Reddit admins clarify that they're fine with hate if it's directed towards the right people.

Forgetaboutthelonely · 2021-04-05T20:25:04+00:00

Lets take this to the media. If everybody underneath this comment could leave the email of a news outlet or journalist we could take this to that would help.

EDIT:Since this thread is getting big and this may be lost in the comments.

The following is a copy of the email I've sent to various news outlets about this.

I welcome everybody else to do the same.

Hello. I've decided to send you an email with a story I am hoping you can cover.

You see, Reddit is a website wherein people can gather up in specific groups called "subreddits"

I frequently visit a number of subreddits that focus on men and men's issues. And there is a problem I have seen festering for some time there.

Young men and boys are being pushed to right wing radicalization. They're joining Q-anon groups and alt right groups. And I've come to understand where some of this push is coming from.

You see. There's a number of subreddits dedicated to harassment and hate towards these people. and as per the included image. The reddit admins allow it.

Anybody with any kind of knowledge about psychology will tell you that a constant stream of negativity, abuse and denial that any of this is a problem is damaging. And will eventually lead the people on the receiving end finding groups that accept and acknowledge them.

So when hurting underprivileged men go online to talk about their issues. Their feelings, Their lived experiences with things like rape and abuse. They're shut down. Denigrated, treated like they don't matter and nobody cares. They get the message that they are simply making up issues and that they are the source of their own problem. If not the perpetrator.

They're called names like "scrote" or "fragile" or "autistic mouthbreathing virgins" and bullied for this.

This inevitably leads them into a further spiral of Addiction, Depression, Radicalization and Suicide.

And many will choose to lash out against women. Because much of the above is done under the guise of women's empowerment. In much the same way Transphobia is pushed by TERF's

The unfortunate truth is that if you are maximally mean to innocent people, then eventually bad things will happen to you. First, because you have no room to punish people any more for actually hurting you. Second, because people will figure if they’re doomed anyway, they can at least get the consolation of feeling like they’re doing you some damage on their way down.

https://imgur.com/a/pRpSAYc

I encourage everybody to do the same.

Here's some links to do so. If anybody else here has the email addresses of journalists or figures that would cover them. please bring them up here. or send an email yourself.

https://cbchelp.cbc.ca/hc/en-ca/articles/115001700253-How-can-I-request-news-coverage-or-submit-a-news-tip-

https://globalnews.ca/tag/your-community/submit-your-story/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/pr/2020/01/01/whats-your-story-guide-getting-your-news-washington-post/

https://help.foxnews.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=360000485774

https://www.spectator.co.uk/submit

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/contactus/index.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/contact-us/article-suggestions/

Thanks Anon person for these.

The Athens news is a small local paper but has many college aged readers

[email protected]

The Columbus dispatch is much larger

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Dayton daily news is the most popular paper in Dayton Ohio

mailto:[email protected] mailto:[email protected] mailto:[email protected] mailto:[email protected] mailto:[email protected]

The Post is the Ohio University student newspaper, might not get attention there but worth a try

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Oncefa2 · 2021-04-05T20:30:23+00:00

So those rules don't protect individuals from threats or bullying?

If someone threatens you on Reddit you have to be a woman or a POC for that threat to be taken seriously?

Not caring about misandry is one thing. But not caring about threats and harassment if the target happens to be a man is something else entirely. Bullying is still a problem and shouldn't be tolerated no matter who the bully is or who the victim is.

Deadlocked02 · 2021-04-05T20:49:54+00:00

Double standards like this will only push more and more boys and men towards radicalization. That’s all I have to say. Not everyone will respond to this in a productive, calm and organized way. Then they’ll make the Pikachu face when it comes back to bite them. Worse thing is, instead of looking critically at their own actions, they’ll just say the rise in alt-right numbers is because the white man is inherently evil and bigoted.

TintelFroot · 2021-04-05T20:59:38+00:00

r/blatantmisandry

Free speech isn't just for neckbearded mouth-breathing autistic virgins!

I, as an autistic person, find this absolutely inappropriate and I demand that Reddit does something about this ableist "statement" immediately.

Or do you support ableism u/redtaboo?

