Summer engineering program that doesn't accept white males

Aug415 · 2019-05-28T01:23:07+00:00

I live near Ubisoft’s headquarters in SF, was planning on doing a boot camp with them over the summer last year, and what do you know, it’s girls only. I don’t see why the solution to getting more girls into STEM is to just straight up discriminate against boys.

AyAyAyBamba_462 · 2019-05-27T23:54:23+00:00

Google does the same shit, my senior year of high school we were told about a thing they had for programming/computer science where not only was there an instructional course, but lots of give away, handouts, etc. We were told that the program was not available to white or Asian men. Period.

oldyellowtruck · 2019-05-27T21:29:43+00:00

Just say you’re queer and half Indian.

MadMan018 · 2019-05-27T22:49:38+00:00

Isnt this literally illegal?

KBoyBoy · 2019-05-28T01:08:46+00:00

It is so tiresome. I once applied to get a week of visitation in a nearby research company and I got instantly denied, saying they can't afford it, I put it subtly that I wasnt looking to get paid. Later I found out, they accepted a girl I knew for a ****** PAID internship. She applied the same week, sent the same standard application to dozens of companies. All because they had to meet a quota. She told me with a grinny faces that she didn't do anything and spent a whole month looking at her phone, since she said to her instructor that she wasn't interested in anything and they didn't want to fire her.

apexpred303 · 2019-05-28T00:27:56+00:00

You can sue for this

RapeMatters2 · 2019-05-27T23:48:30+00:00

If this is hosted by University of New Mexico, file a Title IX complaint.

https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/complaintintro.html

You can file it online.

DougDante · 2019-05-27T22:36:57+00:00

tweet with me to seek justice:

"Summer engineering program that doesn't accept white males" Violates Title IX. Look @EDcivilrights @BetsyDeVosED @realDonaldTrump #mensrights #genderequity https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/btr9sv/summer_engineering_program_that_doesnt_accept/

How to File a Discrimination Complaint with the Office for Civil Rights

https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/howto.html

Speak with a lawyer.

FaustoLG · 2019-05-27T21:19:46+00:00

It's OK to be White Straight Man...

Está bien ser un Hombre Blanco Heterosexual...

Sincerely un Amigo Latino.

PS: I think PoC means Piece of Crap. not color as all humans have colors...

God bless you brother.

calamityecho · 2019-05-28T00:24:16+00:00

As a Pasifika-American minority, I hate that shit like this happens ALL THE TIME to you guys. The same way minorities claim that they don’t deserve to be discriminated against because they didn’t choose their race is the exact same way that we shouldn’t crap all over straight white males for being born the way they are. I’ve seen more than enough posts attacking people like you for absolutely no reason and it’s gotten to the point where it’s so ridiculously stupid.

I want to say that reverse racism/prejudice exists and is alive and well in today’s society, but my take is this: You don’t have to be a straight white guy to be a racist. There isn’t any reverse anything. Discrimination is discrimination and it’s disgusting.

Im so fucking sorry you had to experience this. I hope you sue the pants off of those shits.

StoryAboutABridge · 2019-05-28T03:18:35+00:00

Folks, please keep in mind that this type of discrimination is fully LEGAL in Canada. We need your help.

bbcbarbarossa · 2019-05-28T06:13:32+00:00

Same. There are tones of scholarship for women that I could've gotten easily. Instead, i have to stay in debt.

hoechsten · 2019-05-28T12:39:38+00:00

My university was advertising a similar program that was exclusively for BAME (black and minorities ethnic) students. I fail to see how that isn't case in point racism.

neo45 · 2019-05-28T02:03:32+00:00

Please fill this out to file a complaint with the government. If you're willing to divulge your name, I would be more than happy to file an additional complaint on your behalf as well, as I'm sure others would.

https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/complaintintro.html

Don't let this go. Stand up against discrimination. What they're doing is unethical and immoral and must be stopped before it goes any further.

johnhawkinsbp · 2019-05-28T00:29:23+00:00

True story: A female friend of mine had a son with a Hispanic guy. Her son has good grades, but keeps putting down that he's Caucasian on forms.

At his mother's request, I had a conversation with him and explained that when he's applying for college or scholarships, he's Hispanic. Then, when he gets out of college, he can be as Caucasian as he wants to be from there on out.

