4chan explains Tits or GTFO, true equality

thatsnogood · 2014-07-17T03:41:52+00:00

This has nothing to do with Men's Rights.

YetAnotherCommenter · 2014-07-17T06:01:08+00:00

I am not a fan of 4chan but the third post - the one that explained "Tits or GTFO," actually is rather interesting.

To appropriate some SJ lingo, "Tits or GTFO" is a way to call out women who are frustrated at the loss of one of their Female Privileges (i.e. preferential treatment because you're a girl... although this privilege clearly exists on a sliding scale based at least in part on physical hotness). When they try to assert female privilege, "Tits or GTFO" slaps them down.

The phenomenon of internet attention whores is clearly a gendered one - they are almost always female. Society teaches women from day one that they are super-special innately-beautiful princesses, and that success involves being fawned over and constantly talked about. Women in real life who find that difficult to achieve thus turn to the internet to get it (this may be a parallel to those nerdy men who fail at traditional manliness and so engage in lots of competitive video games/e-sports/etc. as a substitute good... so THEY can feel like Alpha Male Champions).

Note that on 4chan the "you're attention whoring" thing only applies in discussions unrelated to sex and gender issues. This is why its okay for us to fawn over our feMRA's - we're actually having a gender discussion. Attention-whoring based on sex is stuff like: "Oh, hi, I'm a 40k player, here are my painted minatures... and I'm a girl. Like... yeah, I know that makes me rare but I'm A TOTAL GIRL GAMER EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS NO POINT IN SAYING THAT BECAUSE I JUST POSTED A PICTURE OF MY 40k MINATURES AND MY SEX HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT BUT I'M A GIRL I'M SO SPECIAL"

Of course, nerd culture is full of men who crave female validation and affection and company. Hence why people such as Sarkeesian get 150, 000 dollars worth of preferential treatment, and why Becky Watson got so far without contributing anything to atheist philosophy or theory or rhetoric.

Nerd culture needs more MGTOW.

Funcuz · 2014-07-17T04:13:18+00:00

Ya know...that actually was pretty logical and once explained, I understand that it's exactly the opposite of the conclusion most people would have jumped to.

Yeah, you know, that place just earned a fair bit more respect in my book for that.

NWOslave · 2014-07-16T23:41:33+00:00

The truth hurts.

Yirthos_Gix · 2014-07-17T03:32:44+00:00

Jesus, who invaded this thread? It's like every single post that even remotely disagreed with OP has been downvoted to hell.

This is a troll post. The sentiment that if the fact that one is a woman should pop up in conversation at any point it is an immediate cry for attention is a completely nonsense assumption. I'm surprised no one else sees this.

The downvote brigade for disagreeing is completely out of whack from normal, and it feels really artificial.

DrAceManliness · 2014-07-17T06:40:05+00:00

Maybe I'm just not up on my lingo, but this... doesn't make much sense to me. Despite what a lot of folks were saying, I don't see the logic in this interpretation at all. Maybe one of you folks can help clear things up.

You see, I was always under the impression that "Tits or GTFO" was applied to people who were already shown to be women. It wasn't some "unspoken rule of 4chan", it was something children wrote because they couldn't control themselves or they didn't know any better.

Now, I haven't spent much time on 4chan. Not really my thing. But it seems to me like these guys are misreading the phrase. It's not a way of sifting out the "attention whores". As far as security measures go, that would probably be one of the most ineffective ones I could imagine. Really, it's a demand slapped onto posters who are found to be women saying that unless they bare some skin, their input is no longer valid.

I mean, you see it here, too. Girls will post and you'll occasionally see that user who has to go check female postings and report back if she's done anything on GoneWild or the like. It's died down a bit, but it's still a form of sexualizing a poster just because it's revealed that she's a woman.

But maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps this is some kind of unspoken rule around 4chan. Even then, it still makes no sense. "Tits or GTFO" gives two conditions, and neither of those is "quietly participate anonymously in the conversation". It has nothing to do with anonymity at all. So why is it being treated as the test that you have to pass to have the right to stay?

"There are no women on the internet" never had anything to do with anonymity. As far as I know, the term came from people discussing that female characters in online games were almost certainly men due to the expected ratio between genders. "There is no gender on the internet" would be relevant, but singling out women would be no way to get a point across about neutrality.

Look, we're fighting for equality here. And equality doesn't include singling out women, even if they made the mistake of declaring their gender on the internet. I want to fight for men's rights as much as you guys, but this goes too far for me. This puts down women to the same degree that the "feminazis" do to us.

Maybe this is a bit too feministic for this sub. I know that doesn't tend to fly around here. And apparently there's some kind of downvote plague going around this thread, so I don't know if anyone will even see this. But is this really in support of the equality that MensRights is supposed to be about?

CNCTEMA · 2014-07-17T04:45:41+00:00

its too much of this 4chan tits or gtfo attitude that has made mensrights have trouble being viewed as legit. this isn't TRP, just as equality doesn't equal feminism when feminism means shitting on men just for being born male, neither does mensrights gain anything from shitting on women for being born female

warsie · 2014-07-17T06:02:26+00:00

Are you seriously trying to defend the gaggle of bullshit that /b/ is as "true equality?" Seriously, this is not exactly going to engender MRA to other people. i.e. defending people who harass camwhores by calling them 'morons' and that they deserve to be harassed and hurt by random /b/tards.

Also

cancer, cancer everywhere

Steampunk_Moustache · 2014-07-17T02:36:05+00:00

Really disappointed with the responses to this thread - or more accurately, to the fact that they've been downvoted to hell.

