"Young Americans Are Killing Marriage: Millennials are lagging behind on the traditional markers of adulthood"

Five_Decades · 2017-04-06T03:48:28+00:00

It is probably a mix of reasons.

Millennials have witnessed how unhappy and financially dangerous marriage can be
Millennials are more financially insecure and cannot make the big commitments of their parents (owning a home, being married, having children).
Women's standards have skyrocketed due to internet dating and now they only consider ~20% of men marriage material.

sirspeedy99 · 2017-04-06T02:30:17+00:00

My folks are having their 50th anniversary this year. Got the American dream and all that, and Happy as they come.... do I expect this? Nope. But I will be happy.

RiseReadRiseRed · 2017-04-06T01:31:37+00:00

The title should read "young American women and the State are killing marriage"

Men who are aware of the current American political climate don't get married, unless they know they can afford the divorce that will most likely result.

Enjoy the decline

PaulMurrayCbr · 2017-04-06T03:20:47+00:00

"t’s easy to look at these figures and say millennials are lagging behind their boomer parents. However, even as young Americans delay marriage, kids, and homeownership, they're ahead of their parents by one measure: education. "

LOL. Mainly because the finance industry has worked out that they can get people on the debt treadmill for life by saying "You don't have to face the adult world just yet! Here: take one of our e-z loans and spend another four years in school!"

Subtract all the majors in feminist dance therapy from those "education" figures, and see how well the millennials stack up.

widec · 2017-04-06T01:19:25+00:00

I disagree with the articles title. Baby boomers killed marriage. They started a movement for free love when they went to college, and that has evolved to the branch of feminism where people believe women should be having sex without consequences.

But what really pisses me off is how the older generations have fucked up our economy. We are now reliant on low interest rates and massive loans just to live a normal lifestyle. The debt ceiling is 20 trillion and will need to rise this year. Millennials are broke due to low wages and insane student loans, so it doesn't make sense for them to settle down. The middle class is evaporating, you can't just graduate high school and get a decent full time job in most areas.

redpillschool · 2017-04-06T13:48:19+00:00

You can have a LTR and start a family. But dear jesus never get fucking married. You have been warned.

Zebleblic · 2017-04-06T05:04:14+00:00

Let's be honest here. Large student debts, housing prices, and low wages are more of a factor than anything. Having to move across country for work and not being able to settle down makes it very difficult to get married and have kids. I think that has more to do with it than anything else.

Pitchfork51 · 2017-04-06T01:26:49+00:00

My dad's 3rd divorce was a good wake-up call.

Mckallidon · 2017-04-06T03:38:59+00:00

Their parents were lagging behind in traditional markers of parenthood.

adversaryroman · 2017-04-06T00:25:22+00:00

I'll sacrifice my manhood before I sacrifice my life to marriage.

Thinkingard · 2017-04-06T12:57:42+00:00

Betas cant provide with steady jobs like they could in the past. They have nothing to offer that separates them from alphas. Similarly women cant offer feminity and homemaker skills. They only offer their holes and expect that to be enough.

This is simplified but my perception of whats happening. Economics and incentives play a huge role.

pvtoneill · 2017-04-06T02:46:59+00:00

Why get married when she gets half your shit?

GiggityDPT · 2017-04-06T10:30:27+00:00

Why does the government need to acknowledge if I want to be with someone? Why would I want to pay the government to be married to someone? Can't I just be with a person for as many years as I want to be?

I don't see any benefit to legal marriage.

I'm happy to be a part of the population willing to let marriage die.

TheLaughingRhino · 2017-04-06T11:21:50+00:00

I don't see what's hard to figure out.

Chicks want dudes with status. The road to status for most guys is with their careers. To get into most careers, you have to pay your dues. While paying your dues, you have to learn from the "old guys" there, and when you see an "old guy" who has put in decades and living on someone's couch because he got divorced firebombed financially, you realize something is wrong.

People are socialized where they spend the most time - Work

You see the people at work more than you will likely see your family the rest of your life as an adult. You will see them likely more than your kids and more than your mate, if you have one.

If you want to see how marriage is totally fucked up, don't go looking around for married people around you, go to work. See the old dude you know and like and see every single day, see how he toils and grinds so some greasy haired guitar playing douchebag is living in the house he's paying for, banging his ex wife and his kids are calling this piece of trash "Daddy" He can keep paying, or go to jail.

This is where "feels" over "reals" shows it's basic insanity. Chicks want a guy with status. That takes TIME for a guy to make and hold. Then chicks are angry the guy is never home or around for them. You can't have it both ways. You can't have a guy who is ambitious and bringing home the big bacon and expect him to not grind to do it. But that's "logic", that's not women's desire for distance and irritation.

