Will things ever get better between us?

CruelAngelGradThesis · 2022-12-14T02:03:41+00:00

It all gets better when you realize there is no "us", just a random clusterfuck of people with dramatically different beliefs who now have platforms to share every mundane thought.

Having a literate population is great and everything but you gotta accept the downsides.

Perfect-Resist5478 · 2022-12-14T02:51:39+00:00

This is the thing about social media… the more inflammatory a post is, the more engagement it gets. The more engagement it gets, the more attention/dopamine the engagers get from engaging. The cycle repeats. The algorithm pushes it to the top of the pile. More people see it, more people engage, more people parrot what they see cuz they identify with a piece of it and take it to all mean truth

So yeah, if you put MRA vs 2XC and hit the bell, there’s gonna be a fight.

But people in the real world recognize that you can’t breakdown complex social issues to “if you have a dick you are a dick” and have it hold any weight

The best way to get off the path to Jadedville is to get off the internet. Have complex conversations with folks of the opposite sex in person and over drinks. Volunteer and give back to the community, and do it with both folks you identify with and with folks you don’t.

The way to combat the rise in cynicism is to forge real human connections, and to leave the trolls behind

well_damm · 2022-12-14T02:21:39+00:00

Men, Women, everything in between aren’t a monolith. People come to this sub already with a particular opinion about the opposite sex because they’ve been scorned. Not to mention, negativity breeds more negativity.

Another big thing is people have zero self awareness and refuse to take blame in their own faults and actions.

Maybe you’re picking the wrong person to date / idolize / etc ? Take a long look in the mirror, but that’s another issue because there’s zero accountability.

“If it smells like shit every room you walk into…. Check your shoe”.

CimZim · 2022-12-14T01:53:18+00:00

Everything is not the fault of men. We live in a very complex society, both sexes are at fault for various issues.

Do not believe that what you see online = what the full truth of the world is. In general, people who are upset and angry are going to be the ones venting on the internet...You can actually see when commenters get pissed off or very confused about those of us in good relationships even deciding to interact here.

Things between men and women are often strained but it's nowhere near the amount shown on this specific section of the internet.

JoeRMD77 · 2022-12-14T09:35:52+00:00

The post starts off with "I've been watching RP content" and ends with "I give up". Which in all honesty, seems like where a lot of other people end up this RP stuff.

techr0nin · 2022-12-14T02:37:29+00:00

It depends on who you mean by “us”. Between redpillers and feminists? Probably not. Between men and women in general? I mean most people are still getting paired up and living their life.

Lyzard96 · 2022-12-14T01:50:36+00:00

Outside of the manosphere and feminist bubbles, men and women actually do get along. So they're already better outside of the r*****ded gender war.

JDWhiz96 · 2022-12-14T13:19:06+00:00

I feel apathy at best toward the vast majority of women nowadays. I cannot get behind the entitlement, lack of accountability, and justification of negative attitudes/actions toward men. Now that my eyes are opened, I’ll never be able to be that hopeful optimist I was for the majority of my life.

Nihilblistic · 2022-12-14T04:19:06+00:00

This posts resonates with me a lot. I’m a woman who developed hateful and defeatist attitudes towards men as a result of the online gender-sphere. I’m only here because of my paper-thin skin. There’s another woman, u/ waxybutt, who expressed your perspective in yesterday’s (or the day before yesterday’s?) daily chat thread. It might be eye-opening to see it from the other side.

I’m don’t have a foolproof solution. The only relief came from positive anecdotes. Search “how did you meet your SO?” or “what is your favorite moment with your SO?” and such on askreddit. I save those threads for a bad day.

Keep in mind that media profits from attention and negative (specifically threatening) content is most effective to that end. You may also consider the idea that media companies parasitize your mind with memes (similar to how biological parasites function with genes). Finally, the human species is distinguished by the level of cooperation between the sexes, which allows for adaptations such as love and the sense of women “feeling safe” with a male partner.

You’re not the enemy. You’re just collateral damage in an ecosystem that runs on fear and defensive outrage. There are other systems in the world.

howdoiw0rkthisthing · 2022-12-14T02:55:59+00:00

Funny, because this is basically exactly how I felt as a woman, but after reading manosphere content.

THHBHStT · 2022-12-14T02:15:18+00:00

Lol outside of social media, this space included, men and women get along just fine. Some women might hate men, some men might hate women. Everyone’s different though and the vast majority don’t hate the opposite gender

kalashhhhhhhh · 2022-12-14T11:22:38+00:00

Things are great between us!