HoldenH · 2014-07-17T06:34:53+00:00

Get this garbage out of here

SarcastiCock · 2014-07-17T04:54:53+00:00

Most people don't get 4chan.

The whole idea is to get past your emotional reactions by becoming inundated with shock and awe. Once you can get past that primitive emotional thinking, then you will be able to think clearly.

Still, I don't think even men's rights gets it, special snowflakes are very popular here.

warspite88 · 2014-07-17T16:42:25+00:00

this is a subject that indirectly deals with mens rights.

the point of all of this is that the internet is gender neutral until you tell others your gender. In this 4chan scenario and in this case female. and most people in the internet community and the public at large knows that when a female identifies herself in a male dominated space she chooses to do so and doing so comes with all kinds of issues that are both men and womens fault. such as special treatment to the female and shutting down mens voices for one reason or another.

so the 4chan members are saying keep your gender to yourself so those "issues" can be avoided and they can just focus on whatever internet crap they are doing.

if there was a female dominated space and it was well known that men would get special treatment if they identified themselves then its logical that women would not want men identifying themselves for the same basic reasons. society would have no issue with that either because it is women protecting their space from MEN! that is not misandry right? heck misandry isn't even a recognized word on spell check haha! right....

in our female worshiping western culture the tits or gtfo scenario is far more common. Its so interesting to see those posts screaming misogyny when they missed the point entirely. It is not misogyny it is a demand for anonymity.

men have no rights when dealing with women as we can see here, even in a space that demands anonymity when a woman breaks that trust and "members" call her on it suddenly the knee jerk reaction is that they hate women. Only a matter of time before the legal system and feminist organizations shut down 4chan and put men who want internet anonymity behind bars.

this may not be an MRM thing but it most certainly is a mens rights thing.

Arakin · 2014-07-17T17:54:18+00:00

This is exactly what I bring up when girls whine about how girls get mistreated online in gaming. Wah wah wah, girls get mistreated, blah blah blah. First off, no one needs to know you're a girl. Either don't use the mic or don't make your name "Julie." If you are bringing up the fact that you're a chick, simply to make people aware, you have an agenda. Second, EVERYONE gets shit on online gaming. Everyone gets called every name in the book by everyone for good or bad reasons. Girls just want to complain about something or get special treatment in games. How many guys you know had another gamer buy them something because they met them in WoW? I know plenty of chicks who get handouts on internet games simply for being chicks.

miroku000 · 2014-07-17T07:13:41+00:00

Well, if it is any consolation, I seem to remember that some feminist subs were planning on banning people who used "man" or anything that indicated that they were male in their username.

liquid_j · 2014-07-17T15:35:24+00:00

" We exist without skin color, without nationality, without religious bias.."

It's crazy that 4chan is the only place left that still respects this ideal.

Xanderstorm · 2014-07-17T04:00:11+00:00

Slow... Fucking.... Clap

duganaok · 2014-07-17T07:24:59+00:00

Ha love it

Ultramegasaurus · 2014-07-17T08:37:43+00:00

This is awesome

CaptainJamie · 2014-07-17T12:15:34+00:00

This is why nobody takes this subreddit seriously. Stop being fucking morons posting dumb shit like this.

PerfectHair · 2014-07-17T15:05:04+00:00

No she wasn't! If she posted tits and vag she ceased to be anonymous. She ceased to be one of us and became another girl clamoring for attention. [...] She got what she deserved.

Generally I'm in favour of the "Tits or GTFO" explanation, but no, she did not deserve to be bullied. Ignored and laughed at perhaps, but no one deserves bullying.

FlyingSkyWizard · 2014-07-17T18:50:03+00:00

While the "there are no girls on the internet" meme is an interesting thought experiment, i've seen this exact screencap like 50 times, can we ban this?

OmegaDN · 2014-07-17T15:47:53+00:00

This post is embarrassing. So much angst.

2014-07-17T18:43:21+00:00

What the fuck is wrong with you people

Poperiarchy · 2014-07-16T23:42:22+00:00

That Leegin guy is pretty cool sometimes.

eatshitanddienow · 2014-07-17T15:57:16+00:00

I see the MRM is focusing on the important things, ie a stupid 4chan phrase.

Keep fighting the good fight gentlemen.

Steampunk_Moustache · 2014-07-17T02:35:17+00:00

/b/ was never good.

Karissa36 · 2014-07-16T23:48:39+00:00

TheGoldilocks 132 points : 4 months ago reply So everyone is equal? Meaning male. Only by outing yourself as female do you become not worthy of being treated like a person. Just meat.

MyParentsWentToTorontoAndAllIGotWasThisCrappyUsername 43 points : 4 months ago reply This isn't free of gender, this is "assume everyone is male or if said female, assume she is automatically an attention whore"

thekiwicaper 123 points : 4 months ago reply This is still extremely sexist. My gender is only relevant when you want to fuck me? No. How about stop equating female with sex instead?

sushiyung 50 points : 4 months ago reply So when you reveal you're female then you're subject to be hated on?

Le4chanFTW · 2014-07-17T02:09:28+00:00

Take a break from /b/, mate. That place is long dead.

ahhidk · 2014-07-17T01:38:17+00:00

'The only interesting thing about you is your naked body.' And you all are in support of this sentence? It's sexist and disgusting.

Title	4chan explains Tits or GTFO, true equality
Author	HellHound989
Upvotes	317
Comments	255
Date	July 16, 2014 11:27 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/mensrights/comments/2awlh9/4chan-explains-tits-or-gtfo-true-equality/
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