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63daddy · 2024-05-22T18:30:22+00:00

The problem is this is conflating absolute risk with relative risk.

The odds of being killed by a bear are rare because bear encounters are rare, most people never encountering a single wild bear their entire life, whereas most people encounter dozens of men every day.

In any given year, more people die slipping on the stairs than die free solo climbing. It doesn’t mean climbing up a flight of stairs or a more dangerous than free solo climbing. There are fewer free solo climbing deaths because most people don’t free solo climb, just as most people don’t encounter wild bears.

What one really needs to compare is the rate of harm per number of occurrences. How many women are harmed out of every 100,000 bear encounters vs every 100,000 encounters with men.

If women encountered wild bears as often as they encountered men, there would be a lot of dead women. Fortunately bear encounters are fairly rare so incidents of harm from bears is also rare.

WannabeLeagueBowler · 2024-05-22T17:36:43+00:00

That's your new reddit moderation team.

blackdahlialady · 2024-05-22T20:35:26+00:00

Man, fuck that. Stuff like that is why I left when women refuse. I merely pointed out that men are DV victims too and I was jumped all over. What's the point of saying that if you're going to say XYZ but? But nothing. XYZ the end.

No_Reaction_2168 · 2024-05-22T18:27:17+00:00

Not all women unalive their kids, but enough do. We can't see which ones do so we have to be careful of each and every one of them.

Is it sexist? No, because it apparently isn't sexist to say all men are dangerous either.

Queasy_Chicken_5174 · 2024-05-22T18:30:53+00:00

Anybody that takes those statistics seriously and uses them unironically is demonstrating their illiteracy of math.

The error (or lie) behind these stats is the assumption that women encounter just as many bears in the wild as they do men.

To compare relative risk, you should calculate how many bear attacks occured per every 1,000 bear encounters, then compare it to how many male attacks occurred per 1,000 encounters.

If you were to use the same flawed logic, you could say that it's much safer to encounter a rattlesnake than a woman. Rattlesnakes kill about 6 people annually, while women killed 2,100 victims in the US in 2022 alone.

The whole premise and discussion is stupid.

blackdahlialady · 2024-05-22T18:37:37+00:00

There’s always some self hating mental midget repeating their nonsense too.

MikeMack0102 · 2024-05-22T20:30:52+00:00

People who picked the bear should be dared to visit the woods in Canada, Russia, Scandinavia, or Alaska to see for themselves.

MannerNo7000 · 2024-05-22T21:14:50+00:00

Social media was a mistake.

It’s all fantasy, bullshit and fear-mongering.

paraque159 · 2024-05-22T18:11:26+00:00

In the sea of beautiful women on social media that will get engagement on appearance alone, being decent won’t cut it. So they grasp at straws for engagement/attention. It’s sad they don’t realize how obvious and embarrassing it is. At least the ones on Reddit can hide it with anonymity.

Basic_Suit8938 · 2024-05-22T18:57:41+00:00

For some reason it's never occurred to them that there may be some shitty dudes instead of blaming ALL men.

blackdahlialady · 2024-05-22T20:35:19+00:00

Man, fuck that. Stuff like that is why I left when women refuse. I merely pointed out that men are DV victims too and I was jumped all over. What's the point of saying that if you're going to say XYZ but? But nothing. XYZ the end.

EzraBlaize · 2024-05-23T01:09:25+00:00

1 out of 3 women are NOT raped. Lmao. These stats are ridiculous. It’s actually sickening how out of hand this has gotten.

EnvironmentalBuy244 · 2024-05-22T23:44:26+00:00

1 in 3 heterosexual women have experienced domestic violence. 1 in 2 lesbians have experienced domestic violence. 1 in 7 gay men have experienced domestic violence.

So tell me, what is the strongest predictor of domestic violence? Seems to me it is the number of women in the relationship.

PythonPussy · 2024-05-23T00:54:13+00:00

the bear wouldnt wrap its hands around my throat

Yea, because it has paws not hands.

while i cry for help and tell me i "should be enjoying it"

Yea, because it doesn't speak any human language .

Also, it's just gonna eat you (without your consent).

uknowuknow · 2024-05-22T19:03:44+00:00

I am definitely question why you were not wearing hiking gear and carrying bear mace while you carry it for a night out drinking. DUH?

a_nonconformist · 2024-05-22T20:43:22+00:00

There's practically no bear attacks because bears and wolves learned through evolution to fear humans because of men driving them to near extinction. Not because bears are naturally harmless.

