The EMSK "Red Pill will kill you" post is just Nirvana fallacy.

InscrutablePUA · 2014-07-01T01:47:31+00:00

I like how he assumes that use of sexual strategy inevitably causes suffering of the woman. Based on many of the stories seen here, it seems that women love it when their man 'alphas up' and takes charge of things. If anything, women suffer when their man doesn't take charge and lead.

kotel4 · 2014-07-01T02:02:18+00:00

That guy's main point was empathy, which I agree with. He is against men using TRP's info to hurt women, which undoubtedly happens. However, as a man, once your eyes have been opened to the reality of life, you choose what to do with that knowledge, and if you hurt women, it's your fault, not TRP's.

The problem I have with people like him is that they don't recognize that most men are affected by being ignorant of the realities that TRP exposes, and to me, enforcing this ignorance is the real injustice.

walterwhiteknight · 2014-06-30T21:20:57+00:00

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lillojohn · 2014-06-30T21:31:14+00:00

True love is loving yourself and bettering your self to the max. Only when you achieve that love for yourself you can understand the value and see the value of another being.

FleetingWish · 2014-06-30T23:49:37+00:00

I couldn't help noticing that his entire post leaves no room for RPW to exist. If TRP are horrible manipulators because they learn "tricks" to make women like them, doesn't RPW do the same thing from a woman's perspective? So, if a TRP guy and RPW both get into a relationship (which is the ideal scenario for many people from both groups), who is the manipulator, and who is the victim?

tedcase · 2014-06-30T21:34:16+00:00

Ive seen so many Anti red pill posts, I cant count them all. I dont bother replying. I dont care what other people think about TRP. In fact, I would prefer it if most people think it's bullshit. Life is a competition, if people want to reject the truth, then fine, go nuts. go back to your dull pathetic life loooking for "the one" and white knighting your way to true love. I dont care!

TRP works for ME. It makes sense to ME and it makes MY life better. That is all I care about. Believe what you want.

Mr_Andry · 2014-06-30T22:25:53+00:00

The worst thing about his post is that he thinks Red Pill is purely Dark Triad.

He then spouts off about how what you really should do is "work on improving yourself" as if that's not what TRP is all about...

Really frustrating.

JP_Whoregan · 2014-06-30T21:42:08+00:00

The whole damn post is based on a FALSE PREMISE: He's trying to talk about RP solely within the context of Loving Relationships. The problem is, feminism and pop culture are teaching today's women that they should NOT enter into loving/long term/committed relationships until well into their 30's, well after they have passed their sexual prime. This guy is trying to shame men from using "the sexual strategy game" to their advantage, while simultaneously ignoring the fact that it was feminism and the sexual revolution that feminism spawned that created this game in the first place.

RED PILL MEN aren't doing anything but adapting rationally to a feminized sexual marketplace that is increasingly irrational. If women acted like women, and men acted like men, we wouldn't need a "red pill". That's what this idiot fails to understand.

2014-06-30T22:31:43+00:00

I've put in a lot of thought about love and true love over the past few years; it's a bitter thought but I've never met a woman that has treated another man the way a man who has fallen in a real, heart aching, gut pounding, every time I look at her face my heart goes into a cage match with my diaphragm, love.

I've known that feeling, I've heard women make those confessions of love but the actions that come shortly after prove the words were lies, I've seen men lie about it too but I've known other men who have been in that sort of love that makes you want to jump off a cliff when it's gone and even years after it's over your heart pounds at the sight of her or even just hearing her name.

In 22 short years on this earth I've never once met a woman that has felt that way about anybody else, I've loved women, I've known it for them, I've heard them say the words and lied to myself about the nature of their reciprocation.

To them love is not what it is to us and knowing that makes it impossible for me to love a girl like I had before.

For a woman to feel that love towards a man he has to be the total package, he has to be good looking, socially presentable as the best man in every room, lavishly wealthy, a level of fame must be present and he must have power, along with continual game and make the appearance of having options but choosing her above them. You have to be and stay a prince or a king until your final breath to keep that sort of love from a woman but for a man to love a woman all she needs to do is be pretty to him, kind and caring.

