22k upvotes! Bringing some awareness!

Arthas_Greyjoy · 2018-11-20T06:49:13+00:00

Is it so hard to not denigrate men for one day

Goddamnedengineer · 2018-11-20T12:48:09+00:00

Same shit different day. “Men are doing it wrong and need to change. Men need to do MORE”

No stupid. Men have done enough. Women and government need to stop using men as tools, punching bags, and wallets.

zelda0934 · 2018-11-20T06:49:29+00:00

Nope, this is Men's Lib misdirection.

Instead of asking society to relieve the pressure on men:

Demand that women do real work too. No more free rides on gender's studies and arts programs.

Provide additional government services that cater to men exclusively. Services that find creative solutions around the problem of men not wanting to appear vulnerable.

Fix the law so that fewer men end up in prison for bullshit reasons. Better financial protection laws, especially from alimony and child support.

How about we don't tell men how to fix themselves, but instead tell society how to treat men better. Maybe that will actually help alleviate the pressure and stress that men feel.

This message of "Go ahead, make yourself vulnerable!" is terrible. Many men are in an environment where society and the women in their life are trying to exploit every weakness they can find... It's not a good plan.

Don't tell men to be vulnerable. First fix society so that it is safe and effective for men to be vulnerable. Once you've done that then, maybe, teach men that its ok to be vulnerable. But you got to make it OK to be vulnerable before telling them to.

JazzTheGoose123 · 2018-11-20T10:05:11+00:00

That is not the reason we are killing ourselves. Stop this fucking feminist propaganda. Don't you see this is exactly what they say our problem is? Toxic masculinity. Us being macho or whatever the fuck that means. Men are strong. Men don't often need to cry. Men are different and cope with emotions differently. We do not need to cry because of stress all the time. They're turning us into these pussies because they actively forbid us to be actual men. The entire school system is designed for women's ways of learning, not men's. If we act like boys and can't sit down for 6 hours straight every day we now have "Attention deficit disorder". Why are we being drugged so damn much compared to girls? How come we have to adapt to women's ways and be sensitive now? We are being brainwashed into thinking that us not being able to talk about our feelings is what's making us kill ourselves when it's a much deeper rooted problem. They Claim we should talk about our Feelings but when we do we are called what? Exactly. Fucking sexist mysoginists. Because we are different and feel different. Stop apologizing for being men. This tweet is pure garbage and is not the reason we are killing ourselves. It's because we are being denied who we are and find ourselves lost in a world that isn't ours.

blueteamk087 · 2018-11-20T08:53:03+00:00

You can be vulnerable and “manly”

What needs to end is the stigma against talking about mental health issues, and better quality in mental health care.

Unlike normal medical treatment, mental health kinda requires finding the right doctor to help you. As someone who is bipolar with severe depression, I can attest, it is hard finding a doctor who will listen to you and help you. And even living in a city it can be hard finding a good mental health doctor. I can’t imagine the stress of living in more rural parts of the country where mental health professionals are a dime a dozen.

Eastuss · 2018-11-20T10:26:46+00:00

Coping is not problem solving.

Highborn_Hellest · 2018-11-20T06:35:57+00:00

Yeah let's become more like woman. That'll help.....

DigitalisEdible · 2018-11-20T07:47:08+00:00

Men cannot be macho any more. This is part of the problem.

bobbybigstuff · 2018-11-20T14:25:04+00:00

Pass, I think emasculated men are the problem

arsch_loch · 2018-11-20T18:19:22+00:00

This is a clear example of populist bullshit: you take a very complex problem and you oversimplify it. How does "talking about it" help you if your life is in ruins and you're willing to kill yourself?

HotspurHarry · 2018-11-20T12:57:12+00:00

This is stupid. Men are killing themselves because they're being taught from a young age that they're inherently bad, that things they want and work for are inherently bad, that their reasons for getting out of bed are inherently bad, that their thoughts and feelings are inherently bad. Now here's some Twitter douche listing things about men he thinks are inherently bad. Complete leftist propaganda.

bastardstepchild · 2018-11-20T14:23:47+00:00

Calling masculinity “macho bullshit” is part of the reason men kill themselves.