So, my friend, let me just note: I think you may have MISTAKENLY put that you were caucasian on there when you are actually Hispanic. You should rectify that error and reapply.

SC2sam · 2019-05-27T23:17:12+00:00

Lawsuit

functionalsociopathy · 2019-05-28T00:06:09+00:00

If they use state funds what they're doing is illegal. It might be worth talking to a lawyer about a possible title IX lawsuit.

ShelSilverstain · 2019-05-28T02:53:52+00:00

I grew up in New Mexico, and I never got to attend summer camp for poor kids because I was white. I guess being in poverty wasn't enough

karlhungus53 · 2019-05-28T00:41:12+00:00

IT'S OKAY TO BE WHITE

ggihhpy · 2019-05-28T01:05:00+00:00

About 3 years ago I was reviewing engineer resumes for a company I worked for up until recently. We kept getting these really “oddly” qualified individuals. Like...people who claimed to be engineers but were in reality just Verizon linesmen. We also ended up with several foreign nationals which wasn’t allowed for this position.

Anyhow, after a few cycles of corporate HR passing these Non engineers to our little group I noticed that every single resume listed National Society of Black Engineers membership on their resume. In the end we did end up with a qualified individual who was also black but he would have been qualified even if he hadn’t been black.

I tell you this because one doesn’t need to be black to join NSBE and you can filter by NSBE without setting off any alarm bells.

OBstaxs · 2019-05-28T01:10:32+00:00

White privilege am I right

Severedheads · 2019-05-28T00:39:46+00:00

Please pursue legal action. Dunno about you, but I don't want to live in a world where they're refusing to recruit the best and the brightest for the most fundamental innovations we rely upon...
Remember that bridge that collapsed - you know, the one that was designed by a team of "diverse" ("minority" women) engineers? Yeah, that's our future.

Zekuro · 2019-05-27T21:30:37+00:00

Another woman-only program.

gnimsh · 2019-05-28T03:15:37+00:00

I don't know. Everyone here is saying lawsuit, but the first thing I would do when applying to a program is check the website for special requirements, not wait until after I haven't heard back to do so.

Memey-McMemeFace · 2019-05-28T07:06:27+00:00

Title IX states that: "No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance."

University of NM is a public university, you can file a Title IX here.

andybev01 · 2019-05-28T01:11:18+00:00

Could you sue the school under title 9 rules?

UberDuperDrew · 2019-05-28T01:44:47+00:00

Hello. I do not approve of this. They should have let you in.

squarebe · 2019-05-28T02:13:02+00:00

Just tell them you identify as a black female, so they can't ignore you...

SiliconeGiant · 2019-05-28T03:59:26+00:00

What in the mother shitter son of an ass is going on in this country. Reading this thread it's apparent that this is rampant.

I would love to see some examples of court cases about this and where they went, because I suspect they're being quietly dismissed, and that is a dangerous precedent to set.

Dude if you launched a summer program and you said must be from mostly anglo-saxon ancestry, you'd be on TV getting yelled at the next morning. This is fucked up seriously. I don't give a fuck if your class was traditionally oppressed. Different classes have been differently oppressed at different times. How is it up to you to decide how much certain people were oppressed?

Were all those groups oppressed the same amount? How do you quantify that? How far back in history do we want to go? How much of the world do we want to include in this assessment?

How are you quantifying the negative impact this is HAVING ON WHITES RIGHT NOW, and teaching young people like this lad, that now THEY'RE the ones under attack by society!

It's hard for me to believe that this is acceptable to intelligent lawmakers even on the left. It's literally excluding based on skin color, the very fucking thing everyone fought against for so long. This should upset everyone regardless of skin color, because as long as we allow it to happen to ANY group, you better fucking believe it can happen to YOUR group, again. And probably will quietly, as long as this goes on because this country is still 70% white, and this shit is pissing a lot of people off.

LordJiraiya · 2019-05-28T16:10:23+00:00

This is illegal and all you have to do is report them for massive fines to come their way. Slam dunk easy Title IX violation in the US

socratic_toast · 2019-05-28T04:02:20+00:00

Modern institutionalized discrimination is exclusively against white males. I apologize on behalf of everyone older than you who let this bullshit happen, we're trying to fix it.

