Reminder: DO NOT TALK ABOUT THE RED PILL

leodoestheopposite · 2015-03-13T10:19:24+00:00

At the risk of sounding cliche':

"The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy." "You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."*

When something similar happens to me, I might dispense a few thoughts, often using the Socratic Method, asking provocative questions instead of answering directly and NEVER NEVER NEVER mention the words The Red Pill.

TL;DR: He was not ready to be unplugged

redditguybighead · 2015-03-13T13:17:55+00:00

First rule of fight club...

Seriously, it is possible to talk red pill with friends/family/people in general. You just got to sugar coat the language you use.

For example, if talking AF/BB you cant exactly use that term in the beginning but phrase it as 'out going successful guy vs stay at home loser' or however you want to phrase it. Most men deep down know these things, I mean it's not exactly rocket science but they have been lied to by everybody their whole lives and it is a bitter pill to swallow at first.

If you MUST try help a friend or talk in general to people, water it down at first, dont give them it all at once and take your time. Let them think it over, let them see for themselves and eventually they will come around...or not. All you can do is try.

MrHoman · 2015-03-13T07:19:06+00:00

Law 38: Think as you like but Behave like others

Samukami · 2015-03-13T11:41:32+00:00

Interestingly enough, my girlfriend led me here.

her: "Do you read theredpill on reddit?" me: "No, what is it..." her: "Most if it sounds just like things you say."

So I decided to check it out in my own time, now I toke this shit every day.

GayLubeOil · 2015-03-13T05:12:08+00:00

Good. He sounds Iike a little bitch. If he can't tolerate perspectives that are hostile to his own then chances are his perspective isnt that well developed anyway. Beta bitch bubble boy wants to live in his safe little world where no one will offend him. Well here's the thing if no one challenges you and no one opposes you, you have no idea what your weaknesses are and you cant grow.

oldredder · 2015-03-13T05:00:10+00:00

Guys, we live in a world that DOES NOT want to hear about The Red Pill

Fuck 'em. People hate hearing anything that's true and I don't care.

When at work I'll restrict what I say or appear to know so I don't get fired. Anywhere else everyone else can kiss my ass.

I'll simply be ready to deal with the consequences because I'm not paid enough by these other sad fucks to pretend-play the script they follow.

He sees my success with women as wrong and what I do as manipulative and evil. He doesn't trust me and thinks he's another person I manipulate and use.

He's a beta. Betas are programmed by instinct to know without a word that it's immoral to fuck lots of women and not treat them as special. Just like alphas know by raw instinct without a word yet being learned that it's right to expect the best and take it without remorse.

forgotmyothernames · 2015-03-13T07:22:51+00:00

I cant agree with unicorns like [this] (http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhLxe1GoWykIeSS6P2) in the wild. This is the most redpill chick I think I've ever seen.

Onemanwolfpack23 · 2015-03-13T04:25:52+00:00

Sucks dude, but betas gonna beta. Best to just let them beta around.

ZeroOn · 2015-03-13T05:12:57+00:00

I can agree with this.

RP stands against everything that modern society teaches. People have been so indoctrinated that they have essentially joined a hive-mind. Your thoughts and idea's challenge this hive-mind and the only option it see's is aggressively destroying anything that goes against it.

I would say it's a good idea to mention the idea to your friend playfully, where appropriate, "test the waters" so to speak, and if you receive a negative response, then back off and not mention it.

Law of Power #9: Win through your Actions, Never through Argument

You wining may not look like it to your enemies. But it's no place for you to think for them.

Law of Power #14 - Pose as a Friend, Work as a Spy

Another important rule to live by. Friends are always useful. But you need to live your own life, just not one that you may want to necessarily share, if it means that you will lose the friend.

ddmn13 · 2015-03-13T08:13:51+00:00

Is your friend's name Cypher?

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Spiral-knight · 2015-03-13T05:22:17+00:00

After reading this sub for a while this advice has proven difficult to follow at times. TRP does not need defending, least of all by me but whenever I see the term tossed out by women in other subs. Who have RP confused with a beta-turned-ass it can be a challenge to hold silent

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DrRehabMonsterReborn · 2015-03-13T04:30:12+00:00

For some people red pill mentality does not end with women.

Recently I was cut off by a friend who felt I no longer was beneficial to him. While I do support red pill for my own self improvement, I really hope that I do not come to the point where I give up child hood friends over it. When you begin to look at life as a mathematical equation it may be easy to cut off ties with things that don't contribute.

manwhowouldbeking · 2015-03-13T08:47:16+00:00

You tell a man the truth and he calls you a liar, its his loss.

iamnotfromtexas90 · 2015-03-13T11:06:03+00:00

"You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged."

Jaereth · 2015-03-13T14:04:27+00:00

I hate these posts. Two of my best friends lead absolutely deplorable lives. Then we were playing cards one night and the two of them start commiserating about "Oh we have no luck with women, we are getting so frustrated with the situation."

Right away, we hear them say "Luck" with women. Yes, because that's how me and the other guy we were playing with are successful, luck. We just get lucky over and over again. Being fit and keeping a meticulous personal appearance probably doesn't have anything to do with it, no not at all. The lazy bitch boys could never bring themselves to accept a reality that the level of success they want to achieve requires a lot of hard work they would never be willing to put in.

But then again, look how it's affecting their lives? It's obviously pretty important to them. Guys, when is the last time you went out with the guys and then whined about how life's not fair? I can't imagine doing that. Especially on poker night when several dudes are over and we are just trying to have fun after a work week.

But, there they sit. Whining about the state they are in. 30 pounds overweight, lazy as all fuck, and "unlucky" with women. Let's jump back to the poker game.

All I've ever said to these two is "I can tell you how to be really successful with women, and pretty much every aspect of your life, but it's hard work..."

Boom. End of conversation. They wanted to hear no more. I actually talked to one of them about it in private a bit. I told him some very basics. I said he's going to have to hit the gym and at least get that body back to average. I told him he's going to need to get routine haircuts, shave daily. Improve his clothing a bit. I said only after that, could we work on "game". I told him the game will be very easy once you improve yourself to actually be desirable.

