Like attracts like: Is TRP really only geared towards men chasing stereotypical, awful, shallow women?

flipster14191 · 2015-02-09T21:34:01+00:00

Yes. Mostly.... For me, TRP allowed me to be successful with the type of girls you described, and this had numerous effects on my interactions with the girls I actually like.

For whatever reason, getting with lots of those types of girls made it easier for me to break barriers with nice, intelligent girls. Not sure if it just is because my "game" is better, or because they thought there must be something special about me to get with the other ones.

Edit: Now that I think about it, it's really fucked up. Like seriously, the fact that it worked is really messed up, and speaks volumes about our society. But I guess I just played within the rules I was given.

PGN_300 · 2015-02-09T14:37:31+00:00

I think you're right to be honest, different tactics work on different women. Elements of TRP are helpful in my own relationship but my relationship is outside of the norm and I know that - it's very much a heavy D/s dynamic. I do think the kind of shit TRP advocates works on submissive women. But I look at others and they're perfectly happy using different tactics and being in relationships with totally different dynamics. Whatever makes you happy is what you need to stick to.

Alpha_Kale · 2015-02-09T17:56:03+00:00

The vast majority of people, male and female, dont have that many sexual partners. When I pointed this out to a redpiller he said "Women lie, and that number includes ugly women too." Which pretty much proves my point- not that women lie (I mean, they do, but so do men) but rather that women who don't fall into their standard of "hot" don't count toward AWALT. If a woman has 3 sexual partners and gets married and stays faithful but she isn't an HB9, then forget it, she's ugly and her behavior is only faithful because nobody would want her anyway.

I have a hard time sympathizing because it's like the women who only want the top-tier men and then complain there are "no good men left" and "all men are assholes." No, you're just shallow and since you only care about appearance/status, the only men you're attracted to are going to be dicks because they have every option available and nobody is checking their behavior. Same with the hottest party-girl college chicks. When people are allowed to act like assholes, they will generally act like assholes. Obviously there are good-looking people who are also great people, but the less you are held accountable for your behavior, the more of an ass you will be, regardless of gender. And hot people aren't held accountable that often- if they cheat on one person they'll have another waiting for them.

AWALT isn't total bogus or anything, but if TRP just deigned to date women who were their own physical equal, they'd have a way easier time.

TalkToHusband · 2015-02-10T23:18:08+00:00

There was a social experiment done that asked girls if they would casual sex with a guy that was attractive, if people didn't found out, and he wasn't shitty in bed.

70% of women said yes.

There have been countless Tinder posts where really attractive guys see how women respond to them. Even the shy nerdy girl was dtf...

chasingstatues · 2015-02-09T15:58:02+00:00

I completely agree with this. Most red pillers are shallow assholes and that's exactly the type that they attract and are attracted to.

shitonmycock · 2015-02-10T08:25:36+00:00

You got it. Law of attraction as explained by "The Secret."

Or confirmation bias fueling self-fulfilling prophecy.

RP unplugs from one matrix just to plug into a new one.

YaBoiTibzz · 2015-02-09T20:38:33+00:00

There are definitely certain types of women that aggressive behavior is more effective with, but I do feel that some RP advice really will apply to any dating/relationship attempts. Holding frame for example. In a lot of LTRs the guy will end up as a doormat just doing whatever the girl asks, whether it's fair or not, just to avoid pissing her off. That is a situation you need to be aware of and know how to avoid. As always it's up to the individual to take what will be useful for them out of the ideology as a whole.

Bakerofpie · 2015-02-09T14:37:00+00:00

It seems like most of the RP guys who are married or in relationships have wives and girlfriends with borderline personality disorder. I have rarely heard of such incredibly appalling behavior as I've seen discussed in TRP and MRP. I can judge those dudes for sticking around, but I would be full of crap if I said I hadn't ever put up with similar things from a woman without kicking her to the curb immediately. I'm a pretty normal damn person. I wouldn't dream of throwing things at my Husband or screaming in his face or threatening him, nor have I done so to any prior mates (okay, I screamed at one guy when I was 17). Yet I have been attracted to crazies as well. Maybe it's generally true that the hottest chicks are the nuttiest. Looking back at prior interactions with women I have realized I see way more RP stuff that has been true for me than I am comfortable with. Good thing I married a dude.

saltinado · 2015-02-09T16:16:43+00:00

This is exactly how I feel! I think if you're focusing on women that will sleep with you, you're working with an inherently biased sample. Of course you're going to see them as "slutty", but there are all kinds of women who won't sleep with you, what are they?

CountDrama · 2015-02-09T20:02:21+00:00

TRP works because it turns men into a certain type of person that attracts these women. If you are shallow, narcissistic, and insecure, well you're just going to attract shallow, narcissistic and insecure people. AWALT is more All Women Who TRP Works On Are Like That. I've yet to meet this psycho machiavellian female that all RPers are convinced exist because they run into her everyday. If everywhere you go you smell shit, then you'd better check under your shoe.

despisedlove2 · 2015-06-01T01:52:05+00:00

TRP is geared towards setting men free of the outdated social programming that makes loving suckers out of them.

