"Marriage is declining because men are pigs."

TheDongerNeedsFood · 2016-03-25T19:38:09+00:00

I've never seen a male writer throw himself on his sword in an effort to please his feminist overlords with as much force and gusto as this guy just did.

reg8392748 · 2016-03-25T18:27:54+00:00

Any man who gets married today is risking his entire future on the whims of some female. Don't do it.

aesopstortoise · 2016-03-25T18:48:54+00:00

The writer of the Mother Jones article should be ashamed of himself. The article he cites is worth reading:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/marchaprilmay_2016/ten_miles_square/why_is_marriage_thriving_among059894.php?page=all

Here is a quote,

"The simplest explanation for why elites continue to marry at the same rates as they did in 1950, and why they have such high expectations for their children (if that is indeed a factor), is that the 1950s did not, in fact, ever end for them economically. It’s perhaps no coincidence that the only group for whom marriage rates have not declined is the one group for whom incomes have been rising."

TacticusThrowaway · 2016-03-25T19:43:47+00:00

I know, I know: #NotAllMen blah blah blah.

It's rare that you see a man "mansplaining" to other men. Oddly enough, most of those tend to be white knights.

probpoopin · 2016-03-25T20:12:15+00:00

I'd love for this author to tell me how women are getting the short end of the stick in marriage.

dungone · 2016-03-25T20:14:20+00:00

on the one dimension they're supposedly good for—being breadwinners—they frequently tend to screw up and get fired.

Well, you know the left has been lost when something like this appears in the pages of Mother Jones.

STEM_logic · 2016-03-25T20:12:41+00:00

I wonder if the author and most of the commenters are the same people who'll insist that feminism is just about equality and nothing to do with hating men...

jasonmiles2014 · 2016-03-25T20:08:26+00:00

This guy is in the early running for Mangina of the Year.

Now he awaits patiently for some chick to throw some appreciation pussy at him for being such a hero. What a pathetic fuck.

blueoak9 · 2016-03-25T22:39:16+00:00

"They're tired of putting up with all the crap they get from men, and so they're opting out. "

Um, they're not the ones who are opting out. https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/

ThreeLF · 2016-03-25T19:28:57+00:00

This is the most misandrist article I've ever read.

returnofthemack2 · 2016-03-25T20:43:14+00:00

what a classist article...yeah only college educated men are worthy of being a husband

bertreapot · 2016-03-26T02:15:07+00:00

They'll opt back in when men start to pull their own weight. There's no telling when that's going to start happening.

Maybe men not "pulling their own weight" has more to do with the fact that it is increasingly difficult to make a decent wage without a college degree, whereas in the 1950s you could. Also, since the sexual revolution of the 1960s, neither men nor women have to wait till marriage to have sex, which means commitment can be postponed indefinitely. Also the fact that women are in the workplace now (which I don't think is a bad thing), meaning they're not forced to marry at 25 or else live life as a spinster.

Lastly, women greatly exceed men as college graduates, yet still expect to marry men more successful than them. That is just not how ratios work. You have more women fighting over less men, rather than making do with good enough.

WhiteThrone · 2016-03-25T23:20:37+00:00

It couldn't possibly be that marriage is on the decline because women are becoming evermore intolerable to be married to ...

Mitthrawnuruodo1337 · 2016-03-25T22:32:46+00:00

Nothing has changed much about that. It's still a bad deal for an awful lot of women, but cultural mores and economic imperatives have changed, and that means more women can afford to do what's right for themselves and stay unmarried these days.

That must be why all the complaints in the media come from men who can't find good wives, since the women are all happy with not marrying as it improves their lives. Oh, wait, no... it's mostly women who write all those articles. So his reasoning when applied to real world empirical data would conclude that marriage is actually on average more of a bum deal for... drum roll... the men.

chortle-guffaw · 2016-03-26T01:36:45+00:00

Women have always wanted to marry "up" for financial security. These days, with more women getting degrees, non-degreed women can't compete landing a guy with a degree.
In 1960, if a women couldn't land a college guy or a skilled labor guy, she could at least get a guy with a well-paying factory job. They could raise a family on one income, had job security, and could look forward to a decent retirement pension. These days, unskilled worker guy is not such a great catch. He's two paychecks from living in his car and worried about getting laid off.
The stigma of being single is gone. People don't marry as much just to fit in.
Men are getting smarter about what a bad deal marriage (and divorce) can be for men. Well, not the young 20-somethings, they're still dumb as shit and think they know everything. But, they're staying single long enough to grow up and learn from the mistakes of others.
Even today the vast majority of marriage proposals are by men. If marriage is down, maybe it's because men are not asking.

