Why aren't Rollo Tomassi, Donovan Sharpe and Rich Cooper spinning early 20 year old plates?

DangZagnut · 2020-07-20T16:24:54+00:00

They're aren't spinning shit because literally the only thing they can do is go to the gym to "kinda" stay in shape so they can be door to door salesmen for snake oil to fat guys.

"Hit the gym and lift!" knowing fatties will never do that, then sell them "game" nonsense which is ridiculous clap trap. Either it's basic common knowledge, or basic common charisma, or basic common having the slightest self-respect, which your autists and spergs don't have, but those spergs to have tendie money lying around to learn "game" or so called "acting like a human being".

Throw some BS about "personal success" and drive around in a sports car in a self-help video and you look just like those 90s "how to make money in real estate" scam artists in a 1 hour rental of a private plane as a film set.

lilastr · 2020-07-20T16:22:51+00:00

Gonzalo Lira is one ugly looking ass as well

jigglypuff__0 · 2020-07-20T19:08:48+00:00

Once you hit a certain age (and this is the case for all unattractive men at any age) you have to pay 20 year olds straight up to be with them.

Unless you look like george cloony in your late 40s and 50s your twenty year old girl friend will be nothing short of a sugar baby.

Men who want more respect will date closer to their age, will date single moms and everything they taught you to hate.

No amount of charm will have a 40 year old a viable option for a young woman unless he’s got cold hard cash or she has insane mental health and daddy issues. But even then she probably won’t be that attractive, cause she’d have younger richer options to choose from.

Spinning plates for life is a fantasy. If you want to do it you’ll need to pay more and more the older you get. Which is fine. Just know what it is. I imagine while some old men are happy to foot the bill, the men like those self proclaimed red pill gurus got tired of spending and juggling and attempted to get something a little more real.

Edit: I believe men can find pretty genuine connections with women 10 years their minor. More than that becomes sugar baby/daddy status.

kwalden2 · 2020-07-20T16:57:03+00:00

The answer to your question seems obvious. Either they no longer want to, or they can't. Full stop.

It is YOUR situation that puzzles me.

will setup trust to protect her and kids but don't believe in marriage contract).

You want to protect her. This means, most likely, you are living with her and expecting her to make allowances for you in her life. You have what sounds like a more age appropriate woman is your past who already gave you children (correct me if I'm wrong), but you want more chidlren. The financial arrangement will allegedly already be there to put you at risk. This means supporting TWO sets of people. Why not get married, exactly? Would seem to make a lot more sense to me...

CMOAN_MAYNE · 2020-07-20T18:33:59+00:00

It’s simple

They’re grifters

If you want to learn the masculine way of life, follow people like Jocko Willink, not rando 40-year olds who unironically write books containing the word “beta”

Workaholiconew · 2020-07-20T16:24:53+00:00

First, they are known as TRP grandparents for a reason.

Second, men also age. And with it, our sexdrive.Do you think men sex drive stays the same for our entire lives? It doesn't.

Many of us only spin plates because we can't bear being sexless, but as we age, it becomes easier and easier. I mean, I only intent on spinning plates until 35(I am 28). If I don't marry until them, I probably will leave the market forever. Spinning plates is hard and I do not intent on doing it forever.

Third. TRP is a community but we are there for knowledge, who gives it does not matter really. There is no de facto leaders, at best there is mods. Who is the leader of the scientific community?

goatismycopilot · 2020-07-20T18:11:41+00:00

So you have a bunch of children? Is that with different forever GF breeders or the same forever GF breeder? Do you remember your kid's names?

2020-07-20T16:20:42+00:00

People who try to monetize basic life advice are not the ones who tend to even follow their own advice.

A guy doing well is also not going to feel the need to think "how can I make money off of this" since its kinda limited in scope.

Sultmaker_9000 · 2020-07-20T16:44:53+00:00

Because red pill is just a philosophy, you still need game. You can only really judge guys who are selling you PUA courses for women, since that is specifically just about pickup.

Wrathful_Buddha · 2020-07-20T21:13:01+00:00

Red Pill really isn't the best advice for having an optimal sex life for a heterosexual male, its more basic sex advice. If you want good advice you should focus on a career with a good ROI for the money/time/effort spent on education, build muscle without losing flexibility by doing gymnastics strength training, follow fat fire advice for investing, and learn game through Mark Manson's models approach, so you don't waste time overthinking trying to be someone you're not. By the time you retire early you've improved your looks, became financially independent and have the status to attract the women you desire.

thetruthishere_ · 2020-07-21T00:10:39+00:00

Rollo looks like a scrub bum, Rich thinks his shit doesn't stink and it does, he has a beard to cover his weak jawline and driving around in some sports car like he's a stud, whipty do, you have a nice car.