And that was it. No action was taken on his part. So you know what? Fuck him. We don't owe anyone else anything. People running around like "I need to help my friends get RP" are just ego stroking themselves about how cool they think they are. Live your life for you, and if a friend honestly comes to you for help, and is willing to work at it, fine. But there's no need to try and evangelize to the betas of the world. I've found that most of them sexual betas to begin with because it's bleeding over from being lazy and worthless in the other core areas of their life.

Grainslol · 2015-03-13T15:27:14+00:00

This is terrible advice. I have a solid group of 3 friends at work who are my trusted inner circle who I talk about my feelings with, and red pill discussions are very frequent. These are SAFE people.

No More Mr. Nice Guy specifies that it's important for a recovering nice guy to find people that are safe to discuss your feelings with. Otherwise you're not going to have an outlet. I've lost friends and FAMILY over red pill discussions. Good riddance. This is your life, do you really want to walk on eggshells through it?

kick6 · 2015-03-13T14:26:49+00:00

You didn't lose a friend, you lost baggage. You lost deadweight. You don't need people in your life that aren't happy for any way (short of criminal activity) you make yourself happier.

buster2209 · 2015-03-13T15:14:34+00:00

I've lost friends due to my RP beliefs.

Good riddance...

xyzone · 2015-03-13T04:40:02+00:00

I tell anyone who asks. It's a good way to filter real friends.

R_E_D_1 · 2015-03-13T05:44:51+00:00

That definitely feels unfortunate, I'm sure. But this guy was never your friend. If telling him this makes him suspect your intentions toward him then he was gonna let you down at some point anyway. His departure did you a favor. And 20 years from now he'll look back on this day as the day he fucked up with a friend.

NightwingTRP · 2015-03-13T10:31:39+00:00

The standard politically correct response to the question "how are you able to just get girls like that?" is to shake your head a little as if you don't really know and then claim it's all just down to "confidence, self-belief and natural attractiveness I guess" A beta will swallow that right down and accept their place in the food chain beneath you. That said, it won't counteract any jealousy issues.

BCFtrip · 2015-03-13T12:10:58+00:00

Indirectness is god, most people know deep down the way things are. The other day I was talking to a secretary who is the postergirl for AWALT and in two years, The Wall, I worked in a complaint about the kind of guys who try to get girls by showering them with gifts and attention, I got a "omg I know right? That just feels so weird, like what else does this guy have going on in his life if I get the attention?" A lot of rapport came with that: if women want guys who "just get it", find a way to show you get it that doesn't make them look bad.

Tarnsman4Life · 2015-03-13T15:22:12+00:00

I pissed off a bunch of people in my circle of 20 something friends last night by saying feminists want prostitution to be illegal because it keeps the value of pussy/ltrs artificially high by enabling men who have no other assets to offer a woman besides BB the ability to get pussy anytime, anyway they want it.

Resident feminist in the group was pissed, resident rpw agreed mostly but then comforted lil miss feminisms cause her feelz were hurt.

I foresee fee long term issues though the are used to me being the black knight of the group.

Fuck your friend and his bitch ass jealousy

HumanSockPuppet · 2015-03-13T06:02:59+00:00

Law 38: Think as you like, but behave like others.

ErasmusOrgasmus · 2015-03-13T08:36:21+00:00

Sounds like he's bitter that you can get girls and he can't. And that's understandable from his AFC point of view but it's a lame reason to end a friendship.

RedRisingHood · 2015-03-15T16:24:08+00:00

You should not be discussing sexual strategy IRL simply because your actions should seem effortless and unplanned, even if you avoid RP terminology, even if you are not branded a misogynist you still lose some of that magical sheen which makes you stand out, the moment you put your success down to specific reasons.

A magician never reveals his tricks, not because he wants you to believe in magic, everyone knows it's baloney but because the moment they see how its done, it's no longer fascinating, it's a lame trick.

sealteamaus · 2015-03-13T05:54:38+00:00

brother, his belief system is more important to him than your friendship, as opposed to your friendship being worth nothing. he is not well, indoctrinated in to an alternate reality where women are honorable. take pity on these lost souls

LimboLoves · 2015-03-13T11:14:00+00:00

Sometimes I don't even mention a red pill view and am labeled a rp neck beard. Just don't talk to people who don't understand. They will just claim you're a misogynist.

Verlier · 2015-03-13T12:34:25+00:00

Reminder, you don't need friends.

SheepKing · 2015-03-13T12:40:16+00:00

Reminder : this was a shit friend, good thing he's gone from your life

rockjock29 · 2015-03-13T13:16:47+00:00

Honestly, if you can't differ in beliefs and still be friends, you weren't very good friends to begin with.

BowDown2Anthony · 2015-03-13T13:59:52+00:00

RP is nothing more than understanding psychology and using it to better yourself.. people getting mad over it are just ignorant

phrostbyt · 2015-03-13T14:02:25+00:00

In a way I can see his point.. A lot of folks here become so indoctrinated by rp theory and culture that they become intolerant of opposing views.. On the other hand, he should be able to handle your ideological shift if he's your friend. My bet is that there was something else going on.. You were probably shoving the rp down his throat.

babydocnorman · 2015-03-13T14:13:06+00:00

He did you a favor by departing. Now that you're RP, it's time to step up to a better group of friends. Your old beta friends will just bring you down. Plus they're like crabs in a barrel. When they see you having success with women, rather than trying to figure out how they can have success too, they'll just hate on you and cockblock whenever possible.

This is especially important if you are new to RP. You may backslide if you keep hanging around betas.

I saw an interesting quote a while ago. "You are the average of your five best friends."

NiftyDolphin · 2015-03-13T14:15:36+00:00

He sees my success with women as wrong and what I do as manipulative and evil. He doesn't trust me and thinks he's another person I manipulate and use.

Someone linked to the site The Rawness yesterday. One of the articles I read there described the difference between people with a Winner mentality vs those with a Loser mentality:

Now you can always tell a winner mentality from a loser mentality by how they react to viewing situational winners. Losers see winners in a situation and try to visualize either how it should be the losers winning instead or try to think about how the winner doesn’t really deserve to be winning and got his gains unfairly. A man with a winner mentality sees someone winning in a situation and thinks, “Why is he a winner right now, and what can I learn from this?”

mordanus · 2015-03-13T14:48:12+00:00

You may have angered him at the moment but eventually he will see it for what it truly is. Maybe because of what you have said he will be able to see through the bullshit that women give him before it gets too late for him

BlackHeart89 · 2015-03-13T14:50:01+00:00

Dude is either a super bitch or always had something against you. If not that, then your delivery may have been fucked up.

