Whenever I talk about anything gender related and how men are discriminated against, my mom gets angry.

simbuah · 2021-08-29T07:03:59+00:00

Projection. She is the sexist.

reddut_gang · 2021-08-29T03:27:29+00:00

Advocating for men's rights is seen as sexist. It's a real shame honestly, but what do you expect when modern feminism is all the rage.

TracyMorganFreeman · 2021-08-29T04:32:36+00:00

Feminism has been very good at making anyone who criticizes their narrative, their methods, or their solutions as sexist.

They have monopolized the idea of what equality means, so to the uninitiated criticizing feminism or anything it claims to be true must be anti-equality.

MentionSilver6915 · 2021-08-29T08:08:39+00:00

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StudentOfTheTruth0 · 2021-08-29T05:58:11+00:00

Feminists hate the truth because they know it is not on their side. So stating it is a thought crime, as in "sexist", "misogynist", "incel", "right wing extremist" etc. etc. etc., all of which have come to be nothing else then the synonyms of "a person telling the truth that by its nature always contradicts the feminist edifice whose foundations are all lies and fabrications".

They are afraid of the truth. They are afraid that one day the truth will be out. Hence their incessant, relentless attacks on it, including the elimination of all spaces, off line or online where men could gather and tell the truth. They carry out their relentless, endless hate campaigns against men because they know that when it comes to gender issues, men tell the truth and they lie.

Be careful, if you are young, your mum may turn against you even physically. Just watch out.

clear831 · 2021-08-29T03:27:19+00:00

Emotional people are rarely rational.

gnuban · 2021-08-29T07:31:55+00:00

In my eyes the current feminism movement acknowledges feelings as valid arguments and encourages using them to alienate and shame anyone questioning their dogmas.

Due to their belief in the patriarchy they also support the idea that men deserve punishment for what they have caused womanhood over the years.

This blatant dismissal of the humanity of men will of course not win any sympathy from men who actually support equal rights and will certainly not help the cause they claim that they're supporting, but rather drive an even bigger wedge between the genders.

Feminists use this continued separation of the genders as an argument that men are upholding the patriarchy.

So it's a big show, really, and they're only using it to benefit themselves. Expect no sympathy from someone who has been indoctrinated with these beliefs.

Billy-Batdorf · 2021-08-29T04:23:26+00:00

An ex-girlfriend did this and she was physically abusive. When you come at women with mra shit they very well could've spent their entire lives exploiting Men. You're pointing the finger whether you realize it or not. Accusing you of sexism is just the stock response they're used to.

AirSailer · 2021-08-29T03:26:36+00:00

I am dealing with the same thing with my mother. She's in her 70s and is horrified when I even question anything relating to women. I pointed out recently that commercials on Hulu no longer show as many men and there's practically zero white boys/men at all, and she lost it telling me that it doesn't matter and I need to stop being sexist. I told her she should care because her 6 yo grandson is asking why there are no boys with his skin color on the TV.

ConfederateGuy · 2021-08-29T06:50:01+00:00

Rant away Bro were here to listen and offer what support we can. If I could I share some of the single malt sctoch I'm sipping and offer you one of my favorite cigars.

Melohdy · 2021-08-29T10:41:37+00:00

She jealously guards her victimhood.

Aphinoo · 2021-08-29T05:44:18+00:00

Yeah usually when arguing a different opinion as a mra you'll be called that. Don't let it get to you.

AndyBrown65 · 2021-08-29T04:01:02+00:00

TV advertising follows a very simple formula and once you see it, you can’t unsee it. Adverts always use women, but it is usually the color of their hair that gives the game away. Adverts targeting women usually have brunette women in them, usually wearing little jewelry and makeup, but exclusively they always have dumb men. Men are portrayed woefully in TV adverts as bumbling useless idiots that need women to help them. Whenever there is physical violence or verbal abuse it is always women to men violence, never men to women violence.

Next time you watch a TV advert, just reverse the genders and if it is not acceptable, then the original advert is not acceptable.

