Just because older men are doing better than younger men , it doesn't mean it's not a problem to struggle in your youth

stochasticprocess123 · 2023-09-30T11:43:50+00:00

But does it really get better? Women keep saying how there must be something wrong with an inexperienced guy and that they won't take any chances, or that they don't want to have to "teach" an inexperienced guy. Maybe as the guys get older, we will see those same statistics moving to older age groups.

AntiHypergamist · 2023-09-30T11:47:49+00:00

31 yo here, It doesn't get better with age. It's just the older generations before social media had an easier time getting women, that ship has sailed.

Administrative-Lie85 · 2023-09-30T14:19:44+00:00

I am 30. Just as invisible to women now as I was when I was 20.

MarauderSlayer44 · 2023-09-30T17:25:36+00:00

People just have lost the plot when it comes to human beings and how our sense of self develops. We all think everyone should be able to be the same, or be as expected, with absolutely zero wiggle room for developmental differences. Isolated all through your youth? You should be able to be as outgoing, be able to assume the good in people, and actually desire to go out and be social just as easily as the other kid who had a wonderfully inclusive and developmental childhood and teenage years. That’s just one example, but the main idea behind it “I don’t care how you grew up or what you’ve been through, you have to be and be able to be exactly how I/we want you” is growing more and more prominent. And honestly, I think it shows through the fact that suicide is literally down-trending the aggregate life expectancy in developed countries. It’s easy to kill your self when your sense of self doesn’t feel like it’s yours, and even easier when it’s thrown in your face that it’s not even supposed to be yours, and it will keep being used as a carrot and stick to make you behave as desired.

SuccessfulLibrary996 · 2023-09-30T11:14:53+00:00

A lot of them are misogynistic probably because of the rejection they faced in their youth. It also explains why they don't want to settle down while women their age do want to settle down.

A lot of assumptions here. You're implying it's somehow misogynistic to not want what (certain) women want, when they want it. You also haven't specified what are "normal" and "weird" ideas to have about dating.

Valuable-Marzipan761 · 2023-09-30T15:38:25+00:00

I don't think ot's a safe assumption that men in their 20's will be 8n the same situation as men in their 30's after waiting ten years. More likely a generational difference that will persist. The data is pretty clear that women don't f8nd men much older than themselves to be attractive.

harmonica2 · 2023-09-30T13:57:40+00:00

Dating got a lot better for me after 30 but I practiced game a lot from reading the mystery method, and I hit the gym a lot overtime.

But if it got better for me over 30, would I be an outlier there? But I do agree it would have been better if I had more access in my 20s ideally an it was a struggle.

retal1ator · 2023-09-30T13:13:29+00:00

It doesn’t get better with age for you if you don’t develop yourself as a man. Men who are driven and confident will have success also before 24, some just require more time to shine.

purplish_possum · 2023-09-30T14:29:05+00:00

It also explains why they don't want to settle down while women their age do want to settle down.

LOL! This is so not true!

Romantically unsuccessful men catch feelings for pretty much any woman who shows them any attention. They'll get married in a heartbeat if the chance arises.
Older women want upgrades not consolation prizes. They may talk about wanting to settle down but, unless they're a hardcore gold digger, they're not about to marry an unattractive clueless guy.

WanabeInflatable · 2023-09-30T16:14:21+00:00

It doesn't automatically get better with age. Just men typically tend to achieve some status and income - which makes their chances better.

If men just age and are still poor - their chances probably get even lower.

Also I don't think that older men that don't want to settle, when women suddenly want marriage is a problem. Cost benefit of settling, marrying, having kids is still very questionable. Men who faced some rejection learned valuable lessons about how women treat men - and thus unlikely to make mistakes when they mature and become financially stable.

Nate_Reborn · 2023-09-30T17:29:47+00:00

It’s not just 18-24 btw. Millennials are struggling just as bad. Almost half of men overall simply aren’t engaging with enough women to make something happen. There’s been a tidal shift towards an increase in risk aversion.

To your point in the second half, I do agree with actually. However, I do think there needs to be more of an overall push for male circles where these issues can be shared, instead of bottling it up until it becomes hatred towards people who did you no wrong.

houstongradengineer · 2023-09-30T13:08:30+00:00

Just because younger women are doing better than older women doesn't mean it's not a problem to struggle in your old age.

