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Title thx Laci
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TerriChris

Upvotes 6206
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Date November 28, 2017 7:16 AM UTC
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[–]TechnoSam_Belpois 1144 points1145 points1146 points 8 years ago (52 children) | Copy Link

I think the biggest improvement Laci has had is her ability to listen. She still holds a lot of positions I disagree with, but she no longer shuts people out. She has legitimate principles (at least it appears that way) even if they're different than mine and I can respect that.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 388 points389 points390 points 8 years ago (37 children) | Copy Link

Getting out of the echo chamber would put an end to a lot of feminists.

[–]Chevellephreak 233 points234 points235 points 8 years ago* (35 children) | Copy Link

Woman here, I was in a Facebook group that originated in a female centric subreddit. I was ultimately kicked out for "not identifying as a feminist", and for continually being the oppositional voice. The echo chamber was fucking insane and they work hard to ensure nobody with opposing views stuck around. Getting booted was actually great, it was fucking toxic.

You're right in thinking getting out of the chamber helps, but you're wrong in thinking they'll actually leave or even listen.

[–]DarthCerebroX 84 points85 points86 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I think a lot of that has to do with the differences in how men and women socialize, compete against each other, argue/debate... and other intrasexual dynamics.

Here’s a really good post about it.... I’ll post some relevant paragraphs below.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7f9j9r/how_women_change_institutions_built_by_men/?st=JAJWGGZK&sh=672a5770

Male and female groups generally have different ways of dealing with conflict and competition. Female intrasexual competition tends to be indirect and works by manufacturing and maintaining a social consensus, freezing out and stigmatizing people who threaten it, *and appealing to third parties to intervene against them. Male intrasexual competition tends to be much more direct and overt. *The stifling of free speech we are witnessing in universities today follows classic forms of female competition: excluding opposing viewpoints through no-platforming, surrounding issues with a human shield, appeal to officials and other third parties to intervene on their behalf, etc.

Men and women have different tendencies in discourse. Male speech tends to be more agonistic and combative. Male speech tends to follow models of manliness. The manly man is expected to be strong in putting forward his position, masterful in arguing it and taking apart opposing arguments, courageous in putting his position in jeopardy in debate and taking whatever comes, and honourable in never avoiding or shrinking back from direct challenge or employing indirect means to win in an underhand fashion. But women often disproportionately struggle with such norms; for instance, with the expectation that public discourse is a place where you must fight your corner and push your position, rather than a table open to all voices to put forward their positions equally and unchallenged. Public discourse as a realm of stress-testing ideas and engaging with views that directly attack your own can be threatening to people who prefer forms of discourse where everyone gets an equal say, where direct conflict is not really accepted within the group, and where people expect to be affirmed.

Male sociality allows for much more of a distinction between ideas and persons. Ritual combat functions as a form of bonding, or at least a context for deepening respect, between men to a degree that it doesn’t usually for women. Directly to challenge someone else’s opinion in a female group is much less likely to go down well, as the idea and the person are much more closely aligned (observe the difference between the comments of male- and female-dominated sites online for examples of this). *These differences can be seen in a great many areas. Male sociality has always tended to value free speech and challenge in ways that female sociality hasn’t and men as individuals also consistently seem to care more about this value (this is one of the reasons why the New Atheist movement was always so strongly male, and why it has so widely turned into an anti-SJW movement). When informal societies develop organically, free and direct speech tends to be far more characteristic of male-dominated groups. *While there are many women who love combative discourse and sociality and many men who don’t, these are the exceptions to the rule. Furthermore, the women who love combative discourse and sociality will generally have to go to male-dominated groups to enjoy it. It is not at all surprising that the crisis of free speech in the university finds its centre of gravity in fields such as Women’s and Gender Studies.

[–]Chevellephreak 49 points50 points51 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well shit, that explains why I thrived in engineering school where I was 1 of 4 women in a class with 30+ men, and got my ass booted out of an all girls club! Thanks for sharing that, what a great read.

[–]koreancrimson 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

saved, thank you for explaining the world

[–]homerq 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This post is so vitally relevant and so insightful that it deserves a repost a least, and maybe a spot on the sidebar. Saved.

[–]memesplaining 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit that's so well written thank you

[–]The_Best_01 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I love that post. I think most, if not all of it is true, even if they don't have proof to support their claims.

I think the root of the general "Men = individualists, women = collectivists" behavior is simply down to the fact that women tend to prefer security and feeling safe, instead of freedom and free speech. Just differences in evolutionary psychology.

[–]theanarchist8000 33 points34 points35 points 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Same thing happened with my Anarchist subreddit. Insanity. It's crazy how echochambers eventually refuse any good exterior ideas or healthy debate

[–]Chevellephreak 29 points30 points31 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

That's awful! I remember one time I posted an article in the group with no comment of my own. The mod gave me shit because I posted it without my own opinion. What? I was the asshole because I didn't want to sway other people's opinions? It was just ridiculous. So so glad I'm gone! They say they want debate, but it's not debate if you all fucking agree.

[–]angrynewyawka21 points 8 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

Gonna admit and say that I feel the same way about The_Donald and any other facebook group I was in. It's a total echo chamber where no criticism is allowed. They are literally the other side of the coin they accuse "liberal snowflakes" to be.

I got banned on The Donald for daring to say that maybe donald trump should act a little more presidential and chill with the twitter crap. Then the mod proceeded to act like a child and chain message me for 2 days nonstop calling me a shill.