Putting someone down to make you feel better is bullying.

TV advertising is full of bullying and women are being manipulated without them realizing it. The underlying misandry in a lot of adverts would make The Grandfather of propaganda, Joseph Goebells, proud.

So remember, we support whatever cause we want you to think you support and if you don’t buy from us you are a bigot.

Ah manipulation, advertising is all about making your weakness your strength and propaganda is advertising with someone’s values sprinkled on top. Advertising, and propaganda especially, is not “you need us”, it’s more like “we need you”

Advertising is extremely sexist and as women spend 80% of the household budget, advertisers think they need to put down men to “empower” women to buy more stuff. It’s demeaning to men, and it’s demeaning to women.

You can always tell an advert which is targeted towards women:

* Women in the advert are brunette

* Women in the advert are dressed modestly

* Women in the advert have Minimal makeup

* Women in the advert wear little jewellery

* Women in the advert “lecture” other women

* Any man in the advert is an imbecile, unable to do simple tasks unless a woman directs him.

* “You’re not a good mum if you don’t use my product”

You can tell and advert which is targeted towards men (usually beer adverts)

* Women in the advert are blonde

* Women in the advert have lots of makeup/long finger nails etc

* It’s usually mates talking about mates

* “Use my product and you’ll get the girl”

Glum-Pen-728 · 2021-08-29T05:01:29+00:00

Men can't talk about women, but women can talk about men.

If you ask them why, they will not have any rational answer. It isn't about fairness, or equality. Its about dominance through an ideology, which just happens to center on women this time around.

idrinkapplejuice42 · 2021-08-29T09:32:27+00:00

I have no solutions, but if its of any solace, I have heard basically the same thing from my mom.

Azuzu88 · 2021-08-29T16:22:25+00:00

Many women, especially ardent feminists, see mens rights as being anti-women. My university wanted to appoint a men's officer to deal with the frankly ridiculous numbers of male student suicides and other mens issues, we already had a womens officer and even an LGBTQ officer. The feminists were pissed and harassed the only candidate until he pulled out. All those suicidal male students can go fuck themselves I guess.

Deadlocked02 · 2021-08-29T04:28:18+00:00

Story of my life. Grew up in a very left-leaning household. Although my parents are more focused on working class issues than on identity politics, they still buy a lot of it. And whenever I bring some solid points and actually “win” the discussion, my mother gives me the silent treatment, like I’ve done something wrong. It’s annoying and frustrating, really, because we can talk about almost everything most of the time.

rustjelqing2 · 2021-08-29T03:36:29+00:00

I'd attempt to see how deep the rabbithole goes. Give off the impression that you've had a change of heart. Then one day tell your mom that if you were falsely accused of rape, which of course almost never happens, you'd plead guilty because doing otherwise could discourage other women from coming forward to the police.

Maybe tell her you have this nagging feeling that men are evil and violent or just socialized to be evil and violent.

This could be a good way to really get to know your mom and what you end up seeing might not be pretty.

Doogle89 · 2021-08-29T08:10:46+00:00

I didnt know I was raised by a weak minded, ignorant, bigoted mother who cannot maturely engage with opinions she disagrees with.

sohappyred · 2021-08-29T07:55:41+00:00

imo for the sake of your relationship with your mother. Just keep it to yourself with her. I've had some troubles with my family members.

Not everyone, but some people want to remain ignorant.

JustJamie- · 2021-08-29T16:49:14+00:00

If she doesn't care about men as much as she cares about women she is sexist

Itrusttheinternett · 2021-08-29T03:57:18+00:00

Don't make the same mistake I did and let them convince you it's not important.

I first visited this sub 10 years ago when there was only 40,000 subscribers here.

Since that time, I let the subject slip from mind until about 3 weeks ago.

What brought me back was meeting a feminist who conflicted with how I saw the world, and made me realise how much my life, and sense of identity actually had been damaged by my culture.