Chicks want to make sure they squeeze every nickel out of child support. And to villainize all men as potential pedophiles and rapists. And have unreal expectations. And then get angry no guy worth having is going to go within 10 feet of a single mother for anything other than a pump and dump. You, again, can't have it both ways, you can't leverage all men then expect them to play ball to their ultimate detriment.

Here is the biggest shit test of them all

Modern Society - "Women should have CHOICES!"

Women Translation - "CHOICES should mean EVERYTHING I WANT WHEN I WANT IT WITHOUT EVER ASKING FOR IT OR SAYING THANK YOU"

Big Government - "Give them everything, you stupid assholes, it's your fault they don't have everything Oprah says she deserves"

ALOT of guys, older guys, failed this huge shit test. ALOT of younger guys see the carnage every single day in their work and career and realize it's a shit deal.

You want proof women want everything, watch something "nice" done for women and see how many IMMEDIATELY raise their expectations. Not gratitude, not appreciation for a life better than most in human history or the entire world, not reflective but "Oh, that's nice, now what more can I get?"

This is where most single mothers fail back on the dating market. It's all about, what can this dude do for me, what can I get, what about what I want... instead of, what can I do to better help someone fit into my situation which is clearly difficult and challenging.

Getting married today in the "west" is really embracing unchecked greed. Options are supposed to mean tradeoffs, you have "choices" but you can't have all choices, you have to accept give and take. Options aren't supposed to mean every single damn thing on the menu.

As my older brother once said - If you reduce their power to just a warm wet hole, you'll realize you don't have to play their game any more.

vahuety · 2017-04-06T11:36:46+00:00

It's women driving this, not men.

It's because of hypergamy. 100% of women are all chasing 10% of the men. No woman wants to marry a male "4" when she thinks she has a chance at a male "9." They are all holding out for the perfect man and discarding perfectly good men who don't fit their fantasy "ideal."

They get to the point where they realise that these perfect men don't actually exist, but by then their looks have faded and they can't demand as high quality of a man from the sexual marketplace.

Compounding this issue is the men who have all been ignored for years and even decades while the women all chased Mr. Perfect become bitter and angry misogynists who want nothing other than sex from women.

WilliamBott · 2017-04-06T06:23:25+00:00

As a 34-year-old MGTOW, fuck marriage. I'm very intelligent, I make my own money, and I'm not going to get married just so I can get fucked over or have a woman try to play me.

I get the feeling that more and more men are seeing things the way I do every day. Yes, this is going to hurt society and begin a downward spiral, but the state and the third-wave feminists have nobody to blame but themselves.

When you change the rules of the game so only one side always wins, how can you fault the other side for not playing?

redditJ5 · 2017-04-06T04:09:07+00:00

I would have to say my friends that got married and devorced, a lot of them, they got married because "it's the next logical step" type crap or they got pregnant.

CrashXXL · 2017-04-06T06:09:48+00:00

Women are a depreciating asset like cars. Better to lease than to own.

gghavoc · 2017-04-06T14:08:38+00:00

Marriage made more sense generations ago, as women agreed to handle domestic duties to raise a family, while the husband was the only wage earner. This made sense as women were often taught these skills both in school and at home. There was a trade off, with the man and woman having their area of expertise. Although it is better for women to now have many options for a career, it has killed marriage as a pairing option. There is no great incentive to stay together, not even kids. Marriage is like Sears business model, outdated and fading fast. Good for men wising up!!

massivewang · 2017-04-06T05:32:12+00:00

I think most men are blue pill and would marry if they could. I think a big part of the issue is that they're not getting married because women don't want to marry them.

EminemLovesGrapes · 2017-04-06T07:30:20+00:00

What is the point of marriage these days?

Unless you're of faith i see no reason to just have a partnership instead. I'd get baby boomers marry more, back in those days a lot more things were taboo. Pre martial sex.. bastards.. etc.

But now all those things are normal.

rrggrr · 2017-04-06T02:14:55+00:00

It getting married won't save you. Just having a child(ren) guarantees a blue pill existence for many men in the eyes of the Courts and public opinion.

kyledontcare · 2017-04-06T09:37:52+00:00

It's hard to pin it down to any one factor but the biggest problem is probably the divorce and marriage laws that need to change first. After that the economy.

ozaku7 · 2017-04-06T11:44:16+00:00

Our parents grew up in the generation where the consequences of marriage were not the same as they are now. Back in the day, 1960's, it was unheard of to get divorced and raped by feministic laws. It's only now when we notice that the divorce rates are extremely high and rather not jump in the same boats as our parents were. Who wants to be legally tied to someone they dislike and risk losing half your shit? Much the same is happening in Japan. Men worked their asses off, their offspring have seen how much they struggle and don't want to work as hard because they value their own life. It's a trend with anything in life that something takes really long before people realize that it isn't the way. It takes a fresh perspective of a new generation.