Even when I was blue pill, I would have just called you an asshole and left it at that. Been a bit disappointed and just avoided talking about the women you fuck with.

xthemoonx · 2015-03-13T15:34:14+00:00

"those who mind dont matter and those who matter dont mind"

seems as though your 'friend' is and always was a retarded jackass. you are way better off without that dumb ass in your life. at the same time i think TRP is only a baby step in the right direction as it tends to deviate people from a more desired path, a path which does not include resentment, hate, bitterness, and the sense of 'im better then you', something i see waaay too much in trp sub.

thelandofdreams · 2015-03-13T15:41:32+00:00

if people blacklist you because they disagree with you about something, they aren't people that should be in your life.

Daddy45 · 2015-03-13T16:23:11+00:00

I would love to hear more of this story. I'm dying to know exactly what was said.

I mean, what specifically does he consider "evil?"

You: "I've decided to look out for Number One and stop putting the pussy on a pedestal."

Me: "How dare you? Have you no decency? Consider our 22-year friendship finished, Sir. Finished, I say!"

You: "Yeah, I'm going to go get in a workout and tap some ass, so ... "

qwertyleftme · 2015-03-13T16:28:44+00:00

He was not ready to be unplugged. It's ok, there are other friends to be made, new adventures to embark on.

Derzu_Uzala · 2015-03-13T18:47:34+00:00

The Red Pill changes you and some people will resent you. Get new friends.

RosewoodPill · 2015-03-13T18:52:58+00:00

Oh and PS, that's not a real friend.

Davidkpa · 2015-03-13T19:06:49+00:00

I was doing Red Pill before I ever realized it existed. I only learned of it when someone in XX told me to come to this subreditt. I just called it being an man, sometimes being an Alpha Male and understanding that most people are stupid, weak, and easily manipulated (essentially 99% of the population on any given day). That playing by other people's precepts and expectations is a stupid way to live one's life. You have to live for yourself and what you want out of life. If you want pussy, chase pussy, become the best pussy chasing hunter you can be. If you want money, become the best money chasing hunter you can be. Money begets pussy if you play it right. Money begets power if you handle it right, power begets people who want to be in your company (do not call these people friends unless they prove themselves truly to be so, otherwise they are just more pawns for your amusement and use). And of course power begets pussy.

People come in lots of varieties from good to evil. So you have to decide how you want to play, and it's best to play for your own high score. The fact this is called RP is kind of funny to me.

HelloJapan1 · 2015-03-14T07:35:42+00:00

go find some better friends. This guy will only end up leaving you for a girl anyways.

throwaway-aa2 · 2015-03-14T16:23:01+00:00

See I disagree, and I'll tell you why.

Fuck em.

....No seriously, fuck em.

We've been surrounded by absolute pussies our WHOLE life. You call him your friend, right? Are you proud of having a friend who would so quickly throw away your friendship in such a non rational way? He doesn't "trust" you?

This is why I love TRP....because everyone likes to talk about love & friendship & the importance of family... but at the end of day, I never really felt loved, it was always a "If you're respectful and don't offend your parents / friends, then they will love you back" which is such bullshit that I clearly see now. Redpill teaches us that a womans love is conditional.... clearly a man isn't a women but we can also come to a similar conclusion about people in general... the terms for your friendship and love for a lot of idiots out here is conditional. The subtext is: "Don't you dare say the wrong thing, even if you have cogent reasons for them, or you risk our relationship". Seriously? What the fuck do people based their relationships on?

OP... it may have been a childhood friend, but honestly he's not your friend if he has the capacity to do that to you. I know this is corny but... I wish we were friends.

Every "friend" of mine hated conflict, hated having to go through the "trouble" of actually making rational sense (can't be bothered with that can we?), and loved to talk about their feelings and why you can't "tread on them" for their feelings. Let's have a discussion about this: what are the purpose of friends? Maybe this can be a separate post... but what are the point in them? I think people go out of their way to maintain friendships that are not entirely mutual in nature. I think people maintain friendships because of loneliness, I think they do it because we as humans have a hard time letting go of bonds created. But I think we are all familiar with having a friend that a lot of the times acts in a way that makes us question why we choose to associate with this person, but the thought of "breaking up" with a friend doesn't even register. I definitely know I used to (and sometimes still do) entertain friendships with people just because it's like "well I don't have any better friends" or "well I haven't hung out with this person in a while and I would feel bad if I didn't". I think I give a lot of people the benefit of the doubt... I think I hang out with people just because it would be a dick thing to just be like "you sort of annoy me 60% of the time with how you choose to conduct yourself... no offense but I just think we shouldn't be friends anymore". But I think this is something where I'm at the point in my life where I have a higher level of introspection to recognize and maybe change my beliefs on. But I will say that since I've joined the community, I've cut almost everyone I've associated with out of my life. You are who you surround yourself with... no wonder I've been such a fucking pussy my whole life. That was MY realization.

I'll summarize. FUCK THEM. You're better than that. I'm better than that. I think we should start looking at our relationships and bonds and what we've perceived them as, and then take a closer look at them and see them for what they really are: a relationship that is predicated on the participants not rocking the boat.

circlhat · 2015-03-13T04:38:37+00:00

In my experience it depends on who you talk to, some of my low income friends really gave no shit and thought rp stuff was obvious.

even in front of girls , they simply said, "Some girls, I'm not that kind of girl". I obviously didn't push the concept of AWALT.

I'm truly surprise your friend would leave you over this, when I preached RP to the parents before. Is there more to the story? did you call a girl a bitch or something?

brujon · 2015-03-13T15:09:10+00:00

Whenever i talk about TRP outside of this sub, i wait until the subject matter is brought up. For instance, a good friend of mine recently (couple months back) has broken off a 9 year relationship, and started dating again. He stumbled upon PUA culture and the manosphere on his own, and started to talk about it with me.

He had never heard of TRP, and as he doesn't speak English very well, i started to share with him the core concepts of TRP and discuss the merits of the PUA articles he was reading. We now regularly discuss these subjects, and our varying encounters with women. I help him go over what went right and what went wrong, and he does the same with me.