As much as I want the love I have known it's hard to pursue a lie from a dishonest person and call that gratification, The guy is right TRP will kill a part of you, but it's only making clear that what you thought was reciprocal love was really some transaction that often times means very little to the other person.

This is why so many of us are bitter and some even lash out and it's also why so many hate us, the men don't want true happiness to be a lie and the girls are reacting subconsciously to defend the value that they lose from having the light shown on this convenient fallacy, some may even believe it themselves, very few actually have some orchestration with this miscommunication in mind.

SecondBrownies · 2014-07-01T00:11:23+00:00

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Zanford · 2014-07-01T00:02:07+00:00

The "true love" meme is itself manipulation. Humans telling others not to try harder to win the race.

Women love the idea that it "just happens" b/c

They don't want to have to do work themsevles, or admit that they do it (push up bras etc.)
They abhor the idea guys do it, b/c it subverts their prime directive to get the genetically best sperm. IOW they want guys to be all 'nature' no 'nurture'.

Most men also like it b/c of laziness, hope, and crab-in-a-bucket mentality.

If you want true love, you need Game / TRP more than ever, b/c it takes a lot of work to attract a love-worthy woman, and to keep the relationship in the right frame. My post-TRP relationships are closer to "true love" - as I'm happier, and so are the chicks.

greycloud24 · 2014-06-30T21:57:41+00:00

here is a fucked up truth that nobody likes to mention. true love is temporary. people change over time. you aren't the same person you were 5 years ago, you aren't the same person you were 1 year ago, you aren't the same person you were yesterday, and once you have finished reading this post and taking in new information you won't ever be the same again.

and get this. women aren't static either. they aren't the same person they were 5 years ago, 1 year ago, or yesterday. everyone is constantly growing and changing at a very slow pace that is hardly noticeable at all.

people don't necessarily grow together. that is doubly true in the modern world where you being on a phone on some app, and her being on a phone on some app can get you to grow in wildly different directions. you can start with true love, but eventually you will grow apart. it takes effort to try and grow together, effort from both sides.

true love is a temporary thing. you can have it for a little while, but in time it will fade away. in time you will both die. nothing lasts forever, not even true love.

you can spend your whole life trying to get it, or you can find someone who you do not have true love, and you can put in the effort to grow together, and if you are lucky for a little while it will be true love.

Overkillengine · 2014-06-30T22:42:01+00:00

"And when someone accuses you of being selfish, just remember that he’s only upset because you aren’t doing what he selfishly wants you to do.”

You can either hate the competition like a bluepill does; or you can improve yourself so much that there is no longer a competition.

whatcanredditdo · 2014-06-30T23:39:16+00:00

Never been to that sub. I knew everything on the front page. Guess I'm a man.

full_package · 2014-07-01T00:18:40+00:00

Red pill is not about lack of empathy. Among other things, it's about not having more empathy in relationship than your SO. Overcommitment causes pedestalling.

bluemyselfearly19 · 2014-07-01T01:37:05+00:00

I've posted this comment before, but it bares repeating. Maybe I'm just saying this because I'm long over my bitterness phase, but white-knights like this guy are the worst. Him and the Chris Gethards the world who are spewing this 'women are unique snowflakes' and 'don't try to improve your lot' nonsense are much more destructive than radical feminism, or the left's gynocentrism. They disgust me more on a visceral level than anything these days.

I've been keen to game for almost 5 years. This stuff has done more to turn around my life than any 'mangina' or 'white knight be yourself' garbage has ever had. Fuck these BP hypocrites, FFS.

dnietz · 2014-06-30T23:27:16+00:00

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you

Alphadestrious · 2014-07-01T04:05:50+00:00

The OP's argument from the original thread about 'nobody needs to be abused' is like a strawman argument. Who the fuck says we are ABUSING these women? In addition, where is men's rights? All you ever hear about is feminism. As a matter of fact I just saw a video feminists made about "doing things like a girl" as if it was an insult. WTF?

