At what point does sexualization become objectifying and dehumanizing?

My_House_on_Mars · 2025-05-10T01:15:35+00:00

Nobody can police thoughts so it's fine to have as many sexual fantasies as you want

The problem is when you don't care about the sexualized person.

example A: you are walking with your partner, you are both in a good mood, and you make them a sexual remark. In this case you know your partner is ok with being sexualized.

example B: you are walking with your partner, they are trying to explain something about work. You make a sexual remark. In this case them getting angry is completely understandable because you are kind of implying "I'm not listening to you, I just want sex"

Life-Income2986 · 2025-05-10T00:55:15+00:00

You can turn sexualising women on and off with even the slightest bit of practice. Unless you're saying that if you were a surgeon you couldn't operate on a pretty woman without getting hooked up to a dialysis machine to keep the blood moving to the brain as you operate with a giant boner.

You are choosing to be a fucking creep the entire time. Take responsibility. If you're a fucking creep that thinks and behaves like a fucking creep, you've earned being treated like a creep. If you're sexualising people who aren't down for that, you're being a fucking creep.

Outside_Memory5703 · 2025-05-10T02:01:21+00:00

When I don’t like it

Hoopy223 · 2025-05-10T01:55:44+00:00

It’s all perception. In the past there were cultures that thought big noses and beards were “over sexualized.”

KayRay1994 · 2025-05-10T02:01:02+00:00

I think the line usually is contextual and where it’s welcomed. For example, sexualization in a setting where the attention is clear that it’s welcomed is totally fine, but when it isn’t it becomes objectifying and wrong. Also, if a person is reduced to only their sex appeal, it becomes objectifying and wrong.

I’ll give a relatively easy to understand example - let’s look at a sex worker online. If she posts a video or photo that’s made for obvious sex appeal, sexualize away. If she posts a video that’s made for humor, taking about something and so on and she is wearing something sexy - then sexualizing becomes objectifying here because you are reducing her to being for sexualization only.

SuperSpartan13 · 2025-05-10T15:37:46+00:00

To a woman? its very case dependant. you have very conservative women who don't approve of even jokes. then you have only fans models who sells nudes online. But if you're not paying them, they will be angry.

SprayAffectionate321 · 2025-05-10T01:21:59+00:00

Technically, sexualization turns into objectification in the exact way you describe. The person is stripped of its humanity and is seen as a thing for someone else'sgratification.

Practically, any form of sexualization of women can be perceived as objectification because many people believe that any form of sex that doesn't happen in the context of a relationship is degrading to women. That's why casual sex is described as women being used or women showing themselves in a sexual light are often accused of lacking self-respect.

It's hard for me to establish at which point I'm getting objectified because objectification is largely a perspective and not a specific action. A man who sees me as a person can still be crass in the way he asks me for sex. A man who wants to be my boyfriend can still see me as a trophy and think that my only job in the relationship is to "give" him sex. In other words, I might still feel objectified by a man that isn't objectifying me if i don't like his actions. I might also not realize I'm objectified until I have more information about the man.

SnooCats37 · 2025-05-10T01:12:50+00:00

Objectifying women is seeing them as nothing more than a sexual object or viewing them as sexual objects before you see them as a person. Women don’t exist for a man’s sexual pleasure. You can identify when a thought comes into your head is inappropriate and you can stop the thought rather than turning it into a fantasy in your head. What you are doing is creepy and women should be able to go about their day to day lives without some random man they don’t know fantasising about having sex with them

MongoBobalossus · 2025-05-10T01:14:12+00:00

When there’s no consent.

Women are totally fine with being sexually objectified so long it’s by a man theyre attracted to.

RareBasis9710 · 2025-05-10T01:24:21+00:00

I learned with just having long hair and wearing skirts or dresses that men behaved differently around me. The more feminine I looked (not in a revealing way) the more men become more aggressive. Some would make inappropriate comments. I would say right then and there they are being objectifying.

ndngroomer · 2025-05-10T01:44:50+00:00

I used to struggle with this a lot. There was once a time in my life where I’d see a woman, especially if she was dressed a certain way, and immediately start having sexual thoughts, and for a long time I didn’t question it.