It's been VERY enlightening, as me and him have very different approaches to the mating game. He found two or three girls that are acceptable for him (6's for me, 7's to him), and made them into plates. One phone call away from a bootycall. In the meantime, he takes a more passive rather than proactive approach to getting new girls until these girls start to get flaky.

As for me, i'm going through different girls faster than i go through my underwear, trying to shoot towards higher SMV women while banging 7's on the side. So i'm being very proactive, running profiles on multiple dating sites, practicing day game and putting myself out there as much as possible, because i refused to settle for lower SMV women.

So what i'd say is, you either need to wait for someone to stumble upon the manosphere on their own and then start to show them TRP, or you need to have a deep understanding of how they think and how they feel about stuff before attempting to bring the subject up.

KoreanBoy1 · 2015-03-13T15:49:28+00:00

You plant the seed, man. When he is hurt more, and realize something else needs to be done to protect his ego, he will know where to go. With that said, never directly talk about RP theory. You have to talk about the small ideas that comes as a result of the red pill and also in a very "socialized" way. For example, you can talk about how you are dating several woman, because you want to explore. Make it about yourself, and just share your opinion, and let them just accept the idea as just what you are pursuing. Sooner or later, they don't realize but start to accept those ideas, and you will find yourself talking to your friends about RP stuff.

IllimitableMan · 2015-03-13T10:19:57+00:00

He doesn't trust me and thinks he's another person I manipulate and use.

That's why I stay anonymous/seperate from my writing identity. I don't need every person I meet distrusting me because they read my website, and get scared/paranoid everything I say to them is some elaborate headfuck they can't discern BUT ARE JUST SURE is happening. Fuck that bullshit.

These are most relevant:

http://48laws-of-power.blogspot.com/2011/05/law-3-conceal-your-intentions.html

http://48laws-of-power.blogspot.com/2011/05/law-38-think-as-you-like-but-behave.html

Can't do that when everybody knows WHAT YOU TRULY think, can you? It'll be constant guard up 24/7, whether that person's an enemy or not, they'll see you as one because their fear (or if the objection is moral, disgust) causes them to distrust you.

You have to test people before you tell them controversial things, don't assume they'll be on board.

dbie22 · 2015-03-13T05:26:00+00:00

If he can't handle the truth then he's not good for you. TRP needs to be shared as much as possible, we and MRA are all that's left as a resistance to the misandry conspiracy going on.

Who needs friends like that, really? I'd keep him as a contact but I'd NOT go as far as calling him a friend, a friend is there for you no matter what. True friends are like unicorns.

The-Pussy-Whisperer · 2015-03-13T09:35:23+00:00

When asked, I share. It weeds out the useless people

Faeyrin_ · 2015-03-13T17:16:09+00:00

Maybe you should try to listen to a 22 year friend's opinion about RedPill before you try to preach to the sub about the ironic dangers of losing 22 year friends who are against RedPill.

imeneo · 2015-03-13T05:32:01+00:00

I will only even discuss the sanitized version with friends who really show potential to change. As far as I'm concerned, everyone else can live in their world of false beliefs. I don't have the time to go around trying to change people all day.

This is another way that trp is amoral: we can't feel bad for those around us that have been programmed and we sure as hell can't be surprised when they don't accept that they are blind.

beginner_ · 2015-03-13T06:50:03+00:00

For sure avoid it with anyone that is not in the group of your best friends. Especially at work.

There recently was a topic/comment on how to talk red pill and the important part is to leave out all abbreviations and red pill terms. Don't mention SMV, beta, alpha,.., But tread with care anyway.

If your friend doesn't want to talk to you anymore because of a difference of opinion well it's his loss. What do you gain talking to a butthurt beta loser? There will be 100 other topics you have to tip-toe around, eg. you couldn't really consider him your friend.

starvinmarvin30 · 2015-03-13T06:53:40+00:00

The ones that matter find a way back to your life. At least you offered the RP to him and that alone in my eyes is a true friend. I find myself in a similar situation of wanting to share the RP truth to every friend I care about. I want to spread this knowledge so badly that I sometimes find myself talking to myself about it in the car or in the shower! For now Ill just continue to be a good person and a good friend until I feel the need to shove the RP truth down one of their throats. Hey you never..the pill might just be stuck in his throat. Just give him some time to digest it.

SunshineBlotters · 2015-03-13T08:13:09+00:00

The same goes with PUA tactics, which often shares common ground with RP

quakeboy · 2015-03-13T10:38:45+00:00

I had to learn this pretty fast. RP can help, only if they seek the truth and need the help. They need to submit after everything is broken, and are desperate.

This is why most of us reach/accept/seek it only after a devastated heart-break from BP.

Media and society has done enough to term the RP as bad/manipulative.

Moral - Help only those who seek help. Its not their fault. I was a white knight once, you were too. Remember that mind-set, would you have accepted?

thinktankman · 2015-03-13T11:20:46+00:00

You explained it wrong

You cant just throw the theory at him and honestly if he drops you over this shit at the age of 22 fuck him

RPthrowaway123 · 2015-03-13T11:26:29+00:00

It's sad but it's true. People like him hate the player instead of the game.

PaintAndPlastic · 2015-03-13T11:46:04+00:00

Knowing what the fuck you're doing =/= manipulative.

nzgs · 2015-03-13T11:46:59+00:00

Your friend seems very effeminate, both in his views and his reaction to your views. I'm not sure why you had a friend like that in the first place.

Moldy_Gecko · 2015-03-13T12:03:39+00:00

This is a pretty bluepill response to what happened to you today. You are right that he obviously didn't value your friendship, and that's all you should be concerned with. Did Neo remain in contact with his bluepill friends? No, because any one of them could be Mr. Smith. Sorry, that's what seems to have happened to your friend.