See how that works? Yeah, yeah, everyone has problems. Even today, our whole society has extended adolescence. It's hard. That doesn't mean you get to overgeneralize and trash women online without being called out. We all have problems, part of life, some reactions are uncalled for.

monicalewsn · 2023-09-30T13:08:11+00:00

Older men have progressed more in their lives then the younger guys they have jobs and stuff and stability younger guys don’t.🤷🏼‍♀️

Ylduts · 2023-09-30T10:03:18+00:00

It’s honestly very simple, men and women value different variables when it comes to relationships. The variables women are attracted to tend to be found in older men. I have found that it’s best to make decisions and or give advice based on the now, and not make decisions based on how things should be.

Neat-Skill-3452 · 2023-09-30T11:37:29+00:00

I think you have no idea of what the blackpillers really talk about... but it's ok, you wanted to have your little thread.

Friedrich_Friedson · 2023-09-30T12:07:32+00:00

"it's only 18-24 yo men who struggle, most of them get relationships as they age" .

First of all, it seems like TBPillers ignore that this mindset proves what TRP has been saying for ages: that men peak later in life.

Both of these are bull. Most men don't struggle more at their Early 20s than later(in fact many times the opposite). Just there are a few late bloomers (men and women) who because they are, well,late bloomers,peak later due to timing.

It also explains why they don't want to settle down while women their age do want to settle down

Thats makes 0 sense, people don't settle down for various reasons, and it ain't misogynist not too settle down lmao

januaryphilosopher · 2023-09-30T08:59:16+00:00

I think you're getting the direction of causality wrong. Having weird ideas about women and dating in the first place isn't conducive to getting a date. These ideas tend to start young and sabotage people in dating as they're put off from trying or try in bizarre off-putting ways.

RonMexico432 · 2023-09-30T15:16:33+00:00

Maybe if you put effort into being what women want instead of crying about it on the internet.

meteorness123 · 2023-09-30T15:21:27+00:00

Your formative years are much earlier than that.

Misognyistic attitudes (or negative attitudes for that matter) have nothing to do with facing rejection and everything to do with the early relationship between the infant and the mother.

As always people in the manosphere are neurodivergent and incorrectly misidentifying cause and effect.

figuringLifeIsGood · 2023-09-30T15:22:14+00:00

they need to adapt

OkLingonberryx · 2023-09-30T11:45:43+00:00

It mostly gets better because men finally understand their league. They should date in their league sooner. That way, there won't be any 22-year old incels.

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Spiritual-Agent7641 · 2023-09-30T22:38:52+00:00

Well your brain is still forming and developing until you're in your late twenties, so I think there's something to be said for this. That kind of loneliness probably does significantly impact young men emotionally and mentally.

The issue is, what can be done about it? Men need companionship and connection just as much as women do but I think they're often not as well-equipped to be able to seek that out as we are from a biological perspective. It also doesn't help when men's issues are often overlooked in society. There's a reason why male suicide rates are so high, and we should all be concerned about it. Apart from just being terrible for men as people, it does actually also negatively impact us as women when this is the case.

It's in all of our best interest really to figure out how to solve it - I just think that Red Pill goes way too far and unfairly places all of the blame on women for the issue and it's just as silly and unproductive as the absolute denial by the Blue.

Legitimate-Ad4538 · 2023-10-01T02:15:06+00:00

Omg all there people who say “you need to work on yourself” need to STFU! It’s such nonsense. Are women told to work on themselves? Clearly no. The issue isn’t with the fact that you aren’t put together as there are plenty of women are work as cashiers and still get attention from men.

HighestTierMaslow · 2023-10-01T17:27:49+00:00

Older men always having an easier time is false. It depends on the man. Despite what society says, men objectively don't look better as they get older (went to my 15year HS reunion recently and very very few men looked better than when they were 18 to 20) Also not every man becomes more financially stable and mature in general as they age. Some also become too bitter and jaded

Sabrepill · 2023-10-01T17:41:16+00:00

Men don’t automatically get better with age. You have to earn it. The men who didn’t build themselves up are going to suck later in life as well.

The men who built themselves into something often thrive in their 30s and 40s with women

Title	Just because older men are doing better than younger men , it doesn't mean it's not a problem to struggle in your youth
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Date	September 30, 2023 8:57 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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