Donovan is a tool that gets on camera with his shirt off like hes some stud with is way cluttered background. His life is probably cluttered and a messy more than he portrays just from the background of his videos.

Its how these men come off to me.

That said, they have Some valid content but they are not someone to really look up to in my eyes.

SmurfESmurferson · 2020-07-20T22:32:45+00:00

I’m dating someone 11 years my senior. I’m 40, he’s 51

The truth is that these TRP/PUAs are selling a fantasy to 20-something men. Actual adults don’t want to be with people just out of their teen years, no matter how sexually attractive they are

Also, this is the weirdest humblebrag post

DareyFathom · 2020-07-20T17:04:31+00:00

RP doesn't endorse an easy lifestyle, rather largely the opposite. I have never followed any of those three closely, but as men age, gaming girls becomes increasingly less appealing.

alphadawg26 · 2020-07-20T21:19:22+00:00

To play devils advocate, if Rollo has been married to the same woman for 30+ years, they got together in her early 20s so she has given him her “best” years and prob didn’t have a ton of experience before....which is also a TRP value. Also, lots of folks gel well with monogamy, perhaps they found the best partner they can get in each other and hypergamy didn’t apply?

Whisper · 2020-07-21T01:22:17+00:00

So what are you going to do when you are in your forties and your girlfriend is in her thirties? You have two options:

Dump her and replace her with a twentysomething.
Laugh it off when people assume you "can't" date twentysomethings because your game isn't tight enough.

The first approach implies the question of why you were with someone so replaceable to begin with, let alone for a decade.

The second forces you to accept that old age happens to everyone, and will happen not only to her but to you, and that even Arnold Schwarzenegger isn't all that ripped anymore.

Eventually, time stops giving you things and starts taking them away. The only relevant question is if you are better off decaying from a position of having worked on yourself and continuing to do so, or from a position of just doing whatever because you think it all boils down to money and status?

I don't have to convince myself that the universe is fair (hah ahahahah), or that all effort and knowledge pays off equally, to know you are better off if you hear my advice than if you don't. But it's no skin off my back if you don't agree. I'm not selling seminars.

Rodders88 · 2020-07-21T06:05:27+00:00

Rich cooper is just an angry simp.

asdf333aza · 2020-07-21T12:48:45+00:00

Congrats on your 20 something year old gf. Not sure how you do it.

I don't blame them for not having young gfs in their 20s. I'm in my 20s and I don't even find girls in my own age range as "gf material". They're fuckable, but definitely not dateable. Lotsf them have kids, lots of them still live off their parents money. Some don't have any goals in life besides party and twerking upside down. Then literally more than half them are grossly overweight and obese. And then you got the good chunk of them that think they're gangbangers. And then the feminazi college aged ones. A "normal" or average type of girl next door archetype is an endangered species. Lots of girls in their 20s who you can fuck, but barely any of them are worth more than that in regards to a relationship.

2020-07-20T18:20:24+00:00

they are fakes dude

DicamVeritatem · 2020-07-20T18:25:14+00:00

The OP speaks as if red pill praxeology is merely a seduction strategy. It’s a much broader thing than that, encompassing the internalization of the knowledge of the true nature of women (and men) and living one’s life in recognition of the sometimes ugly reality.

zayelion · 2020-07-20T18:48:21+00:00

Younger women have their looks, as you get older other things become important. Having a refined decent personality, not being self destructive, basic decision making skills, planning skills, simple establishment as to not be a total leech.

Younger women are emotionally draining and risky to date due to lacking theses things on the average. Due to the whole "patriarchy" and "hypergamy" yatta yatta, women get these in their 30s.

majani · 2020-07-20T19:58:12+00:00

Roosh V was another super spergy red pill leader. I chalk it down to "those who can, do, those who can't, teach"

Market_Feudalism · 2020-07-20T18:40:05+00:00

Because looks is #1

madcockatiel · 2020-07-21T03:24:47+00:00

It’s because they’re weird, old, ugly, or all three. Just like every self proclaimed red pill guy.