Skelkran · 2021-08-29T06:01:24+00:00

Media brainwashing, would probably drop it, she is probably too far gone, and will just ruin the relationship.

SirB0ing · 2021-08-29T07:14:18+00:00

A lot of women are allergic to liability and responsibility.

Got pregnant and didn't wanna be? Abortion.

Got drunk and you regretting having sex with that guy? Claim rape.

Got in with the wrong crowd, ended up in an abusive relationship and living in the slums? He's at fault.

She chooses a career in teaching, front counter assistant, child care, art, or any very well known low paying fields? Not her fault; she deserves to be paid a livable wage!

Decided she wants to separate from her husband because he works too much and pays all the bills? Divorce him and collect child support and alimony for YEARS (up to life)

Is given affirmative action, the right to vote, "equal opportunity", can get a car/loan/mortgage/her own place without her husband's approval? Still not enough.

She wears revealing clothing like a bikini in public, a dude is checking her out and doesn't like it? He's a perv and women aren't sexual objects (think of how that's not portrayed in media/advertising /s)

She decides to be a stay at home mom? Good for her.

She decides to pursue a career? Independent and strong woman

She doesn't want a normal job like the rest of society? Great, she can model, be a prostitute/OnlyFans etc.

We need to draft people for WW3? Great, only men.

I can keep going.

Adrchg · 2021-08-29T04:39:45+00:00

your mom thinks issues of a certain group of people are unimportant because of their gender but u are the one whose sexist? Ain't making sense.

thubtop · 2021-08-29T07:07:20+00:00

It's a matter of "social construction of reality"; she believes in a different reality she is comfortable with. First, don't talk about it, second, if anything, just point out concrete cases, but don't sound like you want to convince her. That would not work anyway.

With women on this topic, one must consider, feminism is a self-cherishing theory: It tells them they are rigiht in overpowering men, because men bad and women disadvantaged. Understand she sincerely believes that. Therefore, she cannot easily deal with contradicting evidence.

It is similar to other topics: An anti-vaxxer sincerely believes to know "more" and to be right. It usually does not help to point out the facts. Many people are not able to consider the evidence without bias.

ascendingisborn · 2021-08-29T19:42:56+00:00

Same with my mom

amey_wemy · 2021-08-29T23:59:53+00:00

Just compare men to blacks, she'll realise ur statements aren't wrong

Gaiinahat · 2021-08-30T03:07:00+00:00

Goes to show you that a man can't talk about gender issues with a woman, including their own mother.

AdhesivenessOk4785 · 2021-08-30T15:39:05+00:00

Context is needed here to understand, because she theoretically could have a point, but I also would assume from this that she is the one with bias, aka she is the sexist

WingsofSky · 2021-08-29T06:10:12+00:00

Your mom probably has "Old world views". She doesn't understand how things have changed. How women have gained and are abusing their power.

CrimsonCapricorn188 · 2021-08-29T04:50:29+00:00

You gotta throw the whole mother away

ElegantDecline · 2021-08-29T10:43:32+00:00

Your poor mom is a result of a failed generation that made the world a much worse place to live in. She don't belong to you. she belongs to the TV.

People like that, you'll never be able to convince. Not until HBO or NEtflix comes up with a special to explain it to them. they are thoroughly lost.

I would recommend not to waste your breath trying to make her understand life. Just live your own. live it as well as you can and dont let her hold you back.

majikso · 2021-08-29T10:05:42+00:00

Don't talk to her about it. Some women, hopefully not all but definitely a majority, treat other women as a tribe with their own allegiance. By their views, you get one set of morale for men and different set of morale for women.

PunkerWannaBe · 2021-08-29T05:10:01+00:00

Just tell her to stop projecting.

Jk, but maybe?

adam-l · 2021-08-29T07:37:10+00:00

The reason this feels strange is because of the stereotype that women love their children.

