Q4ALL: What is wrong with being a beta?

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2017-04-13T15:51:21+00:00

being "beta" is only "wrong" if your GOAL is the upper hand. it puts the man in the secondary position in a relationship with a woman. this affects both the sex life and the respect life of the man. many beta trait heavy men live in good dad familial love relationships with bossypants mommy moo cow women and their children, have sex on holidays, their birthday and anniversary and just live with a wife who rolls her eyes at him and gives him honey-do lists.

DemonReachWarden · 2017-04-13T15:40:45+00:00

If you're a beta as a young man, you will never experience an egalitarian relationship. You will always be subservient to women, even if you somehow get into a relationship, which most young betas don't.

As an older, married man, you will likely be browbeaten while married, and eventually divorced because she isn't 'feeling it' anymore, after using up your best years to pay for children that might not even be yours.

These are the apocalyptic scenarios, the absolute worst outcomes (Barring literal accusation of marital rape and resulting legal outcomes) but there are plenty of horrible, non-apocalyptic scenarios that are worth avoiding.

I'd rather be actively desired and appreciated and loved, than tolerated, put up with, and discarded when no longer useful.

Wouldn't you?

figthief · 2017-04-13T15:32:56+00:00

Alphas get sex with more regularity without commitment. This is what most men want, or at least the option of this.

says_harsh_things · 2017-04-13T15:35:45+00:00

Didnt this question just get asked a few days ago? I feel like even the wording was the same.

Anyway, is it not obvious?

A girl writes an article aboit how shes dating a guy thats great on paper, and they have a life together, but he bores her. Some other guy comes along and hes wrong for her, but shes still excited by him, sexually attracted to him, and wants to be with him instead knowing that it will make her life uncomfortable to give up the support of her boyfriend.

Which woud any guy rather be?

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2017-04-13T16:02:59+00:00

An alpha seems to be very boring.

TRP stemlosers concept of alpha is a teetotalling stoic cubicle jockey with a job and a boss

in reality alpha men act like hot BPD blonde chicks and are the farthest thing from boring, they make women insane

BiggerDthanYou · 2017-04-13T15:41:43+00:00

That's just an side effect of different people using different definitions of those words.

For some alpha refers dominance and leadership and beta to submission or cooperation, for others alphas are thugs and warlords while betas are well adjusted, for others literally every trait they personally like is alpha and all bad ones beta.

So often when people say that being beta is bad they actually refer to omegas or just to their pre-TRP self. One does not need to be an fat asocial doormat nice guy without any sexual strategy in order to be beta, but that's how it is often used.

So any guy that has a backbone and self respect, doesn't dress like a kid, takes regular showers, can tie his shoes, does sports or goes to the gym, has a social life and can talk to women without dropping his spaghetti will be regarded as alpha by some although for others these things can also be true for betas as well.

DarkLord0chinChin · 2017-04-13T16:17:23+00:00

No respect

UA_Hammer · 2017-04-13T16:37:06+00:00

The getting laid less part

prodigy2throw · 2017-04-13T15:56:16+00:00

What is it about being beta that you like?

Macheako · 2017-04-13T17:07:21+00:00

An alpha seems to be very boring.

How the hell would you know if you've never done it? lol You gotta at least TRY, and I mean fucking try lol before you can say it IS boring. You said "seems" though, so fair enough, but how about you provide a couple reasons as to WHY ya think it's boring lol

Or hey, you can have someone else do all the work. I mean, that is beta status at its finest lol. Being unable to help or provide for others because you would rather choose to indulge in your own weakness and selfishness in life, devoting all your time to meaningless causes, and wasting an entire life away for trivial ends, only to wind up at your death bed in utter contempt at yourself because of terrible choices and all the pain you're selfish lifestyle has inflicted upon others, and for no other reason than "you didn't give a fuck about anyone but yourself".

I mean, that's one reason not to be beta lol xD

buttlollipop · 2017-04-14T01:09:32+00:00

It depends on who you talk to, as to the definition of "beta." Some RPW refer to "high beta" as an attractive man who is a "family man"- ie: the perfect guy to marry. If a guy wants a family, "beta traits" like being comforting/compassionate/approachable are actually good, but of course if you have zero alpha traits (which to my understanding are anything that creates visceral sexual attraction) that's not good either.