WorbianBrownia · 2019-05-28T07:14:30+00:00

Racist, sexist trash. Sue then go to a better college with good ethics and the intelligence to know the difference between putting an end to discrimination and just changing discrimination.

PicklesAreMyFriends · 2019-05-28T08:49:59+00:00

Think of all the upcoming teslas, einsteins etc who aren't getting the chance to really benefit humanity, just because of their gender and skin colour. Madness.

memer935115 · 2019-05-28T09:04:23+00:00

They hate us.

Electroverted · 2019-05-28T17:52:20+00:00

They do this until they get caught because there's no punishment besides a "Stop doing that." Fill out a Title IX, which should apply to all forms of education.

mtcapri · 2019-05-28T04:01:06+00:00

This is illegal, OP. You should report the school to the DoE and probably consult a lawyer about suing them.

MiffTheFox · 2019-05-28T05:14:39+00:00

I only ever put "I refuse to self identify" for my gender anymore.

Pastill · 2019-05-28T07:58:02+00:00

Wait till you start working in STEM, every position provided by a government organ or some virtue signaling company have "we encourage women and minorities to apply", which surprise, surprise, you'll never get a callback for these jobs. And when you are well established in the private industry, your company send tender for government contracts. You get them, and you see in the contract that they demand that 25-40% of the engineering work is done by a female engineer when your company already struggle to hire enough qualified engineers at all, requiring them to be women too would be close to impossible.

ValDuke · 2019-05-28T13:23:23+00:00

You have a discrimination lawsuit on your hands as this is strictly illegal to do and even state as qualifiers. Again, get an attorney, you have a winner of a lawsuit on your hands

Schadrach · 2019-05-28T13:33:46+00:00

If that program receives federal funding, it's time for a title ix complaint.

Lion_amongst_gods · 2019-05-28T13:35:25+00:00

populations that are historically underrepresented

Do they have a similar policy for prisons, hazardous labour and diseases?

BudnamedSpud · 2019-05-28T14:12:32+00:00

What happened to outlawing discrimination? Like sheesh. At least in my state, Michigan, its illegal to do this and a school denying you for being white could cost them a very hefty lawsuit

fagaaron · 2019-05-28T01:40:09+00:00

Milk your bisexuality for such programs.

ChristopherBurr · 2019-05-28T02:18:45+00:00

Say you are African American, since all people origiionated from Africa.

tim99uk · 2019-05-28T01:25:21+00:00

Just self identify as a black woman for the duration of the application :)

Use SJW bullshit against them!

SpellBlue · 2019-05-28T00:57:30+00:00

This is racism, theoretically u should report.

Jacilund · 2019-05-28T01:28:21+00:00

Imagine it being reversed

ZimbaZumba · 2019-05-28T02:50:39+00:00

You should apply and request admission. My bet they will accept you. Applying and being turned down also allows you to claim harm. Put effort into your application. Being from a lower socio-economic class will aid your case.

LoveEsq · 2019-05-28T02:52:41+00:00

I assume they are referring to studies like this you may want to note the wrinkles in the studies including that males do not dominate all stem fields.

You may be able to make a case if you are low income or potentially may redefine the underserved population to be something other than race or sex... Like being the child of an incarcerated parent.

BasedGodfrey · 2019-05-28T03:18:19+00:00

His voice was even and low,

His eyes were level and straight.

There was neither sign nor show

When the man began to hate.

james1844 · 2019-05-28T03:32:43+00:00

Thats got to be a violation of Federal law, I'd sue.

neu-kid-here · 2019-05-28T04:17:57+00:00

The kind of s*** that pisses me off... The white race and white males are being hoodwinked by Flamin f****** liberals...

And the crazy thing is they got young people brainwashed to think they are being magnanimous by putting down their own race. What a brainwashed job... akin to televangelism!

What a hoax!

Nergaal · 2019-05-28T04:39:06+00:00

Just say you are native american, or that you identify as a woman.

thrownearaway · 2019-05-28T04:53:50+00:00

Post this on /r/legaladvice to see what they tell u...

Sonkorino · 2019-05-28T05:03:08+00:00

If something like this turns out to be full of degeneracy I wouldn't try afterwards but saying that you're gay would probably be the ticket to get in.