MostLikelyPoopingRN · 2021-04-05T20:29:47+00:00

Wow that’s frustrating. The rule you quoted literally says „Hate based on identity or vulnerability“ and he replies „attacked based on vulnerability“. The rule is clear as day but I guess it’s okay to pretend certain words in the rules they wrote themselves don’t exist?

TheSpaceDuck · 2021-04-05T21:22:52+00:00

TIL being part of the group that commits the vast majority of suicide, makes up the majority of homeless and constitutes over 90% of workplace deaths is an exception to rules against harassment and bullying because they're "not vulnerable".

mewacketergi2 · 2021-04-05T20:20:22+00:00

Of course, there is no moral risk involved in defining what counts as vulnerability. /s

Forgetaboutthelonely · 2021-04-05T20:57:58+00:00

Here is a copy of the email I am sending to the various news outlets I listed under my initial comment

EDIT:

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/mkto8s/reddit_admins_clarify_that_theyre_fine_with_hate/gthr8bb/

Here is the most up to date comment for info if you'd like to join the email campaign.

Kuato2012 · 2021-04-05T22:19:48+00:00

Nine months ago, reddit admins announced an update to the rules. The new content policy specifically stated:

Communities and people that incite violence or that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned. [...]

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority[...]

This meant that they actually codified into their rules that it's OK to be racist against white people and OK to be sexist against men (never mind that women are actually a numerical majority).

They immediately received massive backlash about that, so they struck the bolded part from the content policy. You can read the current wording here.

Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability. These include victims of a major violent event and their families.

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect those who promote attacks of hate or who try to hide their hate in bad faith claims of discrimination.

So they updated the wording to sound inclusive, but this latest reply from an admin (the one in the OP) shows that admins still interpret the rule according to its original, retracted wording!

This is why subreddits like FragileMaleRedditor or FemaleDatingStrategy, which promote hate based on identity, can hit the front page and not get quarantined or banned.

Reddit is consistently ranks in the top 20 most visited websites in the world. It's kind of a big deal as far as online platforms are concerned.

edit: fixed links

YooGeOh · 2021-04-05T22:07:02+00:00

That's flipping stupid lol.

What happened to intersectionality? Intersections of class, wealth, education, neurodiversity?

A lot of men and women, black white Asian etc exist with ar least one or more characteristics, many of which may be immutable, that will have them labeled as having some kind of vulnerability. Why is it only the intersections of gender and race when pertaining to whiteness and maleness do all other vulnerabilities cease to exist?

Why is a poor, neurodiverse, depressed male invulnerable, but a rich, well educated, upper class, well connected white woman crippled with vulnerabilities?

Can someone make this make sense please because this sounds like some sweaty white boy from San Francisco who works in the marketing department of an indy coffee company level of appeasement bullshit lmao

matrixislife · 2021-04-05T20:54:27+00:00

So they've re-defined hate speech yet again. Ignoring the numbers of men who commit suicide every year. Men don't have any vulnerability of course. What a toe-rag.

UnHope20 · 2021-04-05T21:45:55+00:00

Glad someone called out r/nametheproblem. Those people are flat out horrifying.

superzepto · 2021-04-05T22:42:12+00:00

The stupid thing about this rule is that men ARE vulnerable as a group. Even a little bit of harassment online could cause a man to end his own life. I get that white people aren't vulnerable as a group, but to say that men should take the harassment, abuse and hatred that is thrown at them is fucking despicable. If even one Redditor takes their own life because they were harassed and abused for being male, then that admin will have blood on their hands.

sno_cone_thehomeloan · 2021-04-05T22:20:26+00:00

Ngl this combined with the pedophile Admin might be the straw that breaks the camels back as far as my time on Reddit. If I don’t delete it, my use of it is going to get greatly reduced, I just don’t feel good about supporting a company like this not to mention how much of a waste of time it tends to be.

JJsWorkshop · 2021-04-06T01:59:21+00:00

Right Wing Male here.

I will say that while I don't always agree with the Left, I don't like the Far Right either. I'm sort of on the edge of the Right teetering into Left

Anyway, the point is that I want to join in this crusade with you guys. What media outlets should I contact to get started?

Gamer_Jack_Gameson · 2021-04-05T21:32:52+00:00

Question: if reddit is a business, and businesses aren't allowed to discriminate on the basis of race or sex, and someone is harrassed, and that person is denied service by reddit (in the form of intervening against the harassment) based on their race or sex, then is reddit not legally liable for race/sex discrimination?

