Many comments mentioned how this defense is brought up by racists/sexists who like to generalize. Amazing they couldn't see how 'all men' is the same thing.

EmirikolWoker · 2022-06-13T12:26:59+00:00

"Hardly any men" is more accurate and better. If 99% of men raped and killed and 1% didn't, "not all" would still be true. The fact of the matter is that hardly any men do the things feminists portray as typical of the male experience.

bottleblank · 2022-06-13T12:29:35+00:00

I'm not "a denier", but I refuse to accept having the crimes of other men rubbed in my face as a reason why it's OK for women to be collectively angry enough to massively overgeneralise and call - by omission of any specifier - all men criminals or accessories to crime.

But indeed, I agree, the fact that so-called "progressives" who seem so determined to explain why not all women are heartless radfems (or not even feminists at all, sometimes), not all black people are in criminal gangs, not all fundamental religious types are child molesters or terrorists, and so on, but blatantly disregard this specificity for men... it's either intentional or it's incredibly bad communication. I don't care which, it hurts us and them either way.

btmims · 2022-06-13T14:20:09+00:00

Prime Men Kampf material right here.

Actually, it's been a minute since I've seen anything from there. Wait... don't tell me...

Edit whew it's still there. For now.

arrouk · 2022-06-13T13:07:21+00:00

I don't treat all black or Hispanic people as criminals because a few are, why treat all men like that for the action of a few.

I have yet to see a comeback to this that doesn't completely expose the other person.

Ocedei · 2022-06-13T14:36:17+00:00

These women want men to fight for them when they would never fight for men. Nah feminists killed traditional roles. They don't get to invoke them now.

Oldgamer1807 · 2022-06-13T16:53:12+00:00

I got banned from r/rant for defending men who take issue when women broadbrush men and make it seem like all men are guilty. The reason was 'excessive male fragility'. I wasn't even rude or confrontational and the community upvoted it. Just shared my perspective.

That's how I found this sub. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Edit: idk why it's bolding my post, on mobile here. 🤷🏻‍♂️

OnThatSigmaGrindset · 2022-06-13T12:35:51+00:00

i need to say "not all men" because i'm not responsible for the crimes that other men commit.

throwawayincelacc · 2022-06-13T14:40:14+00:00

I'm sure these feminists are also allies to the 99% of men that are being abused by feminists. Right?

I'm sure this poster participates in Mens rights discussions about how bad #MeToo is, how women/society needs to stop persecuting men on social media, supporting shelters for men, etc.

Right? Because if you know it's not all men, then being blamed and persecuted for the crimes of a few hurts those men. If she believes men are human beings, worthy of respect and rights, then she's surely an ally? Right? Because as men know well, misandrists will not listen to men. They only hear when women put them in check.

That post is so fucking disgusting it's unbelievable.

Maxwell1138 · 2022-06-13T12:52:30+00:00

I understand, its hard to hear so many stories of men having horrific experiences with feminists. There are a lot... more every day. I know its hard as a woman, to accept there are so many people of your own gender that are responsible for committing such atrocities. Your first reaction is to get defensive because you feel accused.

We know its not all women, and probably not all feminists. Because other women do terrible things doesn't make you a terrible person as well. But please be aware that we see things differently than you. That our experiences are completely different than yours with feminism. And instead of getting defensive, just listen to what we are trying to say and the issues we are trying to talk about. And that there are a lot of very angry and abusive women out there that call themselves feminists that want to destroy the lives of all men.

Men are human beings, they deserve just as much respect as anyone else. You don't need to denounce feminism or women's rights to help stop the problem. You just need to be willing to listen. To hear us when we say that we find something offensive. That killallmen is hurtful, hateful, and should not be ignored. It should be denounced. Joking about hating all men, is letting people that hate all men talk about it. You can't joke about this, because to us its not a joke. Its destroying our lives. And we need you to understand that.

