So what is the alternative??

Gravel_Roads · 2024-06-22T22:39:06+00:00

What a lot of people do to get partners is just make friends, meet and hang out with new people regularly and just naturally end up dating the people they get along with.

I think for people who have this sort of experience, where you treat people well and people treat you well, it’s hard to imagine why anyone would want the “just be an asshole” shit.

Doedoe_243 · 2024-06-23T06:53:54+00:00

(No offense OP but that was a mess to read so I reformatted for you, feel free to point out if you feel I misrepresented anything.)

I’m talking specifically to those of you who are against red pill and call it a “incel ideology” What is the solution/alternative?

I notice with people who align with this their only response to things is to just critique and counter, but it’s never “what do you do from here”

Doing this just makes you seem very argumentative and disingenuous.

The reason people like Tate, red pill and all that stuff blew up is because they relate to a problem men have. And then they give you a solution, which starts to appeal to more people. You may not agree with everything, but someone with a lot of logic is gonna be more interested in that instead of your response “stop watching it”

The only responses I see from blue pill people to anything that opposes them is just “No not true." ”You just get no woman.” “Proof?” “Not all (blank) are like this!” “Well you are just around (blank) people!”

If you really want to convince someone of anything, you need to show why your solution works, and tbh I don’t see the blue pill way of thinking work.

I use to be just as blue pill, and what made me get into red pill is the fact that people CRITICIZE it so much and I started to be curious, I agreed with the entire thing because it was showing facts, statistics, personal experiences aligning with those facts and actual solutions that work. My life also became a lot better, I got more women, my mindset was a lot stronger, I am having a lot more sex too.

We can shame red pill all we want, but it’s the red pill guys with the money, the sex and the feminine wife that men want.

So blue pillers, WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION to everything that’s just “better” than red pill to help navigate men through dating? It seems the advice they are telling us is to “go with the flow and live life on a reckless unpredictable program ”

LaborAustralia · 2024-06-23T09:07:18+00:00

The red pill in a vacuum doesn't necessarily give bad advice. Getting fit, becoming confident and social, gaining status etc are all things that will improve someone's dating prospects. The problem with the the red pill is that it will misapply or misunderstand the psy or evo psy literature (and mix it with gendered bias) to draw downright false or misogynistic conclusions and as a result shoot themselves in the foot.

For example, while it is true that women prefer muscular bodies, according to the literature men overestimate the level of sexual dimorphism (in terms of face and body, and voice) that is attractive to women by a large amount. This is where you get a lot of ''male gaze'' maxing in the red pill space, compared to what women actually find attractive. The whole trend where dudes shave their head, grow big beards and tubo bulk is embolic of this.

And other point would be the pedestalization of anti-social behaviour and dark triad traits. Cross- culturally women actually prefer pro-social behaviour quite strongly. The red pill simply noticed that the DT had greater numbers of casual relationships and merely assumed that DT traits simply being attractive to women was the causal factor with no greater analysis. So at best you have a bunch of dorks trying to be psychopaths or at worst guys that are already quite high in DT being encouraged to push it harder when toing it down would actually make them more attractive and give them better relationships.

Downtown_Cat_1173 · 2024-06-23T02:05:24+00:00

The vast majority of people who consume Andrew Tate’s content are teenagers. Literal boys who have no concept of adult relationships. There is not a societal problem that faces men that compels them to gamify relationships, and most men who consume redpill content are single.

The alternative is to act normal. Meet people through work or school or your neighborhood or social interests. If all of those people are men, that’s still okay, because men know other women. Hang out socially in groups. Go to parties. Mingle with strangers and meet people. Talk to women until you find one you click with. Ask her out.

krackedy · 2024-06-22T21:13:30+00:00

You should take care of your body and hygiene, push yourself to be your best in every way you can, be social and meet and get to know new people. Learn your strengths and weaknesses. Don't sit at home swiping on an app and don't hit on strangers at a club, just get to know regular people. Flirt. Escalate if there's chemistry.

