you shouldn’t be having sex just because you’re afraid you won’t see someone again. There’s nothing wrong with not having sex with someone if you’re worried that it’ll lead to a different outcome than you want.
Alternatively, maybe it’s a mix of different things; maybe some of them didn’t feel a connection, maybe some of them realized they just aren’t ready for a relationship, maybe some of them were using you? Not that that one has a satisfying answer but if you continue working on yourself and trying to be the best version of yourself, it’ll get better.
[–]MephistosFallen 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Stop having sex on the first date. Because there’s multiple things that can be happening, and letting them actually get to know you will help.
Some women will sleep with you because they think you expect it. If that is the case, they won’t want to see you again.
Some women will sleep with you because they want some free food and drinks and some dick. Then they move on because they had their fix.
Some women may not have felt anything besides a sexual connection, and therefore cut you off early instead of dragging on a relationship that isn’t going to work.
Some women will sense there being no chemistry during sex, and will move on to find someone they have chemistry with.
Some women will judge you for how good you are in bed the first time, and if you are not making sure she is taken care of and therefore not as good in bed as you may think, they’re going to move on.
You have to actually get to know them before you have sex. You should wait for the third date at the least and see if that changes anything. It will at least give you an idea of what may be the issue. If you’re not sleeping with them and they still don’t wNt second or third dates, you guys just don’t mesh. If they’re into you for three dates, you have sex and then they are not interested anymore, then there’s probably something wrong happening in the sex department.
Hope this helps.
[–]Dredge-100 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Go buy some Ching a Ling pills pop one. Have sex then let us know how your luck changes
[–]AdPsychological1252 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I do the same thing to girls when the sex was bad...
If it just wasnt that hot or no chemistry...I never see them again.
A woman has to like a man to sleep with him..
A man has to like a woman to sleep with her again...
[–]morphiusn 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Some girls just want to bang and not being called a slut for it, so they lie they want a relationship. I mean they would probably think about it if you had million dollars and lambo, but good looking average Joes sometimes are used for fun only. Just like guys use girls. I noticed most girls act the same on tinder (sex and ghost or want fwb) and if you meet girl off tinder they usually looking for LTR. Honestly just have fun and don't look too much into it, eventually one will fall for you.
[–]Orlha 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
First world problems
[–]medinilla 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think it’s better to try and have a courtship phase before having sex if you want a relationship, so that you can bond a little first. There should be time for anticipation to build, so that being physically intimate feels more special. Good luck.
[–]ImmigratedPharaoh 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Personally speaking, I waited a whole month (or even a bit more) since my first date with my current girlfriend before having sex with her. Before our first sex, we went out 5-7 times (Yes I know, a bit too much) but I wanted to make it clear to her that I'm not there for an ONS and I'm really interested in her as a person and willing to wait till the right moment.
One month after our first date, I told her I'll make (her favorite dish) at home and I'm inviting her for a dinner at my place. She accepted it and it was one of the most unforgettable nights in my life up till now.
During those 5-7 hangouts with her, I didn't try to escalate too much, but I also didn't leave a single date without a bit of escalation. (Physically, verbally, etc.)
*I'm no expert AT ALL, but this worked well for me and later on she told me that my approach was quite good and decent.
We both are 24.
[–]tyalanm 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Wow what an amazing story. Why was the night you had dinner at your place after a month of dating so special?
[–]ImmigratedPharaoh 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks man. I'd say, 1. delayed gratification 2. level of connection 3. emotions we have developed for each other over that +1 month of dating.
As for the night, first of all, I planned for what we'll eat (I'm not an expert in cooking at all), watched videos on YT, bought wine, deserts, etc. -> She knew that it wasn't an easy task for me at all and of course, she appreciated the effort.
Later that night, we kept making love till the morning except for 3 hours of sleeping in between. :=)
On another note, Intimacy with someone who you actually like, connected to, can have long deep conversations with, enjoy your time with, etc. is a completely different thing than just "having sex" with a random hookup. A day and night difference for me.
Pretty much that's it. Up till now, we are still quite passionate and all (although we have been living together for a while) but yet, that first night was something else.
[–]PoopFrostedCake 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Omg I have a very relevant story to this. This happened to a buddy of mine in college that every girl he slept with never talked to him again. He and I had slept together drunkenly one night and I remembered it being good so I told him that. We decided, Hey! Why don’t we just become friends w benefits? We’ve slept together before, it was good for both of us, we’re already friends, why not? So we left the bars, went home excitedly with our newfound solution, and had sex.
It. Was. Terrible. I immediately understood why those prior girls ghosted. I came to realize the only reason it must’ve been good before was bc of me and my drunken ambitions. Afterwards, I too immediately ended our sexual relationship. Shameful as it was, I just couldn’t.
The girls may be telling you it’s not bad, but they could be just trying to save your feelings.
[–]appmanga 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Im (sic) always trying to create deep connection with my dates.
I'm not going to read through the ton of comments to see if someone else has told you this, but I hope they have: sometimes a girl is just looking to get laid. They're not looking for any more connection than connecting your dick to their vagina.
To be honest I feel used because this happens me a lot.
Somewhere out there is a woman who's laughing her ass off and singing "Cry Me A River".
[–]willgo-waggins 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Have you considered that either they are involved already and just looking for D (surprisingly common today)? I have a young one right now that I am 110% certain is married but won’t admit it. She can only get together every other week on specific nights and when we had just finished several hours fucking the other night she gets a call from her “mom” (with a very deep voice - lol!) and is talking about yeah she working an overnight shift.
The other requires some objective personal examination. Are you really working to make sure that the woman is satisfied in this encounter? I very rarely don’t have even the ones who are very obviously staying “anonymous” not want to get together again. Think through how the sessions have gone and ask yourself is she really satisfied or not and you may find an answer.
Have you ever asked the girls afterwards why they don't want to meet you again? Just ask an honest explanation. I have gotten one many times after I've assured the women that I don't mind them telling the truth and it will help me develop myself if they tell.
> It just seems they used me as I’m above average looking guy.
Yes. Men aren't the only people who use other people just for having sex without any strings attached. Women also do that and they have the right for that as much as we do.
Maybe the girls were expecting too much from you if you're 9/10 or 10/10?
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