Men have their lives destroyed. Their families taken from them. Their friends divided from them. Their jobs stolen from them. Their educations torn from them. Because you are willing to joke around with feminists that are willing to talk openly about reducing the population of men to less than 10% of the planet. If its not appropriate to say about women, its not appropriate to say about men. If you can't hear us, then you are part of the problem. And we are tired of letting you deny that problem exists.

Stop the hatred.

GltyUntlPrvnInncnt · 2022-06-13T15:35:09+00:00

They ( feminists ) say they're for equality, but stuff like this shows they don't give a flying fuck about men's issues. So much for empathy and understanding. Feminism is cancer and a female supremacy movement, and always has been. Stay away from it and keep your sanity ladies and gentlemen.

biccat · 2022-06-13T15:54:28+00:00

So it's OK to generalize that women rape, murder, and abuse children?

Viesegel · 2022-06-13T13:45:26+00:00

Also, the claim that "women are being assaulted, beaten,... murdered simply because they are women" is not true, just as it isn't true that men are being assaulted, beaten and murdered simply for being men.

People are abused and murdered for a bunch of different reasons, often having little to do with their gender.

oflbtbs · 2022-06-13T17:34:40+00:00

I heard ~95% of people shot by the police are men. Where's male lives matter?

UbiquitousWobbegong · 2022-06-13T18:30:42+00:00

All it takes is a language change. Instead of saying "men are awful", say "rapists and abusers are awful". That is literally all it would take. The only reason why these people are getting called out is because they use the word "men".

Stop blaming men as a group, and people will stop calling you out for misandry.

The problem is that they genuinely believe they're talking about the average man. That is so far from the case that it's mind boggling.

falonyn · 2022-06-13T19:25:33+00:00

I notice that they are calling on men for their help and being an ally. But I often see when men ask for women to be allies on men's issues, I see a common response of we need to fight for our own issues. We need to get out and march on our own, like they have to.

Interesting and hypocritical.

63daddy · 2022-06-13T13:11:26+00:00

Blaming all men for the actions of a few is intentional and should be called out. It’s just as easy to say “a man assaulted me” or simply say “I was “assaulted”. blaming all men for something all men didn’t do is intentional. More women than men kill their infants, but I don’t go around saying “ women murder their infants”.

Saying “men rape women” is basically an extension of feminist patriarchy theory, attempting to blame and guilt all men for female victimization.

If doesn’t like being called out, then simply stop blaming all men. Simple.

JustALotOfLetters · 2022-06-13T15:42:29+00:00

This is hilarious that people say stuff like that. There are 65 million more men on this planet than women. If most men were like that, it would be very obvious.

Mythandros · 2022-06-13T14:42:41+00:00

They can see it, they just don't care.

Feminism is malicious to the core.

Huffers1010 · 2022-06-13T15:51:41+00:00

I think the best response to this is simply "why are you telling me all this, if it's nothing to do with me."

Mythandros · 2022-06-13T21:26:45+00:00

I would have taken that post, replaced all references to women with men and vice versa and then posted it.

Then I'd bust out my stopwatch to see how quickly it was removed.

These tone deaf idiots really don't consider their words when they post them.

MiddleAgedScumbag · 2022-06-14T01:13:11+00:00

Some

Four letters. All it would take is for them to write four fucking letters for this to be a complete non-issue.

Here's a curious thing about language: if you use a noun without a modifier, you are making a generalization about most/all of it. Here, think about an exchange like this:

A: Water is incredibly poisonous!

B: What? No it isn't.

A: Well the water in Flint Michigan is. I didn't say all water. Why are you assuming what I'm talking about? Why are you jumping to conclusions?

Nobody in their right mind would consider A's reasoning to be good here, but this is what feminists constantly do with men.

Of course they're not this stupid. Nobody is. This is purely and simply a deliberate attempt to goad you into responding so they can attack you for not wanting to be generalized. It's a motte and bailey argument that they constantly use among themselves.