Echo chambers are echo chambers no matter what team theyre on.

[–]afadedgiant20 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

I’ve been banned from most of the liberal subreddits and I’m as far left as they come. It’s definitely a problem on all sides.

[–]Panzerker 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

reddit thinks its smart but we are just a bunch of cliques who overuse our thesaurus

[–]Kasekopfen 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's a thought that popped up in my head the other day. The internet basically turned into the playground of a high school where the users basically act like teenagers with their cliques and other bullshit. It's like teenage behavior is humanity at it's most basic.

[–]Nemobeenfound 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is one way to put it.

[–]Nemobeenfound 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Echo chambers are echo chambers no matter what team theyre on.

They are and that often toxic at that.

[–]FireHazard11[🍰] 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Do you mean /r/Anarchism? Because I managed to get banned from there for disagreeing with a mod.

It's one of my proudest achievements on reddit.

[–]theanarchist8000 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Lmao why yes, I do mean /r/Anarchism! I was very politely debating a communist on how communism/socialism are ideologies based on theft (my views are somewhere between libertarian and anarcho-capitalism). I was banned "for being a bootlicker".

[–]cO-necaremus 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ideologies based on theft

the term "theft" implies that the social construct of ownership is not a social construct but an actual "thing" that exist.

if you, as a society, agree that the current resources are not distributed in a fair way, this social construct of "ownership" isn't existing anymore. If only a few individuals claim "dis be mine", while the society as a whole doesn't agree, this social construct of ownership can't be established. It is not theft in this case, since ownership isn't even existent.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

here a little related comic. and... another post where i touched this topic

[–]TheBrokenRuler 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I got banned from the anarchy subreddit too- but for being active on r/the_donald lol

I'm not even a yuuge donald trump supporter. More often than not I'm there as a skeptic

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[–]Hazzman 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

The problem with this is that they also work hard to influence legislation... and then the only alternative for the voter is to vote some fuckwit like Trump into office.

We have to choose between zealots or idiots in the future.

[–]Sebatron2 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And that's why I think that it would be a good idea to replace the position of President with something like the Swiss Federal Council and introduce some electoral reform (particularly STV) for Congress. It (probably) won't stop all of them from getting into office, but at least enough competition (and other people getting into office) to get them to chill the fuck out.

[–]angrynewyawka6 points 8 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

You literally just described the reason I voted for Trump. For me, this election wasn't about ACTUALLY making my vote count. Im from NYC, it's always gonna go blue. No, my vote was a literal "fuck you" to radical fems actually passing legislation and going off the rails of PC insanity.

You dont know how many people I know voted for Trump in NYC because of this. We're all pot smoking liberals and we wished we would've had another candidate so we just decided to say "fuck it". Thats what happens when you have these groups playing identity politics, eventually the pendulum swings too far.

[–]TigPlaze 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

IMO this was the worst election of my lifetime. I didn't just dislike both choices. I HATED them both. Now I'm bitching about how bad our president is, but I would also be bitching if Hillary had won. They were both atrocious candidates.

We need another 1960. The country would have been fine with either Kennedy or Nixon. In 2016, the country was fucked either way.

[–]Hazzman -5 points-4 points-3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

it's always gonna go blue.

You really shouldn't vote for a color.

You dont know how many people I know voted for Trump in NYC because of this.

Yes I do know... and it blows my mind that people supported this man.

I understand it, I just don't agree with it. I think both of these candidates were a total catastrophe.

[–]angrynewyawka9 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I understand it, I just don't agree with it. I think both of these candidates were a total catastrophe.

Literally my entire point. Thanks.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You dont know how many people I know voted for Trump in NYC because of this.

You dont knooow him. snaps fingers

[–]FrogTrainer 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm afraid my mom is now in some of those FB groups. She spouts a lot of BS you would only hear in the most hardcored fem groups, and will completely dismiss any counter arguments from anyone.

[–]Chevellephreak 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When you meet other people who agree with you, you can all of a sudden be more vocal about your nonsense. It's awful.

[–]Panzerker 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It cant be healthy to dwell on negativity 24/7, youve probably added years to your life by getting booted

[–]jb_trp 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"/u/Chevellephreak, you've been found guilty of 'problematic thoughts.' Please report to the Ministry of TruthTM for reprogramming."

[–]Chevellephreak 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think every post had to have "problematic" or "intersectional" in it somewhere in that group. I'm half expecting one of them to find my posts here and share it with the group, to prove that they did the right thing by kicking this not-feminist out.

[–]Nemobeenfound 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

you're wrong in thinking they'll actually leave or even listen.

Yet Laci is doing exactly that. I think the whole leaving the circle jerk is only effective on those that been engross in it like someone like Laci. You where never that engross it in so when you got the boot it wasn't that effective.

[–]memesplaining 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Very interested how the subs meant for women's equality are so exclusive. Trollx banned me, twox banned me. They can't exist while listening to opposing opinions. Very strange phenomenon.

[–]Chevellephreak 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's nuts watching everyone getting immediately defensive when presented with opposing views, but still wanting people to listen to them without arguing back. It's fucking weird. I'm still subbed to twox but that's mainly just to remind myself how the other side thinks.

[–]zamardii12 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's an interesting. I personally really dislike Milo (however his last name is spelled), but there is one statistic that he repeated to someone that always stuck with me which is that over 70% (or more. can't remember) of women don't identify as feminist anymore and he said it was because women understand that it doesn't mean the same thing anymore which is to say that it's about man-hate and bashing as opposed to a noble cause such as equality.