Though there's a chance that it gets spread and everyone will think you're actually gay.

1LegendaryWombat · 2019-05-28T05:10:40+00:00

Its worded so badly and inefficiently, it would be way easier and faster for them so just say no Caucasian males, which is what they are saying, just longer.

But its ridiculous, if people want to be engineers, encourage them, man or woman, black or white, gay or straight.

teerev · 2019-05-28T05:27:10+00:00

I would follow up with ESS staff via email, http://www.unm.edu/~ess/ess_staff.html, and just ask if they offer programs for high school students in STEM.

And if they email you back saying yes, specifically to underrepresented cultures, send them an email stating what if you are not from those and still express interest in doing summer programs similar to that?

I'd be interested to see how they respond.

firriki · 2019-05-28T06:09:38+00:00

National Hiring Experiments Reveal 2:1 Faculty Preference for Women on STEM Tenure Track

https://youtu.be/5f6rQfpd68o

markus_brutus · 2019-05-28T06:28:31+00:00

They are just shooting their selves in the foot. The next generation will have thick skinned white men that secretly hate "minorities" and completely useless "minorities" in positions of power.

That will go well.

AspiringGuru · 2019-05-28T07:26:38+00:00

reapply nominating your gender as XXXXX

RacinRandy83x · 2019-05-28T08:27:18+00:00

In their statement they post pretty clearly what it is exactly but googling unm summer programs it doesn’t advertise the unite program very clearly so I get why you applied.

Is it wrong is the question. I would say that they could’ve gotten around this if they did a men’s session and a women’s session and made sure to but seeing as their no other options for you at that specific public university beyond environmental science to makes it wrong for them to exclude you.

Taguroizumo · 2019-05-28T08:42:14+00:00

Just say you identify as insert some nonsense and that they can not refuse you.

saucenazi · 2019-05-28T08:46:54+00:00

I hate this for you. But unfortunately gonna share with my minority friends. Maybe they'll have a chance.

ShadowEagle59 · 2019-05-28T08:55:49+00:00

I'm looking for scholarships for my next semester and it's all like that too.

DilloandZachritz · 2019-05-28T10:19:48+00:00

I am your age and entering my junior year as well. As a minority, a Pakistani muslim, I am really fucking pissed. I absolutely hate that we should start hating white males and only accept women and minorities. I don’t want to be pushed ahead of anybody as an effort to stop racism, that in itself is racist.

v3r1 · 2019-05-28T10:26:22+00:00

This shit is real and is systematic. It's already part of the fabric of society. You are less than the rest, we all are.

batfish55 · 2019-05-28T10:59:19+00:00

Welcome to affirmative action! At least, that's what they called it in the 90s. Today, I think the official catch-phrase is, "White male? Fuck you."

Phantom099 · 2019-05-28T12:12:19+00:00

It took me a while to find a program in Philadelphia. I am Male & I indian

SeeYouOn16 · 2019-05-28T12:50:16+00:00

Welcome to the modern world bud. Just remember this later on when you get to where you want to be and people claim you had it handed to you. Keep your head up and don't give up on your interests in engineering.

Hot4M · 2019-05-28T13:01:11+00:00

Straight up discrimination. How does this not go against the civil rights act?

JaceLightning · 2019-05-28T13:07:34+00:00

Same thing happened to me.

BlueOrange22 · 2019-05-28T13:16:02+00:00

"populations that are historically underrepresented and underserved in Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics (STEM) careers"

This is completely unjust and senseless because you don't somehow benefit from men being over represented in stem 25 years ago. You're in high school now, you need to get your education now. It makes no sense to restrict your opportunities because of what happened to completely unrelated people in the past.

It's especially unjust considering that in the US, boys are behind in nearly every category in education. Boys are significantly less likely to graduate high school and attend university, so restriction scholarships and internships for being male is indefensible.

This is yet another example of why no, feminism is not enough to address male issues and that we need a mens movement like the MRM.

CounterfeitMemes · 2019-05-28T13:26:32+00:00

Is this not illegal in the States? In Canada, we have legal recourse through our Human Rights Tribunals for things like this.

Opinion12345 · 2019-05-28T13:27:30+00:00

It's official folks!