Colori · 2016-03-25T22:56:56+00:00

They can LITERALLY go fuck themselves. That is quite honestly the path they are headed towards.

btwinch · 2016-03-26T06:27:53+00:00

Marriage is declining because men are getting robbed by their ex-wives in alimony and other "compensation".

scanspeak · 2016-03-25T20:53:34+00:00

That rag has it completely backwards. Women still want to marry. it's men who are choosing to go their own way, typically because women are entitled pigs and the state is breeding them.

EgoandDesire · 2016-03-25T19:12:03+00:00

I see MotherJones is starting to get into the clickbait business as well. Into the trash it goes!

iongantas · 2016-03-26T02:43:40+00:00

How unfortunate that feminism has caused a decline in the percentage of college educated men.

Lrellok · 2016-03-25T22:34:45+00:00

OKEY, so the washington post does an article suggesting a strong class divide in marriage rates supported by data and evidence, and this twat goes "Nonono, Its because men fail at everything, because my narratives." Way to fail at arguing.

Mitschu · 2016-03-25T22:19:10+00:00

Two alternative headlines to consider:

Marriage is declining because men are tired of being called pigs.

Men are becoming "pigs" because of how low marriage has fallen.

And a third:

If men are pigs, then only because we prefer the company of sows to that of modern women.

(Bet that gets called out as sexism.)

derpylord143 · 2016-03-25T21:57:27+00:00

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ThePigmanAgain · 2016-03-25T23:52:02+00:00

The pig is a highly intelligent creature, so i guess they are partly right.

HugoWeaver · 2016-03-26T04:39:15+00:00

Written by a guy on a feminist website.

Wow. I am truly lost for words. He wrote it, then clicked submit thinking "I am going to get soooooooo much pussy for this" then gets pissed off when he STILL gets rejected.

TheDude41 · 2016-03-25T20:51:09+00:00

2016-03-25T20:04:03+00:00

The guy that wrote this is the ultimate mangina. He probably has daughters and is worried no guy is going to marry the idiots!

chamaelleon · 2016-03-26T03:38:21+00:00

I think it's because the institution of marriage has become too expensive and too socially obligatory. The biggest part of why I never wanted to get married was because people seemed to be treating me like a failure for not being married, and I rebel against irrational social pressures like that. There have been other reasons as well, but that was probably the biggest counter-pressure for marriage to me. And from what I can gather from other men, it's similar for a lot of them too.

FFXIV_Machinist · 2016-03-25T20:19:50+00:00

im not married because every woman ive dated falls into one of these

Shamoo with Mad photoshop skills
Psycopath hellbent on turning me into an accessory
Ridiculously underdeveloped personality and mental fortitude.
more insecure than Flash

the reason people arent marrying you ladies is because of those four things.

If your a obese, loose some weigh. Rule of thumb: women shouldn't weigh over 150 unless they are exceedingly tall- over 5'7 - when i see a girl whos barely five feet tall but weighs almost as much as i do as a muscular 6'2 male, its pretty damn obvious as to why nobodys put a ring on it yet. there is no disease or ailment that makes you irreversibly fat, or incapable of being fit despite what facebook and buzzfeed tell you. caloric intake is a science- your body is not some magical thing that can break the laws of physics to just generate more mass without you putting that mass into your gullet. get on a treadmill and go forth at a vigorous pace (aka PROFUSE sweating- gasping for air vigorous), eat reasonable portions, put yourself into a caloric deficit while supplementing with vitamins. dont eat 6000 calories a day like your fucking usain bolt level of Olympic athlete - eat 1,200 - 1500 if you are sedentary, and 1500-1900 if you are active (i.e getting on the tredmil for 40 mins a day), and 2000-4000 if you are athlete status. you want to stuff your face all day? fine. work for it and you can have you cake and eat it too.
If you cant understand that your boyfriend isnt a trophy to brag about to your lady friends, you need to move onto a more casual lifestyle, and just sleep with whoever fits your fancy. you are the female version of a PUA. go find a PUA and have fun- more power to you.
if you can understand that codependency is bad, and why, you need to work on you. Learn some self reliance, learn some self discipline, learn how to fucking own your shit. no man wants a woman he has to wipe up after every day.
if you are insecure, that's not the mans fault. its your own. fix what makes you insecure. if its your finances, fix your finances, if its your weight, fix your weight, if its your man- get the fuck over it- hes not a legitimate thing to be insecure over unless hes being promiscuous, and if he is - know for sure thats whats happening, dont just assume because he didnt call you for the eighth time this week, that hes cheating on you.

ive had ten relationships in the last fourteen years. and only one of them i blame myself for not working out. one girl was right for me, and i wasn't mentally developed enough to handle it and ran like a bitch, because i still hadnt worked out items 2-4 for myself.