Some

Four fucking letters they can tack onto "men" to make their statements correct. And they refuse. They do it on purpose.

LouisdeRouvroy · 2022-06-13T14:51:04+00:00

All the monsters in history have been brought to the world by women.

What should we conclude from that if we were to follow feminism's way of thinking?...

TFME1 · 2022-06-14T04:12:53+00:00

When it affects them: "Don't turn us into a monolithic block!"

When blaming men: "All men are..." usually followed by "trash", "rapists", or "misogynists"...

Wait...I thought we weren't turning groups of people into monolithic blocks?

Falls in the category of: Rules for thee, but not for me.

Also, what is a woman? Can't make them a monolithic block if they can't even be defined.

EnvironmentalSyrup96 · 2022-06-14T04:51:09+00:00

Then I guess its time that we call all women's are gold diggers, sluts, liars, and just want advantage form us. What do you guys think

IceCorrect · 2022-06-13T14:52:01+00:00

Beacuse of paternity fraud no women can be trusted and we must asume all women is lying.

This is even better beacuse even if more sexist humans are males, only women are capable to paternity fraud and there are only male victims of this

insidemyvoice · 2022-06-13T15:55:14+00:00

Isn't this the sub that banned all of the men? I've been banned there and I'm not allowed to reply to this post.

DiversityIsDivisive · 2022-06-13T19:11:22+00:00

All the back and forth and femmesplaining and mansplaining and lecturing and bloviating about who is thinking what when someone says "men do X" and other people say "not all men" could be so easily done away with by utilizing two simple words:

some

and

sometimes

For example, in the posted paragraph we see the line:

it's hard to hear so many stories of women having horrific experiences with men

could be

it's hard to hear so many stories of women sometimes having horrific experiences with men

In the turnabout, when I read:

Women don't want equality, they want benefits

You could save yourself the trouble of dealing with an offended party by saying

Some women don't want equality, they want benefits

It's useful in un-gendered situations, too.

People don't want to work. They just want to mooch off the taxpayer.

Could be:

Some people don't want to work. They just want to mooch off the taxpayer

It's an easy change that will prevent misunderstandings because it adds nuance and specificity to the expression of your ideas.

Sintar07 · 2022-06-13T19:24:05+00:00

I have come to firmly believe they are just making this shit up.

SnooPets2522 · 2022-06-14T00:25:43+00:00

I've seen shit like this on TikTok a lot. I remember some woman commenting on one of my videos "you can't generalize. Look at the CDC statistics!" (everyone knows CDC doesn't give the full picture)

Punder_man · 2022-06-13T20:11:24+00:00

I understand , it's hard to hear so many stories of men having horrific experiences with women. There are a lot... more every day. I know it's hard as a woman, to accept that there are so many people of your own gender that are responsible for committing such atrocious acts. Your first reaction is to get defensive because you feel accused.

We already know it's not all women. Because other women do terrible things doesn't make you guilty. But please be aware of our struggles, we're not making this shit up. And instead of getting defensive, just accept that even though you are not one of them, there are a lot of shitty sexist abusive women out there. Some of them are even your close friend, your family. It's hard to accept.

If you believe that men are human beings, worthy of respect and equal rights, then be an ally, not a denier. We need your help to call them out, when you see or hear them degrading men... because as a men know well, misandrists will NOT listen to men, they only hear when other women put them in check. When we do it, it's a joke, and another reason to hate us even more.

Men are being assaulted, beaten, raped, drugged, sex trafficked, oppressed, enslaved, objectified, dehumanized, murdered, all over the world every dad, simply because they were born men in a world where many women think we are less than them, Being born a man should not be a punishment or something to be shamed for.

So you all might wonder, Why did I bother typing the text from the picture out?And if so I recommend you read the text carefully.. go ahead i'll give you another minute to read over it..

Hopefully by now you will see that I swapped each instance of woman in the original text with men. And isn't it shocking how accurate the text is when you swap the genders..But were I to try posting the exact text above in a feminist sub I would no doubt be censored, banned and trolled without mercy..