[–]Badgerz92 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most feminists are like Cassie Jaye used to be. Only opposing MRAs because they haven't left their echochamber yet. If every feminist put as much effort into learning about MRAs and men's issues as Cassie Jaye did, 90% of them would quit their movement too.

[–]GrandPappyWilliams 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Now if only Steve Shives could do the same.

[–]TechnoSam_Belpois 38 points39 points40 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Steve Shives is a different beast altogether. I truly feel sorry for him. He has a few videos with him and his wife talking, and he is just completely subservient to her in terms of ideology. Whatever she says, he agrees with, even if it's an attack on him or his life choices.

I am not honestly convinced that we have any videos reflecting his true opinion on any subject. Granted, he probably does believe at least some of what he says. But I think a lot of it is to please his wife.

I think that's one reason he won't do debates. There's several extreme positions he purports to hold, but couldn't defend them in a live debate because he doesn't strongly believe them.

I don't expect to ever see a change from him because it will likely come at great personal cost. Yes, Laci is now ostracized from many of her old feminist circles (even though she still identifies as a feminist) but Steve would face that and probably be served divorce papers on top. I can at least understand why he'd be unwilling to do that, but it's probably the healthier option long term.

And I don't really know for sure. I'm just an outside observer. But this is what it really looks like.

[–]Lord_ThunderCunt 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Spot on.

[–]GrandPappyWilliams 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Steve seemed like he used to be a much happier, fun-loving guy. I remember watching an old colab video with him and The Bible Reloaded. It was hilarious; I couldn't believe it was the same Steve.

[–]Chaos_Therum 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well we can all hope for his sake that his wife either leaves him on her own accord or something else happens to separate them. I have a feeling that he is in an extremely mentally abusive relationship.

[–]BlockNotDo 17 points18 points19 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I can't even tell you when I first discovered Laci Green (wonder if my YouTube history would somehow tell me). I know it was long before I discovered reddit.

While she was lumped in with other ignorant feminists, I always felt like she was somewhat different. Maybe just because she was so young; I always felt like she was salvageable and hadn't quite drunk all the kool aid.

It was something about the way she talked about topics, or the topics she chose to address - you could always tell that she had some doubts about what she was saying. Like she was repeating things that she had heard and always believed to be true, but as she was saying them, she was having an internal battle with herself asking "wait a minute, how do I know this is true".

She's kind of a weird, quirky, awkward girl, but as she's grown, I think that her intelligence and genuine goodness have become her most dominant qualities. Like many feminists, I think she thought she was "fighting the good fight" repeating feminist rhetoric. But unlike many less intelligent feminists, she took the time to really look into the details of what she was saying. That made her realize that she wasn't actually fighting for good, but was part of the problem.

[–]TechnoSam_Belpois 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's an interesting position. I had always pegged her as the most dedicated follower. She's basically a meme of the crazy feminist, saying everyone is a little bisexual, there an uncountably infinite number of genders, not answering criticism etc.

I did however always think she was doing what she believed to be right. She didn't appear to carry any spite or malice when talking about things like privilege like others do.

I think a big part of why Laci opened up is because of the platform she operates on. It's YouTube. YouTube has always been more anti feminist than other social media sites and it gets more so every day. So even in her bubble, there was enough opposition to help her decide to listen. Other feminists don't operate the same way. Either they only make videos casually or they mostly write articles or lobby for legislation. They don't see that opposition there.

The only other equally popular feminist YouTuber that I can think of is Sarkeesian, and she was never in it for the ideology. She's in it for the money. So we're not gonna see her change any.

[–]mrjackspade 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I sort of got the same feeling. She didn't ever really come across as a "feminist" in anything I watched, so much as a "womans rights activist" who wanted to educate about gender issues.

It wasn't until later on that I started to have my doubts about her, but I dont think I ever really thought she was a bad person.

[–]Nemobeenfound 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She didn't ever really come across as a "feminist" in anything I watched, so much as a "womans rights activist" who wanted to educate about gender issues.

Probably because she's a mainstream feminist and not the more radical/extreme kind that is so often highlighted in this sub.

[–]asdfman2000 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

hadn't quite drunk all the kool aid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4wNo0eCIA0&t=91s

[–]M90Motorway -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Laci always appeared to be a good person. Unlike most feminists she had a happy, positive mood and was not your typical feminist. It hardly seems a surprise that she eventually admitted that she wanted more dialogue.

[–]scaboodle 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She saw that she was loosing subs - I honestly doubt if she believes in anything she says.

[–]rubbarz 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She had to get her name out some how. Pretty much works now. Be the unpopular opinion and shout and youll get somewhere.

[–]DukeMaximum 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I definitely appreciate her now more than before. I feel like she's grown and matured a lot and, as you point out, she's learned to listen and empathize a lot better than she used to.

[–]Cthulu2013 369 points370 points371 points 8 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Hell hath frozen over

[+]Hazzman -40 points-39 points-38 points 8 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

No she just found some potent D.

[–]jedi111 27 points28 points29 points 8 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

I don't know why you're being down voted. Chris Ray Guns dick is huge.

[–]KingRobotPrince119 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (10 children) | Copy Link

Probably because if the first thing you do when a woman is supportive of men's rights, is to make insulting sexist remarks, you just give women reasons to think men don't deserve any support and that feminists are right.

[+]Hazzman -25 points-24 points-23 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

What about making a fucking joke and getting on with your life? Is that not allowed anymore?