It just felt automatic, like part of being a guy. But as I grew, I realized that the issue isn’t attraction. It’s what I do with those thoughts and whether I still see the person beyond them. I’m lucky to be married to a woman who shares incredible intimacy with me, but even that doesn’t excuse the way I used to internalize objectifying habits.

I had to unlearn a lot, and it’s something I continue to reflect on. This post hit hard, because it’s something we need to talk about more...with honesty and without shame.

waffleznstuff30 · 2025-05-10T02:54:31+00:00

This is where consent comes in.

The answer is consent.

A stranger you just started talking to doesn't want to hear about how perky her breasts are. Or asked if she does anal. She is just getting to know you. Probably doesn't consent to getting sexual.

Someone you are seeing for awhile. May want to hear how turned on she is making you while you guys are making out and she's grinding on your crotch. Like.... That's fine. Y'all are getting sexual.

Objectifying is just seeing the person as just sex object. Her feelings her thoughts are irrelevant. You just want sex and will try to do so by any means necessary. Regardless about how she feels or who she is a person.

Quealpedoestoy · 2025-05-10T07:03:08+00:00

When she doesnt get what she wants from self sexualizing

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xxTheMagicBulleT · 2025-05-10T11:07:59+00:00

Easy when its unwanted.

But the problem at the same time is many people wanna sexualize them selfs at every way but hate when people treating them like they act.

So you cant say I sexualize my self at every turn. And surprised that people treat you the same.

Like with everything if you go out of your way to seek attention you get both good attention and bad attention in equal amounts. That's comes with the active act of seeking attention on a big scale.

What often makes you always will have both exist at the same time.

Same way if you push a political view for example you will have people agreeing with you or hating on you. Putting yea self out there and sexualize yea self is the same you have people that will see you as person but also people that will see you as a sexual object often cause you treat yea self as such.

There plenty of almost nude women shaking there ass. And cause they treat them self as a object so do others. You gotta show your personality show who you are as a person for people to be able to care about it. If you only shake you ass and thats all people see thats all they care about.

And thats often the problem people make a choice to get attention what is quick and easy. But dont like how people get seen cause they do the quick and easy way by using there looks.

So sure if its unwanted people should not do it. But often the women and people dont realy help there case at all. When the hyper sexual side is all you show in many cases. Is it really that weird that people start seeing you in that light.

People often like to complain about things but the world often reflects the way you choose to act and interact with the world. You act like a porn star people will see and treat you like one. And your more likely to pull the more thirsty and porn looking or creepy people.

The experience you have in life has a ton to do with the choices you make. That's a simple fact. Want modest outcomes be more modest.

wtknight · 2025-05-10T13:22:00+00:00

I think that if it doesn't enter a man's mind to get to know a woman as a person when he is enjoying looking at her, it's objectifying.

On the other hand, women shouldn't be complaining about men enjoying how they look if those men are making it clear that they are interested in her personality along with her looks. Most women who are attracted to men enjoying looking at them too, after all.

RecognitionSoft9973 · 2025-05-10T22:24:12+00:00

I could even look at a random woman from a distance and imagine having sex with her

That's more an issue with you and your mentality than the women and their clothes (or lack thereof) tbh. Also a hallmark of puritanical values. If a lot of us had grown up seeing unsexualized naked bodies of all shapes and sizes we wouldn't be having these thoughts so much.

To some extent, yes, they may be sexualizing themselves. I've seen women in public with what I assume to be faux nipple bras under their shirts. Equal parts funny and I guess, rebellious. How dare she reveal her nips to the public?

What does sexual objectification mean to you and at what point does a sexual desire become objectifying?

It's inherently objectifying and can be a good thing or a bad thing. As long as it doesn't become dehumanizing. But that's an easy line to cross.

Temporary-Craft-7224 · 2025-05-12T04:15:42+00:00

I’m not gonna assume you’re a porn watcher or anything of that nature but it plays a huge part in the over sexualisation or objectification of women.

Porn tends to make men see women as a sexual object only and porn tends to make women see themselves as sex objects only. This is usually associated with chronic/addictive use of porn.

I don’t care what anybody says. Everyone has sexual fantasies about random people they see. Whether this is just an attraction to them or on a highly sexual level. This might present differently in individuals or even between women and men.The question is more:

Is it sexualisation if you wonder how good every girl you see sucks dick or does anal or whatever else… before you even know who she is? I would argue, yes!