Just look at this sub and similar ones as entertainment, where everyone is hiding behind anonymity and every post should be taken with a grain of salt.

Most people are in relationships with the opposite gender, a lot of them even have friends, and a lot of acquaintances and collegues that they get along. There is no war between men and women irl.

Take a break from Reddit (at least this side of it) if it's taking a toll on your mental health and negatively impacting your real life relationships with the opposite gender.

Nihilblistic · 2022-12-14T03:43:47+00:00

I accepted that I am and always going to be the "bad guy", and there's nothing that can be done about it but prepare for the blowback. It only takes one bad feeling to be the creep, the agent of the patriarchy, the emotionally manipulative or alternatively neglectful boyfriend, the smarmy coward, the demanding husband, the terrible father. After that the only question is if I can be punished in some way over it for it, that is all.

It's just dawning on me and I don't feel great, but I don't feel terrible either. I just have to accept that the only power I have is in not trying to be something I clearly can never be. Every attempt at mitigation or distancing from it, only makes the eventual realisation of how evil I actually am seem like more dishonesty and manipulation on my part. By default, my ability to harm and my influence is taken as absolute.

Everyone already knows I'm the bad guy, everyone already expects that as a man I am responsible for all the negative things and feelings that happen around me. It's just better if I take ownership of that and then we can all be on the same page.

Maybe we should just all own it. Maybe we don't really even have a choice.

Doinpromo · 2022-12-14T01:58:30+00:00

All of this content has simutaneously made me have negative feelings for both men and women

Reality

Historical-System972 · 2022-12-14T03:15:18+00:00

No. Not in the short-term at least - the genders will keep drifting further apart and resent each other more and more. Once the welfare state collapses, there'll be a radical restructuring of society. A new paradigm where women will have to barter with men for their labor and resources, instead of just sitting on ass collecting benefits as they do now, but no one here will live to see it.

AcanthocephalaNew947 · 2022-12-14T02:53:56+00:00

Please don’t take this sub as real life. Despite all these doom and gloom stat pushers people date, they get together, they get married they procreate they work together, they’re friends. Men and women have shared the earth for all of time. We got this.

WilliamWyattD · 2022-12-14T12:08:15+00:00

I think it is very hard to determine what the real facts are on the ground, including which trends may continue or accelerate, and which will naturally die off.

In terms of our evolutionary instincts, technology has taken us further away from the trees and savannas we evolved in than every. Moreover, women have very recently--from both a cultural and evolutionary perspective--undergone massive changes in their reality. Technology has finally given them control over their reproductive systems. It has also mitigated their dependence on individual men for protection and provisioning. Party as a result of these changes, and partly as a result of a conscious decision by most societies, women's status has also changed dramatically. Finally, while men have adapted somewhat to these changes, it is far from clear that men have yet to adapt as much as they can or will.

We should expect these times to be turbulent. We shouldn't necessarily expect women in aggregate to know what they want yet. Nor should we expect any past gender equilibriums to hold; or even for new ones to necessarily form naturally or organically. This may all take time to shake out, and my gut instinct is that women in a kind of collective unconscious way are in no hurry to force any kind of new grand gender bargain. They are still stretching their new legs, exploring what is a new world for them, and trying to decide what they like and want from life. Naturally, they will make mistakes; but until they have tried a lot of things, there may be no real desire on their part to circumscribe their possibilities by trying to come together with men in some sort of new understanding.

It is also possible that women will decide that the genders are as much in opposition as complementary. Anything like what men think of as a 'fair' gender bargain may feel like sexual slavery to women. This is the pessimistic possibility, but it is possible. It may be that free and emancipated, most women do not find that most men provide a net benefit to their lives. Women may naturally be more selective than many feared; or conversely, perhaps they are not so much picky as most men are objectively not that attractive or useful to women. That would likely amount to the same thing in the end.

At any rate, that is the pessimistic possibility. There are more optimistic ones. But I'm not sure we will see a lot more clarity to gender dynamics anytime soon. Women aren't in the mood yet. They feel bitter and victimized, not only for what they see as millennia of slavery, but for the countless assaults on them--physical and psychic--by male sexuality that still happen every day. If men wonder why many women have little concern for 'men's issues', this may be why. How concerned were the freed Black slaves for the plight of poor White Southerners after the Civil War? After what many women see as thousands if not millions years of enslavement, are 40 to 50 years or imperfect emancipation really enough for women to let bygones be bygones? Or to have figured out what they want from a free life? Or how to make a new and 'fair' grand bargain with their past oppressors?

