As a woman I detest that now learning how to stand up for yourself is somehow "victim blaming". It's keeping us in this antiquated gender role pedestal that we're all vulnerable helpless maidens and the strong man is the only one who can be counted on to make choices while we just sit back and let things happen to us. Yeah, it can be hard to communicate, and you can feel weak or awkward or pressured. Learn to speak up and get out of situations. That's your responsibility, you can't expect the world to change so you're never uncomfortable again.
I would agree with you on so many other of these accusations, but for some reason this Aziz story has been the first to make me feel something. I know what it's like to be young and put in a sexual setting with a rich/famous/powerful man. It's scary, surreal, and paralyzing.
I have had many encounters like this, and that's why I would go long periods of celibacy, because sex never felt good. I thought I was asexual. It's only until now, at 24, that I met a man who was completely respectful, that I was able to finally enjoy sex. I don't think young women really know how to respond to sex since it's so much more different for us than for men. I always just let them do whatever because I thought it was me who was defective (no, it turns out I was just unaroused).
I've been on the same wavelength of, well that's life, and you shouldn't put yourself in these situations, and you should speak up. I agree, and I do, now. But it took being assaulted multiple times to garner that courage.
I had a situation a couple of years ago. A boy I knew for a couple of years was back in town, we dated a little here and there, it was always sexual. I knew he just wanted me for sex, and it was fine. I invited him over to my house. He tried penetrating me without a condom when I made it very clear that was NOT okay. I said NO. He still kept trying, he put his hand on my mouth to make me shut up, he was super aggressive and left me bleeding with bruises.
He was black so I didn't want to report it and ruin his life. I knew I would get over it eventually. But when he texted me the next day I made him meet up with me to apologize, and I explained to him how what he did was wrong. He seemed to think that I "wanted" it for some reason (like I had a rape fantasy). I don't know. But I tried to educate him on how it made me feel, so he just wouldn't do it again. And something got through to him. So I think it comes down to education.
It's just interesting to me. How one man (my boyfriend) is able to discern cues, while it seems the rest of them can't. I don't believe it. I think they are taking advantage of our inability to say something and going with it. IT's obvious when a woman isn't enjoying it. Seriously. Every time sex has hurt and I've felt violated thats because I was dry as a bone. That's a pretty big cue, no? Y'all just ignored that one.
It just seems like the majority of men don't get it. And that is sort of a problem. Men should be at least educated on the basics of female arousal so they can discern better.
Why completely disregard the concept of physical communication? if a girl is just laying there motionless she's probably dissociated from the entire thing. that's what I used to do (and Grace also described doing this). Just escape my body because I just wanted it to be over as I couldn't even stand being there mentally.
the whole celebrity element seems to be awfully overlooked. I think she would've left much quicker if he wasn't one. it's hard to offend and reject a celebrity.
So you engaged in activities suited only for adults
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I am by every other measure an adult woman. I live and work "assertively." I am from NYC. Been on my own since I was 18. I'm highly independent and self-sufficient, and have worked hard enough over the years to be able to work for myself by 24.
But I am an artist, and unfortunately creatives fields are ripe for sexual abuse. I don't think the men I've been with were scumbags at all. I'm highly selective of who I choose to sleep with.
You clearly haven't had enough sexual experience to understand the complex nuances of physical intimacy.
What could she take to the police? Even going by her own account of events, it still doesn't sound to me as though Ansari did anything wrong. I mean, shit, if a dude points at his dick, and you suck it, then that's on you, not him, unless he's a wizard or something.
"Power difference"? If I were a woman, I'd be insulted by the notion that I'm so weak-willed that I can't even walk out of a house while not being physically restrained.
If you're looking to hookup on a date say before you go back "Lets go to my apartment, do blah blah blah, oh and then have sex". If you're looking to be in a long term relationship with this person my best advice would be to not have sex at all on the first few dates.
There is nothing “temporary” about this. There is a growing army of white knights that think they are going to impress women with their feminism. These white knights are going to keep feminism in power until civilization has been destroyed.
proof that women are angry, temporarily powerful—and very, very dangerous
That’s sounds really sexist and hateful dude. Men’s rights isn’t about putting men above women, it’s about equal rights which is inherently involved with improving the rights of both men and women, and getting equal treatment.
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She's literally saying "you should have realized I wasn't into you while I was sucking on your penis."
Like, I know people can send mixed signals, but that's a doozie right there.
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I think what /u/WackyWarrior is saying is that you could enter consent on the app, then change your mind, then engage with the other person.
Changing your mind the next day isn't rape, and for what it's worth isn't what she claims happened.