It won't be long before marriage will be completely abolished, and if you want to have kids, you would look for a partner to have kids with and share the costs and custody of the child. I've met a couple like this once. They didn't live together, were not married, nothing. They were friends who desired a child, got it together, shared the costs 50/50 (good bookkeeping), some time later found another partner and that's that.

Aazaad · 2017-04-06T15:18:33+00:00

I think it is not just guys wising up. In the past, women needed someone to provide for them and used to get married at young age resulting in higher marriages.

These days, it is considered socially empowering for women to have a career. They are told to not rely on men and a lot of women are choosing to stay single until their early to mid thirties.

CalmWalk · 2017-04-06T06:26:00+00:00

Anyone male that gets married is a COMPLETE fucking moron. The system is setup to be a NO win situation for you. You do GREAT you take care of your children your wife. You get rewarded with a very high chance of divorce. She will get at least 50% of your assets, if u had kids, say goodbye to your house. Then starts the alimony and "child support" Are you SERIOUSLY this dumb? If you do a bad job , your a loser, not a "real man" shes gonna leave you for a "real man". Then youll still get raped for "child support" and have to beg to see your kids. The goverment is her thugs, they dont care if your homeless on the street. You are officially a human ATM machine. Oh but your wife is different. Shes not "like that". Let me tell you something. As someone who grew up with 5 sisters and their 5 to 10 friends each. Has been dating since the age of of 14. I know women well. I have been surrounded since I was born by women. I had atleast 5 to 15 women in my house nearly every day since i was born. I know women very very well. And i think most men would be very surprised, that women think alot like us on alot of things. But their hormones are completely different then ours. Which makes them think and feel much different in alot of ways. But they see all the bias in the courts. They see it all. And they laugh at all these men for falling for it. Alot of them form a psychosis and entitlement and start to believe they are better then men. And that we as men deserve to be abused by them thru the govt. Like its their rights as women. Your soon to be wife is no different then anyone else. She WILL abuse that biased system when given the chance. There are SOME that wont. But even the ones that wont. KNOW they can, and that leads a HUGE disparity in the power and control in a marriage. There is no incentive to not divorce you. Women can fuck 40 guys a night. Men have to work to get sex. She can drop you, and find someone else easily. In fact she prolly has 30 guys in her facebook inbox right now. Im mid-30s I knew this and seen this when I was 15. ANY guy that is dumb enough to get married with the current laws. Is a complete fucking idiot. So dumb that im surprised he can even perform daily tasks. Im talking autistic dumb.

hyugafan · 2017-04-06T06:46:40+00:00

Marriage is dying

Good. The sooner the better.

NYLON_G · 2017-04-06T11:12:30+00:00

Marriage is a shit deal for men and they are no longer buying into it. It is as simple as that. Anybody else want to argue with the facts can do so at their leisure.

2Bait4Me · 2017-04-06T14:02:58+00:00

A lot of young men don't go out and socialize, learn how to game women, instead they play Video games, watch anime / youtube / netflix & smoke weed.

2017-04-06T16:14:37+00:00

Dysfunctional Households = Dysfunctional Nation.

Women can't raise kids on their on own. If men don't step in, our nation is fucked. Yet if we do step in, our nation fucks us. It's a mexican standoff:

Men<<<Nation<<<Women<<<Men

TheSlicemanCometh · 2017-04-07T01:30:40+00:00

Let me explain the correct answer to the question this thread is attempting to answer in one simple picture.

zmKozXyH6 · 2017-04-06T05:45:25+00:00

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-clickhere- · 2017-04-06T06:41:47+00:00

From a philosophical point of view, I'm wondering if marriage is even ideal for most people.

So setting aside the current dating dynamics, the sociology of baby boomers changing the sexual landscape, and all of that stuff... even in a perfect world my sense is most marriages are just in the "good enough" category. How many people are actually truly happy in a marriage? Even in the 50s, before the baby boomers or changing landscape?

I have no data to support this, obviously, but perhaps only a small percentage of the population should even get married, in the best of cultural times.

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I'm tackling this from a philosophical point of view, but only a small number of people really do click with each other, and connect, and should probably get married because they have that intimacy, passion, and commitment necessary for a long term partnership.

