so this is mostly something that i thought when reading the comments on some video clowning on andrew tate, and i dont like the guy but the number of people who unironically said that "guys just needed to be good people, treat women like women beings and not be creeps" was kind of surprising, not because i dont think that those are important, but they are things that you do or you are to continue the relationship or just for your own sake, What guys who go to red-pill are after is what gets them their feet on the door, on the relationship, in the first place: being/becoming attractive, not being/becoming bad or good, morally.

and thats literaly what you need to get into a relationship, i say being/becoming because there is a lot that you cant control, like the black-pillers say, and the part that you can control comes down, to becoming like someone who is attractive, hence the pick-up artistry, the fact that it works or not is irrelevant, the point is that the "rebuttal" to the points is ridiculous and if anything it adds to the problem; if the thing that you need to not need the red pill bullshit is becoming a "good person" does that means that those who struggle are not good people? not good enough, at least? do they need to become even more "good"? are the people who are in relationships all "good people" or are they just attractive?

if this is just some stupid shit that people on the internet say i would be glad, but i just dont think that correlating attraction to moral value is the best way to do things, given that domestic violence (hence bad people in relationships) it just very odd to me that people keep saying that as apparently solid advice to people who struggle in relationships, especially to men, but if you lot who seek advice outside of the internet could tell me if people say this unironically it would be good to know.