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Come on, dude, talk to me like an equal. Cut out this condescending shit about the stone age, like that's the only time in history where society valued the protection of women.

I don't know what you're talking about with regard to being a slave. I'm just saying I don't think women should be in combat. I didn't say that you should be forced to. I also don't really know what you're saying about treating women like deserters - do you mean that they should be shot?

Despite technology, combat is extremely physical. Women aren't suited to it, and having women killed in large numbers is much more devastating to our population than men. I don't get why you want them to be cannon fodder. The only reason is if you demand that both sexes have identical roles in society. I disagree with this. My problem is just that I think the male role is a lot harder and we get totally trashed for doing it, but that doesn't mean I want women out there dying. I just don't really think I want to be a part of a society that sends its women to the front lines. We can debate that logically, but beyond that I just really can't stomach it, and that's not something I'm going to get over. It's instinctual, probably because of the biological reasons that we've always protected women.

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Men and women aren't physically equals when it comes to ability to kill other people.

Isn't this what guns and rifling are? Force equalisers?

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Agreed. That will be the first step towards closing the wage gap. That and whatever you would call the "death by industrial accident" gap.

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/pol/ does it again, I hope this eventually makes its way to CNN

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There are no women who meet standards. There have always been two sets of standards in the military, male and female. The few women who pass things like Ranger School (after both had failed and been specially reinstated) and Kara Hultgreen (who killed herself and crashed her aircraft) will still be 167% more likely to be injured, will cost more than a male in the same spot, and there will be so few of them that it will be wasteful to attempt to enlist women in jobs with a >90% fail rate.

Standards will be lowered in the US Military. There's no other way to retain women, who even with the current lower standards can't manage to stay in as long as the average man. Equality in this case - as in many others - is impossible. I understand your desire to see women share an equal load in defending their country as men, but my point is that much like taxes they never have and never will, and in my opinion Men's Rights would be much better served by delineating Men's legal rights due to their greater military and fiscal service, rather than attempt to make women act like men, which they not only don't want to do, but are physically incapable of.

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It's OP trying to stir shit up. The draft is one of the few positions where the MRM and feminists have pretty much the exact same opinions: either have both sexes register for the draft or abolish it completely. The only people who are actually opposed to having women sign up for Selective Service are conservative sexists who still think women are fragile little things that should be protected for their own good.

Women aren't going to weaken our armed forces either. Even though a draft is used to replace front line soldiers, they still have to pass the physical standards of the military. This was the main plot point of Captain America, even with the threat of Nazis, a man couldn't join the army because he was too weak. That was actually one of the only parts of the movie that was grounded in reality.

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If you had left your original comment as "fuck feminists" I wouldn't have felt the need to respond. I dislike lumping all feminists in with radicals, but I can see how someone would despise them all. "Fuck women", on the other hand is something I can never agree with. Why do you think it's ok to lump all women in as the enemy when that's EXACTLY what feminists do to all men? Using your enemy's dirty tactics does not make them clean, it makes you dirty. This isn't TRP, dude. If you want to advocate for men's rights but ignore women's rights on the grounds that they have more rights than men, fine, I don't have a problem with that, but degrading all women has no place in helping men. It pisses me off when I see our side using feminist tactics.

I'm sorry, but as far as women in the west are concerned it is a zero-sum game. Men and women are in competition for rights, and right now the women are winning.

So what's your solution? Because it sounds like you're saying we should take rights away from women. If that's the case, I have to object, on the grounds that it's a doubleplusbad idea.

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Best - No draft.
Better - Male draft
Bad - Female draft

Now before before you all downvote me into oblivion, please understand I am coming at this from a purely objective point of view.

Women suck at frontline combat. Physically weaker, more prone to injury, unable to carry equal loads, more suceptible to being used as torture hostages (and the required dangerous rescue that will involve a male-only team)...the list goes on.
A female draft would only result in non-combat jobs going to women so that men can be "freed up" to be used as cannon fodder.
Increased cost of deployment and inability to remain in the field for extended periods of time like their male counterparts.

We should have no draft. That is most important. But to draft women is just stupid and will result in more male deaths.

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the military could afford to be more picky.

The military is already very picky, when you compare with historical examples of conscription (think: the scene in The Two Towers when the king of Rohan was handing armor and spears to kids and old men to defend Helm's Deep. That's not too far off from historical example). This pickiness is a result of our modernized, mechanized, and largely automated military.

But in a situation where the draft would be enacted would be would be such an extreme situation that said pickiness would be thrown right out the window.

You can't have it both ways, you can't say men are better suited to combat roles then complain women take all the non-combat roles.

If my point of view is informed by gender politics, then no. But as I said at the top, I am speaking purely objectively. And objectivity says that, with the exception of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of female recruits, women suck at front line combat.

My reminder that a female draft would result in men losing non-combat jobs was to pay respect to the MRA position and the concept of male disposability.

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Let us assume for the sake of the argument that a draft occurs and there is actually a really good reason for it. Perhaps not good enough that civilians are volunteering to fight, but we also don't exactly volunteer to pay taxes so perhaps sometimes an obligation is required.

In war, every person should be used to the best of their abilities. People should stick to their professions, mental capabilities and physical capabilities.

In that case, I see nothing wrong with the women being the ones in the factories making the bullets and the men being the ones firing them.

For the same reason, we'd be fools to give doctors or engineers/mechanics a rifle and sending them to the front line.

A division on roles depending on physical capabilities doesn't have to be sexist, sex just happens to be a major factor.

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No thanks. That subreddit is a cesspool. This is r/mensrights, not r/beatingwomen.

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Seriously. How is mocking the idea of a gender-neutral draft supposed to help? It's a good measure. So is considering women as legitimate options for president, even if you don't support Hillary Clinton specifically. Mocking the idea of a female president helps nobody.

I'm not voting for Clinton because she voted for the Iraq War and interfered with legitimate sovereign governments in Libya and Honduras and I don't trust her not to mire us in another endless war just like Bush did 15 years ago. (I'm voting for a third party because I don't trust Trump either.) The fact that she's a woman running for president isn't a bad thing--it's fantastic, I just don't want her. It's ultimately best for the country if we can choose the best president from all of our options based on merit, not just half the population. There are smart women out there who are qualified to lead and we deserve to have the best leaders we can. If we live in a free society where women have equal rights and responsibilities as full citizens, being eligible for the presidency is one of them. So is registering for the draft and being eligible for military service in whatever capacity you're most personally suited. Nobody's advocating for quotas of women in combat positions, but if you're qualified for it then your gender should be irrelevant.

If this sub truly believes in equal rights, that's not consistent with mocking women's full participation in government and the military. It's 2016, and men should have full rights to custody of their children, support and freedom from domestic and sexual violence, and to equal treatment in criminal proceedings, and that's why I'm here. Nobody's legal rights and responsibilities should be limited by their gender. Posts like this go against the very spirit of what this sub is ostensibly about.

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So I don't really get this, Men's rights and Women's rights both want women drafted? It seems to me like we should keep women out of the draft, it forces them to recognize their privilege.

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Title	#DraftOurDaughters Parody Clinton Ads
Author	GreasedLightning
Upvotes	1081
Comments	212
Date	October 28, 2016 2:28 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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