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Well what I'm saying is that you don't need to update the app to have withdrawn consent
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What if it was a pre and post consent form, where they signed right before and right after with a lawyer and notary present through the entire event?
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As a woman I detest that now learning how to stand up for yourself is somehow "victim blaming". It's keeping us in this antiquated gender role pedestal that we're all vulnerable helpless maidens and the strong man is the only one who can be counted on to make choices while we just sit back and let things happen to us. Yeah, it can be hard to communicate, and you can feel weak or awkward or pressured. Learn to speak up and get out of situations. That's your responsibility, you can't expect the world to change so you're never uncomfortable again.
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I would agree with you on so many other of these accusations, but for some reason this Aziz story has been the first to make me feel something. I know what it's like to be young and put in a sexual setting with a rich/famous/powerful man. It's scary, surreal, and paralyzing.
I have had many encounters like this, and that's why I would go long periods of celibacy, because sex never felt good. I thought I was asexual. It's only until now, at 24, that I met a man who was completely respectful, that I was able to finally enjoy sex. I don't think young women really know how to respond to sex since it's so much more different for us than for men. I always just let them do whatever because I thought it was me who was defective (no, it turns out I was just unaroused).
I've been on the same wavelength of, well that's life, and you shouldn't put yourself in these situations, and you should speak up. I agree, and I do, now. But it took being assaulted multiple times to garner that courage.
I had a situation a couple of years ago. A boy I knew for a couple of years was back in town, we dated a little here and there, it was always sexual. I knew he just wanted me for sex, and it was fine. I invited him over to my house. He tried penetrating me without a condom when I made it very clear that was NOT okay. I said NO. He still kept trying, he put his hand on my mouth to make me shut up, he was super aggressive and left me bleeding with bruises.
He was black so I didn't want to report it and ruin his life. I knew I would get over it eventually. But when he texted me the next day I made him meet up with me to apologize, and I explained to him how what he did was wrong. He seemed to think that I "wanted" it for some reason (like I had a rape fantasy). I don't know. But I tried to educate him on how it made me feel, so he just wouldn't do it again. And something got through to him. So I think it comes down to education.
It's just interesting to me. How one man (my boyfriend) is able to discern cues, while it seems the rest of them can't. I don't believe it. I think they are taking advantage of our inability to say something and going with it. IT's obvious when a woman isn't enjoying it. Seriously. Every time sex has hurt and I've felt violated thats because I was dry as a bone. That's a pretty big cue, no? Y'all just ignored that one.
It just seems like the majority of men don't get it. And that is sort of a problem. Men should be at least educated on the basics of female arousal so they can discern better.
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Why completely disregard the concept of physical communication? if a girl is just laying there motionless she's probably dissociated from the entire thing. that's what I used to do (and Grace also described doing this). Just escape my body because I just wanted it to be over as I couldn't even stand being there mentally.
the whole celebrity element seems to be awfully overlooked. I think she would've left much quicker if he wasn't one. it's hard to offend and reject a celebrity.
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I am by every other measure an adult woman. I live and work "assertively." I am from NYC. Been on my own since I was 18. I'm highly independent and self-sufficient, and have worked hard enough over the years to be able to work for myself by 24.
But I am an artist, and unfortunately creatives fields are ripe for sexual abuse. I don't think the men I've been with were scumbags at all. I'm highly selective of who I choose to sleep with.
You clearly haven't had enough sexual experience to understand the complex nuances of physical intimacy.
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What could she take to the police? Even going by her own account of events, it still doesn't sound to me as though Ansari did anything wrong. I mean, shit, if a dude points at his dick, and you suck it, then that's on you, not him, unless he's a wizard or something.
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"Power difference"? If I were a woman, I'd be insulted by the notion that I'm so weak-willed that I can't even walk out of a house while not being physically restrained.
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If you're looking to hookup on a date say before you go back "Lets go to my apartment, do blah blah blah, oh and then have sex". If you're looking to be in a long term relationship with this person my best advice would be to not have sex at all on the first few dates.
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There is nothing “temporary” about this. There is a growing army of white knights that think they are going to impress women with their feminism. These white knights are going to keep feminism in power until civilization has been destroyed.
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You mean like Aziz?
hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately
he chose poorly
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Illegal. Can't use it in most states as evidence sorry fam.
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Nearly threw up at "splash zone".
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Wtf is your title?
That’s sounds really sexist and hateful dude. Men’s rights isn’t about putting men above women, it’s about equal rights which is inherently involved with improving the rights of both men and women, and getting equal treatment.
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