Some TRP members prefer to become PUAs and spin plates. Its a meaningless (to me) existence. Unsurprisingly, they will attract a certain female demographic.

However, that is because TRP doesn't have much to say about how men should lead their lives. It only tells you how fucked up the society has become, and why men need to look at women for what they really are.

Every man draws his own conclusions.

PetticoatRuled · 2015-02-10T06:21:28+00:00

Like attracts like: Is TRP really only geared towards men chasing stereotypical, awful, shallow women?

Yes. People who seek to manipulate others either end up with those who are like themselves or make victims out of other people.

nomdplume · 2015-02-09T18:06:46+00:00

The more I read of TRP the more it feels so much like their focus is centered on the 18-22y/o sorority-girl-at-a-party-school types.

The more I read of TRP, the more it feels like the demographic is centered around 18-22 y/o boys. Are you shocked that their focus would then be on sorority-girl-at-a-party-school types? That's their world.

The average TRPers world is not representative of the entire world of sexual dynamics.

Red Pill addresses the entire world of sexual dynamics. The fact that the focus on TRP is so specific is a reflection of the demographics of that sub, not of the entirety of the Red Pill model of human sexual behavior.

wazzup987 · 2015-02-09T15:05:15+00:00

Basically. RP is the platos cave of dating.

ECoast_Man · 2015-02-10T02:35:07+00:00

No.

AWALT is proven time and time again to apply to the girl next door, as well to the sorority cheer leader. My experience as well.

I am currently fucking the cute cashier at my works cafeteria. Nice guy ex-fiancé backed out. She is a total 'nice girl', yet I'm fucking her during this 'grey area' period. He would shit himself if he knew that she is fucking someone else during this, I'm sure.

Mysogyny · 2015-02-09T14:31:35+00:00

RP attracts guys who were told to "just be themselves" and then found out that that didn't work at all. Men who believed in the feminist mantra of grrrrrl power.

Women want men who are men, not boys. This doesn't mean someone who will sip wine with you and watch Sex in the City. It means someone taller and stronger than you who you know can protect you in all situations, both social and physical. The social protection is where RP really comes in to play. If your guy sways with your emotional mood, then he's not going to protect you when you melt down, 'cause he'll be too empathetic. So the shit tests test to see if he's going to be able to handle whatever the world throws at him.

UniversityofToronto · 2015-02-09T14:36:01+00:00

"ones who struggle the most, become bitter/angry etc are the ones who are the most shallow, the ones who lust after the 1%/HB10s of women"

first off, these guys aren't RP. RP doesn't tell you to shoot beyond your worth but to self-improve and hopefully yourself become the top x% to attract the top x% of females.

Now I'm not saying I'm privy to the intimate details of the lives of all the people I know but I look around and for the most I see women either in or seeking LTRs with stable mates

I think you're pretty much aware of the problem with your statement. Women can't go around touting all the men they've slept with as there's negative social repercussions for that, so it's not like you would know unless you're very good friends with them.

Most women I know don't go around dropping their panties for a guy just because he's hot/buff/popular/whatever.

No, but they will for a guy who's hot + well-read, affluent, and able to hold good conversation - all things TRP advocates for.

Most women I know would never be okay with being a "plate" for some dude for the hell of it or because he's tall or rich, etc

Of course most women would rather be in a relationship with this "tall, rich and smart dude" than be a plate for him. The question is whether most women would prefer being the plate of tall rich guy or in an LTR with some average joe (and you can answer me on what you think is most likely).

brucebanner13 · 2015-02-09T21:34:55+00:00

"In my experience, most guys do okay with women"

Unless you're a guy, this means nothing.

"Meanwhile, the ones who struggle the most, become bitter/angry etc are the ones who are the most shallow, the ones who lust after the 1%/HB10s of women. They are the ones obsessed with looks, status, etc and inadvertently desire women who feel similarly. "

Hahaha, men already compromise on pretty much every criteria. Even looks, which is supposed to be the most important.. men still date women uglier than themselves.

exit_sandman · 2015-02-09T15:41:40+00:00

I disagree. You're right regarding AWALT - that description is basically just a list of the worst traits which are most reliably displayed by the demographic you've mentioned (though it's by no means exclusive to that one).

However, what TRP says attracts women (which is already pretty unflattering in itself) and plays to the female sense for drama isn't really restricted to 18-22 year olds.

Vornnash · 2015-02-09T13:56:06+00:00

The only thing worse than sticking your dick in crazy is sticking it in ugly IMO. HB7 is pretty much my minimum standard, everyone else is literally invisible to me, and I don't apologize for that, just as women make no apologies for what they desire in a mate.