SolidusMonkey · 2022-12-14T02:02:48+00:00

A couple years ago, I was waiting in line to use the bathroom at a bar when a woman walked up, cut in line and shoved me out of the way. When I protested, she said "Whatever, you have male privilege anyway.", and the guy she was with just sheepishly smiled at me and shrugged as she was allowed by everyone else to just go ahead and steal my spot in line.

Why do I bring up a years old story? Because I was fucking homeless at the time.

So no. Things will not get better. Only worse. We basically live in a world where everything men do is hated, everything that's wrong with society is the fault of men, and negative or toxic behaviour is not just allowed in women, but openly celebrated. Enjoy it, buckos.

ta06012022 · 2022-12-14T02:14:39+00:00

A lot of people here live in a weird bubble.

If you’re not happy with where you are, hire a trainer, make a career/life change, or otherwise address the root cause. Things between men and women aren’t bad. Most Americans are in relationships. Some of the shit on Reddit…

Coolio_Street_Racer · 2022-12-14T16:38:28+00:00

Women hate red pill but they make the rules of the game. They decide who wins. Men are just adapting to them.

If women really wanted men to be nice they should fuck the "nice guys" and get in relationships with them… You know the friend who had your back when you got broken up with. But that will never happen lmao...

Atleast until she has pumped and dumped enough and will eventually give the nice guy vanilla sex once a month in exchange for a huge investment. While she let some random dude fuck her in a alley however he wanted a couple of years ago.

Don't hate the player hate the game. That goes for women and men. Be a better player not a bitchier one.

phuck_polyeV · 2022-12-14T14:48:37+00:00

If you didn’t do any of the shit that bad men did why the fuck are you applying any of those words to you?

Why the fuck are you taking ownership of the actions of a bunch of rapists, thieves, and murderers? Why do find the need to associate with and defend awful people just cuz you have a dick just like they do?

Any user produced content especially red pill content is created to make you angry and drive engagement through those ends. They will do everything they can to warp your perception of reality. Make you think they can relate to you by pointing out commonly occurring instances to make you think that “this guy gets it”.

supershotmd · 2022-12-14T10:00:00+00:00

- I know how you feel. I felt the same way before. Women will blame men for all the evil in the world but decline to give credit for any of the good.

- A lot of women think men are their enemy despite the fact we have sacrificed other men - both past and present - for the benefit of women.

- You and I both know that men basically kneel down to women and allow them to have an equal seat at the table - sometimes with a booster seat.

earthisyourbutt · 2022-12-14T12:02:51+00:00

That’s interesting. In this subreddit, all posts I see blame women for everything

2022-12-14T02:10:52+00:00

but whether it's women-centered content creators on Youtube or Tiktok or spaces like Twitter or r/TwoXChromosomes it all comes down this: Everything is the fault of men.

Bingo. They never take accountability and the sympathy they get in these spaces enables their entitlement.

Personally at this point, I give up. By give up I mean give up on the idea the relations between men and women will ever get better.

They will only be good for the top 0.1% of men who hypocritically push feminism through elite institutions while also run exploitation rings.

serafixed · 2022-12-14T04:02:37+00:00

You mean, will things go back to the way it was when only one side had power and there were few complaints?

It could, as many men here like reminding us

2022-12-14T07:51:42+00:00

The only people with a bone to pick with men or women are bitter ass Red Pillers who wanna use their “hurt” as an excuse to be assholes to everyone and feminists who want to use their “hurt” to be assholes to everyone. In real life most men and women aren’t salivating for a chance to hurt anyone because they think hypergamy is hiding under the bed, most women don’t hate men, most men don’t hate women contrary to what Red Pillers wish were true.

Real life still sucks sometimes but it’s not the hell pit that is is this sub-Reddit.

ghibli_tears_ · 2022-12-14T14:38:11+00:00

Instead of looking at it as 'men vs women', I think it's more useful to think of how historically, due to the almost total exclusion of women from public life and decision making, a system has developed which dramatically skews towards the idealised interests of men. This is what people call patriarchy. It oppresses women yes, and the harm it deals them is greater. But it also oppresses men, at the same time as it grants them power and maintains it across generations. A lot of men's toxic and oppressive behaviour is not an innate thing, but it's actually modelled by patriarchy's expectations that boys and men be unfailingly confident, domineering and that they repress emotions other than anger. This causes all sorts of issues.