Denswend · 2014-07-01T07:04:09+00:00

Emotional abuse is the new misogyny. I think I'm going to preemptively copyright "spiritual abuse". It's when your SO wants to go on a soul searching trip (in Crowley's orgies and riding the cock carousel) but you say you will cut all romantic ties with her. Naturally, you are abusing her restrained feminist soul by leaving her.

ExpendableOne · 2014-07-01T00:14:44+00:00

His entire argument could be summed up to "Nobody deserves that kind of abuse, including women". While I completely agree with that message, it's not like anyone is actually is doing anything about men who are abused this way either. There isn't exactly an outpour of men and women out there looking to make things right and stand up for men. Other than the men's human rights movement, there really is nothing. Feminists, if anything, have gone pretty far out of their way to shut down, insult and attack men who do speak up about that kind of abuse from women, all the while defending the misdeeds, entitlements and misandric attitudes of women towards men they deem to be disposable or inadequate.

When men are taken advantage of or have their weaknesses exploited, people(women especially) either don't give a shit or just ridicule/belittle them for being victims. When women express satisfaction and glee over treating men this way, no one actually reprimands or penalizes them for it. When men try to speak up about their experiences, they are branded "nice guy tm", neckbeards, losers, virgin shamed or women haters.

So, what else is there? how else would your average men be expected to handle it? Bend over and take it for the rest of their lives, continuously dreaming of and longing for the love that will never be given to them? Kill themselves? Learn to be just be happy with a sexless and loveless life? Those aren't very good solutions, and it's not like any one man can change the way women, or the world, thinks overnight(or in their lifetime) either. Most women don't want to change the way they act or feel about men, fewer still even understand or care about how their behavior can be harmful/destructive to men(and, in some ways, to themselves). How could you not expect this kind of response from men when these are really the only workable alternatives that are given to them?

TheRedditNub · 2014-06-30T22:39:56+00:00

Shouldn't makeup be considered manipulation by these standards? Or clothes? Or just about any thing that makes you more attractive than you actually are natturally? And by that standard baths and deodorant also manipulation?

Ymeynotu · 2014-07-01T00:02:42+00:00

Honestly the OP in the EMSK thread literally misses the point of /TheRedPill entirely.

I kept wondering as I was reading it if both of us were actually reading the same posts.

People take what they want I guess.

Space_Ninja · 2014-07-01T01:30:18+00:00

EMSK that you'll get shit advice from people who barely identify as male in /r/everymanshouldknow

lightfire409 · 2014-06-30T23:07:10+00:00

A huge point of his argument was TRP is all about emotional abusive relationships. Which is completely untrue. TRP is about the man having the power in a relationship, and installing a captain/first mate dynamic.

SOme people are so fucking afraid of power its rediculous. They look at us saying "The man should have the power" and all they can imaging is someone using that power for evil. Narrow minded fool.

ImFromHereDamnit · 2014-06-30T21:39:02+00:00

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whatsazipper · 2014-07-01T01:02:35+00:00

If you think "true love" exists, then breach some of the conditions that were part of the formation of your "true love" relationship. Lose your job and face a rough job market for your field that lowers your standard of living; get a chronic illness; get disabled or injured; get fat; lose your muscle; basically, anything that would be a huge hit to your attractiveness and confidence.

"True love" implies that love would last in spite of those circumstances, but we're not delusional here. There are conditions to the love a woman has for a man, and if you violate them, she loses respect for you and looks to swing branches. All bets are off and that's when you see a darker, yet more pragmatic, side of women.

charlesbukowksi · 2014-06-30T21:32:48+00:00

Love, as described by the EMSK, is illusory. There is no such thing. It is a comfortable idea promulgated by those who fantasize about it - because they're afraid to accept reality. At best you could argue love is the instinctual bond between parent and child (although not the reverse). But to expect another person to love you like they love themselves (or by extension their children) is ridiculous and farcical not to mention against our natural instincts.