Maybe the human species isn't really cut out for marriage, most of us anyway, even in the best of times (and the current marketplace is not even the best of times!)

MentORPHEUS · 2017-04-06T18:13:40+00:00

I'm in the car business. 20 years ago, we'd get 16 year olds with a fresh license, pulling their parents along shopping for a first car.

Nowadays, we get parents asking about a first car for their kid, who is tattooed, jobless and unemployable, and slouching disinterested in the background on their phone without engaging the car searching process. They are in their mid-20s and just now "trying" to get their license.

So much apathy and defeatism compared to just a generation ago. Hell, I threw newspapers for years starting at age 13 so I had my own money saved up for my first car at 16.

snakehayter · 2017-04-06T13:13:45+00:00

The worst is the condescending rhetoric that comes out of the mouth of baby boomers and tradcucks whenever they put all the blame on men for declining marriage rates.

It seems like gynocentricism is everywhere.

Overkillengine · 2017-04-06T18:37:06+00:00

Marriage was killed before Millenials were born. They are just refusing to show up to the morgue to ID the body.

SouloftheVoid · 2017-04-06T18:45:42+00:00

The people responsible are the neoliberal globalist elites, and they are found in great numbers in BOTH political parties. These are the worthless parasites who brought us "free trade", "political correctness", NAFTA, CAFTA, permament favored trading status for China, outsourcing of jobs to third world shitholes, H1b indentured servants for the jobs that couldn't be outsourced, the War in Iraq, and the bank bailouts. They don't want any regular people to own homes because eventually the mortgages get paid off and they can no longer extract money; they prefer everybody rents from them forever while they slowly but steadily jack up the rents to squeeze us more and more. The idea that you can work hard, play by the rules, and get ahead is now a lie; you can still get ahead, but you will have to break their rules.

Luckyluke23 · 2017-04-07T02:49:20+00:00

i think it's that, also the fact that the " average" guy isn't getting married anymore. women have been screwed up by social media. women aren't settling anymore like they used to.

now you are competing with their phone and most guys can't compete with that.

finelicks · 2017-04-06T05:27:50+00:00

My anthropology class mentioned how our cultural norm is to isolate couples after marriage. Not like, toss them on an island and block their number, but we tend to avoid couples after the "big tie", if you will. Apparently in other cultures, the family is highly involved after marriage. Keeps them from being too close? Idk. Seperation keeps the fire ignited. Have you ever listen to your favorite song on repeat? Yeah, not a good idea. Thank you local radio stations for making me hate, "...i'm in love with your body. oh yeah oh yeah. im in love with your body." Welp. I'm high.

schmitty7 · 2017-04-06T07:19:39+00:00

I'm sure the fact that most women you meet are the type you wouldn't take home to meet your parents also plays a part

tatatita · 2017-04-06T07:42:14+00:00

The main concern in the long run is that muslims gets children(s)a bit early and often 2-5 children, western people get 1-3 or none, so in the end we will all have sharia laws when they gonna use their voting rights, RIP.

GermanScrewdriver · 2017-04-06T10:51:16+00:00

In 1980, 66% of 25- to 34-year-olds were already married. 12.5% had already been married and divorced.

In 2015, just 20% of 25- to 34-year-olds (these are called "millennials") were married, and only 7% had been divorced.

You colonists (and that terrible writer) and your unwillingness to use useful formats!

RedSkeller · 2017-04-07T15:45:14+00:00

Yeah and the baby boomers fucked everything up and now are pointing the finger at the younger generations, what a bunch of obsolete fools.

Matacks607 · 2017-04-06T03:01:25+00:00

Divorce isn't always that messy. I've heard of young people who got divorced without any financial drama. They basically just split everything 50/50. But if you're a guy with a lot more money than your wife you could end up getting finacially raped in the divorce. So don't marry a women that has a lot less money than you.

Archwinger · 2017-04-06T11:09:06+00:00

I think this article is more accurate in some ways than the idiotic MRA/MGTOW fantasy.

While marriage rates are indeed declining, this is not because men have wised up in large numbers and are opting out of marriage due to the bad deal it poses. A small percentage of men with extreme views who are very vocal on the internet claim to have done this, but most unmarried loser men would give anything for a woman to marry them. They're not unmarried by choice (though some losers pretend that they are).