In my view, this painting of men as evil creatures that we must fight is misleading, I think men need liberation from patriarchy too. But they must be open to letting go of the privilege and power that patriarchy grants them, and they must be open to critiquing certain aspects of conventional masculinity. I see in red pill communities a collection of men who have been failed by patriarchy (because they in some way don't live up to its ideals) and instead become even more desperate to fulfil conventional manhood, and blame women for their failure to do so. In my view, if they embraced feminism and realised it's patriarchy who is devaluing them, not women, then they might actually become less repressed, and happier with themselves and the world.

SoldierExcelsior · 2022-12-14T07:26:52+00:00

Consider the source..I use to manage security for several clubs and high-end hotels every night gorgeous women would be out getting wined and dined by their Chad's and sugar daddies I guarantee you these women aren't on reddit.Yoy wouldn't even know Theresa's a hateful sect of females out there by watching the kind of women that men want that move through men flawlessly they get attention and validation.Ive seen groups where just one women will be commanding the ears of several men and they're all listening attentively.

My point is the women online complaining are the ones Most men but HVM desirable men don't want and Chad's just run through...These women aren't complaining about men they're complaining about the men they choose.I highly doubt you'll find many if any well adjusted attractive women that are desirable being this bitter about men.

So you shouldn't care what some acne faced 200lb chick's with 16 different mental health disorders rant about.The bigger issue is these women are gaining political power and trying to enact all these laws..Like making cat calling illegal punishable up to two years in jail or making it a crime to lie about how much money you make to a sex partner.

obviousredflag · 2022-12-14T14:27:24+00:00

None of what you described actually happens in main stream real life.

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glad0_ve0rgijev · 2022-12-14T08:17:47+00:00

I dont care lmao, each human has their own brain to use, if you make poor decisions thats on you. I dont owe anyone shit, and no one owes me shit. Fair.

Atreiyu · 2022-12-14T10:56:22+00:00

You may run the fault of only looking for sources and communities that confirm your bias.

There are more young men & women that don't see each other with enmity than the opposite.

Maddzilla2793 · 2022-12-14T13:11:07+00:00

Well, for your second to last paragraph.

You can stop watching it. That’s what you can do about it.

Most of this content harps explicitly on specific topics, and you get stuck in your echo chamber that makes common ideas seem MAY seem widely mainstream when they aren’t. E.i: confirmation bias.

Let me try to re-explain this from a marketing perspective.

Content used on social media has the same principles as traditional marketing but is more potent when a feed can give you more messages way more often. For example to a Fors Marsh group tests, it takes only 0.25 seconds of exposure for people to recall mobile feed content at a statistically significant rate1. Now add an algorithm that will set you on a path to be targeted by specific information, as well giving you suggestions on said info. These algorithms also help gear us toward confirmation bias and push us in particular directions ex: in 2019, when YouTube’s algorithm took lots of heat.

Prior to this we relied on newspapers, ads on TV, billboards, and so on to imprint these media messages onto people. And a TV ad required 7 views before it started to stick into someone’s mind. And that’s why there used to be so much $ (still is) in TV ad placement. However, now it can be done on social media at an incredibly accelerated rated.

Now back to echo chambers

Recognizing echo chambers

Echo chambers can also be tricky to recognize, especially if you’re in one. If you’re ever wondering if a social group or website may be an echo chamber, stop and think about a few questions:

Do they tend only to give one perspective on an issue?

Is that viewpoint mainly supported by rumor or incomplete evidence?

Are facts ignored whenever they go against that viewpoint?

If you answered yes to any of these questions, you may have found an echo chamber.

Avoiding echo chambers

There’s no perfect way to avoid echo chambers, but here are a few tips to help you stay on the right track.

Make a habit of checking multiple news sources to ensure you’re getting complete, accurate info.

Interact with people of different perspectives, and discuss new ideas with facts, patience, and respect.

Remember that just because you want something accurate doesn’t make it fact.

I’ll leave you with my final notes.

I legit have a master's degree in a specific kind of communication area (politics). And the fundamental basis of communications theory in mass media is to disrupt people’s minds and get them to think the way you want.

One of my favorite explanations I give to friends is email writing I started out doing. And how we used cherry-pick statistics because we knew people believed subject lines for emails with stats or what seemed like a fact in it. For example, “5,430 monarch butterflies die a year from pesticides. Donate now.” The same is done online. To disrupt the feed and make you look.

And even I come onto subs like this to stay balanced but notice how they end up impacting my viewpoint. We are all subjected to it and fall into this on social media, with specific narratives and echo chambers. And have to check ourselves. I have to check myself constantly.