[–]DankWojak 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

This is a serious sub asshat

[–]AstroTibs 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"Hell hath frozen over" sure strikes me as the most serious statement imaginable. As does "asshat."

[–]DankWojak 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I can understand you about the first part, but she’s generally not on our side, so this was real unexpected. But for the asshat part, I’m not joking, I’m annoyed.

[–]AstroTibs 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You said this was a serious sub. Only a pre-teen would use the term "asshat" in full seriousness.

I see no problem with "she just found some potent D." It's a harmless joke and to call it insulting or sexist is a huge stretch.

Or is this sub so serious that it's a "No Fun Allowed" type?

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[–]Aarondhp24 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You sure can, and be downvoted for it. Funny how that works.

[–]DankWojak 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You sure can. And I have the right to dislike it. I can’t stop you. You can’t stop me. Men’s rights movements get a bad rep for being sexist, but we want to show them we’re not. Then, on a post about someone who might’ve been against us sides for us instead, some guy makes a sexist joke. Like come on. Sure this is Reddit, but have some sense.

[–]llamaeatllama 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would like to introduce you to /r/AskHistorians. Excellent moderation to ensure serious discussion.

[–]TheJazzProphet -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Chris Raygun's dick literally cures cancer.

[–]bexodus-11 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Truth!

[–]supacrusha 294 points295 points296 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Laci, I may still disagree with some of your positions, but youre willing to listen, and I like that, thank you.

[–]TheBrokenRuler 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If I'm not mistaken it was her fight/making up with Sargon of Akkad that turned her from SJW to dominantly rational thinker, was it not?

[–]Chaos_Therum 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No she made friends with Chris Raygun started getting more reasonable and Sargon had said some things he regretted and had been blamed for some things that he had nothing to do with. He wanted to apologize for a while and figured that since she had cooled a bit that he would get in touch with her at the youtube convention and he apologized and she cried and they made good and are on good terms now.

[–]Jecklazar_Gorestory237 points 8 years ago [recovered] (48 children) | Copy Link

Starting, reluctantly, to like the cut of her jib.

[–]mcfleury1000 71 points72 points73 points 8 years ago (44 children) | Copy Link

I've always been a fan of hers, been subbed for years. I don't have to agree with her politics to enjoy her content.

[+]Valac_ -31 points-30 points-29 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Like her consent videos that act like men don't understand what consent is because we're all rapists.

[–]mcfleury1000 66 points67 points68 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I just watched her videos on consent:

WANNA HAVE SEX? (Consent 101)

She never uses gendered language and only explains that affirmative [YES] consent is 100% required.

SHE ASKED FOR IT.

She discussed victim blaming, and DEFENDS men from people who say things like "well that's just something men do" or "all men are rapists"

So please show me which video you're referring to? Because I'm tired of people misrepresenting others to justify their shitty arguments.

[–]Badgerz92 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She never uses gendered language

Which is the entire reason that MRAs have disagreed with most other feminists on this. If they just talked about consent for everybody instead of using gendered language like "teach men not to rape" then most MRAs wouldn't have had a problem.

[–]mcfleury1000 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, I get that, I'm just saying that Laci is not nor has she been that feminist.

[–]Badgerz92 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I know and that's one of the things that sets her apart from the others.

[+][deleted] 8 years ago (38 children) | Copy Link

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[–]mcfleury1000 19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago (37 children) | Copy Link

Most of her content was centered around sex education and human sexuality and her opinions on stuff. The SJW stuff was mostly isolated to her other social media. Idk why so many people are incapable of watching content by people they disagree with.

Also, can you not? It's a played out meme at best, and a stupid joke at worst.

[+]nothingbutinsults -7 points-6 points-5 points 8 years ago (36 children) | Copy Link

Talking about people in a sexual way isn't bad.

[–]mcfleury1000 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (35 children) | Copy Link

Thats one opinion I suppose, but why not just be respectful of others? Why not choose to be better than that?

[–]Hypertroph 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why is thinking about someone sexually a bad thing?

[–]mcfleury1000 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not, but that's also not what happened.

Thinking is fine, making comments in a public forum about gender equality like "you just muted the video and stared at her tits didn't you?" Is distasteful, disrespectful, and it goes against our collective goals as a group.

[+]Azurenightsky -15 points-14 points-13 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Mother fucker do you know what sex is? Of course not, because if you did...I wouldn't have to explain this to you.

Ok.

My genetics, express very, very strongly, that they want to combine with complimentary genetics. If I find you sexually attractive, THAT'S LITERALLY THE HIGHEST COMPLIMENT I CAN PAY YOU. It means my genes, which are driven to reproduce and spread, really love the cut of your jib and really want to do anything they can, for the opportunity to populate the world with our combined genetics.

The very idea that sexualizing someone could be disrespectful when we're discussing grown adults is pure, unfettered insanity.

[–]mcfleury1000 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, that was a lot of stuff you just wrote. Once more I'll ask, can't we just be respectful of others?

If not, you really shouldn't post here because you're making the rest of us look as bad as you.

[–]pmfm_mh 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The very idea that sexualizing someone could be disrespectful when we're discussing grown adults is pure, unfettered insanity.

Just because it's "literally the highest compliment" you can pay doesn't mean anybody gives a shit or should have to hear about it.

You want to talk about "grown adults" but you're coming across like a child that hasn't quite figured out how to interact with other people; other people who, shockingly, have different opinions/feelings which have as much merit as your opinions/feelings.
From your viewpoint sexualizing someone isn't disrespectful - fine, whatever - but you're being willfully ignorant and inconsiderate if you can't even imagine that other people could find that disrespectful.

