Quick question do red pillers actually believe that hot women in 30s with kids can't get hvm to wife them up and even play step daddy?

NotUsedUsernameYet · 2025-05-10T00:24:54+00:00

Women in their 30s with kids absolutely can date successful good looking men, and these men do propose to them. I saw it with my own eyes in my social group many time.

Clutterboxx · 2025-05-10T11:10:12+00:00

Most women will have guys lining up to fuck her even if she had 100 children, few of those men are willing to be a step dad which is what she wants. We believe this because we see this happening in real life.

autistic_midwit · 2025-05-10T00:21:33+00:00

Correct if a women is hot then nothing else about her will matter she will always have a lot of options at any age.

The wall only applies to average and below average looking women.

UnoDosTres7 · 2025-05-10T11:28:10+00:00

From my experience It can happen but is rare. From the network I’m in every single multi millionaire I’ve seen personally date single moms was completely oblivious to red pill I mean not even a clue. I know 20ish and only a couple have dated single moms (2 maybe 3). And each time was the same scenario. It was a Man that never had money or women, he then gets rich, and doesn’t understand the game, then falls victim to single moms because he doesn’t know any better and thinks he’s doing the noble thing. High value doesn’t automatically=RP aware so yes it can happen but isn’t the norm. Because why would it be when they can get the same thing without the extra strings? If you do see a HV man w/ a single mom 99.9% chance he’s never heard of redpill. Another scenario would be plating single moms w/ no intent on long term dating which women love to confuse the two.

Like u said a hot single mom will have no problem getting dates, but only for fun, when she wants a LTR she’ll have to settle. If she does have HV options they won’t be guys around her age they’ll be about 20-30 years older than her. Does it happen yes but 98% of the time the HV man isn’t even looking in a single mom’s direction for a LTR for some fun sure LTR no. HUGE difference on men trying to take u out for fun and taking you out bc they see LTR potential and again most women confuse the two miserably like it seems you’ve done.

So in summary you’re incorrect. No a hot single mom will not have many HV options for long term relationships she will have plenty options for fun tho. Why? Bc no HV man w/ options in his right mind wants to put all the time energy & resources into another man’s genes+ all the other “potholes” that come with it. It’s just not worth it.

Ladies please please make men wear protection the last thing you want to be is a single mom. Only breed w men you see a real future with aka marrying.

RareBasis9710 · 2025-05-10T00:30:29+00:00

From a female RP perspective:

To begin with the idea that what people have coined HVM is usually just a passing thought in women's heads. When a woman meets a guy she has chemistry with and has decent qualities, he becomes her HVM.

I have never known any of my single mother friends to not have men in their lives. 30 is pretty young, unless you are a guy that's around 30 or younger, then that age is just the norm for you. I've seen a number of factors that lead men to single women with kids.

Although I was not a single woman there are always men that like to come to the rescue of women in need, perhaps because there's gratitude and thankfulness and rewards involved.

I've also personally seen lonely men who have gravitated to single mothers because it gives them an instant family after having lost some of their own family members.

I think some of it is also being attracted to a woman they know is already fertile.

onlyaseeker · 2025-05-10T08:43:00+00:00

Define "great options" and 'HVM."

Real life will tell you. Find who you think meets your definition and review their relationship history.

Men in high demand will get to pick who they want. If it is a single mother in her 30s, hot or not, you can be damn sure they're picking her for a good reason.

You may find these helpful in understanding:

DiligentRope · 2025-05-10T04:45:44+00:00

do red pillers actually believe that HOT women in 30s with kids can't get hvm to wife them up and even play step daddy?

You slipped the "hot" in there and think we wouldn't notice, naughty girl.

A HOT 9/10 woman is always gonna have good options. But are most single moms in their 30s "hot"? Single moms who are mid also have options, but maybe not as many quality options as the hot single moms in their area.

But the reality is that most single moms hide the fact that they have a kid, until they are well into the relationship. So it complicates things a lot.

Ask a HVM on paper what he desires, do you think he'd pick the single mom?

OmoshiroiKudamono · 2025-05-10T00:14:45+00:00

They "can." They can find a goofy dingus HVM. Or they can be a part of a harem.

I define an "HVM" as...

Making $100K a year consecutively for 3-5 years. Anyone can have a good year. If he lives in high cost of living areas like NY, LA, Dallas, etc, the $100K becomes $300k-500k or more.
The job is "resume" level. I should EASILY know what he does. "Entrepreneur" is too broad. "Senior Programmer at Microsoft" is specific.
He has a network of other HVMs.
Rappers, athletes, celebrities, etc, don't count. Those are a different class of people.

The REAL thing is the PROBABILITY of finding a DESIRABLE man in terms of looks AND status. That is really low.

There are many "hot" women compared to HVMs. It's just simple math. Now take into account age, availability, etc. The HVM is NOT going to be your 6666 man. It's mostly going to be some sugar daddy looking man.

LoopyPro · 2025-05-10T08:57:23+00:00

Not saying it doesn't happen. Just arguing that it's more likely they prefer to wife up the woman without another man's kids if the option was there.

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IcametoMOG · 2025-05-10T12:00:50+00:00

I think they can. It’s just an odds thing. I didn’t want to write an essay on it but you most deff can get a guy to take care of your kids.

Not me personally but it happens

Toxic_LigmaMale · 2025-05-10T12:08:03+00:00

Maybe so. It’s like any other negative. It slices off a large portion of your options. But if you already had millions of options, taking chunk out of those really doesn’t make a difference. It does make a difference for the average woman though. When you’re not so hot that it overpowers all your other qualities that people would normally weigh in a relationship context, then you start taking more of a hit.

I’d also say it matters less if you’re willing to be a step mom. Because single dads are more likely to date single moms.

Schleudergang1400 · 2025-05-12T11:49:56+00:00

This cannot be answered without you defining what you mean by "hot" and "hvm".

Proper_Frosting_6693 · 2025-05-10T23:30:57+00:00

She’ll have many CASUAL options with HVM! A HVM doesn’t want to be a cuck and raise another man’s bastards in 90% of cases.

Try not to confuse options for casual sex with serious commitment. These women end up going from guy to guy to guy.

One caveat to that is she can get commitment from guys below her looks level if she’s sufficiently hot!

Plazmatron44 · 2025-05-11T18:52:27+00:00

She can still get male attention she will find it harder to get attention off of the men she's grown accustomed to getting it from. Make no mistake though there's no shortage of 40 year old career women pricing themselves out of the market with their own hypergamy because they don't want men that earn less and the men that earn more want younger women.

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