We are animals. Animals don't love. Animals survive.

Edit: Amusingly but perhaps not surprisingly the collective cognitive dissonance of reddit has awarded OP with 25+ golds. There's a parallel with religion here somewhere.

themasterof · 2014-06-30T21:58:36+00:00

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scarfox1 · 2014-07-01T02:14:46+00:00

Another fallacy is that he argues under the assumption that monogamy is the default natural human state. He also thinks red pill wants women to suffer, but I think red pill just wants equality... also he has a disney belief in love and a white knight mentality? I'm sure his definitions of RP weren't accurate either.

noblepaladin · 2014-07-01T04:25:15+00:00

A consequence of having a self improvement forum is that you will end up with over-representation at the fat tails. For example, if you take a weight loss program, you will have a ton of fat people in it, including many in the extremely obese 300+ pound category, and a ton of former fatties that got fit. It is a false conclusion to say that weight loss programs make people fat because there is an over-representation of 300+ pound people. The same is true if you go to the personal finance subreddit. You will see a ton of posts about being in $80k+ of credit card debt. It is inaccurate to conclude that they advise people to go into a mountain of debt. You get those extremes because those are the type of people who end up seeking help. If you look on the investing subreddit, you will see that half of the posts are made by complete newbies who have less than $5000 in networth and they say stuff that is mostly wrong. That doesn't mean that investing is a bad thing.

There should be no surprise that there is a severe over-representation of omega males in TRP. There is probably a greater percentage of awkward virgins on this forum than most others. And many of them will say ridiculous things because they don't know any better. That doesn't mean that the ideology is wrong. It's really some basic stuff. Statistically speaking, guys who are fit have more success with women. Guys who have status and money have more success with women. Actually, it is not just women, but they do better in almost everything in life. Therefore get fit, earn money, earn status. If you know this and you don't do it, you only have yourself to blame.

rebuildingMyself · 2014-07-01T04:51:08+00:00

EMSK that even r/EMSK is littered with feminist bullshit. While it has some good posts about skills and whatnot (the point of the sub), feministas still couldn't resist hijacking it and trying to keep men "in line."

Doomsday_ · 2014-07-01T06:17:29+00:00

There are two ways to guarantee a healthy relationship. By healthy, I mean the girl is in love with you and there is no threat of her leaving; you have all the leverage you need to assure yourself peace of mind and a steady sexual outlet.

Meet your soulmate

If you are extremely lucky enough to cross paths with your soulmate this is the easiest way to live the kind of romantic bliss that Hollywood movies exalt. A soulmate connection is the Golden Ticket to happiness and a dreamlike existence. But it is rare. Don’t live as if it will happen to you. I estimate 1% of all men and 2% of all women meet their soulmates. The reason for the discrepancy is that male soulmates are in shorter supply than female soulmates. Male soulmates are shared amongst the women like a community hookah.

Instill dread

Women respond viscerally in their vagina area to unpredictability, mixed signals, danger, and drama in spite of their best efforts to convince themselves otherwise. Managing your relationship in such a way that she is left with a constant, gnawing feeling of impending doom will do more for your cause than all the Valentine’s Day cards and expertly performed tongue love in the world.

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/dread/

sailorJery · 2014-07-01T10:47:47+00:00

For every 1 red pill man there's 10 'empowered women in touch with her sexuality' who will abuse you in ways you didn't know you could be abused.

waynebradysworld · 2014-06-30T23:24:20+00:00

Read my well thought out posts on that thread and see all the downvotes they are getting. Truly pathetic! Here's an example:

Bozo claims that he doesn't believe in the existence of "alpha" (whatever that claim means?)

Me - Use whatever term of the day you want. The idea remains the same.

There is a social totem pole. People at the top of that totem pole often share common traits. People at the bottom of that totem pole often share common traits. These traits, both physical and behavioral, can be observed and analyzed.