MentionSilver6915 · 2021-08-29T14:10:39+00:00

Our moms are a little different. Mine called me a moron and said I better find a man to take care of me bc I needed help on my biochemistry homework.🥲🤌🏼

shoe-eaterr · 2021-08-29T14:39:36+00:00

Woman moment

NameGiver0 · 2021-08-29T15:00:23+00:00

Women have an in-group bias 4.5 times stronger than men: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-are-wonderful_effect#In-group_bias

Hers apparently even causes her to side with women over her son.

bob4256 · 2021-08-29T15:04:51+00:00

She raised a human being. Your a human who has control over yourself just be you and have authentic opinions. Keep questioning the world.

dmann27 · 2021-08-29T15:36:06+00:00

Feminism does not believe in the grey area. They only accept that there are only victims and perpetrators. Men can only be perpetrators and women can only be victims. It's really sad

NostalgicKunt · 2021-08-29T15:56:08+00:00

maybe she is the sexist

Humanityhasfallen · 2021-08-29T16:25:13+00:00

Same issue with my own mother, quite interesting isn't it.

AverageHorribleHuman · 2021-08-29T17:19:08+00:00

I dont understand why anyone would get angry... Advocating for the rights of one group does not mean you don't care about the rights of another. It's not a discrimination contest

rockafault · 2021-08-29T17:47:52+00:00

Just check into the local chapter of divorce lawyers and judges, interview and record them, then show your mom her very own personal documentary into the court system.

jrobohn66 · 2021-08-29T18:00:33+00:00

Mine does too. Tribalism in action.

Tanktopjones · 2021-08-29T18:13:01+00:00

Keep doing it

MrSnrlub · 2021-08-29T19:13:02+00:00

"In." "Group." "Preference." I have also encountered this at times. I fear we may all have them by default.

ApprehensiveMail8 · 2021-08-29T19:19:19+00:00

It sucks that your mother doesn't support men's rights.

And I hear that you are not looking for a solution. But... I'M looking for a solution. So, may I pry a bit?

Is she really angry? Or is she feeling something else and it is just coming across as anger?

Weeb_gamer_mp4 · 2021-08-29T22:45:10+00:00

Whenever I mention that, my mom think I’m sexist. I feel your pain.

Hellfang1 · 2021-08-30T03:29:12+00:00

I would tell her that you didn't know she was such a swxist and man hatter. I would warn her if she doesn't support you that blood is not always thicker than water. A mother like that for a man is toxic. If you have any sons I would warn her against teaching him her sexist ways or she won't see him. You need to stand up to women and let them know your not for that crao. I don't care if its your mother, sister, or wife. They will either get it and shut up or they will realize what they lost later.

Puzzleheaded_Use187 · 2021-08-30T18:36:53+00:00

😂

Fragrant-Treacle7316 · 2021-08-29T06:34:54+00:00

Feminism is like sanitizer, (yes we need to tackle woman issues), when you put it on your hands, that papercut on your thumb hurts. This papercut is the Mens Rights. Hurts real bad. This analogy for feminist=sanitizer also happens to be my metaphor for it's superficial nature.

Greg_W_Allan · 2021-08-29T08:30:08+00:00

Mum projects like a multiplex. Get away from her as soon as possible.

CallOfReddit · 2021-08-29T09:44:35+00:00

Just ask her if she's for gender equality. If she doesn't want to defend a man who's screwed by the system but would defend a woman, she's just what I call a leech feminist.

ItsMeVeriity · 2021-08-29T12:22:05+00:00

If you want to think about this rationally: try and solve the problem. Think about how you worded something and why it would trigger her to respond that way. This requires you to actually know the person and how they think and empathize with them though. Since its your mom, you should be able to understand it.

A good way to gage what to do: ask her why she said that. Just ask. Ask what it is you have done to be sexist cuz you thought at the time you were saying something that wasn't putting down women, but only shedding light to a wrong. Politics are not meant to be discussed with everyone and you shouldn't put yourself in an echo chamber only either. I dont speak about politics with my mother or religion. It damages our relationship too much. Maybe yall cant do that either.