The bear vs men (that rape) is a logical fallacy known as two wrongs don't make a right.

6 & 7 pictures are fallacy of relevance.

Lolocraft1 · 2024-05-22T23:07:13+00:00

Number of black bear: 600 000

Number of grizzly bears: 1000 + 30 000 + 16 000 = 47 000

Number of Pandas: 1864 + 600 = 2464

Number of Polar bears: Between 22 000 and 31 000. Let’s take the middle and say 26 500

Total: 675 964

(40 / 675 964) x 100 = 0,0059% of bears killed a human being

Number of men: 4 000 000 000

(89 000 / 4 000 000 000) x 100 = 0,0023% of men killed a woman. By years yes, but I didn’t count the number of humans who travel into the woods to meet bears compared to the number of men a woman see on average every day either

Therefore, bears are statistically more dangerous than humans

Case closed.

Old_Welcome_624 · 2024-05-22T20:58:24+00:00

Yeah, men killed in 2021: 464.000. But I guess they are only "homicide" and not people.

RevolutionaryLaw8854 · 2024-05-22T19:09:02+00:00

That’s because people don’t live where Bears do

Black-Patrick · 2024-05-22T20:54:12+00:00

Brainwashed nihilistic naive narcissistic neurotic captive prisoners to an ideology that is ultimately a death cult.

compmanio36 · 2024-05-22T22:50:02+00:00

Waiting for the inevitable video of some feminist being mauled to death by a bear in Yellowstone while some guy yells on "YOU CHOSE THIS!"

Present_League9106 · 2024-05-23T00:15:42+00:00

Think of it this way: they're advertising who you should stay away from. Bear or these people? Bear.

randomsantas · 2024-05-23T01:43:51+00:00

How many bear encounters do women have? Vs. How many man encounters are normal for women? The numbers are stupid.

AigisxLabrys · 2024-05-23T06:12:01+00:00

These TikToks reek of terminally online.

Fourstrokeperro · 2024-05-23T07:20:54+00:00

These guys are suffering from serious cognitive derailment. Their argument is completely fallacious.

Statement A: There are 40 bear attacks each year Statement B: There is a 1 in 2.1 million chance of a bear attack

It is made to appear like statement B follows statement A. When statement B was pulled out of their ass.

gonnaenditthx197 · 2024-05-22T19:27:25+00:00

These people r funny af and not worth replying to lol.

Lets copy paste their logic, women are the majority of child rapists, by that logic i should leave my child with a crocodile rather than a woman.

No man has ever been killed, raped, or falsely accused on planet venus, venus must be the safest place for our men.

🤣

eli_ashe · 2024-05-23T04:12:08+00:00

i assume those stats are fake and dumb, but if not. wow. only 89,000 murdered worldwide in a year? out of 4 billion women (roughly half the population)

that is wildly safe.

oops, that stat looks real, don't know its quality, but it is a real UN stat.

Sounds an awful lot like the ladies be safe.

BEEZY086 · 2024-05-23T03:37:55+00:00

My favorite is "the majority of women who tell their stories are not believed".....

This bitch is really that oblivious. We live in a society where an accusation against a woman is laughed off. Meanwhile, i see womens accusations being enough to ruin a mans life on an almost daily basis.

therealpork · 2024-05-23T03:45:57+00:00

Women do not seem to comprehend that the same people who blame female victims for their own rapes also openly mock, emasculate, and deny male victims of rape. Furthermore, they're pretending that nobody ever supports rape victims.

If a man chose a bear over a strange woman he would be absolutely dogpiled and called a faggot. If he explained why, with the same justifications women use for choosing the bear, he would be laughed at. A whole lot of "men can't be raped" would be thrown.

In any case, choosing the bear is ridiculous. Random strangers are much less likely to commit sexual assault against you compared to that popular super hot person everyone likes who has had dozens of partners. Also, you know damn well that as soon as the bear charges, whoever chose the bear would immediately turn around and run toward the strange person and beg for help.

Sea_Treat7982 · 2024-05-22T23:33:34+00:00

Let these strong, brave women enter the workforce and fund my social security and medicare instead of being a happy young mother with a family. Make it a large latte, toots.

Major-Departure6936 · 2024-05-23T01:18:50+00:00

Base rate fallacy

AdLonely891 · 2024-05-22T23:41:24+00:00

Where tf did they get 97% of women who have been sexually harassed? There is no way that's true.