Confirm or deny

Well the response I got was 0 answers and 8 downvotes. Classic!

dancingwithcats · 2014-06-30T23:55:13+00:00

I'll get downvoted to the basement for this but there are a few grains of truth there. TRP should be about how to improve yourself as a man. More and more I see posts that really are just about how to manipulate women. In my mind that misses the point. If you improve yourself and be the best man you can be you don't have to play any games or use any manipulations. The women will just be there and will be eager to be with you.

This subreddit has in many ways become a big circle jerk much of the time. Yes, I know. Downvote away. I don't care about imaginary Internet points. It's the truth. TRP is built on some very sound philosophies. Unfortunately more and more it seems that it's degenerating into a cheap 'how to pick up girls' game. That entirely misses the point of what it means to be a man. If you're a real man you won't have to worry about games and silly manipulations.

EDIT: Grammatical correction.

Azediae · 2014-06-30T21:41:30+00:00

men for whom true love isn't in the cards

What does that even mean in regards to something as nebulous and contingent upon entropy as "true love"? Isn't in the cards? Men have achieved far more precise, difficult and outrageous goals than "true love". It's our job to make it so it's "in the cards". That's what being a man is.

trplurker · 2014-07-01T02:30:27+00:00

No such thing as "true love", doesn't exist, is a fantasy story.

The feeling we associate with "love" is merely a set of hormones produced by the brain to encourage us to make and then raise kids. We can synthesize those hormones and inject them into anyone and make them "fall in love".

Also women are utterly incapable of feeling unconditioned love towards a man. Their love always, without exception has conditions placed on it and thus can be nullified. The closest thing to real love they know is the love they have for their own children, and only because the precondition (perceived as being biologically related) is nearly impossible to remove after the fact.

So anyone saying bullshit about "true love" has already been pussy whipped and is on a one way street to being cuckolded.

GayLubeOil · 2014-07-01T07:50:07+00:00

Lets take this moment to talk about perspective. If a liberal minded person sits on his high horse and yells moral or immoral, what does he actually know about the world? Unless he has actually gone and TRPd some girls his oppinion is nothing more than speculation and narcissistic masturbation. Im better than those assholes over there, give me high fives. Cool story bro. Female sexuality is complex and doesn't fit into the politically correct box. Im sure alot of people are enjoying their feel good super happy pretend time compete with feels feminism and emotionally attuned androgynous she dudes. However some of us are ready to have a mature conversation about human sexuality.

SouthwellR · 2014-07-01T02:18:35+00:00

Well I love myself, in the words of Whitney Houston, that is "the greatest love of all".

ArtilleryCamel · 2014-07-01T02:26:14+00:00

The guys says that he is from here, even goes on to make a case for us:

And it's damned effective in some cases. It'll get you what you want if you do it right.

Then goes on to make some bogus heart-felt argument not to be here. And we have our most successful day of growth in history.

That motherfucker....

Check our growth here: http://redditmetrics.com/r/TheRedPill

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logi_thebear · 2014-07-01T04:07:01+00:00

My whole problem with the true love premise is that it takes away the choice factor from it.

I love my girlfriend, without a doubt. Do I feel this way because I'm a slave to my emotions? No, the emotions are the benefit to a decision I've made. I want to be with her, I want to build a life together, and make her into a better person.

Taking choice out of a relationship, IMO, directly leads to many of the problems you see. I'll explain. Without choice the only thing keeping you in it is getting those good feels. Sometime those will run out, you'll have an off day, you'll be tempted to leave her for someone else. I believe love is an action word. It's not something you feel, it's something you do. When you decide you want to be with somebody, you make choices that reinforce that. If you don't make those choices, it dies.

So in short, this guy is completely wrong. Relationships require work, dedication, and learning the person you're with.

Psycho_Delic · 2014-07-01T13:11:25+00:00

"True Love"

I swear, I hate this term. I fall more in love with the next girl, every fucking time. Love means something entirely different to each person. I have been in love, deeper and deeper with every serious girlfriend I've ever had. Right now, I'm back together with one that's been off and on for 6 years. And I love her very much.