My husband, I think, is the perfect mix. He's not afraid to be vulnerable around me, he's cuddly, he's loving, he's kind, he isn't always trying to get the upper hand (likes an equal partnership). But he's also in great shape, confidant, and generally a masculine person. I suppose this is what they mean when they say "high beta" but because I'm not a red piller I think the whole terminology is kinda bogus.

goatismycopilot · 2017-04-13T17:29:56+00:00

I have no idea, I would much rather date a beta than an alpha, alphas are too drama prone, they play sketchy games, they are going to be juggling women and shit testing through dread game. I don't have time for that.

Littleknownfacts · 2017-04-13T15:30:45+00:00

Nothing wrong with being beta, you really only need a little touch of alpha to not be disgusting.

Talkytalktalk · 2017-04-13T16:03:33+00:00

Generally people treat betas worse, Take them for granted, treat them cruelly, don't value their opinions etc... if that's cool with u then you're all good.

bala-key · 2017-04-13T19:44:22+00:00

What is wrong with being a beta?

Shitty sex life.

AnnoyingSeaAnt · 2017-04-13T15:53:13+00:00

Social Weaklings tend to get rolled over by the social strong. See nerd culture being rolled over by feminists, lesser SJWs getting sacrified by local idols,and deep state eating Trump away.

Even if you aren't in political bullshit, being a doormat will get you used and abused.

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Unabummer80 · 2017-04-13T16:11:58+00:00

I take betas as being like the helpers for people who have a plan. So in this paradigm I see :

alphas as being responsible for creating, having ideas and making them happen while betas help.
alphas making the decisions whilst betas offer support for those decisions.

Through this, alphas have more power and are in control of their own lives. Betas are along for the ride. Therefore alphas are able to satisfy their own needs before betas and this leads to them being happier.

This can course through all aspects of your life. If you can't stand up for yourself at home, you might not be able to at work and you will struggle to get ahead. You will struggle to lead when called upon. You might not be able to handle confrontation.

You NEED other people to keep going.

Alpha types offer drive and creativity - the things we need to keep moving forward. Betas offer support and good team spirit. Unfortunately for them, support and a good team spirit are easy to find in this world so what they offer is not very valuable.

In extreme cases, betas only get what they're allowed to have. If shit goes wrong they get steamrollered .

SetConsumes · 2017-04-13T16:31:56+00:00

Totally depends on your perspective and goals.

With regards to women, being a beta will not make her viscerally want to fuck you. The sex a beta gets is exploitative sex designed to trap him into committing, offering marriage, and being her nest slave.

Whereas as alpha qualities with women turn them on, makes them want to fuck your brains out, or better, have you fuck their brains out, for the experience itself, and not necessarily for anything more.

But that's just for silly women.

For men, I can't trust betas. Basically. To put it most simply.

To me betas are ruled by their fear, they are not brave, so when shit hits the fan and a stressful fearful situation occurs, I don't reliably know that the beta can handle the pressure and won't run in fear.

Alphas are created through pain, suffering, and the resulting endurance is what enables their strength and bravery and aptitude to do whatever they want in their life, they more so know who they are and what they are and don't give a fuck about their inevitable haters. They are more reliable under pressure and you can better trust that they won't succumb to fear. However, the catch is that alphas being more powerful also makes them inherently riskier in that way.

SeemedGood · 2017-04-13T16:39:20+00:00

No man is one or the other. The Alpha and the Beta are archetypes that represent behavioral patterns that all men exhibit to one degree or another at one time or another.
I have noticed that the extent to which I exhibit beta behavioral tendencies is highly positively correlated with the frequency and intensity of negative feedback that I receive from all the women with whom I interact and the extent to which I exhibit alpha behavioral tendencies is highly positively correlated with the frequency and intensity of the positive feedback that I receive from all the women with whom I interact.
The only exception that I have experienced in my observations is in the development and maintenance of sales relationships with women in which I am the salesperson. Oddly enough, in that relationship role, I have found alpha tendency behavior to be extremely counter-productive and had the most striking success when I have been able to establish a long term Beta-oribter relationship with my women clients, inclusive of a very slight tinge of romantic adoration.