You could also think of TRP as AA for bluepillers. One of the rules of AA is to separate yourself from your alcoholic situations and friends. Luckily, most of my friends subscribe to many of the same beliefs as myself or at the very least, keep an open mind. If is truly a friend and not a mangina, he will be back, if not, find better friends. I do agree you should keep this shit out of the workplace though. Your personal life/views should not be on the menu there.

spitfire7rp · 2015-03-13T12:09:08+00:00

First mistake I see is no is taking into account the person they are telling and sadly the people that need it most will be the least likely to receive it well. I talked about red pill straight up with my buddy that's a natural alpha and it was like the sky is blue and the sun is hot(he even helped me understand things better) but if I talked to his brother about it I'd be called a rapist most likely.

miss_sogony · 2015-03-13T12:11:54+00:00

I wonder how a company could fire you if you were sugar coating everything and speaking "appropriately", as in not using the loose terms we throw around here.

You murrians can get fired for just about anything but surely there are steps where you could come away better off with the right legal help.

As fucked as the world is I don't think you'll get fired for merely saying you need to be assertive around women. HR scabs will play up but once their professionality goes out the window you're in for a fun lawsuit.

tatertotmonkey · 2015-03-13T12:33:42+00:00

Moral? Do not share your RP beliefs with anyone. You never know who is going to, in their misunderstanding, be offended, label you as manipulative and sexist and black list you from their life. For me it was a childhood friend, for you it may be a career or a family member.

Ask yourself if they are more important than you. If you need to sacrifice your own beliefs to appease them. Does that sound like how a man should be? No, it's not. It sucks when you lose those around you. Not everyone wants to hear the truth. However, you are going to lose friends/family as you grow as a man. That's the whole point.

trpSysAdmin · 2015-03-13T12:54:50+00:00

He'll come back when he wakes up. Don't worry.

And yes, remember the first rule.

Sepean · 2015-03-13T13:25:56+00:00

That he thinks you're manipulative is just his hamster. The real problem is that you're telling him that he's a beta, that women are shoving him around and his compliance to their wishes is exactly why they won't fuck him.

That's what he can't accept. That's why he doesn't want to talk you. He'll rather hamster that you're evil than man up.

52576078 · 2015-03-13T13:39:28+00:00

I have to say that I find the comments here a bit too negative. We all know how important good male friendship is, and you shouldn't lightly let a 20 year friendship die like that. He's not a "little bitch" as other commenters say - he just hasn't taken the pill yet. The hate here towards Bluepillers is pointless and serves for nothing.

My advice to you is to be understanding of his point of view, and to not shut the door on him. In fact, tell him that you were good friends before you discovered the Red Pill (did he think you were manipulating him then?), and your door will always be open to him. Good friendships shouldn't be tossed away lightly.

PlanB_pedofile · 2015-03-13T13:50:42+00:00

What Redpill stuff did you say? More specifically what redpill thing did you tell the dude about getting women that he got so pissed at you?

Like really. Just what are you doing to get women to bed you?

Madkids23 · 2015-03-13T14:01:37+00:00

I've been slowly introducing a couple of my more inexperienced friends to TRP after watching them try to talk to women with no success. They seem receptive so far, but in OP's case, the question sounds loaded from the beginning.

erniesmoove · 2015-03-13T14:11:08+00:00

Last night a close friend of mine remembered me about this.

Hes going down a bad path after his breakup and is going full beta nice guy. Even joining some evangelical group for some girl that left him there because she went back to her "douchebag" ex.

I cant help to think how I can help him. To at least say some words and make him see the shit he is doing. At the same time im remembered he isnt going take any word I say well, he will probably react just like youre friend.

symko · 2015-03-13T14:23:55+00:00

Don't be upset at losing your friend. His position in your life is more dangerous than your worst enemy because you have your eyes trained on your enemy.

With him it's Brutus stabbing Julius Caesar. Blues are NOT your friends they will only bring you down. Get them out of your life, then better yourself.

absoluteskeptic · 2015-03-13T14:25:37+00:00

The Red Pill is one of those hot button topics like religion and politics. I'm atheist and have no desire to talk about religion, except in a historical sense (which is always very interesting). My mom is a die hard feminist, and although she's questioning assumptions she made 40 years ago (mostly proved false by The Red Pill), I have no intention in adding to the destruction of her world view. Just like a religious person needs to come to atheism on his own, a feminist needs to abandon that failed 'ism' in her own way. I don't mind dropping hints, but I avoid direct confrontation.

Religion and many political ideas require faith that they are correct, empirical evidence is of no value. In fact, most people will double down on the failed idea feeling that it hasn't been tried hard enough to succeed. Seeing her (at 70) make the same mistakes my 11 year old daughter makes only reinforces many of The Red Pill truisms. They will both act in very irrational ways, often counter intuitive and destructive. Not all women do this, my sister is very balanced at the moment, but it hasn't been that way in the past.

SnoopKittyCat · 2015-03-13T14:43:33+00:00

Although you are right if you want to fit socialy the fact of hiding all the non conventional thoughts because it's likely to offend the politically correct mind of most people can be unbearable. I see that all the time being around lefty brain washed liberals, many time you can't help but call them on their bull shit. Being around brain dead republicans would be the same just for good measure.

aspiringscoundrel2 · 2015-03-13T14:46:39+00:00

The Red Pill is just like "waking up" when it comes to how the world works. Hell, that's where the red pill term comes from.

Everyone needs their Neo or "Truman Show" moment before they will accept the fact that the "reality" they see around them is fabricated....and not in their favor.

Doesn't matter if you're trying to tell them about women's hypergamy or explain that the President of the United States is far from the most powerful person on earth.....you are a nutter to be shunned until the person has discovered, for themselves, that something is fishy about what they've believed for so long.

Bronze_Bound · 2015-03-13T15:05:29+00:00

I find it way easier to justify what I do to my friends if I just tell them that I hate women. I don't hate women but when they see me doing what I do, it is the easiest explanation.

NeoreactionSafe · 2015-03-13T15:05:29+00:00

Red Pill doesn't advocate PUA strategies as it's primary focus.

If you are a "Cad" (manipulative fraud) then your friend might have good reason to distrust you.

It's okay to talk about Red Pill if you are seeking Alpha in life, but if you are PUA, yes, keep your mouth shut.

absolucion · 2015-03-13T15:09:29+00:00

With regards to your personal experience, count your blessings. That was a childish reaction on his part and you don't need people like that in your life.

As for the message you're trying to send here, you're just stating something that most subscribers and lurkers should already know.

thereddespair · 2015-03-13T15:29:16+00:00

Id imagine if you would, make sure you dont use typical red pill keywords or ever say 'red pill'.

fifth0 · 2015-03-13T15:29:59+00:00

He sees my success with women as wrong and what I do as manipulative and evil. He doesn't trust me and thinks he's another person I manipulate and use.