I'm half asleep hope this made sense.

None0fYour8usiness · 2022-12-14T13:34:23+00:00

I don't think it'll ever get better. Pandora's box has been opened, and it sure as fuck ain't gonna close.

At best it'll stay a net negative for men and women to interact, at worst it'll get progressively worse.

Opening_Pattern_301 · 2022-12-14T15:00:49+00:00

yes if all people learn to be functional, specially as a man, when you reach a certain level you can influence other people, specially your woman to be her best self and lead with the example, but the hard work has to be done first, otherwise you ll always live in a survival mode where you think the opposite gender is out to get you.

Ohmaygahh · 2022-12-14T15:52:46+00:00

No.

For one sexual/romantic strategy to succeed, the other must fail. There is no win-win. It's zero sum.

waffleznstuff30 · 2022-12-14T16:55:55+00:00

I think online gender spheres are a toxic place. Yet I am here what's that saying about me. Oh jeez.

I think if we look at men and women as a monolith that they do x behaviors so they must be x is ridiculous. I think that's where my biggest gripe comes from when Manosphere/Red Pill content is concerned. They talk about science/statistics and stuff that benefit them when all women are concerned. But really there is no constant for human behavior everyone is different and everyone has different experiences. So we really can't gauge. Unless you put two babies in a lab of either gender and hand observe them you really don't have a constant in humans and their behaviors or what leads them to x.

I think what a lot of the gendered discussions lack is empathy and a fundamental understanding for one another as people we just lump it in with groups. And also limiting us down to functions instead of people. (Women = sex, Men = provider) it's really harmful as a whole. We should see someone as a person first, someone's daughter someone's sister a woman who laughs at corny jokes and makes corny jokes. Someone's son, someone's brother, a friend who likes to make up silly lyrics to songs playing on the radio. Not woman "woman only want men for validation and security going for top tier men she's ran through she will hit the wall women can't be funny because statistically men are only funny." Or "Man he's a rapist, he only wants sex, he is privileged, okay incel, men are trash." Like we get so caught up in the bad that we can't see the good in one another.

I think each gender has the struggle. Each individual struggle is different. Men facing rejection tend to be around other men facing rejection but one man who is facing rejections really has a sour personality so other men will assume that it's not personality. So it is like the bad crab in the batch. Women may be have had terrible relationships. A guy who sells you love and affection and a promise of a future only for it to be a dystopian nightmare with you having to compromise with yourself to make it work with someone who just takes and takes. Leaving that cup empty. I think if we approached each side with more empathy and less finger pointing it would be a better place

Impossible_You_8555 · 2022-12-14T19:43:13+00:00

Here is thing women say they don't want a masculine man, but I've never met a woman who isn't attracted to masculine men and masculinity.

Watch what women do not what they say, fuck that's everybody. See what people do not what they say.

Society is anti masculine, women aren't.

I have a friend, she says all sorts of anti man stuff, all sorts of traditional masculinity is bad and guess what she's fine with those dudes.

themoralalpha · 2022-12-14T19:47:57+00:00

What might help shift your perspective is knowing that women are mega attracted to men who can handle them at their worst (being argumentative etc.) and remain totally calm. In other words, it's an attractive masculine trait to be able to face a woman's wrath (like these comments about men) and remain at peace.

This as an opportunity for you to practice this by knowing inside that you're not bad for being a man, and that there are wonderful women out there, too.

TLDR; Don't sweat it

OkProfessional9405 · 2022-12-14T21:25:21+00:00

We've allowed ourselves to define things in terms of a feminist centric viewpoint. So of course from their perspective it's always the man's fault.

I think one of the great concepts put forth by RedPill is that woman aren't better (or worse) then men. We all do a lot of unkind stuff.

RedPill doesn't shift the blame on to women, RedPill just slides the scale back to the middle. Sometimes men are the ones acting crappy roughly half the time it's the women acting crappy.

despisedlove2 · 2022-12-14T23:25:00+00:00

Give it time.

You are waking up. It is a process that involves asking basic questions like these.

AngelxEyez · 2022-12-14T23:39:06+00:00

While I do enjoy these online spaces and discussing "gender politics",trends, generalizations and statistics, I dont take on the burden of all human relations. You shouldn't either. I only worry about my own personal relationships.