There's no secret method to guarantee someone success or hot women.

I'm short (5'6 ish) and average looking and not rich. I've never struggled with women. I'm fun to be around and extroverted. You gotta play your strengths and know your audience.

You don't need some guy on YouTube to tell you to hit the gym and clean your room.

Wattehfok · 2024-06-22T21:20:03+00:00

Terp shit is just self help + misogyny.

If you throw away the misogyny, I don’t have a problem.

The self help will help you develop a little self confidence, some self-esteem, and a richer life.

Working on yourself is working on your love life.

You can build yourself up without developing deranged conspiracy theories about women. They’re just people.

SaBahRub · 2024-06-22T22:09:35+00:00

I don’t think red pill shouldn’t exist, and I’m sure it can and does work very well for the right people in the right circumstances

I’m just going to call it what it is — misogyny — and deny that it is the universal truth

Solondthewookiee · 2024-06-22T21:51:32+00:00

Being a good person, respecting women, and not centering your entire existence around getting a girlfriend.

If you really want to convince someone of anything, you need to show why your solution works,

Dude. Look around. Red Pill doesn't work. Any sub where they congregate, just like this one, proves that. So let's dispense with this fantasy that men choose red pill "because it works."

I agreed with the entire thing because it was showing facts, statistics, personal experiences aligning with those facts, actual solutions that work.

The studies and statistics used by red pillers, where they even exist, are grossly misrepresented and frequently say the exact opposite of what red pillers claim.

Red pill ideology spreads because it blames women for men's issues and assiduously avoids ever suggesting that you could be the problem beyond going to the gym and getting richer.

Wodanaz-Frisii · 2024-06-22T22:40:59+00:00

The alternative is to be a decent human being.

Doedoe_243 · 2024-06-23T07:18:41+00:00

The problem with the post is you're not giving a specific problem so I'm going to focus on this part "I got more woman, my mindset was a lot stronger, I am having a lot more sex" and give a non-redpilled way to achieve this.

For casual sex trad stuff tends to work pretty well, trad masculinity is appealing to a lot of women sexually and studies do agree with this, being strong, independent, dominant and financially successful (expressing it through clothes, cars, watches, ect) will probably work great for casual sex.

For a LTR you can take trad traits and reshape them. "Be dominant" becomes "Be assertive" Which means assert your needs respectfully, don't let them go unmet and don't oppress someone else to get them met. "Be a provider" becomes flexible to the situation. If the woman's successful financially providing housework would be fine, you'll also be providing emotional support and unconditional love and understanding. "Be manly" becomes be yourself and don't put up a false masculine front. Something to note is you can seriously benefit from mixing both of these, when it comes to sex being trad masculine is good for flirting and the activity itself but functioning in a relationship needs her to not just be attracted but feel like she's in a fair relationship, not overshadowed and other things trad stuff tends to do wrong.

Ha good way to build a strong mindset starts at confidence. Low confidence impacts a lot about your life so work on it. Making small goals and acknowledging those victories is a good place to start because this will help you step out of your comfort zone and get bigger victories. Exercising makes you feel confident and can be a good place to set goals and meet them. Dressing confidently also helps how we dress impacts how we view ourselves and how people view us. Replace negative thoughts with positive ones, this is a pretty backed up thing long story short bad thought bubbles up from a situation, replace it with a positive thought and overtime your mindset shifts. This is something a lot of people can benefit from learning about and overall that's really the best solution someone can give is to learn about confidence and overall building a strong mindset.

The general answer to your question is being big mighty joe isn't the solution to all problems and there are more effective methods to reach the goal of happiness, good relationships, sex, money, or whatever it is. Trad stuff is built on truth but also built on a society where men were placed above women, break the traits down with a modern mindset of being fair and see if you can't find a model that works and isn't toxic.

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Sharp_Engineering379 · 2024-06-23T04:06:09+00:00

A social life.

Same as it ever was.

Title	So what is the alternative??
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Date	June 22, 2024 8:37 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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