[–]nothingbutinsults -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago* (28 children) | Copy Link

I don't agree that if you respect something you leave it alone, and I don't agree that expressing desire towards someone is disrespectful, and I don't agree that you or I get to define what constitutes respect from others since they may not share that definition.

I do think that you cannot expect strangers to enforce your boundaries for you, and that personal boundaries and legal boundaries must not be conflated. I also think that your definition of respect amounts to stifling men's right to free sexual expression. We're here, we're straight, get used to it.

[–]mcfleury1000 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link

You just said a whole lot without really saying anything.

The guy who deleted his comment made a rude comment about "checking out her tits" that is not a respectful way to phrase it.

We do get to define respect because there is a social fabric and what is consideres appropriate is widely understood. There is a way to say nice things to women without being disrespectful, but that is not it.

He was wrong. And by making those kinds of comments he is making the whole movement look worse.

[–]nothingbutinsults -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link

Widely understood by women who think they get to control how other people talk. Fuck that, and fuck you. I don't need to respect anyone, I just need to not touch them or their stuff.

[–]mcfleury1000 -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

I think you should go back to your home on r/incels.

Widely understood by women who think they get to control how other people talk. Fuck that, and fuck you.

No, widely understood by people who are members of a respectful society. Being a good person is not that hard for most people, however you do seem to struggle. You should try it sometime because it will improve your life and maybe you won't be so angry.

I don't need to respect anyone, I just need to not touch them or their stuff.

What a sad outlook on life, good luck finding a job or a wife with a world view like that.

[–]nothingbutinsults1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I'm doing fine, fuck you very much. Take your tone policing and stick it somewhere it might be useful. Maybe scrape some of the shit out of your own ass before getting up mine.

[–]mcfleury10000 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Jesus, how old are you 12? You imply I am being hypocritical but do you have any proof?

Take your tone policing and stick it somewhere it might be useful.

Not tone policing, just trying to clean up the trash on this sub. When people like you associate yourselves with this movement we all lose.

[–]nothingbutinsults2 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Your aim is to stifle men's free expression in the name of respect. One guy says the word tits and you jump straight up his ass with the tone policeman's truncheon. We don't need you, you aren't an ally, you aren't part of the movement, you're just one more girl on the Internet flexing your privileges.

[–]mcfleury10000 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Your aim is to stifle men's free expression in the name of respect. One guy says the word tits and you jump straight up his ass with the tone policeman's truncheon.

Let me be very clear, I never said "no-one can ever say tits" nor did I say "men can't say tits" I said that if this movement is to gain any traction, using respectful language is a must. If the whole public thinks men's rights activists are all like you, a bunch of cavemen incapable of using finesse or reading context, then we will never see any success as a movement.

We don't need you, you aren't an ally, you aren't part of the movement, you're just one more girl on the Internet flexing your privileges.

So, I'm not sure if it was intended as an insult or a misunderstanding, but I'm not a girl.

And I am absolutely a part of this movement, the only difference is that I am not a sexist asshole, I care about equality across the board. No privilege flexing here.

Was it tough when r/incels got banned and you had to come try and ruin good subs?

[–]nothingbutinsults2 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

No you just enforced your rule about this instance of this man saying tits. Which I argued is harmless, which it is, and therefore doesn't deserve tone policing. I'll bet you bother skateboarding teenagers. Keep Respect's name out of your mouth.

[–]mcfleury10000 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Oh would you just stop. If it was harmless it wouldn't be brought up, but you know as well as I do that regardless of your or my opinion about the word or words like it, it is not socially acceptable and it is seen as rude to speak that way. When you're talking to family friends and coworkers do you throw that shit around?

[–]nothingbutinsults1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

They're just fucking words, she's in no danger of losing her foreskin or getting drafted or losing her job or getting thrown in jail and therefore they're harmless. And her tits are fantastic, and it's okay to say they are, and it's okay if that's the only reason you watch her videos, and it would be ok to say that to her face. THEY'RE. JUST. FUCKING. WORDS.

What is deemed socially acceptable must be acceptable to all demographics of society. Get it?

I don't accept not being able to talk about people however the fuck I please. Especially if there's no harm done to their person or property.

[–]mcfleury10000 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Do you really not understand? It is important to be respectful to people. I don't care if you don't like it, what you like or think is irrelevent. The facts are that it is a crass thing to say, and you shouldn't go around saying crass things just because you think you can.

This is a part of social development you'll learn when you turn 15.

[–]nothingbutinsults2 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I don't consent to your fucking rules of what I'm allowed to say you male feminazi puke. It's a curious type of respect where only I have to respect only your level of acceptable discourse, based on your presumed moral authority which you have neither earned nor demonstrated ability to weild. Now I must ask you to respect my right to make as many tit jokes as I fucking please since nothing whatsoever is keeping you here except controlling how other people talk.

Maybe you should let women deal with their own problems, Skeev Shives. You know. As though they were adults capable of making decisions on their own.

[–]mcfleury10000 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You don't need to content, like I said you're free to be whatever brand of douche you want, I'm just saying you make us all look bad when you talk like that.

I'm not a feminazi, unless that means I think men and women should be equal in which case woah ya caught me... but that makes me a meninazi too doesn't it.

What's keeping me here is that I care about the men's rights movement and if like to see it successful. When someone like you with the depth of a puddle "represents" the movement, you make us all look worse.