Electroverted · 2018-11-20T18:05:46+00:00

That's /r/MensLib bullshit right there. Cut it out.

Mykeru · 2018-11-20T15:15:23+00:00

Hey, dudes contemplating suicide: You need to change. Another tick on the "you fucked it up list".

Great, just great, Matt.

Strongblackfemale · 2018-11-20T14:53:04+00:00

Garbage. This moron is suggesting that being more feminine the only thing that will fix men. Masculinity is not the issue. Men “acting tough” is NOT the issue. This moron is the issue. We are constantly telling men that being men is wrong.

mostclever__184 · 2018-11-20T15:22:40+00:00

I support this, but I'm curious.

We're suicide rates lower at a time when "macho" masculinity was higher?

PleasantHuman · 2018-11-20T18:28:56+00:00

I like macho bullshit though..

elebrin · 2018-11-20T13:20:34+00:00

So manning up seems to mean a lot of positive things. It means taking responsibility for your own life and things you do with it. If you really want to empower men, help them do that.

Make it easier to be self employed or start a small business.
Remember that low-skill workers are people too, treat them like people, and realize that they probably WANT extra hours and to work more so that they can improve their skills and make more money. When your wage is tied to the number of hours you work, you are going to work as many hours as you can bear.
Don't demand that your boyfriend/husband make X amount of money, then get upset when he works a lot of extra hours and isn't around.

In 2018, the average male life expectancy was 78 years. Unless you are particularly notable, you probably won't be able to lead much of a meaningful life before 20 or after 65. More likely, you'll start finding your meaning and building a life around 25. We get about 40 years to leave a positive mark on the world, and for most of us, that's all we really want. Let us have that. We don't need you to do that, we just need to put our heads down , get to work, and not have to deal with other people's bullshit.

HopliteGFX · 2018-11-20T07:41:33+00:00

I don't need to act like a fuckin' pansy. Yes man up. Yes tough it out. I am macho and I love it. Being tough and macho is what makes men men.

_370HSSV_ · 2018-11-20T15:19:09+00:00

Noone's faking being macho. You can be strong and have a soft heart.

ReasonItOut · 2018-11-20T18:17:30+00:00

The idea that it's people telling me to "man up" that's causing male suicide rates is so incredibly asinine.

It's homelessness, work place deaths, fatherlessness, loads of custody, apathy from society at large. Etc.

There is literally no one short of feminists and their "Male tears" mugs shaming men for their emotions (and they only do that when men are demanding change).

Blaming masculinity for men killing themselves is retarded and anyone who suggests it should feel ashamed. It's nothing more than a way to avoid addressing real issues - it's the same shit that mandating campaigns like The "Good men" project push.

LedZeppelin1602 · 2018-11-20T19:15:42+00:00

All manner of men kill themselves not just macho meatheadds. I’m sick of this toxic masculinity narrative. It’s just a form of victim dismissal. They basically say men are to blame which means that only men need to change and not societies attitudes towards men. It’s a way to acknowledge the problem but not do anything to fix it except tell the suffering group they have to change. I can’t think of a single women’s issue in mainstream media and government and awareness campaigns that is held as women’s responsibility to change in order to remedy it, it’s always an external force whereas with men’s issues it’s always promoted as the fault of men not from any external pressures or lack of support

Popular-Uprising- · 2018-11-20T15:57:46+00:00

While I mostly agree, I'd say that you should "Man Up", "Tough it out", "Use fake macho bullshit", or "show your vulnerability". Whatever you have to do to avoid killing yourself is what you do. Nothing else matters and different tactics work for different people.

UNLIKELYME · 2018-11-20T20:04:27+00:00

The Peter Pan Syndrom: let's all stay children!

PeruvianRug · 2018-11-20T22:02:55+00:00

As someone who's attempted it and dealt with the thoughts for a long time (not for the last several years) I fucking hate how suicide his presented as the core issue.

It. Is. Not.

Suicide is the terminus of a disease in the same way organ failure is the terminus of cancer. We don't go around looking for a cure for organ failure and we sure as hell shouldn't be focusing so much effort on suicide itself.