Edit: I'm not finding any case law, which is always a bad sign, but in principle there is a case for discrimination if reddit has clearly stated they will discriminate against someone based on a protected class. This may be an opportunity for a case of first impression if someone is seriously discriminated against because of reddit's reckless policy.

Kimchi_Cowboy · 2021-04-06T05:06:51+00:00

This is why many men are moving away from the left because its hypocritical. They preach racism and sexism but then they redefine things constantly to suit whatever the narrative of the week is. You can't keep moving the goal posts because people will give up and go somewhere else.

whateverBRIAN · 2021-04-05T22:26:57+00:00

I checked reddit's rules recently: https://www.redditinc.com/policies/content-policy

I remember maybe 1-2 years ago, the language was MUCH more clear that they basically did not believe men/whites were subject to protection. I think they maybe changed the language a bit to make it more vague now. Does anyone have a archive of the rules where it was pretty blatantly against men/whites.

Imnotthatunique · 2021-04-05T22:23:48+00:00

u/forgetaboutthelonely

I hope you dont mind but im sharing the shit out of this

randomasshole874 · 2021-04-05T23:44:56+00:00

Incredible sexist and racist

Piece of subhuman garbage

redditthrowaway1478 · 2021-04-05T21:44:04+00:00

Oooh time for me to share why I got banned this morning!

r/SubredditDrama - the place where I think most feminists are now retreating to in order to spin victim narratives, banned me without explanation aside from

"Bye TERF"

I'm a man, I'm not feminist, and I'm not even trans-exclusionary...lol. however, I do remember getting in a disagreement with lesbian who was married to a transperson because she was advocating for children under 16 being able to undergo puberty blockers without parental consent- so because I care about children's safety and the irreversibility of hormone therapy on them it means I'm anti trans?

but don't just take my word for it - here's proof:

https://imgur.com/a/eyu6AID

And here's reddit telling me they won't do anything about it

https://imgur.com/a/6LIDcK5

Quix_Nix · 2021-04-05T22:41:22+00:00

Hmm, weird sense men are empirically vulnerable...

Old-Compote-9991 · 2021-04-05T22:11:33+00:00

This is stomach-churning news.

DevilishRogue · 2021-04-06T10:00:10+00:00

Reddit Admins: We treat people differently based on their skin color or sex!

Public: Look, Reddit Admins are racist and sexist!

Reddit Admins: /Shocked Pikachu face

Ovan5 · 2021-04-05T21:21:11+00:00

I'm sorry, WHAT?

DrGeorgeWBush · 2021-04-06T01:58:25+00:00

It's shit like this that turns otherwise normal people into alt-righters.

bufedad · 2021-04-06T02:11:42+00:00

Does this make Reddit liable, if someone committed suicide after such an incident?

Justthetip74 · 2021-04-06T03:44:42+00:00

Tried to cross-post to r/iamatotalpieceofshit and it wont let me

UltimaterializerX · 2021-04-06T10:39:20+00:00

That’s just embarrassing.

These people act EXACTLY like what they supposedly hate.

IntelligentEbb4837 · 2021-04-05T22:23:39+00:00

I've heard they use the mechanical turk service from Amazon to pay for those hate reports. Which means they go to a bunch of random people, instead of the hateful bigoted pro-pedophilia reddit admins. So remember to report away all the hate you see, as sometimes the people they pay to review the reports are actual sensible individuals that will correctly take down all forms of hate. Not just the "wrong kind" and leave up the anti-White, anti-straight anti-male hate the reddit admins explicitly endorse.

InfiniteDials · 2021-04-05T21:12:46+00:00

Should we send this to the men’s lib sub and see if we can get their support?

Solid-Perspective98 · 2021-04-06T01:09:43+00:00

That's exactly what the Nazi and Soviets said. Righteous folks, think twice about subscribing to reddit premium.

Subversive · 2021-04-06T01:56:44+00:00

based on identity or vulnerability

Pretty sure ‘white’ and ‘male’ are identities. So even if you don’t agree men are in any way vulnerable, the policy should still apply.

thedeets4321 · 2021-04-12T21:26:28+00:00

Wow. This is amazing(ly awful).