Honestly, without getting needlessly angry, why is it so hard to just be polite? Wouldn't you rather live in a world of positivity and kindness instead of the smegma pit you used to call r/incels?

[–]nothingbutinsults2 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Fuck yourself in the eye. Men have ten times the rate of suicide that women do and you're here on the Men's Rights forum to whine about someone liking Laci Green's wonderful, full, supple, delicious, beautiful titties. You don't support a definition of equality that I share, and I don't want to live in a world that a person like you would run. I imagine it'd look like Demolition Man.

Also if you're both a feminazi and a meninazi then you're probably just a nazi. SUPPLIES! Tell me about how clean you'd like the world to be.

[–]mcfleury10000 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I support the only definition of equality. Men and women are equal in every nesisary respect.

Now let me address your army of straw men...

Me wanting you to speak respectfully has nothing to do with:

Laci Green who is great.

Circumcision without consent which is abhorrent.

Prison inequality which is unacceptable.

Divorce outcomes which are unequal.

Suicide rate which I find particularly disappointing as a suicide survivor.

Now can you please answer my one question you sexist coward.

Why do you find it so hard to just be a respectful and polite member of society?

EDIT:

To address your edit, this is the problem with mouth-breathers like you assigning the word nazi to everything, it makes the word meaningless.

[–]nothingbutinsults2 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Dude the streets are paved with eggshells and I'm sick to death of it. Your definition of respect, once again, involves telling other people how to talk. On a fucking INTERNET FORUM. Mine doesn't. And Laci Green is decent at best, most of her shit is for a remedial audience and the remedial audience is only there for her tits, so it's not doing much good. But I'm happy, for her sake, that she's less bigoted now.

Here's the problem with your definition of equality: it contains a new and unnecessary rule that renders ordinary human interaction sterile, which is to say both hyperclean and infertile. Generally, it is feminists who are asking for that rule and not men's rights activists. I want the right to be able to speak sexually in public with strangers in a legally safe way, and in order to do that, strangers must be able to handle it which means exposure to it. It's a bit like inoculation makes otherwise dangerous germs innocuous, or how kids in the country who have pets are less likely to get asthma and allergies than city kids without them.

[–]mcfleury10000 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Feminists aren't asking to rule, they are asking for equality. The ones who are asking to rule aren't feminists by definition.

My definition of equality is the real definition of equality.

The fact that you think that being asked to abstain from throwing around dumb remarks is walking on eggshells is sad. It's called self censorship. Be polite. It's not hard.

[–]nothingbutinsults2 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Feminists want control over men. You are their vanguard. Tits or gtfo.

[–]mcfleury10000 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You're a child, I only hope you aren't this hateful your whole life. Just accept it, be a good person. Or more likely, you're to emotionally insecure to be able to handle kindness.

[–]nothingbutinsults1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

[–]mcfleury10000 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

What are you on about man? This isn't tyranny. This is you being a fuck and me saying 'hey maybe how about dont.'

[–]nothingbutinsults1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

It's Oscar Wilde. If you weren't Vincent Adultman over here you'd know already. This is about you being a fucking nazi.

[–]mcfleury10000 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Yeah, never read Oscar Wilde. Guess I'll have to pick it up. Maybe then I'll be angry and sad all day because the evil scary women are taking my manliness away or something.

[–]nothingbutinsults1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

"Incel" "what are you 12" retard.

[–]mcfleury10000 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Woah, good comeback. What, you couldn't make a decent argument so you want back 10 comments to call me a retard.

Christ what is the matter with you? Who hurt you?

[–]nothingbutinsults0 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Remember that bit about inoculation, dumbass? You think I act this way with everyone? Maybe you should get a new mental RAM so you can think beyond the present.

[–]mcfleury10000 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Respect is earned friend, I was respectful to you for far longer than you deserved, but after the 3rd or 4th iteration of "go fuck yourself in the place with the things" it was clear to me that you were incapable of listening to reason.

I got a good rise out of you too so I guess it all worked. You're just continuing to prove my point over and over again.

[–]nothingbutinsults0 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Respect

[–]StinkyDiaper 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's the second time in two days I've heard that expression after never hearing it before.

[–]trousershorts 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Clearly your jib needs some extra cutting...

[–]electricalnoise 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She's come a long way and she's totally changed my opinion of her.

[–]ToFurkie 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is a nice tweet, but I've just now noticed that @nytimes is "anytimes" and now I can't unsee this

[–]SushiWizard 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Omg why did you have to ruin it for everyone else now I can't unsee it too! Fuck you lmao

[–]FireHazard11[🍰] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Goddamnit! Why!?

Have fun holding your jaw closed. You monster.

[–]RWRSTDITD 60 points61 points62 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Why does she say NYT writers are rape-sympathizers?

[–]heiland 20 points21 points22 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I'm kinda lost on that one too.

[+]CptMisery 17 points18 points19 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why I'm in the comments. I NEED ANSWERS

[–]TheFatJesus 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It might be related to them burying a story about Winestein.

[–]Lumberingfeather 34 points35 points36 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, she actually sounds like a reasonable human being lately, rather than a complete ideologue.

[–]Neko404 125 points126 points127 points 8 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

i am certainly starting to warm up to Laci. though still wary of her...i just keep expecting a back stab from her. probably just my own insecurities but we will see with time.

[–]AngryTurbot 21 points22 points23 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Same here. It would seem that she learned to listen to everybody , not only the crowd that cheered her into the altar of "the good people (tm).