wtknight · 2017-04-13T17:23:05+00:00

Being an alpha seems like more work to me, constantly having to figure out how to lift lots of weight, keep frame, spin plates, play dread game and be the leader among a group of men. I'd much rather find a woman who likes betas, and not hang out with guys with whom being an alpha is considered important.

wholesomedude · 2017-04-13T19:02:03+00:00

People don't realize how easily women lose attraction to a guy when he starts showing beta behaviours. I can't tell you how many times I started dating a girl I shared mutual attraction with, who lost interest in me sooner or later because I let them become my purpose in life. It's something I'm still trying to fix about myself, but that's what's wrong with being a beta.

Dema2 · 2017-04-13T19:32:11+00:00

As a beta I got asked out more than I ask out and never was with a woman who treated me in a good way if she wasn't religious. As a semi alpha I have my choice and realize my own worth, which gives me more power on the market. It's my belief that people are raised to be betas or BPers since they exist in controlled masculinity. Alphas and Sigmas are a threat to the liberal paradise.

FEZwithWhiteGirls · 2017-04-14T07:57:13+00:00

What is wrong with being a beta? Everyone will despise you. Even if quietly or behind your back. Men, women, kids, everyone. In the primitive sense, you are weak and not benefiting the tribe. Also, the idea that being an alpha is 'boring' is absurd. It is the complete opposite. It's the very reason men who don't have a screw loose want to be alphas.

Sunhappy_DC · 2017-04-13T15:28:19+00:00

nothing is wrong with being a beta. maybe like 80% of women specifically want and go after betas. and are successful with them.

the 20% of women who don't are probably xNFx or xNTx

soccerstar77 · 2017-04-13T17:46:29+00:00

Are you a man or a woman?

UhKhat · 2017-04-13T18:12:36+00:00

I honestly don't get this whole 'alpha', 'beta', 'omega' obsession. The only time I've come across it, other than here and TRP, is in like werewolf fan fiction or something! It's weird! Literally the first two links that come up when you google it are kink tropes in fan fiction...

Why do you guys feel such a need to be categorised? To me it's fucking boring and illogical to be 'one' thing at all times. Also, what you guys term an 'alpha' male, seems not to be all that admirable to me. I often think men that defy social assumptions of who they are with/what they want to do in life are more attractive. Some examples: men who are with taller women; objectively attractive men or financially successful men that have wives/girlfriend who most would deem not 'hot' enough; men who dedicate their lives to caring for animals (anyone seen the Supervet?!)...These men are not really alphas by the TRP definition right? But they are more attractive because of it, to me.

If we have to make the argument, then in the animal kingdom, being an Alpha comes with a lot of bad stuff, as well as good. Being right at the bottom of the pecking order is obviously shitty. Being in the middle seems like the obvious place to want to be most of the time. But we are human beings, capable of great complexity and mutability, and putting ourselves into such boxes seems so limiting.

If you want to walk around telling yourself you're an Alpha or a Beta or whatever, and looking at others and categorising them as well, then go ahead. But it's a weird thing to be doing, imo....

winterrider · 2017-04-13T21:41:17+00:00

It is horrible. A true beta male is not sexually attractive to women. They may date or even marry him because he is a "good guy" but they aren't truly attracted to him and don't really respect him.

I was very blue pill and very beta in my younger days, not surprisingly every woman thought I was a great catch, wonderful person, nice guy, etc but none of them had any sexual interest in me. In fact I was an incel.

When I discovered pickup and became more alpha, stopped being beta and stopped orbiting, when I started to conquer my inner game and outer game, women actually started to look at me in a sexual manner.

despisedlove2 · 2017-04-14T01:46:34+00:00

Nothing. Betas are the most socially responsible of creatures. Civilization would be impossible without us.

An alpha is a waste of space, of use only at wartime, and to women. Otherwise, best locked up securely in a prison.

midnightvulpine · 2017-04-14T10:24:21+00:00

Nothing, as long as you're content with your life.

Apexk9 · 2017-04-15T02:26:32+00:00

Why would you like someone to control your life

Title	Q4ALL: What is wrong with being a beta?
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