That doesn't mean in the least bit that RP is wrong. RP is why all these women love me back. And it's even more laughable that they think RP behavior is something you're consciously aware of. Like who comes in TRP and looks at this like a scientific formula? It's a set of guidelines on how to be a manly man. That's fucking it. Drowing in pussy is literally just the main benefit (Opinions may vary on that) of TRP.

God damn do I hate people who deal in absolutes.

hohamocha · 2014-07-01T02:13:42+00:00

This is called Nirvana fallacy

Came into this post thinking it was going to be about how Kurt Cobain understood that his wife Courtney Love was a filthy slut (thus swallowed the red pill) and then blew his own head off.

But yeah I agree, Red Pill can lead to anger which in turn can lead to bad things if the taker is not strong enough to handle the truth. Look at Elliot Rodgers.

WomboComboFool · 2014-06-30T22:13:10+00:00

yeah i fucked up lol. i tried to let them know that the red pill isn't dogma and that it should be taken with a grain of salt. I should have just ignored it and let them circle-jerk

LuciusExitius · 2014-06-30T23:50:38+00:00

My thing with this is what about losing weight? If you want to lose weight to feel better, be healthier and too attract more women would that be manipulation? What if your "game" is you trying to become more social is that manipulation? Game isn't about tricking anyone into anything its about no caring what other people think and having the courage to meet new people. Sounds like a class system, since your dad wasnt an alpha and didn't have the royal blood you will never move up in status.

kellykebab · 2014-06-30T22:43:27+00:00

Is anyone here aware that the EMSK essay does not once mention "true love?"

Here's an actual quote though:

Be willing to improve yourself. Nobody's perfect. Spot those places that need work (I assure you, they're there, and if you can't spot them, I guarantee the people around you can), and start improving on those things.

Sound a little like RP philosophy? I think so.

waynebradysworld · 2014-07-01T00:54:59+00:00

The success of that post is boggling my mind right now. Is my competition in life really that clueless?!? No wonder most things come so easy to me.

A lot of people must have really, really, really unhappy loser fathers. Makes me sad.

Pulling a blNket over your head and hiding behind ideological fantasy vs accepting cold hard fact. Classic!

MockingDead · 2014-06-30T21:45:58+00:00

True love is a fallacy, and illusion cast by Blue Pillers who fail to nderstand their alpha nature. If she loves you true, it's because you are the most-best man in her vicinity.

Naturals often fail to understand their skill.

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tatti_ke_tukde · 2014-07-01T01:18:03+00:00

Motherfucking this! What that dude described was an ideal scenario (biased towards highly attractive men) which is great when it works but it seldom occurs. We are trying to up our chances and making sense of the game (which both sides are playing) and that's it. Amazing post!

ultrasuperthrowaway · 2014-07-01T01:47:34+00:00

People are all just an amalgamation of experiences an hereditary traits. You will have good days and bad. You will act and react to certain things differently everyday according to your momentary thoughts and actions.

You are always "true you" even if you learn something stupid from a website or any other source.

sailorJery · 2014-07-01T10:58:27+00:00

EMSK talks about a strawman and everyone applauds

Wehavecrashed · 2014-07-01T14:04:35+00:00

He made 25 points but I can totally sum them all up in one sentence.

Adolf_ghandi · 2014-07-01T21:58:03+00:00

Why would I put up with loosing to women's sexual strategy if I can just win instead?

I will never understand that some ppl can settle for mediocrity...

GlaDos00 · 2014-07-02T05:29:36+00:00

The EMSK post was not stating that the only goal anyone should aim for is true love. The post simply advises not to mentally abuse or manipulate anyone for favors or for relationship purposes.

Goupidan · 2014-07-05T21:41:02+00:00

That post is advocating what TRP is: complacency is bad, self-improvement is good.