Sounds really paranoid.

InfiniteBauer · 2015-03-13T15:31:04+00:00

You should have explained it as "I'm just being myself." BPs love that kind of language, and "who you are" is a RP man. If he really wanted to be like you, he could have read between the lines.

Anderfail · 2015-03-13T16:11:10+00:00

My best friend reads TRP all the time as well and came about it independently from me. We talk about it all the time and we each have something to add because he's single and I'm married, so our experiences are quite different but both ultimately go back to the true nature of men and women.

Of our group of friends, we are the only two who are truly TRP. Some of our other friends are are in the PUA group, but they still can't internalize Red Pill theory and still whiteknight women.

wtf_is_taken · 2015-03-13T16:19:29+00:00

I don't think he was really looking. That is the problem. He just was not ready. Some people never are.

HalfysReddit · 2015-03-13T16:20:26+00:00

The concept of influence can be frightening to some, because if you are good at influence others, you may be influencing them, and they have to rely on faith that you will not take advantage of them.

I can be rather influential when I want to be. This quote from the character Jeff Winger on Community really hit close to home for me:

I discovered at a very early age that if I talk long enough, I can make anything right or wrong. So either I'm God or truth is relative.

But I have also found that often times, disclosing this makes other people uncomfortable. They may begin to distrust you and analyze your interactions through the lens of a potential victim. I am now only open about this aspect of myself with people I have a particularly intimate relationship with.

crimson-hound · 2015-03-13T16:38:10+00:00

Most of my friends are naturally red-pill and they don't even know it. Although most of them including myself generally fall under the category of the typical person that a "Nice Guy (™)" calls an "asshole"… Sounds like your friend was one of those guys. As long as you're just talking about banging chicks and having fun it shouldn't be a problem. I could see your friend having a problem with you if you went full dark-triad and started talking about raping chicks or ranting about how all women are sluts/subhuman.

One of my good friends who's a TA at a university actually mentioned TRP to me because one of his students (female) in the gender studies class he's working in was writing a research paper on it or something. The both of us go on reddit but I just pretended I had heard of it before but never checked it out.

The funniest part about it is this guy bangs a lot of chicks, he's even banged a few students before. He's actually a red pill guy (doesn't take unwarranted/unecessary BS from women, doesn't offer up exclusivity for nothing, knows how to take the lead etc..) and is teaching a gender studies class.. All of the chicks in that class WANT him.

Good thing he's there to "sexually liberate" them. LOL

TasmanianTigerBlues · 2015-03-13T17:13:21+00:00

I take Gandhi's quote to heart in regards to situations like this: "Be the change you want to see in the world". Along with the rule in writing: "Show, don't tell."

People can't learn anything from other people telling them how it all is. You have to lead by example, and let them judge your perspective by your actions and success.

This goes along with maintaining frame among women. They want to be shown how alpha you are, not told.

Philhelm · 2015-03-13T17:32:46+00:00

I have a difficult time comprehending the possibility of losing a friend of 22 years over any TRP philosophies. Granted, I'm known for saying outlandish things and speaking my mind, so perhaps it's a matter of frame. If people are used to another person saying controversial things, they will be more likely to accept it than if it comes from a person who usually does not, since in the former case frame was already established.

I've been very open about TRP ideas, even to strangers. While I don't mention TRP directly, so far I haven't encountered any problems and people have nodded in agreement. Perhaps it's the delivery?

goodboy · 2015-03-13T17:33:43+00:00

You've lost nothing. You've gained insight into an old acquaintance's character. He was never your friend, because he was never truly loyal. True friends are not the guys that bail you out of jail. They're the ones sitting in there with you. Those other guys just like to either feed off you or pick up the scraps you leave behind.

ddundly · 2015-03-13T17:41:20+00:00

Honestly, fuck him. If he is jealous and resentful, then he is a bitch. Long time friend or not, if a guy lets your success with women change his view of you so drastically, then he just isn't the kind of guy you should be friends with.

Why be around someone you need to walk on eggshells with, and always watch what you say? Real friends are ok with agreeing to disagree.

rangamatchstick · 2015-03-13T17:43:56+00:00

I share my views fearlessly, its a great way to sort out whos worth being around, unless I have to be on good terms with them I will talk about rp, pickup, or any idea I have as I please.

Doomsday_ · 2015-03-13T17:49:52+00:00

Do you really want to be friends with someone who won't accept you for who you are?

MPRE · 2015-03-13T18:19:48+00:00

He may come around after he cools off and thinks about it. Maybe leave him a message that your door is always open if he decides to change his mind.

From that moment on, consider him lost and move on. Write him off and focus on your friends that are more confident and open minded. If he never contacts you again, it's his loss.

Sknowman · 2015-03-13T19:17:38+00:00

If the ideas mentioned in red pill are so offensive to everyone else, why is red pill even a thing?

TheBadGod · 2015-03-13T19:25:13+00:00

He's unworthy of your time at the moment. He'll be back after he goes through some self-discovery.

I take the time to explain to my people that TRP isn't "Girls are dumb. Girls can't drive."

It's self improvement and evolutionary social mechanics.

Plus, I'd rather risk losing people trying to make them stronger than let them live a lie.

fruit7 · 2015-03-13T19:31:26+00:00

"lost one of my men. gotta remain focused and make it home again"

falcon10474 · 2015-03-13T19:39:50+00:00

I beat people over the heads with red pill truths like this

It's ALL ABOUT DELIVERY.

If you do it like those old timey hell fire and brimstone preachers or condescending in any way, people WILL hate you.

You HAVE to do it with humor and love. The best person to ever do this was our lord and savior Patrice O'neal. Here's one of the greatest examples of him just beating everyone with the red pill on a radio show.

Ibex3D · 2015-03-13T19:42:21+00:00

I talk about TRP concepts with a lot of people. With my friends I use the language of TRP(well I don;t use our vocabulary cause they dont know it but I don't sugarcoat it). My friends are all very crass and we can take blunt shit. With other people? Sugar coat it! I tend to sill be pretty blunt about it but I'm in a social position in my department(I throw the parties) where I can get away with saying just about anything so I do. Never talk about this shit without a veil to people you don't know can handle it.