And for the 30% of women are raped: There are billions of women in the world, and the majority of those rapes probably weren't even from the countries that these women are in.

JayMeadows · 2024-05-22T23:01:56+00:00

I don't know what to say, except;

🐻

B1G_Fan · 2024-05-23T00:00:58+00:00

Hoe Math has it right: the “per encounter” metric matters a lot

https://youtu.be/SSVXbgR4JFs?si=KOD942MOJn5Ev_O3

Rizzistant · 2024-05-23T02:05:20+00:00

Slide 4, top to bottom

Inflated statistic, inflated statistic, societal bias, societal bias and not gender-specific, blatantly wrong, blatantly wrong and not gender-specific

Zefram71 · 2024-05-23T03:28:48+00:00

Those people didn't choose to hang out with the bear!🤡🤡

PotentialBluejay47 · 2024-05-23T04:24:28+00:00

Even though these women are so small a lot of abuse that men have faced has come from women than from bears.

Starwarsgreen · 2024-05-23T08:01:08+00:00

Not all women are total cunts

gre2704 · 2024-05-23T08:33:30+00:00

I mostly counter the "not all men but ebough" thing by just stating that i understand her that she is on the cautious side and that this is the same reason why i would never sign a birth certificate without a positive paternity test in hand or be alone with a woman in a business setting for fear of false accusation.

99.9% of the time she gets defensive about my statement and tells me i can't put all women under general suspicion and not all women... Bla bla bla. And then i simply smile and answer yes, not all women but enough...

WanabeInflatable · 2024-05-23T09:05:04+00:00

Even better solution - uninstall tictok.

theeightytwentyrule · 2024-05-23T09:43:45+00:00

The problem is that most women operate on feelings without logic. Of course a bear is more dangerous than a man, but if you miscontextualise the data, it will return any value you want. The chances of being attacked by a bear are 1 in 2.1 million, but those odds increase exponentially if you're within a few meters of an actual bear.

gaut80 · 2024-05-23T10:52:36+00:00

Data analysis 101, this is so fucked up I don't know where to start.

Thuban · 2024-05-23T12:00:32+00:00

Please! go find a bear.

loneBroWithCat · 2024-05-23T23:49:09+00:00

For your own mental health - delete tiktok, instagram and facebook.

LuciferLondonderry · 2024-05-23T23:49:26+00:00

I feel like there is a business opportunity for zoos here.

They could promote a woman only day at the zoo where they make the male zookeepers and visitors stay home and let the bears roam around outside their enclosures. Surely the zoo would get flooded with Feminist visitors on such a day, as the women could all finally feel safe.

michaelpaoli · 2024-05-23T00:07:50+00:00

It's a really stupid ignorant useless comparison/meme.

I mean really, how many women spend how much time living with bears?

I mean if we look at, e.g. fatalities per woman-person-hour from bear living with bear, vs. from man/men living with man/men, then we might have some numbers worthy of comparison. But no, check brain at door, and compare totally useless unrelated bits of data.

Why not likewise compare death rates of women living in close proximity of a large unshielded mass of plutonium. And if "They", from such screwy numbers, think it's much safer to live in close proximity of a large unshielded mass of plutonium - hey go for it ... would at least likely wipe out huge percentage of the grossly stupid/ignorant ones. Heck, they could do likewise with bears, etc. - whatever they think is safer for any that are that stupid. Heck, same deal, great white sharks for that matter.

Major-Departure6936 · 2024-05-23T01:18:44+00:00

Base rate fallacy

Futureman999 · 2024-05-23T02:11:07+00:00

Over on dankmemes they've been making fun of this for weeks, and every time there are 4-6 comments: "Ugh you still talking about that? Let it go!"

Guess the man or bear thing will never be over until it stops being useful to women for misandry? (but it's OVER if you make a meme pointing out the misandry)

Successful_Video_970 · 2024-05-23T02:18:25+00:00

Let the bears out of the Zoo then and see who woman run too. I reckon they will look for a man to stop that bear. Just a thought.

Oversdub · 2024-05-23T03:25:52+00:00

Everyone invest in cat food

GregBule · 2024-05-22T21:11:47+00:00

This is absurd. These women can’t be that stupid that they would be pro such a ridiculous argument. And if they are that stupid, it’s no wonder they are ending up in positions where they can be raped or killed by bears.

SappySoulTaker · 2024-05-22T21:57:05+00:00

"Man or Gas Leak?"