The problem with very attractive women is most of the good ones are already taken, so you're left with the ones that are unstable and hypergamous in the dating pool.

chazzALB · 2015-02-09T16:34:05+00:00

If so, then why do BPers trot out the trope of the poor naive girl being manipulated by evil TRPers. If like attracts like would evil TRPers and evil manipulative women end up together?

UniversityofToronto · 2015-02-10T03:55:54+00:00

A tenet of (most) feminism isn't to condemn the individual for being attracted to certain qualities. Making a value claim and calling these women awful and shallow is counterproductive. We are all free to be attracted to what we want.

You aren't better than another individual just because you are attracted to guys who are skinnier or guys who are meek.

Yonderlander · 2015-02-10T21:17:51+00:00

I think you hit the nail on the head. The women who I think 'count' over at RP are a very small proportion of all women. The average, or just not particularly 'hot' women, are at best invisible or at worst only worthy of contempt.

ppd_FrameEnforcer · 2015-02-09T16:14:02+00:00

Most women I know don't go around dropping their panties for a guy just because he's hot/buff/popular/whatever. Most women I know would never be okay with being a "plate" for some dude for the hell of it or because he's tall or rich, etc and I certainly don't know a great many girls who actively lust after abusive, Dark Triads.

A confounding factor would be that women act differently around men than they do other women.

It takes social maladjustment or poor info management for a woman to be infamous for "dropping [her] panties for a guy just because he's hot/buff/popular/whatever".

notsuremustthink · 2015-02-09T13:57:36+00:00

Your stuck in beta orbit bro, that much I for sure know.

adrixshadow · 2015-02-10T08:22:32+00:00

You say that like its something TRP doesn't realize this.

If they are looking for sex of course they will find women that best suit their needs.

That's the thing, what suits their needs. Its perfectly fine to go to clubs.

Also good TRP chase EVERYONE, any time any place.

You imagine that you will never meet a TRP(you would be correct since its statistically unlikely,we are still pretty small numbers) but we would use every opportunity.

Friend circles and hobby groups are the oldest hook ups in the book.

In fact Cold approaches are way way harder then friend introductions. You bet your ass we know about them.

Xemnas81 · 2015-06-17T04:07:35+00:00

It's rather that the lower a person's SMV, the more likely they are to naturally conform to blue pill principles and vice versa. That is to say, if you want a very blue pill, Sensitive New Age Guys Welcome relationship, get a middle-aged obese woman. She will support that to some extent whether she likes it or not. If you want a hot girl, be prepared to play by RP rules.

This is why I consider anything which boosts a woman's SMV and potential for hypergamy to be a form of dread. E.g. hitting the gym to lose weight. Making new guy friends. Getting a promotion. Suddenly, what was once acceptable, now is beta. What was once deemed morally outrageous, now is a bit of rule-bending, a little bit of fun. Ergo, attraction is amoral.

autoNFA · 2015-02-09T17:41:29+00:00

I don't think so. I've met too many so-called "good girls" who turned out to fulfill TRP tropes after I got to know them to dismiss the controversial aspects of TRP outright. Maybe it's a small subgroup, but it's a subgroup that's virtually impossible to identify at first glance. Or fourth glance.

Cyralea · 2015-02-09T18:42:36+00:00

This is a rationalization. It's what BP'ers want to believe because it lets them reconcile the fact that TRP works and the idea that women are still pure, good beings that would never "fall" for these tactics (while simultaneously painting TRP'ers in a negative light).

Do you want an honest reply, or are you looking for people to echo your circlejerk? One of us has actually tried RP methods, the other is simply guessing.

It works on all women. You change some specifics here and there for different demographics, but the core works on all but a few outlier-types.

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pandorarosie · 2015-02-10T03:56:41+00:00

confirmation bias with a side of self-fulfilling prophecy will do that to you.

if you're looking for it, you'll find it.

enthdegree · 2015-03-20T06:30:14+00:00

After I got through reading your post I said aloud to myself 'Are you a girl?'

Sure enough after scrolling up to look at your nick...

The thing that made me realize was the beginning of the last paragraph. In no way do most men do 'okay' with women, nor are they happy with the dating pool. What kind of men do you hang out with? Only someone with a girl's perspective could possibly believe something like this.

Plugawy_Nedznik · 2015-02-10T07:40:33+00:00

Most women I know don't go around dropping their panties for a guy just because he's hot/buff/popular/whatever. Most women I know would never be okay with being a "plate" for some dude for the hell of it or because he's tall or rich, etc and I certainly don't know a great many girls who actively lust after abusive, Dark Triads.

And what is your demographic and is it larger or not than the "18-22y/o sorority-girl-at-a-party-school type"?

Title	Like attracts like: Is TRP really only geared towards men chasing stereotypical, awful, shallow women?
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Date	February 9, 2015 1:46 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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