Now, with that being said the big highlight here is when they say "We already know it's not all men" the problem is whenever someone then transitions into a BUT afterwards you might as well ignore them because they are essentially tying to bait and switch you by trying to sound reasonable and agree with the premise of 'Not all men' however when they use BUT they are then trying to steer things back on track to try and convince you that 'Yes, ALL men' have a part to play here / are in some way culpable.

Its despicable and underhanded to say the least..

Edit: My face when I make a post before reading the comments and find someone beat me to the punch x.x

PrimeWolf88 · 2022-06-13T23:29:44+00:00

"If you believe that women are human beings, deserving of respect and equal treatment"

Not all women.

papabherd · 2022-06-14T00:10:56+00:00

Because this argument isn't about fairness or resolution, it's to preemptively justify their callousness. They don't want to hear "not all men" because it dismantles their narrative succintly. If we concede,however, that emboldens them to do it more. It's a self-fulfilling trap and nothing more.

dw87190 · 2022-06-14T03:37:36+00:00

"Being born a woman should not be a punishment or something to be shamed for" says feminists who have made it clear that being a born a man is something they will punish us and shame us for

Icy-Start5536 · 2022-06-14T07:09:47+00:00

It's funny how they can get away with the "because they are women" rhetoric. To this day no rapist has ever said "bwahahaha I'm gonna rape you because you're a woman".

Rol9x · 2022-06-14T08:43:15+00:00

First of all, I don't really care what happens in a different part of the world, with people from a completely different civilisation. We should not be there, interfering with their world. They need to figure it out for themselves and create the world that suits them, without our involvement and our sacrifices. We should be better at protecting OUR world. A world where everyone is free and we enjoy our constitutional freedoms.

And, of course, there will always be bad people in the world. In our world, too. Except that we have laws against criminals and we try to enforce them lawfully. So yeah, we all know about bad stories. About bad people. Men and women. About victims of assault, rape, murder. Men and women. We all know about abusers. And how they abuse others: sexually, financially, psychologically. And they are also men and women. Being born should not be a punishment, no matter what biological sex a person has. But being a man doesn't automatically turn you into an abuser and by no means we are not to be made responsible for the evil done by abusers, just because they are men, as we do not hold responsible all the women because of the abuse perpertrated by some of them.

Tai9ch · 2022-06-13T15:17:17+00:00

"Ally" is a mutual relationship. If you're not my ally, prepared to support me on my issues, then I'm not your ally. And yes, that means I'm not your ally just because you're a member of some class of people - any class of people.

NoPercentage7826 · 2022-06-13T23:57:58+00:00

Honestly Its ridiculous. So many women won't acknowledge a man's struggles but expects them to understand theirs. It never goes both ways

digos_ · 2022-06-14T00:04:21+00:00

Horrific or just made you feel a certain way. I have no doubt in my mind there is a high percentage of “horrific” event that aren’t that at all. Women I designed to lie and manipulate and exaggerate feelings. A women described and event with a man named Aziz Ansari to her it was sexual assault (a horrific experience right?) but when her story became public it was very clear that it wasn’t sexual assault it was just a “bad date”

Yowilkat · 2022-06-14T03:44:10+00:00

I understand the need to say "not all women falsely accuse", but...

boomboxspence · 2022-06-14T07:29:39+00:00

This doesn't make sense. Even if I'm not guilty, I'm still gonna take offense. When someone says "black people are criminals" , I'm sure black people don't think "well I'm not a criminal, I'm one of the good ones so I'll just support them and their struggles" No because it's racist. It's the same thing here.

Title	Many comments mentioned how this defense is brought up by racists/sexists who like to generalize. Amazing they couldn't see how 'all men' is the same thing.
Author	TheAsteroid
Upvotes	549
Comments	184
Date	June 13, 2022 12:24 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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