Being wanted is better than being needed

MarioWilson122 · 2026-04-21T06:31:24+00:00

That only sounds better on paper. In practice, it just raises the bar. If a man is not naturally desirable, removing “being needed” means he has fewer ways to compete. So yes, being wanted is ideal, but that does not make it easier. It makes it harder for a lot of men who do not have strong looks, status, or presence.

For those men, money, stability, and utility were ways to stay in the game. Take that away and tell them “just be wanted,” and now they are competing in a lane where they were already weak. So the issue is not that being wanted is bad. The issue is that when necessity disappears, the margin for average or below-average men shrinks a lot.

BlackTransMaam2 · 2026-04-20T15:47:32+00:00

Men want to be needed, but they want to at least pretend it's for who they are and that there's something in it for them. A man wants to be needed by beautiful young women even if it's basically just for his money. Men aren't interested in being needed by single mothers.

Flaneur50 · 2026-04-20T18:02:01+00:00

I think there's a somewhat justifiable fear that women generally don't like men much and separately aren't that attracted to us. This makes letting go of the idea of being needed more challenging. And sure, "why would men or a man want to be with a woman if she doesn't like or much desire him?" is a valid quaetion but fears don't care about valid or rational.

This fear may not have much or a basis in reality but modern men who have been "listening to women" would be foolish not to have some such fear.

frustratedAFRN · 2026-04-20T14:23:22+00:00

Debating whether being wanted or needed is better is a complete waste of time unless we define what we are being wanted or needed for.

For example, being "wanted" for your good humour and infectious energy is great, but you can just as easily be "wanted" for your ability to take her to nice restaurants or "wanted" for her to make all her friends jealous - yet nobody would argue those are good things to be wanted for.

In the same way, being "needed" for your money or your health insurance is not good, but being "needed" for emotional support is not anywhere near as bad and arguably a good thing. "I need you to pay the mortgage otherwise I'm homeless" is NOT the same thing as "I need your support to help us achieve our goals in life" or "I need you to enjoy life to the fullest".

It's not as simple as needed bad, wanted good. Wants are extremely fickle.

DietTyrone · 2026-04-20T14:41:25+00:00

Unless you're handicapped, technically nobody needs anybody. However, for the individuals who feel the need to announce this fact, it comes off as insecure. Has the same energy as if a guy went around saying he's Alpha. Sounds like he's compensating, otherwise, why would he feel the need to tell everyone around him this. Confident people, don't feel the need to tell everyone they're confident. Most people don't have to go around stating that they don't need other people. Under normal circumstances a conversation like this wouldn't even occur.

BobtheArcher2018 · 2026-04-21T07:58:24+00:00

Maybe. Men are confused about what the underlying reality of female attraction is at a population level scale. So they can't figure out where their relationship fits and what the costs might be for her having a given level of attraction. Obviously, not all of this process would take fully consciously at the individual level.

OppositeBeautiful601 · 2026-04-20T15:46:41+00:00

The argument hinges on a definition it never defends. "Need" here means instrumental need — you're a means to an end, a tool. And against that specific version, sure, being wanted is better. That part holds.

But there's another kind of need — attachment need, where someone's absence creates genuine loss and their presence isn't interchangeable with anyone else's. That's not transactional. That's actually close to what "want" is supposed to mean in this post. So the binary only survives by a definitional bait-and-switch — loading the worst possible meaning into need while leaving want unexamined.

It also ignores something men observe pretty consistently: the path to being desired frequently runs through being needed in some form. Status, capability, reliability — these aren't alternatives to attraction, they're often prerequisites for it. Which creates a problem for the post's actual advice. It tells men to pursue want over need while dismissing the behaviors — being capable, dependable, high-value — that generate the want in the first place. You can't just choose to be on the roof. The post removes the ladder and calls it wisdom.

The deeper issue is the asymmetry. Women moving away from needing men is framed as progress. Men wanting to matter, to be genuinely depended on, is framed as insecurity needing correction. But apply a consistent standard: if female attraction is heavily contingent on status and resources, is that "want" — or is it just instrumental need wearing a more flattering label? That question doesn't get asked here.

The post treats want as a pure spontaneous feeling and need as a cold transaction. But we want people who fulfill our needs. By pathologizing mutual dependence, the post isn't promoting wholesome relationships — it's promoting a model where everyone is interchangeable the moment the feeling fluctuates.

Barely-moral · 2026-04-20T18:09:31+00:00

"Want" is an unstable and fickle feeling.

You don't build on top of sand.

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brazenbull09 · 2026-04-21T11:54:34+00:00

Ironically, a branch of your sentiment is "the guy she wants to fuck VS the guy she wants to marry" which is a very popular conversation amongst us men.

A woman who wants you will probably give you sex with little to no friction.

Now a woman who needs you MAY do the same, the toll is just way higher.. she may regret it afterword, she may recognize it as something she's only doing out of a need for you, resulting in her enjoying it less, and possibly resenting you for doing something out of necessity rather than interest.

I dont want to be needed, it's too much responsibility. I also dont need women, I want them, which is why my interactions with them bear sweeter fruit.