"Gas me harder!"

Mycroft033 · 2024-05-22T23:54:04+00:00

Someone needs to do the math on the number of people who were mauled versus the number of people who could’ve been mauled

kkkan2020 · 2024-05-23T00:06:26+00:00

Uh..am I reading this right? 97 percent of women have been harassed?

coming2grips · 2024-05-23T04:52:13+00:00

Multiple number of bears to estimate of human population then work out those numbers again

beersnob11 · 2024-05-23T09:29:10+00:00

Which is higher? Mothers who murder their own children per year or bears killing children?

Shdwfalcon · 2024-05-23T03:29:31+00:00

The question should be why is she not living in bear land then? Practise what you preach, bitch.

Fantactic1 · 2024-05-23T03:30:11+00:00

Because we all know women spend just as much time with bears as they do men…. Math checks out.

Roddy0608 · 2024-05-23T06:36:36+00:00

It's kind of funny when they think they're being intelligent but they're really being stupid.

Vman2 · 2024-05-23T07:42:08+00:00

Given her demonstrated skills I'm pleased she is selecting the bear. She's going to do her part to improve the gene pool. Good for her.

Practical_Suit_9288 · 2024-05-23T08:08:20+00:00

I've been seeing this choose the bear thing just lately have no idea what's it about at all.

Throning · 2024-05-23T08:19:22+00:00

1st pic - so she'd pick a wild animal, over literally all/any of society. Grasping much? Or is this some other bias there isn't a name for yet (maybe cognitive or confirmation bias)?

2nd pic - honestly, just quit TikTok in general, between the content being shallow and dumb as fuck, to the comment sections being degenerate, there's quite literally nothing of value there. And this doesn't even get into any of the "Biden is gunna ban it!" politics and bullshit that it's owned by a Chinese company; the format is overall just degenerate!.

3rd pic - Again some bias here; some women are into that kink, but not all women.

4th pic - For fucking fucks sake, don't turn 1 topic magically into 7 other topics. Unless you want us to pick apart every single one of those topics, which this is likely on tiktok, so it's not like there's even time (or space) to actually address all the bullshit there. The only thing of value, was the priceless drunk-face still-shot of that ... person.

5th pic - So, not even in self defense? You do know about 1 in 4 men is a victim of domestic abuse, right? How far does "Equal Rights!" go, before it demands an "Equal lefts, period." response?

6th pic - the bear thing again - okay so, if that bear is hungry, there won't be clothes left to judge or question you by, you'll be a fine red smattering of blood on and around the camp grounds, maybe half-alive buried somewhere. But you're here, worried about anyone (including the bear) judging you for what you were wearing? Not, y'know, your fucking survival? Something anyone with half a brain cell would celebrate that you stood up and survived such odds? And somehow, magically, the bear is better than the average man? How fucking brain dead are you?

Nub_plyz_twitch · 2024-05-23T09:11:56+00:00

Any man or women genuinely choosing a bear over the other sex is delusional. For the women: the average man is just a john doe that's either confused cuz how did we spawn in a Forrest or there to help u get out of there. Thai theoretical is just another way to put men (and for the men doing their trend about women) and women Down. How bout we start banding together instead. And for the men: please be fr. The average man is stronger then a woman. Again the bear is more likely to maul you to death. Anyone that thinks otherwise please grow up. back in the days when men and women were way more animalistic we also were more scared of the bear unless we'd have the weapons and numbers (and thus preparations) to defeat it.

Njon32 · 2024-05-23T10:47:53+00:00

I would question if someone who had been attacked by a bear was wearing something that smelled like food or had food in their pockets. I would wonder if the they provoked the bear some how. Maybe trying to take a selfie while petting the bear, or messing with a bear cub.

Codename-18 · 2024-05-23T11:08:19+00:00

Not all women but 99% of men are victims of fake gossips

weatherinfo · 2024-05-23T11:16:17+00:00

“Stop yapping and go cook dinner”

Oh that’s sexist isn’t it. But the second slide, nah who cares?

Armando1917 · 2024-05-23T11:45:01+00:00

Depressing that the gender war exists and it’s come to this

OptimusCrime555 · 2024-05-23T12:45:00+00:00

I think the biggest issue from guys here is that they expect this is an argument based on logic.

Woman just want to send the message 'we don't trust you'.

It's immensely immature - but it's instagram and tiktok ... I don't go to these sites to expect well-rounded intellectuals.