[deleted] · 2015-03-13T20:20:51+00:00

His reaction of leaving is pure weakness. Another step towards AF ascendence.

sanglupus · 2015-03-13T21:46:43+00:00

You have planted seeds in his mind that will be difficult to shake. Eventually perhaps they will take root and weaken the foundation they have dug into. Maybe even one day, he will thank you.

srsh · 2015-03-13T22:37:06+00:00

Sorry, but you're title is completely wrong. You tried to enlighten a friend and he was so unable to comprehend, he freaked the fuck out and terminated a friendship on the spot.

Once you get over the initial shock of lost friendship, you'll evaluate this relationship with less emotion. Then you'll be glad you're not wasting any more time with him.

tedted8888 · 2015-03-13T23:42:49+00:00

Probably be downvoted for not calling this guy a blue pill bitch, but I think one of 2 things happend here. A) you let your standards for friends slip or b) your communication in this instance was offensive.

a) did this guy continue to give you value in your life? Why did you not cut off the relationship when you saw he was leeching your energy? Or did you not see that?

b) I really hope you weren't like an athiest telling a christian "lol god dosen't exist". If a friend is dating a gold digger, Instead of being like, 'your a bitch, cant you see she's manipulating you', one needs to speak so the friend will listen. Ask begging the question type inquiry, like 'how is this woman providing value in your life', 'did thouse 200$ shoes benifit you', 'you pay alot for sex, is she a prostitute or do you really love her', 'do you love her for sex or does she provide some other benifit'.

I honestly suspect its a little of both a and b. Calling him a bitch and saying good riddance is blue pill. Red pill is learning from the situation.

Espada18 · 2015-03-14T00:44:58+00:00

He doesn't trust me and thinks he's another person I manipulate and use.

Your friend is a huge idiot, you've literally exposed yourself to him and he feels threatened, when it should've had the opposite effect. I'd fear the magician who never reveals his secret than the one who does. But yeah, TRP theory can be a shock to the system; reminds me of a stunt someone pulled at a party I was at 2 years ago, someone added LSD in some dudes non alcoholic drink, not being aware the drug kicked in and the dude was doing everything to fight the drug. You wouldn't really blame him for his reaction, but in a different context and right setting, he might have actually benefitted from it.

_valtiel_ · 2015-03-14T01:26:24+00:00

He would have left regardless. I had a friend like that. He cock-blocked me back when I was learning about PUA, I even shared a few of the simpler concepts to him. I know it sounds like I'm proving your point, but fuck it, good riddance, he would have left anyway.

mrdenver · 2015-03-14T02:33:35+00:00

First rule about red pill don't talk about red pill.

invictusprotocol · 2015-03-14T03:38:25+00:00

Choose better friends, OP. I have a select close group of friends that only talk redpill knowledge and the observations that we've all experienced. Don't meet a new person and start dropping knowledge, that'd be retarded, but I have at least 15-20 friends I can talk about this stuff all day with, and it only makes us better men. Guess what, if you drop redpill knowledge on a girl and destroy the "I'm a feminist" shit test, you're going to fuck her. Condition yourself better socially, and fuck those people that hate you for living the best life you can. Doesn't sound like a loss to me at all.

Upan · 2015-03-14T17:11:48+00:00

You dodged a bullet. Let that friend go.

NorthernSpectre · 2015-03-15T00:58:51+00:00

Good, let him stay a lonely virigin. He sounds like a fucking loser.

Mmagikarp · 2015-03-13T13:53:04+00:00

We were talking about this a couple days ago in the IRC. I go by the name of "primeval". My beta buddy didn't leave, probably because

A) He really needs me.

B) Deep down he knows I'm right.

BUT, he did call me a "manipulative". Because I use tactics when I aproach some one, but I've always approached almost everything with a plan. Like Batman I have a plan for when I don't have a plan, "The, Johnny Knoxville".

Maybe you're in luck, maybe he will call you back once he realizes that you as a matter of fact, you were right.

The reason why I believe this is because, YOU his child hood friend, explained TRP theory, he will be aware of it.

I have to ask. Was he jealous of you?

diablo_fuentes · 2015-03-13T05:55:08+00:00

Show don't tell.

Like everyone else here said, fuck him. You need to find new friends, because trust me I have thrown redpill bits here and there and I yet to have a problem.

Just don't use the terminology, and try going to places republicans (not necessarily social conservatives) go.

yummyluckycharms · 2015-03-13T06:40:09+00:00

Nonsense.

I have a wide range of friends. Some are criminals, others are drug users, and some are very blue pill. You wanna know what they all have in common? They respect my freedom to make my own choices, and I respect theirs. They dont get into a childish pouting session if I say something they dont like - at worst, we might quibble for a bit, and then leave it as well "lets agree to disagree"

If your friend got upset for something you said, then he wasnt your friend but an intolerant bastard.

adrixshadow · 2015-03-13T08:04:33+00:00

Or you can be an alpha and do the fuck you want.

FearLeadsToAnger · 2015-03-13T10:27:01+00:00

I'm pretty lucky in that one of my best friends is fascinated by the RedPill. Ostensibly he doesn't agree with it, which is actually better, because we get to sit at work messaging our arguments for and against certain issues, but in general I tend to be able to lead him down the righteous path. I think the issue being that I've seen more of the concepts at work than he has (My ma, bless her, is a prime example of why the Redpill is necessary).

I say find someone intellectual and talk about the redpill, don't let insecurity fuel your fervour, if you follow the redpill it should be a rational and informed decision on your part.

5hogun · 2015-03-13T20:22:45+00:00

Ironic that this is featured on the front page.

CouldntFindGudName · 2015-03-13T10:36:44+00:00

Guys, we live in a world that DOES NOT want to hear about The Red Pill.

Indeed, there are several posts every month about this concept, anyone who has read the recommended material should know this. Do NOT share TRP values with them. Not until they are ready. I welcome your example too. Maybe newbies will learn from it.

I just lost a friend of 22 years this morning. After a disagreement, he left my house today and told me to never speak to him again.