CuriousIncel2 · 2020-07-20T17:03:07+00:00

People who think that spinning plates is for everyone are no better than feminists who keep complaining about not enough female CEO's as if anyone can wake up tomorrow and become a CEO. So I don't blame these guys for milking their gullible audience for all it's worth.

The reality is its NOT easy to follow Red Pill truths that basically come down to having high status, good income and being in good shape with some genetics for looks/intelligence for earning money

The way I look at it, those people you mention are disseminating some information they claim works. It behooves me to atleast try and experiment to see if it works, because there is literally no negatives to getting your shit together and getting in shape.

Personally, I've incorporated aspects of game that have helped me in my relationships. But I determined that the the amount of effort and money I was investing was not justified by the magnitude (lack thereof) of results I was getting, so spinning plates is not for me.

So if someone wants to complain that stuff doesn't work, I just ask them how much effort have they put in, and more often than not, people don't actually want to put in any work, just magically get results. It's the difference between taking responsibility and shifting blame, even if it's just blaming "luck" or genetics.

Joey_Lopez · 2020-07-21T02:27:02+00:00

Because when you get older you aren't as interested in running around chasing thots. Rollo is more interested in his family and his work than he is in trying to get validation by having a younger girl.

throw-away-1709 · 2020-07-21T16:30:52+00:00

I'm little older than Tomassi, my now ltr is 21. I'm not into spinning plates. But AWALT holds true.

Mrs_Drgree · 2020-07-22T15:59:07+00:00

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Laetiporus1 · 2020-07-23T03:04:17+00:00

Not that it matters but Rollo has one adult daughter and has been married a little over twenty years. Maybe 22? I think his wife is an RN.

Cooper was married to an optometrist or some kind of eye doctor and has one daughter. IMO his ex wife was hot and successful and he was drawn to that. He overlooked her flaws because he wanted to keep up appearances as someone successful.

Don’t have dirt on Donovan, lol.

John_Magnus · 2020-08-09T17:47:53+00:00

I know HBomberGuy is a leftist, but I think even he has pointed out (along with others) that PUA does not actually increase your attractiveness to women, but simply makes you approach more and play the numbers game. It maximizes exposure to women who find you potentially attractive, but it pushes you towards women who would already have some attraction towards you. It's mostly placebo.

Tongue37 · 2020-08-21T19:18:55+00:00

I'm a fan of Tomassi, Cooper, and Donovan and bulldog mindset but I really am curious how good they are with women. Sure, they are red pill and seem to know female behavior in and out but how many plates are they spinning?

Rollo was a rock star but he's married and that in itself confuses me.he claims he doesn't "game" his wife but if he isn't, how does he stay in frame?

Donovan has a 36 year old gf it seems and she helps him with his YouTube channel.. He claims red pill yet needs a constant woman in his life for not just sex but for companionship.. Rollo and Donovan both strike me as needing female validation despite what they claim

The modern dating life guy is comical and I doubt is even pulling 6s on a regular basis. I heard him bragging a few days ago about how many women are chasing him lol. He came off so corny and fake there abd even the other red pill guys in the video seemed to think it was lame

Rich Cooper I have no idea how well he does with women. I'm younger than him but at his age, is he honestly still going out there meeting women and spinning plates?!

I have no answer for you OP as I'm curious myself. Even the RSD guys and Todd, are they hakf as good as they claim? Some are in their 40s yet still think one night stands and spinning plates is what makes life great?

Tongue37 · 2020-08-21T19:24:22+00:00

Btw Rich Cooper seems to be mostly into giving guys overall life advice, not just dating advice. He rarely talks about going out to pick up women or about spinning plates

Many of these red pill guys career is their YouTube channel or seminars. Will this impress women? Probably not

DoIAnnoyYouBadly · 2020-08-22T17:00:44+00:00

I follow Matt Cross. He is red pill and got that way through doing pic up for 20 plus years. He’s in is 40s, millionaire, entrepreneur and on a 5-6 girl dating rotation with all girls in their 20s. Has two YouTube channels: 33 secrets and 44 secrets to be a real alpha male.

Elquenosabe · 2020-09-05T08:05:25+00:00

You are right. However, regardless of Rollo's sexual life I give him a credit for having an intelligent look on the intersexual dynamics. He writes quality shit.

Unfortunately, he lost a lot of his reputation and credibility lately after he started promoting some clowns and weird young dudes who seem like con-artists (someone called tate,a strange guy who lives in japan etc). I cant understand why he does this, but stopped watching his podcasts and unfollowed him after that.