Zantillex · 2021-08-29T12:35:22+00:00

Shes been warped. She obviously wants the best for everyone because I doubt your mom is a bad person but she really believes thats advocating for women’s rights is completely fine but being equal and also advocating for men’s rights is sexist? Tell her to stop watching the news and stop believing everything people say on social media.

mrbillismadeofclay · 2021-08-29T09:39:52+00:00

My 80 year old mother sometimes does this. I make fun of her to her face when she does this.

LW_YT · 2021-08-29T10:51:09+00:00

Ask her what she thinks of men, and if she'd prefer a world without women

sumfacilispuella · 2021-08-29T14:13:58+00:00

why are people surprised that women who were born before women could be fully functioning members of society are a little fucked up from that?

Sergey32321 · 2021-08-29T11:38:58+00:00

Your mother is a hoe and you should just cut contact with her, you don't need toxic people in your life

atheist4thecause · 2021-08-29T11:28:33+00:00

Family is usually not the best place to try to change society. Family doesn't have to agree on politics to get along. There are better avenues to talk about issues and change society. I mean, it makes sense to put out feelers but given how she's responding I wouldn't keep pushing it.

TuckerKarlsin · 2021-08-29T12:31:50+00:00

This whole post is hilarious

ATWaltz · 2021-08-29T12:55:43+00:00

Simple retort to that is that she is being sexist by enforcing a biased and one-sided view, the truth is there is discrimination from both genders and each gender has a tendency to view it's own issues more strongly than the others'.

It's very similar to how people who are the same economical class or the same nationality empathise more easily with their own plight than those of others.

I suppose you could say a strong tendancy to view issues that relate only to one's own identity and to dismiss those of people's whose situation or qualities greatly differ is the same principal/inherent trait that guides racism and elitism, I'd imagine it's correlated inversely with "openess to experience".

The base of the matter is that if one expects consideration from those who differ to them of their problems they also need to be willing to consider the unique situation of those with different characteristics to themselves, otherwise it's nothing more than hypocrisy.

ZeroAssassin72 · 2021-08-29T13:10:44+00:00

Love how it's only "sexist" when it's about men

Neatche · 2021-08-29T13:33:23+00:00

Appologize for your penile condition!

hottake_toothache · 2021-08-29T13:36:40+00:00

Pay attention. This is a really important lesson for you to learn about women. It is not just her.

Miserable_Arm_4495 · 2021-08-29T13:50:20+00:00

It took me years to convince family of many falsehoods. Eventually they caved.

klought9 · 2021-08-29T14:02:42+00:00

It's a hard part of life. You discover with age that your Mother, and Grandmother are just women.

z770i1 · 2021-08-29T14:24:16+00:00

I would answer this: I didnt know advocating for women and mens rights was sexist. So i will just focus on mens rights instead then. If i advocate for both, then i must be sexist.

mfox01 · 2021-08-29T14:43:54+00:00

My mom is the same way. They’ve already subscribed to their beliefs you can’t change them.

AndemianAndem1 · 2021-08-29T14:55:39+00:00

Your mom is the one who's sexist, not you.

Nergaal · 2021-08-29T14:59:18+00:00

how does the red pill taste? bitter?

Gothrenapp · 2021-08-29T15:32:07+00:00

Or, the question she should be asking herself is she didn't know SHE was a sexist. Suddenly it's considered selfish to stand up for yourself in ways you feel your own group is oppressed.

Beltox2pointO · 2021-08-29T06:01:58+00:00

"one time I was talking to her about how men are discriminated against in the justice system"

This is not in anyway indicative of being a sexist.

Your mother is saying this because of other actions you have taken, or things you have said.

The assumption if you're still at home and quite young, you're being excessively "both sides" of any greivance that is aired about women in the house.

Your example is obviously one-sided to garner support. But you need to look at your own actions and truthfully come to terms with what would make your mother say that about you.

Whenever I talk about anything gender related and how men are discriminated against, my mom gets angry.

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