My only criticism for TRP is that there are no gender differences for rationality, irrationality, capacity to rationalize, and dishonesty. Evolutionary psychology is a sham, but self-improvement is glorious.

autoHQ · 2014-07-01T06:03:31+00:00

that's what I was thinking. TRP might get me laid and that's better than nothing.

deville05 · 2014-07-01T09:51:17+00:00

Even if TRP won't help them get true love, will it help them find something better than what they can get on their own (which, in plenty of cases, is nothing)?

Or worse.. Something toxic and immasculating disguised at love.

I believe trp has never been against love. In fact it encourages it but only for the right person. Trp teaches you to screen your prospective partner rigorously so that you font end up where you dont want to be and continue to stay there in denial

candyman420 · 2014-07-01T00:52:56+00:00

Well, true love is always in the cards, for just about everybody, if you're willing to set your standards low enough.

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demonon · 2014-07-01T09:02:42+00:00

I highly doubt that people have taken the time to read through his post. Considering it's length most people up voted it purely on the title. The content, however, is empty of any reasoning.

RAWR-Chomp · 2014-07-01T00:38:11+00:00

Average men for whom love isn't in the cards? That sounds like an omega. Pretending to be alpha won't change who you are. This is supremely absurd. Undesirable men using emotional manipulation because they can't get laid? Is that what is going on here? y'all need to be honest with yourselves. You are a disgrace to the manosphere and you aren't doing mankind any favors by personifying the thing which feminists hate. You are adding fuel to the fire.

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manofadventure4 · 2014-06-30T22:52:58+00:00

This should be in a comment on the thread so that other people beside just the ones that already agree with you can read it.

Lets69Chipmunks · 2014-07-01T01:46:32+00:00

You faggets just a bunch of insecure little boys. Top fucking lulz

averysillyredditor · 2014-07-01T03:00:42+00:00

Man up and read the EMSK post; don't accept this one-sentence summary. A major point that you are not even acknowledging is that TRP advocates emotional manipulation. I don't care what your stance on 'true' love is: using cheap tricks to control the people you come across reeks of weakness. You are a bitch if you think all women are vapid cunts, and you are a bitch if you need to lie and hide yourself from those who think they are intimate with you. This sub teaches you how to put on a show, how to posture yourself (be 'alpha'), but it will never tell you that underneath all the acting are human beings. Stick with it, and you won't even see yourself.

BuckFutter422 · 2014-06-30T23:08:48+00:00

TRP isn't about finding love anyway, it's about getting laid. Basically the post argues that people who practice the TRP methods won't reach a goal that they aren't looking to achieve anyway.

JackTheChip · 2014-07-01T08:25:09+00:00

His point is don't use sexual strategy because that's not an okay thing to do.

tile46 · 2014-07-01T10:51:49+00:00

EMSK's argument is: don't use sexual strategy because HEALTHY love is better. You have assumed EMSK is talking about "true love" but nowhere does he say that. You've invented an argument for the purpose of demolishing it. So. Straw Man.

If true love isn't in the cards, just go with healthy, mutually beneficial partner. EMSK's advice still applies, even if you aren't looking for "true love" (whatever the fuck that means).

UrbanZenMonk · 2014-07-01T13:17:49+00:00

Is that the key? You know what one thing every single, so called enlightened individual ignores in here?

You know, while we are on the topic of ignoring things? The fact psychology doesnt support you or that this crap isnt actually universal. Its good for Western women who are as shallow as the guys hoping to be with them.

Its about like minds attracting. Your soul is shit then you attract soulless individuals. Its why you consider vulnerability beta and not human. Its like saying pain is for the weak while pretending youre incapable.

Anyways, this place is good for giving advice on fucking. It blows for long term advice. But relationships are beta, arent they? Who talks like this? Oh right, people suffering from something.

The key you dont ask is why you suffer so much with this.

Phaint · 2014-06-30T23:02:09+00:00

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Title	The EMSK "Red Pill will kill you" post is just Nirvana fallacy.
Author	[deleted]
Upvotes	365
Comments	300
Date	June 30, 2014 9:12 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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