Talking "in general" works when discussing everyone, but on and individual level it doesn't work. Everyone is a little different. I dont try to fit people i interact with into a box, or immediately assume their actions/intentions.

pistachio_rose · 2022-12-15T00:21:31+00:00

Hey - I can relate. Even though I (a woman) often take the perspectives most women take in that we feel judged so harshly by men and have to meet ridiculous standards, being on this thread makes me realize a lot of men feel the same way. And honestly, I’m more than willing to listen as long as I can tell that they haven’t been consumed with hatred. For instance the idea that woman are just selfish creatures that never have to do anything hard and take advantage of men like it’s sport is a pretty common one on this group….maybe we need to just think of each other as just people hurting and figuring it out. EVEN though there are gender differences, sometimes the fighting over who has it worse doesn’t seem to make anything better but does do some damage. Anyways, I’m sorry you’re feeling this way. Even though I guess I fall more on the other side of the spectrum with opinions here, maybe that’s a tell-tale sign both sides are fed up, hopeless, and just tired…

LogicianMission22 · 2022-12-15T01:09:39+00:00

Misogynist? ❌

Misandrist? ❌

Misanthrope? ✅

Join the good side!

Beginning-Point-3026 · 2022-12-15T05:13:05+00:00

It gets better when you get the fuck off Reddit, loser. Interact with people in the real world. In the real world, tons of women and men hang out in groups and enjoy each others company. There’s sporting leagues full of men and women in my city that I’ve joined, and groups of mixed sex bar hopping, volunteering, and basically roaming the streets ALL the time.

Just get off Reddit and join in.

2022-12-15T09:15:51+00:00

Your problem is spending too much time looking at polemical material. At the very least switch to reading books instead.

PMmeareasontolive · 2022-12-15T19:45:14+00:00

It is rough. I think circumstances for men have to improve. What I mean is, if you have a sensitive boy, there's no way he can survive in today's world. RP thinks he should transform himself into a brash kickboxer and BP thinks if he's not already king of the world he's a social retard whom they have nothing but contempt for. All of the pressure and expectation to be kings is making men weirder. We need to learn to let people be what they will be a little more. Also the narrative that a man needs a woman has to change; guys gotta make a social life for themselves with their friends, family and community. Nobody tells guys that until it's too late and they've not nourished friendships and family or gotten involved in anything and now they are old and bitter that some girlfriend hasn't stepped in to fill all those roles.

BaldOprah · 2022-12-16T17:51:48+00:00

Neither men nor women are solely responsible for the problems plaguing society and the way it’s structured because it is a product of our individual contributions.

Take for example men blaming women for being more promiscuous on average, having an onlyfans, etc. Meanwhile there’s a massive population of men who incentivize these decisions in women physically, mentally and financially. There was, is, and always will be a demand for these types of women because even most red pilled men would jump at the chance to get nudes from or fuck an attractive girl who’s interested in them if she offered it after the first date or even the same day they met.

abaxeron · 2022-12-17T23:46:09+00:00

It's like someone listing off all the reasons that they're better than you. What can you do about that?

Ask yourself "what if they are just coping".

Yes, women mature faster than men. Which means their brain stops gaining mass at lower point, and starts losing it at earlier age.

Yes, men did not allow women to vote. And when they finally did, a country with leader elected with women's involvement attacked a country with parliament elected with women's involvement, starting the bloodiest war in human history, something that famous suffragist Rosika Schwimmer specifically promised will not happen if women are allowed to vote.

Yes, men are more involved in gang violence. Something women of the Progressive Era said will be fixed if we just ban alcohol.

Yes, men sometimes kill. In 2020, CDC reports around 25 thousand homicides having occurred, most of them committed by men. In the same year, in the same country, women have terminated 620 thousand pregnancies.

Yes, men cheat more, maybe, let's pretend this statement trustworthy. Meanwhile, women are behind virtually 100% of non-paternity events, and their response to it is "what's the big deal?".

Women promised that giving them education will make them better wives, and became worse.

Women promised that helping them to gain leverage in the workforce will make them financially independent from men, and now they are dependent on the state which is fueled by male labor.

None of what they proposed or theorized got confirmed or worked.

Meanwhile, men eradicated smallpox. A disease that, to put things into perspective, is estimated to have taken 2 to 4 hundred million lives in 20th century, and left many survivors disfigured and blind.

So, pray tell, why are you taking their coping so close to your heart?

Title	Will things ever get better between us?
Author	ThrowAwayWhoCares3
Upvotes	40
Comments	98
Date	December 14, 2022 12:55 AM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/zlcpsa/will_things_ever_get_better_between_us/
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