She still has some solid principles, and that's both something that will bother me occasionally but make me value her better. Someone who holds values coherently is worth debating, and wont do face-heel turns 360º no scope.

[–]Lallo-the-Long 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I, however, would appreciate debates a lot more of the debaters were in a snowboard park while they were debating. Just saying, these events could be interesting but every year political debates fail to deliver.

[–]Revoran 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Not sure what you mean by backstab. Laci had and still has a lot of views that many on this sub would disagree with.

Personally I still like a lot of her content even if I disagree with some (certainly not all) of her views.

[–]fonduman -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

I doubt she suddenly developed a brain one day. More likely she realised that popular opinion was turning against feminism, and decided to jump ship to a stance that was starting to draw in more viewers.

[–]m1serablist 24 points25 points26 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Chris Ray Gun has an amazing dick.

[–]electricalnoise 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Knowledge, speculation, or wishful thinking?

[–]m1serablist 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

unfortunately only the last two on my part.

[–]slicklol 25 points26 points27 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

That speaks more about your cynism than her possible position.

[+]fonduman -13 points-12 points-11 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Cynism? You mean cynicism? Possible position? What do you mean? There are multiple possible positions. I'm stating what I believe to be the real position out of multiple possibilities.

Learn to craft an argument instead of dismissing someone based on a vague sense of dislike for what they say because it's "cynical", as if tone determines truth.

[–]slicklol 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Wow, this reeks of cyniCIsm. The negativity is palpable.

[–]Azurenightsky 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Cynicism, is not an inherent negative. It is contextually essential to keep that in mind and not act like not trusting someone who was openly vocally, against you, suddenly turning over a new leaf around the same time that Francesca Ramsey was approaching anti sjw figures in a bid to get them "MTV money", which Laci was, once and perhaps still, a part of.

There is certainly reason to stand fast and watch.

[–]Spagooter_92er 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Dear god dude, those commas really don't deserve the way you're treating them.

[–]Azurenightsky 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I like to abuse them when I'm on mobile, suffer.

[–]Spagooter_92er 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

OK, so long as you can, appreciate my pain

[–]Azurenightsky 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That read very dramatically, good on you.

[–]jaywalk98 -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I mean it is cynicism man, you're being cynical it's not like he was wrong.

[–]fonduman 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

His claim wasn't that I was being cynical. His claim was that, by being cynical, that somehow invalidated my view.

As usual, we're being brigaded by idiots who will downvote anything they don't like though. You can tell when it happens because certain threads have about 10X the number of votes that normal threads have.

[–]MotherAce 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

so how about this. Your rather cynical claim is probably not the right one. Considering Laci is making less and less content, and she has never shown signs of caring about the growth of her channel, or to stifle controversial discourse. The path she's on is the most likely one following her statements about herself and how she thinks long before she jumped ship.

It's just unlikely your cyniscism will be shown to be anything but speculative and false.

[–]Blix_the_Goblin 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's the hipster glasses, they should make any man wary

[–]gaedikus 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

wait. is she literally saying #notallmen?

[–]Proteus_Marius 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Are the NYT's writers generally a bunch of rape sympathizers or is her comment in reference to one seemingly troubled lead writer?

[–]bumbuff 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The question that could be asked of any website/news company on most topics.

[–]IronJohnMRA 18 points19 points20 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have to say I'm pleasantly surprised by this turn of events. I hope she means it.

[+]docious 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The vast majority of women I’ve met feel this exact same way

[–]ketjapanus 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Which article is she referring to?

[–]xaaatdt 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I love hearing her talk about how much she’s changed for the better! Her boyfriend Chris Ray Gun also makes great videos on YouTube!

[–]IBRACHUBOVIC 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hit the nail on the head.

[–]Nintendobandit 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

AFAIK she is opposed to MGM done on on non-consenting minors.

[–]Stupid12yearolds 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I am starting to like Laci

[–]FruitierGnome 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Laci Green stood up for men? Can someone check if the sky is still blue?

[–]Jguy97 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She actually has been over the past few months. Around the time the red pill came out, she’s been sorta in the middle.

[–]Karma9999 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Would like to see a "body of work" before jumping on the bandwagon, let's see if she maintains this perspective once the backlash starts.

[–]F33N1X 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The backlash already started. She's been constantly under attack from former "friends" in the feminist circle ever since she started dating Chris Ray Gun

[–]AshenMacaroon 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She became the number one target of every sjw of Twitter for months and she is still going

[–]Badgerz92 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She started criticizing feminism months ago and there was a lot of backlash. One of the feminist sites removed all of her previous articles and several of my feminist friends on social media denounced her.

[–]appropriate-username 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No name scribbles/censoring? Is she a celebrity?

[–]MezzaCorux 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She used to be a hardcore feminist and now she is a male rights advocate. I’d say she’s pretty famous.

[–]appropriate-username 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fair enough.

[–]Jordioa18 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm very glad she's more about dialog and progressing from her previous feminazi standpoints

[–]Storm_Kun3 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

While I think it's good that she is taking in different mindsets and taking the red pill, we have to remember that she did in fact play a big part in ruining a Youtuber's career over an unproven allegation.

[–]lenin1928 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women can also be creeps but we only hear about successful men being accused. Dating and courtship are not equal, and society has no place destroying it with politics. Only because Feminism is sexist and has become institutionalized is why we hear about so many successful men being accused of rape or harassment. Identity politics must come to an end!

[–]TravelingShitLord3 points 8 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Sounds like she has a strong dgaf bf now...