I would also argue that how good she sucks dick at all could be completely irrelevant until a sexual relationship is even entered into and you want to please each other. Each other… being the operate words there.

The what I like, what I like, what I like mentally is classed as sexualisation too if you only care how she/he can cater to your needs sexually.

Acrobatic-Writer7734 · 2025-05-14T20:39:13+00:00

This is a hot topic for me because I can come on a bit strong myself compared to others, I see many women start to tense up near me at times so I pull back and leave them be. It's not hard to judge if she or he is into you or not.

I try hard to express confidence in all a person is. Not just their body, buy how they think, what makes them unique as a person. Holistic.

Because as a man I should not like to be viewed for just one part of me.

I think the pressure comes from women only often ever seeing positive comments about the rest of them in purely sexual advancing contexts.

"you don't mean that, you're just horny."

We can be both. We can express a healthy sexual desire for you while also not sweating at the mouth.

We may want you, doesn't mean that's the be all and end all of our existence and thought patters. It's just prominent and you pick up on that the most becuase you are the most sensitive to it.

Women have a creep radar. It's sad but in some ways also necessary for survival. Just know you have it and calm that voice for a few minutes before you run. Women today being hit on are not necessarily in danger by defualt.

lost_but_here · 2025-05-15T07:34:10+00:00

Well keeping thoughts and actions separate is important but also just looking at women as a person first, not as feminine thing to fuck, is ideal. I would draw a line between looking at an attractive person and saying damn, nice, then moving along vs staring at a person and imagining all the things you’d want to do to them.

It takes active effort to not do this if you’re used to looking at people like that. I want to say as long as it’s just imagination not actions it’s fine, but dude, how do you not feel creepy?

MyLastBestChance · 2025-05-10T01:45:13+00:00

Dehumanization is seeing a woman a a group of parts that you see in terms of how those parts make you feel.

Appreciating a woman’s sexuality is about embracing the entire woman (including the non physical parts) and exploring how you can come together to make each other feel.

Siukslinis_acc · 2025-05-10T17:22:00+00:00

When you don't see the human behind the sexual stuff. When you only see the sexual stuff. When there is noting about them beyond sex. When you get angry/frustrated if they do something that is not sexualised or has nothing to do with sex.

NervousAd7977 · 2025-05-10T20:15:26+00:00

Having these thoughts is normal & fine as long as you keep it to yourself, and don’t let it effect the way you treat others.

midnight_blue77 · 2025-05-11T05:13:49+00:00

Easy.

When it encroaches unto one's agency, threatening to overlook it, deny it, dismiss it, or ignore it.

Women are not innocent as if they're dressing scandalously sexy by accident. They know what they're doing with those yoga pants and mini skirts. The problem is that women don't understand that dressing sexy just to attract one man is going to attract every man within a very wide blast radius. Yes it's going to get the attention of the one guy in the room she's trying to get to notice her. Side effect: It's also going to attract everyone else. Women are very pigheaded when it comes to understanding how men work. They just flat out refuse to believe that we are visual creatures and have thoughts and attractions of our own.

Sharp_Engineering379 · 2025-05-10T01:31:06+00:00

So long as they remain thoughts who would ever know? But photographing, following, leering, and otherwise making people uncomfortable when you have access to all the worlds porn on the phone in your hand is antisocial behavior, and there are far too many cameras in other hands to assume it goes unchecked.

Frequent-Avocado4532 · 2025-05-10T19:58:19+00:00

Controversial opinion, but I believe any amount of sexualization is objectifying and dehumanizing without enthusiastic consent, even in the mind. I'm guilty of it myself; it's difficult, at times, to ignore our animalistic sexual desires. The whole of human civilization is built around shedding our animal furs, though. I try not to ever look at women and their bodies in a non-platonic way. If one is in a consenting sexual relationship, then it's a different story.

ConsistentPieGuy · 2025-05-10T04:33:45+00:00

At what point does sexualization become objectifying and dehumanizing?

From the very beginning, which is if the woman isn't physically attracted to the man.

Independent-Mail-227 · 2025-05-10T16:19:49+00:00

In the moment she don't get any advantage from it.

Title	At what point does sexualization become objectifying and dehumanizing?
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