Johnsaysno · 2016-03-25T22:41:55+00:00

It might just be easier to get a woman pregnant, hope she doesn't kill it and pay min got required child support. That way men don't need to provide a roof over the head of the woman.

ACB-Chapstick · 2016-03-26T07:54:10+00:00

I rolled my eyes so hard that I think I've detached my retinas! The motherfucker who wrote that article couldn't be more wrong if his name was Wrongie W. Wrongenstein.

Flyllow · 2016-03-26T08:40:45+00:00

When I saw this was written by a guy I almost shit myself. What a pathetic loser.

Red_means_go · 2016-03-26T06:27:58+00:00

So this guy has daughters, cancer(that he wants to commit suicide over if he can't make it, although he's on many legal drugs), and he's a die hard liberal. Yeah, that all makes sense. And this is an article he wants to publish at this time of his life. Can I go help him with his suicide? What a piece of shit and loser. Way to further push the sexes towards a fight, and then politically you call others racist. You're not any better Mr. Drum. How can I contact him without coming across as a complete dick?

NUMBERS2357 · 2016-03-25T22:00:50+00:00

I normally like Kevin Drum - he even quoted me once in an article of his. But I don't get how people think "men are pigs" is some brave attack on gender roles - if anything, it's an embodiment of them.

It's also an embodiment of the conservative politics he hates: blaming poor people for their supposed moral failings rather than their surroundings fostering that behavior, resorting to gendered stereotypes to explain things, acting like stagnating income is men "screwing up and getting fired', elitism (college educated men not being abusive), etc.

This wouldn't be the first time supposedly liberal feminist ally with conservatives, or promote gender stereotypes, when it seems to help women.

Also, is there any evidence it's women pulling back? Seems just as likely it's men who don't want to get married as much anymore.

MisterDamage · 2016-03-25T20:36:59+00:00

Whistling as you walk past the graveyard.

RobDog101 · 2016-03-25T22:13:15+00:00

Wow that's not a fucking racist article at all.

androidbitcoin · 2016-03-26T12:48:14+00:00

Marriage is declining because SOME women are piglets. Just like a pig, but still has to suck milk from another pig.

CherriPi · 2016-03-26T14:14:39+00:00

My husband is working class and he is divine. I am more than proud of him. This article is a load of poo.

PerniciousOne · 2016-03-26T14:26:11+00:00

Gotta jump on the bandwagon saying all men are evil and should not be desired or wanted, except the writer he is a good guy, a valiant white knight willing to help out with housework and the children.

Ignores why many men do not want to get married anymore. Now that women do not need to stay married to you for long to get all the benefits of being married men are not willing to do it anymore.

wanderer779 · 2016-03-26T14:55:14+00:00

kind of funny to watch self described progressives blame the problems of the poor on the poor. When other groups such as blacks, women, etc. have a problem we look for systemic causes. But if there is a problem with men, (them not being useful to women), it is their fault. No investigation into the changes in the economy, education system, family court, etc. Just "men are pigs".

I have to wonder, why does it matter to progressives? Women are leaving poor men alone and living the fabulous independent lives they wanted all along. Why is this a problem? Why do they feeel a need to write articles trashing these guys? These guys aren't oppressing these gals anymore, so the feminists should be celebrating.

lidsville76 · 2016-03-26T14:55:30+00:00

My brain just threw up a little in its mouth.

cosmosv2 · 2016-03-26T17:03:24+00:00

The reason I don't get married is I don't want to be taken to the house by a woman that pretended to love me because I have nice things.

builder3 · 2016-03-27T14:53:53+00:00

Yous would have more babies if you didn't abort 3,000 a day. Animals.

Title	"Marriage is declining because men are pigs."
Author	not_AtWorkRightNow
Upvotes	240
Comments	172
Date	March 25, 2016 5:57 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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