When the insanity goes full circle, horseshoe theory back at it.

Emily2047 · 2021-04-15T19:03:08+00:00

And it looks like the Reddit admins are also fine with slurs against autistic people, as long as the autistic people are male :(

YouSaidChicken · 2021-04-05T22:29:04+00:00

Maybe I'm out of the loop, but doesn't current left wing political activism have its basis in identity politics? Which is what reddit is doing here with the oppression stack?

2021-04-06T08:58:39+00:00

After the pedo-admin scandal I started considering leaving reddit.

This now convinced me, thanks for posting it and maybe see you people somewhere else.

Joe_PT · 2021-04-06T21:03:42+00:00

Dude, none of those outlets will follow the story because the Agenda at the moment is that all white men are evil

austin101123 · 2021-04-06T23:02:16+00:00

One of the mousse vulnerable groups to homicide isn't vulnerable? Hmmm

WhenUCantThinkOfName · 2021-04-07T06:54:44+00:00

yOu CaNt BE uPsEt aBoUT haTE spEECh if YouR A wHItE mAN

thesmuser · 2021-04-12T20:07:49+00:00

ahahahahaahah what the fuck, the level of sexism and misandry is outstanding

LettuceBeGrateful · 2021-04-16T14:22:11+00:00

That's disgusting.

I bet Mr. "men aren't vulnerable" also says traditional gender roles are bad...

connzerjeeass · 2021-04-06T14:38:38+00:00

Speaking of r/blatantmisandry , that sub was banned a while back, I made a new sub in replacement r/blatantmisandry2

jabberwockxeno · 2021-04-05T22:05:41+00:00

Before you try to make a giant explosion about this, have you considered trying to point out that Gender isn't like Race, and that both men and women suffer from gender biases and norms and face systemic issues?

I agree that this is hugely problematic, but it's possible it can be resolved without burning the whole thing down.

I would at least ask them for clarification if comments or subreddits that targets men on the basis of ways they face those harmful gender stereotypes and norms breaks the rules: For example, would a comment that targets men in the context of specific ways that we face sterotypes, discrimination, and systemic problems (Such as in the context of men not being seen as empathic, or primary caregivers, or generalized as preprators and not being victims of things like sexual assault) still break Rule1?

Forgetaboutthelonely · 2021-04-05T20:41:33+00:00

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Sock_Crates · 2021-04-05T21:02:36+00:00

Primary criticism is that the first response is a tiny bit vitriolic in the last little bit, but honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the admins only respond to vitriol and delete all other mails so that if things do get leaked to media, they get sympathy points.

Quix_Nix · 2021-04-05T22:42:42+00:00

I can't download the picture...

Onion_Guy · 2021-04-06T06:35:22+00:00

You're not entertaining any critical thinking whatsoever if you think that /r/fragilemaleredditor and /r/fragilewhiteredditor are anything but mocking fragility. I don't know how you manage to larp as a leftist without an ounce of critical thinking or awareness of nuance. Unsure about the other subs you've mentioned as I've never seen them.

Reddit policies already prevent harassing of individuals; if you're being harassed, report it.

Trying to report a subreddit because it hurt your feelings based on some perceived injustice that is very clearly not happening is ridiculous (re: the fragile subs). If I saw your message and the way you worded it, I'd laugh it off too. with your "Go ahead. Delete this" shit. laughable waste of a platform

FearlessReaction5 · 2021-04-06T13:52:59+00:00

Holy shit, I can't believe they were that blatant

Effective_Secret3664 · 2021-04-06T14:37:26+00:00

This actually makes me scared, this is gonna push more towards radicalism.

2021-04-06T20:59:04+00:00

Whatonearth_123 · 2021-04-06T11:04:22+00:00

Ya u guys are fine with hate directed towards women lol

Jinshu_Daishi · 2021-04-06T18:29:40+00:00

Those subreddits target white supremacists and misogynists, not white people and men as a whole. The admin somehow used the wrong justification.

Title	Reddit admins clarify that they're fine with hate if it's directed towards the right people.
Author	Forgetaboutthelonely
Upvotes	831
Comments	248
Date	April 5, 2021 8:10 PM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
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