[–]Kronos69483 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

She's with Chris Ray gun.

[+]Krissam -7 points-6 points-5 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I see Chris managed to knock some sense into that head of hers.

[+][deleted] 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Neko404 30 points31 points32 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

That’s a rather crass joke.

[–]timdesuyo 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What would you expect from a Kevin Smith movie?

[–]LoneWolfRoofRider 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

37 dicks?

[–]rebuildingMyself 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In a row?

[–]timdesuyo 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah, a few movies later, starring Ben Affleck.

[–]kneo24-5 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

His dick was her red pill.

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[+]Leocast 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What's wrong with y'all?

[–]Majahight 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Considering that this is the woman who told Blaire White that her rape was "conjecture", she can go fuck herself. I agree with this post, but I still can't stand her.

[–]orphancrippla 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I still can't help but feel like this is just a cheap PR move by her to jump ship from the feminist bullshit before it's too late. I know that's cynical as hell, but it's hard to just believe that someone would jump ship from the bullshit without an enormous push.

[–]AAKurtz 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We live in the most bizarre timeline... On a less silly/more serious note, I used to love Laci when she did atheist stuff but was bummed when she turned all radical feminist. It's so nice to have her back in the realm of reason.

[–]MaestroLogical 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ITT; A metric shit ton of gullible saps that can't identify a Chameleon when the evidence is all around them...

[–]Cardplay3r 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Not sure exactly why but I can't bring myself to believe she is honest. I think she did the "conversion" to remain relevant, maybe she thought this is more popular now and sjw ideogy is waning.

[–]Tak7ics 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah, im still skeptical of her. It was quite the about face she did.

[–]TigPlaze 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Laci Green has earned some respect from me. She decided to listen to people. Her feminist colleagues (now ex-colleagues) have crucified her for that.

[–]DarkDoesThings 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is backwards.

[–]kickrox 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I know everyone here is real, real skeptical of Laci but frankly we should all be celebrating that fact that someone can go from so wrong to at least partially right. She is currently the best case scenario we've got for the MRM.

[+]boringcarpets -18 points-17 points-16 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Chris Ray Gun's dick has the cure

[+]chambertlo -19 points-18 points-17 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You mean to tell me that a feminist can in fact be intelligent and reasonable? Color me fucking shocked and dismayed.

[–]Dank_Meems -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

All this bitch does is pander. I highly doubt she actually believes this.

[–]MechPilot1 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Shes my fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥❤

[+]CeeZees -17 points-16 points-15 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like she got the feminazi schlonged right out of her.

[+]YuenHsiaoTieng -34 points-33 points-32 points 8 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like she's accusing a group of men of being rape-sympathizing creeps. Laci still has a long way to go.

[–]perplexedm 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sounds like she's accusing a group of men of being rape-sympathizing creeps.

Male feminists probably, even feminuts does that to them, they never learn.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah they like it. Self flagellation is their thing.

[+]wredditcrew -7 points-6 points-5 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, it's great she's completely changed some of her positions to jump bandwagons. But she's still, to use her words, problematic.

Neither she nor the NYT are in the right here.

Celebrating Green is short sighted. I know "the enemy of my enemy..." and all that, but she's just attacked a different group of men, using the same bullshit feminism language as before.

This is a bad idea.

[–]adamdavid85 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

We’re not worshipping an idol, burning incense and making a blood sacrifice to her for Pete’s sake, just agreeing with what she said in a tweet.

[–]wredditcrew 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

We shouldn't be agreeing. We shouldn't be calling people "rape-sympathizing creeps" because it's counterproductive and stupid.

[–]HPGMaphax 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

You don't have the authority to dictate what we should and should not do.

[–]wredditcrew -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I have every right to state my opinion on what we should or shouldn't do, and by your logic, you have no authority to tell me otherwise, so...

[–]HPGMaphax 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I said you don't have the authority to dictate what other people should and shouldn't do, not that you can't express your opinion

[–]wredditcrew -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

And to continue on with your irrelevant nonsense, I didn't say that you said I can't express my opinion. Are you done?

[–]HPGMaphax 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I believe I managed to make my point without being rude, yes.

[–]wredditcrew -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you think that implying someone is akin to a wannabe authoritarian dictator isn't rude, we have differing opinions on a number of topics. Good day, sir or madam.

[–]YuenHsiaoTieng 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah I'm legit confused as to why I got downvoted to hell.

[–]wredditcrew 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At least I got a controversial flag, you just got hammered. If you disagree with the circle-jerk, prepare for downvotes.

Gone are the days of upvoting something that adds to the discussion regardless of if you agree with it. Fuck, I feel old.

[–]bufedad -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, NYTimes did that, she's basically saying the writers can only be speaking for themselves.

[–]gabriot -5 points-4 points-3 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Cosby is innocent

[–]Drclaw411 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Based on?

[–]gabriot -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Uh how about the fact that he was found innocent?

[–]CruelCrow -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He was legally found to be not guilty (and even then only by mistrial), which means legally we treat him as not guilty. Witch hunts are bad, and there are many cases where people are treated as guilty when they shouldn't be, but that doesn't mean he didn't commit a crime and it doesn't mean he shouldn't be held socially accountable for it.

[–]gabriot 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah let’s just treat all men as criminals until proven innocent, and even then if they weren’t proven innocent in the court of public opinion let’s still treat them as criminals.

[+]Joey_Lopez -16 points-15 points-14 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Somebody dicked here down right

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