As with previous posts discussing how mainstream "leaders" of the TRP movement being largely scammers, it becomes obvious that MGTOW has a higher level of utility for average beta males than TRP "leaders".

Im talking about true MGTOW not incels pretending to be MGTOWs.

MGTOW:

  1. Has all the same concepts of TRP for gender dynamics
  2. Tells men to optimize themselves but is REALISTIC about the legal ramifications of marriage, affirmative action, etc where it states men should "opt out" as much as possible due to being a rigged game
  3. Realistically admits most beta males won't be in the top 10% of men based on physique/looks/status and has a realistic method of managing this. It doesn't bullshit men with some PUA nonsense about "confidence" overcoming all.
  4. Focuses on the male rather than the female. It doesn't revolve around picking up women or playing into gender roles for women in America 2020. Chasing women like a monkey often demeans the male and strengthens the female's superiority complex.

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TRP:

  1. Has good gender dynamics knowledge on hypergamy, AF/BB, etc
  2. Tells everyone to "do the work" (Rich Cooper) but is overly optimistic on how much most beta males can improve. Most beta males can improve income/status/physique to SOME degree but mostly won't be in the top 10%.

Telling someone to "work out and make money" won't magically transform them into a fitness model or Specialist Physician. These are VERY competitive fields that most beta males won't attain regardless.

Most beta men can only become "high beta" at best but never be a real alpha in terms of spinning plates.

To achieve a "top level physique": Need to take multiple steroids (usually with harsher compounds such as Trenbolone) with obvious health implications, work out constantly and diet. Nearly impossible to maintain for a long period of time especially if one has a top level career as well. Less than 3% of men will achieve this with any consistency.

Top level 6 figure professional: Takes DECADES of consistent hard work. Specialist physician is 10+ years of hard slogging work, 80+ hour weeks/etc, top lawyer/MBA is a pyramid scheme with VERY long hours, etc. Less than 3% chance for men to achieve this. Good luck doing that and getting a "top level physique" on top of it. Add in AFFIRMATIVE action for women and minorities, most of these positions have become nearly impossible for a heterosexual millenial male to achieve.

Genetics: 6 feet and facial looks cant be changed much outside of maybe leaning out.

Chances of achieving all of this is above top is less than 1%

  1. Pushes "confidence" to sell Soap, Conferences, etc to give beta males a false sense of hope in achievement to transform into "alphas" based on confidence and other BS. "Confidence" works only for alphas who have the status/income/physique/etc.

If you look at most "TRP leaders", they are clearly NOT alphas but just pretending to be alpha. Its actually pathetic watching the loser dudes at the 21 convention or equivalents bragging about "spinning plates" and other BS which is clearly false. None of those dudes have high status/high paying jobs with a good physique yet claim to be "alphas". Being a fake "alpha" is useless and counterproductive.

  1. There are VERY few women who are worth the "squeeze" in modern America 2020. Most are obese, blue haired, angry feminists, etc. Is it worth working really hard for decades (the effort needed to become a 6 figure plus professional such as physician, top lawyer, top MBA, etc) for the quality of modern American women? Further, what is the end goal outside of potentially sleeping with them? Marriage clearly isn't a good option. The vast majority of men won't be able to get a "unicorn".

A large reason for the TRP hatred of MGTOW is they admit most betas wont achieve this. If MGTOWs say they won't achieve this and should "opt out", TRP scammers can't really make money on lectures/books/soap/etc.

TRP had some good initial concepts in the mid to late 2000s but it appears for the 2012s and further, MGTOW has surpassed TRP in real world utility for beta males.