No healthy person wakes up one day then later on decides to kill themselves. The seeds for that pattern of thinking are sewn in months, if not years, before and seem to be finding some fantastic fertility in today's social climate.

Without structure, without community, without focus men die. Some drag themselves on until they collapse while a few take an early exit of their own making.

iainmf · 2018-11-21T00:50:55+00:00

Showing your vulnerability is stupid advice.

Find someone you can trust. Then you are not vulnerable when you reveal more about yourself.

ColonelVirus · 2018-11-20T12:09:04+00:00

Hmm is it preventable? Having known two friends to kill themselves, if you wanna go you wanna go. Nothing will stop you, no amount of support, friends, family, therapy.

semvhu · 2018-11-20T17:02:58+00:00

As of 2015 (the latest official data I found on a quick Google), that's incorrect. Accidents are the leading cause, suicide second.

https://www.cdc.gov/healthequity/lcod/men/2015/all-males/index.htm

Has this changed since that data was tabulated?

Robfu · 2018-11-20T20:10:30+00:00

Never give up keep studying and learning and aspiring

evil-kaweasel · 2018-11-20T21:24:47+00:00

People post stuff like this and all agree on the internet, but in real life it's so different.

My work mate last week explained to our boss he was struggling especially with the anniversary of his brothers death. Her wise response was "You've just got to get over it" I mean ffs.

Forgot_Pword · 2018-11-21T04:19:39+00:00

Who says showing vulnerability does anything. As a command let’s say. It’s just not evidence based. It’s feminist based propaganda

Mackowatosc · 2018-11-21T10:29:27+00:00

"lets show vulnerability" and have it used against us. Yay.

Nope, lol.

thelirivalley · 2018-11-20T15:17:31+00:00

This is a great post, however reading the comments is really disheartening.

I think I've spent too much time reading the posts and not the comments which is why I've been subscribed for so long.

BlackBoxInquiry · 2018-11-20T16:39:36+00:00

Social Bullying by the rabid and self described “The Pussy Paladin” and their lack of true knowledge are getting to men at younger and younger ages.

They clamor about being defined by roles, but are they?

No, men are. We truly identity with the roles we have.

Wonder why suicides are so high after divorce? Roles we once carried such as “Husband, Father, Friend, Provider” are stooped from us because of any reason (thanks no fault laws, royally fuck you) and what are we left with? Just two roles: the whipping boy and the financial backer aka kid rental payments.

The fact feminism, gay rights and more exist truly baffle me...either those clamoring for equal rights don’t honestly want equality, or they’re mentally deficient and don’t understand the fucking term and definition of it.

Can’t have equality if they’re gonna label and create facets within it...can we?

I don’t care what their justification for arrogant ignorance is, to each and everyone I proudly say:

Educate yourself, it’s time to step up or shut up.

Oldnoob72 · 2018-11-20T22:46:56+00:00

During a time of massive depression not long ago I was in the woods alone with a knife. I was so very close to the end of what I thought I could take. I decided I am worth being. I am loved. I will not go off and just give up. Since then I have been getting my life back together. I have new people in my life that benefit from me and my life matters to myself and others. Never give up. You matter too. It’s easy to get lost in your problems. Ask for help and keep trying to make your life the place you want to exists in. Good luck brothers.

alex_dlc · 2018-11-20T13:23:50+00:00

points =/= upvotes

grilledsandwhich · 2018-11-20T21:53:45+00:00

I disagree, men must fill the gender role of strength and stability. Who will protect the women and children without the masculine elements of society?

pm_me_burnt_pizzas · 2018-11-20T06:58:26+00:00

It's risky, some girls don't like that. But honesty's the best policy, so if you were made sensitive, you have no choice but to do you

Tristan_Glosby · 2018-11-20T15:05:28+00:00

There are lots of reasons and that happens to be of them in YOUNG men if you want to talk male suicide as a whole then we can do that but you appear to be missing the point....

Barthaneous · 2018-11-20T15:03:09+00:00

Men you need Jesus Christ.

creamyfrog · 2018-11-20T19:31:57+00:00

That's the problem, being masculine. If men just stopped being masculine they wouldn't be suicidal...

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