He cannot handle disagreements like an adult. I do commend him for leaving and having the balls to tell you to not contact him again. The only problem is, that he used it against the wrong person. You will not get affected when a loser leaves your world, but he will be affected pretty bad when someone who could have guided him to success has left his tiny bubble.

22 years is a very long time, some readers here aren't even that old. It sucks but on a good not you now know who is on your side.

The resentment he feels towards me has only grown, every time I open my big mouth.

He is jelly. (sorry for using sill words) but that's the crux of it. Jelly as fuck and couldn't handle your success.

You know what the weird part is tho? He thinks that you're not telling him the truth. His male hamster and indoctrination is so strong that he believes that what you tell him is a lie and you are getting girls from other ways but you don't want to share that with him. That's what he means by you being manipulative towards him.

If I had never stopped to answer the "How are you able to just get girls like that" questions with RP concepts, I bet we'd still be friends.

Be glad he is gone, would like to be a friend with this pussy? Seriously, imagine this. You get in some sort of trouble, you think "oh hey I have a friend of 22 years, he'll help me in this bullshit. Let me get to him." and what do you find? Mr.Pussy ran away like a cunt at the first sign of trouble.

I'm saddened and hurt by his abrupt departure, though it shows how much he valued our friendship.

I know how it feels, the pain will go away. You didn't lose a friend, you just lost an acquaintance who pretended to be a friend.

Moral? Do not share your RP beliefs with anyone. Amen to that brother!

Zazeon · 2015-03-13T10:58:35+00:00

I have discovered this on my own, unfortunately. I tried talking with a friend about it and he just told me "alphas and betas don't even exist"

After he said that I just changed the topic and haven't mentioned it since.

John_MayerMaynot · 2015-03-13T15:27:15+00:00

You oughta call him out on his shit. If he asked how you get so many women then there has to exist somewhere within your dynamic jealousy.

I don't think you should be secretive about anything. You're not being manipulative. You're taking common information and observable fact and using it in a way that is beneficial to you. It's really no different than reading the same story as your class and processing the lesson together in class discussions.

Hopefully if females in particular see the problems with the way this information works then they can right the so-called wrongs that make it work and we'll have to re-examine and work from whatever comes of it. I mean that's a big part of what's going on here right? We're trying to better ourselves.

edit: mispelling

Salient0ne · 2015-03-13T15:40:29+00:00

My beliefs are a part of who i am, if i need to be fake to keep someone around.. then it isnt worth it.

chivalry_augustus · 2015-03-13T16:02:09+00:00

Guys like OP are stupid. You shouldn't talk about philosophy, politics, or any of your thoughts on life, because they're what make you enemies. People don't want to hear what they don't know or like, they want to reinforce their own beliefs, irrespective of whether they are right or wrong. Yet all of that is irrelevant, because the fundamental mistake you made is the same one that your friend made. You were so egotistical that you could only believe that you were right, and that you should force your views on others whether they wanted to hear them or not. Unless you're a very skilled and persuasive orator, whose medium is a million times more eloquent than his message, you cannot convince people to choose what they do not want to know, and you especially cannot convince people to choose what they do not like. They can only choose what they do not like through bad experience, not through being told. It's the same reason why children make the mistakes their parents warned them about - ego.

Reminder: DO NOT PREACH, no matter what you're preaching about.

People don't want to hear that shit even if you're spilling solid gold bricks at a rate of two per second.

rymdsylt · 2015-03-14T01:23:03+00:00

I've started to discuss RP with my brother. He's completely new to the idea of RP, and I myself has only been here for about a year so I'm still learning.

He has neither "accepted" RP nor rejected it. He isn't browsing the sub, but he is checking out the links I send him. I'm positive that he doesn't share my(our) view of the world, but he hasn't lost respect for me or even gotten worked up by RP. That could, however, be because we're family and we're simply having a discussion on perspective. Both of us enjoy discussing so we can easily have a debate about a topic with out anyone getting upset.

Whenever I mentioned bits of RP to my ex, she went nuts. When I talked about feminism(mainly "having it all"; keeping the benefits of being a woman but also acquiring the perks of being a man) with my mom, she was reluctant and said that I have an unhealthy view of the world.

Despite that, my family still love me and still treat me with the same amount of respect as before. All I can hope for is that they've absorbed what I've told them and at least thought about it and not just dismissed it as complete and utter bullshit.

I think it's important to know the person you're talking to before you discuss RP.

[deleted] · 2015-03-13T11:20:46+00:00

If you have time to spread RP you are not being RP. Let them figure it out on their own. Save yourself the hassle. Game on!

crazydave1979 · 2015-03-13T17:54:41+00:00

Thanks, but I'll talk about what I want.. Luckily most of the guys I hangout with are assholes and any guy that acts like that gets made fun of pretty hard.

fausto412 · 2015-03-13T12:09:22+00:00

OK..so tell us how you get girls man? Your friend wasn't really your friend

JimProfitLeninist · 2015-04-24T22:53:34+00:00

I don't care if I lose blue-pillers, my best friend is going through the same shit I am and understands what I mean. He tries to resist saying outright he hates women, but than so do most of you. Don't bother. Women are scum, just fucking hate them without shame. If they were worth a damn you simply wouldn't hate them. Simple stuff really.

They're not my parents, they don't provide for me. They're not sucking my dick and being my companion in life. They're not being a strong wingman and good friend. They're not fighting moderator felons.

What fucking use is the average woman? Yes most men aren't those things either but most men aren't asinine either. They don't enrage me by simply existing and saying the most ignorant and depraved shit.

tropicalfire · 2015-03-13T08:15:02+00:00

It might sound stupid, but can you talk about it with girls\women? I feel like I want to tell them I know what they really think and how fucked up the world is. Stop me before I do something stupid.

DogInTheBath · 2015-03-13T10:48:42+00:00

Would it not be Red Pill to talk about Red Pill without giving a fuck?

I'm not saying to go about telling everybody but if you have somebody close to you who doesn't appreciate that you have been honest with them, about how you learned to be the man you are, then you might be better off without them anyways.

Your friend sounds like a white knight in the making. He sees an opportunity to shit on you and now he can get on his high horse with these made up feelings of being potentially manipulated by you where its the exact opposite that he asked you a question and you answered truthfully.

Title	Reminder: DO NOT TALK ABOUT THE RED PILL
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Date	March 13, 2015 4:07 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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