Nonetheless it's totally valid to call it out. Just don't waste your precious time on this behavior too much.

NSFW69_ · 2024-05-23T12:50:04+00:00

If there were as many bears walking around as men, I’m sure the number of attacks would be higher. The bear or man in the forest question implies it’s 1 bear or 1 man, and nothing else.

cyb3rfunk · 2024-05-23T12:57:00+00:00

How many man/woman interactions are there in the world every year? How many human/bear interactions? If you want to compare apples to apples you need the % of bad interactions, not just absolute numbers.

bluwave55 · 2024-05-23T13:14:10+00:00

How about this light-hearted twist:

"Let's take a whimsical detour down their line of reasoning. If men had to choose between confiding in a woman or a tree, which would they pick? Odds are, the tree would win hands down. Why, you ask? Simple! A tree keeps your secrets better than any woman or diary, never interrupts you, and doesn't dare suggest you're overreacting. You see, trees are the ultimate listeners in the foliage of friendship. I think you catch my drift!"

djc_tech · 2024-05-23T13:19:31+00:00

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13326161/Cougars-classroom-alarming-rate-teachers-charged-raping-young-boys-America.html

Would I rather have a bear or a female teacher in the classroom with my son?

I’m feeling the bear won’t rape my son

Real_Fucking_Anxious · 2024-05-23T13:59:41+00:00

Boo hoo

Hot_Paint_532 · 2024-05-23T14:20:56+00:00

I got punched in the face by a woman multiple times.. How should I react? They had no intention of stopping and I couldn't just walk away from the situation.. advice?

LordBogus · 2024-05-23T14:28:46+00:00

Lol, lets built a city with 100.000 women and 100.000 bears, and lets wait till the bears on the sidewalk tear up the women

But they suddenly want to live in the woods where there are a handfull of men over a 100s of m2 kilometers

Rancor_Keeper · 2024-05-23T14:46:52+00:00

What are the sources of those facts they put in those memes? You just can’t walk around, loosely slinging “facts” all over the place, all Willy Nilly and all. It’s like those people that get pulled over, start screaming at the cop that they’re sovereign citizen, then leaning on all these “facts” while berating the cop that’s just trying to do his job.

Computerbuild2280 · 2024-05-23T15:47:41+00:00

Top things that feminists do 1.Make up numbers about men 2.Choose bear 3. Spread sexist phrases like "education your boys" or "Teach boys not to rape" just to name an few

Pokebear007 · 2024-05-23T16:09:17+00:00

Best response I ever heard about the man vs bear thing was "if they are dumb enough to choose the bear, let them... maybe natural selection existed for a reason"

_zoo_bear_ · 2024-05-23T16:36:37+00:00

Would you rather have your unborn child in the belly of a bear or a woman?

Big_Sprinkles9139 · 2024-05-23T19:55:10+00:00

How many unborn units were ended by femanutz? Just asking for a friend...

Obvious_Economics_39 · 2024-05-23T19:59:02+00:00

Funny how there's no mention of domestic violence on men like it doesn't even exist

2024-05-23T21:38:11+00:00

Statistically speaking, more women have raped men than bears. So, how's about we change the narrative? I SAY, LEAVE US ALONE WITH THE BEAR. Saves us the mental energy so that we can actually escape :).

EfficientSimplicity · 2024-05-24T05:08:46+00:00

A lot more men were murdered last year. Heard of Ukraine?

Low_Car_3415 · 2024-05-24T08:58:40+00:00

perfect example for how "feminists" will stop analyzing statistical data at points where it fits their agenda.

not-only-on-reddit · 2024-05-24T22:38:47+00:00

This goes to show that statistics are the weapon of propoganda.

Show me the statistic of male to female interactions gone violent.

To bear to human interactions gone violent.

The scales would be totally different!!

Opening-Scar-8796 · 2024-05-23T03:56:42+00:00

Insane. Just insane.

bigfanboi · 2024-05-22T17:51:13+00:00

any good responses to this

throwaway_aagghh · 2024-05-23T02:30:45+00:00

I don’t really see a problem here buddy. These women clearly have a fear of men and have statistics to back it up. I believe they have every right to share their beliefs on TikTok. I would also pick a bear

salinestill · 2024-05-23T08:59:30+00:00

Bear is graping this sub lol

lerobinbot · 2024-05-22T18:06:48+00:00

nice

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Author	Gekyet
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Date	May 22, 2024 5:24 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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