As man we have a long way to go in letting go of this desire to be needed, especially since it corrupts both us and the people who need us.

Hopeful-Card305 · 2026-04-23T00:17:37+00:00

Wonder what Buddha says about wanting.

xxTheMagicBulleT · 2026-04-20T15:13:01+00:00

I think you misunderstood being desired and attraction.

To want and needed.

No men needs a women. And this day and age no women needs a men.

We talking about sexual desire and attention to want to be a part of someone's world and life to intertwine each other's life and goals together.

What have nothing to do with just classical want and need. A relationship will never be the same as needing oxygen or needing water.

Why if people don't benefit in equal ways of each other. So as much as people give they take in natural ways there will be a balance.

Why especially with causal dating and hookup up culture way seeing there relationship on that level on there side but demanding a more traditional outcomes on the other side makes you get modern outcomes not traditional ones. Why for example single parent status have never been so high.

Cause to many people are selfish and wanna take and take and not give.

So the need was never a question no one needs anyone. If your a adult every person has there own life working fine.

And needy people are like people that most the time are not partners at all but like adopting a child instead. Not the type of equal partner that a relationship suppose to be wit respect and responsibility you can trust in as representation of you cause thats what a actual relationship is. Thats not the casual thing or the hook up thing. But people have so often the casual or hookup type of way of looking at relationships but wanna demand traditional outcomes. What fundamentally does not work cause modern relationships do not get traditional outcomes in most case's cause in most cases the investment is not equal. So if people are like in hook up or casual relationships half in half out the relationship. And often acting single while in a relationship so not holding the responsibility they should is why the traditional outcomes almost never comes out.

So yes no one actually needs the other side if you wanna look at it that way. But also if its the modern version its actually a ton of people actual don't even want the other side at all. Cause people are to selfish to demanding and want all the things but want to do nothing for it. And thats in the rise the actual fact people completely turned off of how the other side is reacting and to extreme and to selfish that they actually become invisible to many.

Outside_Memory5703 · 2026-04-20T18:52:05+00:00

As any first wife discarded for a younger model could tell you, no

DesiCodeSerpent · 2026-04-20T20:06:18+00:00

I agree, but you need to consider that societal conditioning teaches men to control women. Control brings unpaid labour and lots of luxury they can have. If there's no need, how will they control? That's why many men are very focused on women needing them.

70sJungleBush · 2026-04-20T14:50:39+00:00

It’s only a problem because the initial premise is completely wrong. Women only think they no longer need men. See how long your infrastructure and society lasts without us.

SeemedGood · 2026-04-20T16:30:01+00:00

Need tends to encourage the strongest want.

mobjack · 2026-04-20T15:02:14+00:00

In practice, saying "I need you" comes off stronger than saying "I want you".

"Needing you" doesn't mean that the woman literally needs you to survive. It means that she yearns for you so much that it feels like a basic need.

Alternative_Cod2280 · 2026-04-20T15:39:20+00:00

What you want can change on a whim, what you need rarely ever does unless something tangible happens. It's about guarantee and not feeling replaceable or disposable, of course trust would be better but it doesn't always work and is sometime an open door for betrayal or more problems.

and I’m not really sure why that’s a problem

Maybe if saying "women no longer need men" wasn't almost always thrown with a such disdain toward men, they would be more inclined to believe or see the positive side of these words?

Puzzleheaded_Card_71 · 2026-04-20T16:09:32+00:00

Being needed endures. While wanted is ideal, it’s a passing thing subject to the emotional reaction of women. You can be wanted now and considered undesirable due to an illness, an accident, or the march of time.

It also rewards the strengths of the average man - his ability to provide, his willingness to commit to one woman. It’s a known quantity and men can see how well they stack up against their peers.

That need made women want to keep a man happy and she appreciated that without him, life was much worse. This is before we removed all shame and judgment like we do now.

Look, most men are like pickup trucks. Functional and needed for work and to maintain a home. Not fancy sport or luxury trucks, just basic lower trim models. We can’t just become sports cars, specialty trucks like a raptor, or luxury cars, which is what we would all drive if we could.

When a tool is needed it is valued. The value comes from appreciating what that tool does, not how good it looks.

Throw_r_a_2021 · 2026-04-20T17:40:35+00:00

When men were more likely to be needed rather than desired, proportionally more men found the kind of relationships they desired. Now that men are desired rather than needed, proportionally fewer men find the kind of relationships they desire.

If it were true that being desired is better than being needed, then certainly it should be easy to recognize that for many, being needed is better than being rejected.

Fragrant-Menu215 · 2026-04-20T15:04:35+00:00

For men being needed is one of the big drivers of what makes us feel wanted. They go together. We want to be the one she wants to turn to when she's in need. It's that provider and protector instinct that's hard-coded into our brains.

And the thing is: women want to need us, too. There's no coincidence that relationships are doing worse than ever before as we've restructured society to make women not need a not-hired man at all.

Title	Being wanted is better than being needed
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Date	April 20, 2026 2:15 PM UTC (3 months ago)
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