They also always say that women don't come forward for fear they won't be believed which just serves to give the accusers (the women) all the power because they get mad if you question a claim. If they actually are raped the person will be jailed we have the judicial system for a reason.
You mean the book that was written by a bunch of dudes that included large sections about the subservience of women? You mean that Bible? Don't know if that is helping your case much.
And my point is, given the rampant legitimate misogyny in the source material, maybe that's not exactly the best reference to make. I understand that point may be lost here.
Threat of punishment is not much of a crime deterrent. No message what so ever will be sent to the public. This girl was 17 at the time and likely knew next to nothing about crime and punishment.
She came forward and was ready to face the consequences. Some may want to come forward but don't want to face the consequences. If the consequences end up preventing someone from coming forward and changing their lie, then the answer would most certainly be yes, too heavy handed.
That is the conundrum, the judge is right. Its a balancing act, harsh sentence will stop more people coming forward.
Now what they should do is back that up with, if they are proven to be lying they receive the harsh sentence to deter these women from doing it in the first place.
punishing accusers is such a slippery slope. people get acquitted when they're guilty of sexual assault fairly often. what protects the survivors (both men and women) of sexual assault from those repercussions? i do believe that if you accuse someone of a crime and hard evidence proves that you lied intentionally you should be punished. idk it's such a slippery slope.
jesus not even a tl;dr? i'm not gonna read all this.
all i'm saying is there needs to be protections in place so people who didn't accuse falsely don't get punished. if you said that, i agree. if not, i don't.
yes they are, yes it can be. people identify as survivors because no one wants to be painted as a victim. why are you so pressed about what survivors choose to call themselves?
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They also always say that women don't come forward for fear they won't be believed which just serves to give the accusers (the women) all the power because they get mad if you question a claim. If they actually are raped the person will be jailed we have the judicial system for a reason.
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You mean the book that was written by a bunch of dudes that included large sections about the subservience of women? You mean that Bible? Don't know if that is helping your case much.
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And my point is, given the rampant legitimate misogyny in the source material, maybe that's not exactly the best reference to make. I understand that point may be lost here.
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Wtf what's wrong with slapping her arse? It's not like either of those actions could cause hee physical harm.
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Did she claim you did this before or after your divorce?
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WTF, both of those actions are often done affectionately towards one's spouse, hell I slap my girlfriends arse multiple times a day.
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Why not give a harsher sentence so "the message gets out" that you should not make false accusations?
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Threat of punishment is not much of a crime deterrent. No message what so ever will be sent to the public. This girl was 17 at the time and likely knew next to nothing about crime and punishment.
https://nij.gov/five-things/pages/deterrence.aspx
I'm not sure how to best fix this problem, but being too heavy handed will not fix it.
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She came forward and was ready to face the consequences. Some may want to come forward but don't want to face the consequences. If the consequences end up preventing someone from coming forward and changing their lie, then the answer would most certainly be yes, too heavy handed.
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People who make false accusations should be made to serve the same time if not more, that the victim served.
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That is the conundrum, the judge is right. Its a balancing act, harsh sentence will stop more people coming forward.
Now what they should do is back that up with, if they are proven to be lying they receive the harsh sentence to deter these women from doing it in the first place.
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punishing accusers is such a slippery slope. people get acquitted when they're guilty of sexual assault fairly often. what protects the survivors (both men and women) of sexual assault from those repercussions? i do believe that if you accuse someone of a crime and hard evidence proves that you lied intentionally you should be punished. idk it's such a slippery slope.
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jesus not even a tl;dr? i'm not gonna read all this.
all i'm saying is there needs to be protections in place so people who didn't accuse falsely don't get punished. if you said that, i agree. if not, i don't.
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yes they are, yes it can be. people identify as survivors because no one wants to be painted as a victim. why are you so pressed about what survivors choose to call themselves?
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