What your parents taught you was a lie!

Two wrongs DO IN FACT make a right. The only way to combat racism is with racism.

Deathbringer96 · 2019-05-28T01:01:12+00:00

Tell em you're jewish

ExcellentSauce · 2019-05-28T02:38:02+00:00

Every application I fill out to anything says I’m either Hispanic or black.

Because who the fuck cares? They also can’t tell you that you aren’t black or Hispanic.

yadoya · 2019-05-28T02:42:07+00:00

Play their game. Identify as a 5-year-old black girl and call them racist or transphobic if they question you.

ThePigmanAgain · 2019-05-27T22:23:33+00:00

They have to engineer summer now? Truly, it has become clown world!

PizzaSword19 · 2019-05-28T02:20:02+00:00

god that stuff pisses me off so bad

chambertlo · 2019-05-28T02:25:04+00:00

Get a lawyer and sue. That’s the only way that these people will learn.

LordHansTopo · 2019-05-28T02:54:23+00:00

Most of this problems seem to happen mostly in the US. I dont have much experience but at least in Europe or in Spain, this doesnt happen or never heard of it before. Got hired for my very first job and i doubt that being white, black or indian would had affect it by any chance. But its scary to think that all this could change in the future. Equality doesnt care about race, gender or religion and should be encouraged to our governments

DarkReaver1337 · 2019-05-28T03:11:56+00:00

Civil rights violation. Either apply and get rejected and bring the case or speak with/call/send an email to a lawyer asking for some help with.

adks_guardian · 2019-05-27T21:20:47+00:00

thats hecc up

MadTrini · 2019-05-28T04:41:05+00:00

Say you are Hispanic

mYl1ttl3PWNY · 2019-05-28T05:44:27+00:00

I understand how you feel. I was taking a test for a security job about ten years ago and minorites and women got extra points awarded to them because they scored lower. Talk about being fair. I didn't accept the job offer after that.

CJPsalm139 · 2019-05-28T06:06:27+00:00

that's both racist AND sexist.

randonumero · 2019-05-28T11:55:27+00:00

Are you sure it says they only accept minorities? Or does it say that preference will be given to minority applicants and applicants from group traditionally underrepresented in STEM fields? There's a huge difference.

Having worked with similar programs I'll let you in on a few things: 1. Programs designed for kids who are from underrepresented groups often cover basics. So if say you've been programming since you were 10, currently take all the CS classes your school offers, do python in your spare time...you won't get in because you likely won't get anything out of it 2. People who run those programs often have connections to other similar programs. If you feel like you didn't get in for being white, write to them and ask if they can recommend other programs. If you are a star overachiever, also ask if you can volunteer. 3. There is often a waiting list, especially if the program is free. If you are really interested in the program, ask to be put on the waiting list and explain how you think you can benefit from being in the program and what you can offer in the program. For example, maybe you haven't really had much exposure to engineering or come from an underprivileged background.

It's a big ask, but maybe consider posting your essay. The fact that you're surprised you didn't get in shows a level of hubris that may or may not even be justified. I know it sucks to not get into a program, especially if there aren't many. If you're interested in a particular branch of engineering post it here and maybe someone can recommend resources or things you can do over the summer. I'll add one more thing...if you have a car or your parents will help, go to the university's engineering department and ask around if anyone needs help in their lab over the summer. I once worked for a school for the gifted and many of the kids who won prizes, got into the best schools...did so because they happened to be working in the lab of someone doing a really cool project and were allowed to participate.

robert-5252 · 2019-05-28T00:58:11+00:00

Why are you playing the victim card?

Moraes_lobo · 2019-05-27T23:02:57+00:00

How do you know you were not accepted because of being a white male? Did you see the class that was accepted? And you have a much greater leg up by being a white male than the people in these underserved, you shouldn’t be that upset. Did you apply to anywhere else?

mattgcreek · 2019-05-28T02:20:58+00:00

Good engineers would have done discovery and figures out all that out before applying. For instance, Texas A&M engineering pretty much fills up a the early application period. Why? Because engineers have their shit together by the early application period. Chalk up the BS program you didn’t get into as a learning experience and you will be better for it

Summer engineering program that doesn't accept white males

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