Yeah, this is a bit long. But fucking read it because i know what I'm talking about. Sorry for the flood of hatorade but people both inside and outside the "seduction" community continue to misunderstand this whole thing.

Look, "seduction" and "pickup" are terms that today's community has unfortunately inherited from a more sleezy time: cough Ross Jefferies cough. Neither of these terms accurately represent this subreddit or much of the rest of this community. The terms seduction and pickup imply that you are somehow manipulating and even fooling a girl to sleep with you. Today, this is simply not the case, or at least not what "pickup" is intended to be used for. Learning pickup nowadays, as long as the learner is a decent human being, is nothing more then gaining understanding of what attracts a woman to a man and then making the necessary improvements in one's life to take on those qualities.

Is there a particular ethos of the seduction communtiy? Of course there's a fucking ethos: Always seek to improve yourself in all aspects of life and build yourself into a valuable person because this is what allows a man to have the best of both worlds: awesome sex with A LOT of beautiful girls, while both you and every girl you've been with remain happy to have met each other. You know what that is? It's called AUTHENFUCKINGTICITY. There's no shortcut to a truly legitimate and satisfying sex life then crafting yourself into an authentic person and projecting your authenticity onto others with no other motive then to leave them better off then before they met you.

If you feel that seduction/pickup has in some way perplexed you or negatively effected you, that is only because you thought there was a quick fix that would ameliorate your frustratingly lacking sex life. That's not seddit's fault, that's your own. People who think this way, which is unfortunately a large portion of the seduction community, can get loads of pussy thinking they need to somehow manipulate girls to fuck them, but I can assure you that this type of approach to pickup will only create problems in your life and will never land you the woman that's so fucking awesome that she's worth spending the rest of your life with.

We're not here to "trick" girls into sleeping with us. We're here to improve not only our own lives but the lives of the girls whose pants we're ripping off. Do you guys have any idea how frustrated women are about men these days? Do you have any idea how fucking siked women are to meet a fun, NORMAL guy that knows how to use his cock? For a lot if not most females, such guys are few and far between.

Men are stupid, women are crazy. Women are crazy BECAUSE men are stupid. The "seduction" community flat out solves this problem. All we need to do to ameliroate the female population's supposed craziness is to: #1 better understand females and #2 Take on authentic qualities that are congruent with what legitimately attracts a woman to you. THAT is what we fucking do here.

TL;DR There are a lot of people that have completely misinterpreted pickup altogether and are thus doomed to a second-rate sex life.

UPDATE: Just want to say I'm very happy with how many people have engaged themselves in this discussion. In my experience, Seddit has been a particularly civil place when it comes to debates.