The real truth is that more men are losers than ever before. They never learned masculinity or how to be a man. They're still children. Woman-like. While women are manning up in increasing numbers, often because they have to due to the lack of suitable men available to fuck. Most of the men who aren't married are guys women don't want marry. Because they suck. Only a very tiny percentage are good men who choose to avoid marriage.

xXx420VTECxXx · 2017-04-06T22:33:09+00:00

Can anyone give me insight on what would happen in a court with my children if I was married, compared to just living together in a civil relationship?

TheLoonyDuck · 2017-04-08T13:56:51+00:00

What do the girls have to offer in marriage? Nothing at all!

IlIlIlIl1Il · 2017-04-08T14:39:48+00:00

The worst part of this article and the entire thread is the same thing that is wrong about most of modern American conventional wisdom- people are clueless about how things work. We all know this.

Pick any controversy - from Vietnam to 9/11 to Feminism - the same types of people from powerful groups and families have been orchestrating this shit for centuries. They are not always aligned, there is no illuminati, and there is no conspiracy... just brilliant strategy on their parts.

So when shit goes sour for young people, their parents shut up for fear of being called racist/sexist/misogynist/anti-semitic etc. So the potential of yet another generation slowly dissolves. Some of them grow up and find places like this and thus begins the anger phase.

We all know this to be true.

Blaming the boomers or millennials is stupid and blue pill. Feminism is an ideology, equal rights is a value; Capitalism is a system, Socialism is an ideology; democracy is a system, political parties are ideological; social justice is an ideology, Justice is a value; fairness is a value, equity is an ideology. Ideologies are the intellectual means through which young smart people can be manipulated. Values are what is important - not blue pill belief systems like sociology, feminism, and liberalism.

Stop falling for this shit. Blaming a generation is a blue pill thing to do. Dig deeper. Red Pill has layers brothers. Dig deeper.

BetterBadIdeas · 2017-04-12T22:17:43+00:00

Millenials, as I see use, are defined above all else by an absolute lack of faith in institutions. Sometimes, that bites us in the ass (the institution of science, for example, is suffering) but sometimes (as with the institution of marriage) we're on to something.

swaglordobama · 2017-04-06T14:46:03+00:00

Prenups exist. The majority of young people just don't have the resources or the desire to get married. Also women feel intense social pressure to marry boring, stable men.

Very few women are actually as hateful and malicious as the guys on this sub make them out to be. They don't get married with the intention of divorcing the guy, especially if they have had a long relationship leading up to the marriage.

Trust me, women don't need to marry men to maniuplate them and get their money, lol.

However, most relationships eventually turn sour. Traditionally women had less career opportunities so a divorce could leave them in financial ruin. In contemporary society this is no longer the case and women are now very competitive in the workforce.

They don't need to rely on men for financial security.

Furthermore, many girls are putting off getting married until their 30s because they want to enjoy their 20's.

There seems to be a bit of a judgmental double standard on this sub regarding women's pursuit of sex. I think most guys come here after awakening to find the socialized narrative of women's sexuality being a load of horse shit, yet they still cling to the notion that women should adhere to societal standards of what is sexually permissible.

We don't own women, lol. It's the faux alpha male that lives in a scarcity and bitterness paradigm.

Start thinking win-win, collaboration, shared experiences.

-Lowbrow- · 2017-04-06T19:56:43+00:00

People don't want to grow up these days. That's a big reason for this. It's a lot of factors, but the aversion young men have to becoming full-grown responsible men is the biggest overall reason. They just lack the maturity and drive men had 20 years ago.

jerry101246 · 2017-04-06T06:30:15+00:00

How am I supposed to have kids without marriage?

stonepimpletilists · 2017-04-05T23:34:44+00:00

Your parents divorce is usually the biggest indicator if you aren't going to put up with that shit.

Stats mean nothing

caP1taL1sm · 2017-04-06T15:10:21+00:00

Holy shit the comments here are cringy as fuck. No wonder we have to be ashamed of subscribing to TRP, it's threads like these that are pathetic as fuck full of bitter old men who don't know shit about politics, economics, or history for that matter.

Jesus, You guys sound like a caricature of classic rural conservative trump voters on the Daily Show. And I don't hate trump by any means, but you're all the idiots making his supporters look retarded

Shjeeshjees · 2017-04-06T14:33:57+00:00

Geez wow, I just read this... You've just got it all figured out don't you, you stud. I'm so glad your GREAT BRAIN looked into this because now I'm a more enlightened person. So I'm married, and therefore must be ugly. COOL.

ALL the attractive men I know ended up married. Here's the reason you wrote this - you have friends that are married and you aren't so you wrote this article, but are rationalizing why you aren't married.

"Young Americans Are Killing Marriage: Millennials are lagging behind on the traditional markers of adulthood"

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