When it comes to Rich Cooper-I doubt he bangs any attractive girl at all otherwise we would know about it by now. But again I dont give a f* about his sexual life as long as he writes/says interesting stuff.

iWillAnnoyYouBadly · 2020-09-20T19:26:06+00:00

I like Matt Cross or M from the YouTube channel the 33 Secrets and Alpha Male Secrets. He is a multi millionaire, pick up coach, entrepreneurship coach, has charisma and seems in the middle as far as red pill issues go.

Kommieforniaglocker · 2020-11-15T18:09:30+00:00

Because 20 year olds are literally still kids and immature in a lot of ways. Aside from maybe interests is certain topics and maybe sex what else would there be in common?

A lot of old school guys that were raised old school were RP before the RP existed and married women who were raised by even more RP type dad’s with parents in traditional gender roles. So a lot of this stuff is obvious, or at least the way I was brought up. I married my wife when she was 20 met her when she was 19 I was 22. Both kids, 17 years later still married. But to be fair the most alpha red pill dude I know is my father in law. Old school rough neck with rugged good looks, years of working in manual las labor in construction has his arms and shoulders looking like something guys would spend years in the gym to build. My mother in law was a beauty pageant winner.

My wife in many ways was like the unicorn my sister in laws too are good decent women and married similar types of guys. (One BIL is a Deputy Sheriff the other is no nonsense Eastern European tech guy)

TseaxCone · 2020-12-14T04:29:48+00:00

Rollo's real name is George W. Miller and his Instagram page is https://www.instagram.com/counterflowcreative/. His wife is a few years older than him.

xFallacyx69 · 2020-07-20T16:22:38+00:00

Why are you red pill then?

Gawernator · 2020-07-20T18:54:49+00:00

The best athletes in the world have coaches and trainers. This is such a simple concept to grasp.

M4sterDis4ster · 2020-07-20T19:59:12+00:00

Because they are frauds, just like that creepy dude traveling the world and writting "sex" stories without sex.

Sliw · 2020-07-20T20:54:58+00:00

It's okay, you CAN separate the art from the artist.

tropicsGold · 2020-07-20T23:42:40+00:00

Tomassi is not famous for being hot or for having a dozen instagram bimbos on his arm. If you have read the Rational Male, you know he is famous for his ground breaking thinking on this subject. None of it is fraud, his marriage is an integral part of his book. None of his Red Pill ideas are inconsistent with his lifestyle. Anyone who says otherwise does not understand Red Pill thought, at least his interpretation of it. Don’t know the other guys so no comment there.

TheSnowyPlover · 2020-07-21T00:29:31+00:00

Why isn’t your average NFL coach, despite being an expert, out there on the field playing? It’s basically the same logic...

Also keep in mind that the red pill is like a tool, how you use it is up to you. Whether that be acting as a perpetual bachelor or getting married, the choice is yours. Plus, even based on Rollo’s On observations and guidance, he is quite far removed from his prime.

lemme_tell_you · 2020-07-20T17:21:00+00:00

Yes, all three could get a 20-something woman easily, provided they have a decent level of game and easygoing, fun personality.

Also, Rollo does not look sickly. After a certain age the face goes from thin to sunken. This is why after 40 women are told to keep some weight on them to look younger in their face. However, this also applies to men.

Physiologist21 · 2020-07-21T05:04:30+00:00

You sound bitter.

theoracleofosiris · 2020-07-20T22:12:14+00:00

They are all frauds. Trust me. Rollo’s content saved me after I broke up with my fiancé. He has the diagnosis right but his treatment is wrong.

He is married for 24 years to his wife and he is considered a mrp- married redpill. Anytime however she so chooses, she can blow it up since he has signed a contract with her and the state. I don’t even think there’s a prenup.

You can’t outalpha the state and society. That is why the only sane approach is mgtow.

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the_calibre_cat · 2020-07-20T20:05:51+00:00

Why would I pay 1K for a conference or 1K for coaching or 10 dollars of a bar of soap for dudes who can't achieve anything close to their claims in the real world?

No, but you might be amazed and/or magnificently disappointed by the sheer number of people that would.

Title	Why aren't Rollo Tomassi, Donovan Sharpe and Rich Cooper spinning early 20 year old plates?
Author	alphadawg26
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Comments	250
Date	July 20, 2020 4:17 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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