Women have more diverse tastes than men, and it makes little sense to try to appeal to some made-up universal standard

King_D0ng · 2021-08-24T11:57:34+00:00

On an individual level, men are attracted to more women than women are to men. It should be no surprise that women "disagree" on physical attractiveness more than men given this. If a man finds 40% of women attractive, they're far more likely to have common ground with other men who also find 40% of women attractive compared to women who individually may find less than 10% of men attractive.

But just because individual women have more diverse tastes in men does not mean you can say women as a whole have more diverse tastes than men as a whole. Multiple studies you posted show men as a whole find a larger amount of women more attractive as compared to the reverse. To put it another way, women disagree more on what is attractive but agree more on what is unattractive.

As for women preferring non-physical traits more so than men, let me just link this earlier study posted to this subreddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/ozqdwz/results_from_a_new_speed_dating_study/

" None of the objective intelligence measures (actual scores) had large effects or were significant. Perceived intelligence (how intelligent your potential date thought you were) had a couple of correlations."

Combine that with the Okcupid data where they asked people to rate physical attraction vs personality separately and you can infer on what makes people perceive others to be more intelligent is tied to their looks.

xFallacyx69 · 2021-08-24T11:55:39+00:00

Women do not have more diverse tastes in men.

They have more diverse requirements. Those “requirements” are still only met by the top men.

It’s like saying I have a more diverse pallet than someone because I require that my sushi is spicy, not fried, contains salmon, contains cream cheese, contains no eel, but contains eel sauce on top… but they have less diverse taste because they’ll take any sushi without eel in it…

cuckspace · 2021-08-24T12:08:47+00:00

Women look for other cues than physical attractiveness, such as ability to provide resources and status, which is irrelevant when men evaluate attractiveness. Younger women tend to care about status within niche subcultures if they belong to those, but become more uniform in their preferences as the clock starts ticking louder.

wekacuck · 2021-08-24T12:02:08+00:00

You have already argued elsewhere that the OkCupid ratings data are invalid because women aren't visual.

So how are you now accepting a different study based on women looking at pictures?

_lemazaki · 2021-08-24T11:20:17+00:00

not the fake-alpha dark-triad wannabe-Chad you are trying to be.

Its more about what you can´t do/be and the rest is you playing with numbers.

XASTA123 · 2021-08-24T13:23:00+00:00

“men do not value women’s intelligence or ambition when it exceeds their own”

there it is

Mrs_Drgree · 2021-08-24T10:47:38+00:00

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mairomaster · 2021-08-24T11:06:01+00:00

Yes, TRPs push many things to an extreme and overgeneralize a little too much IMO. However, the main idea is still true to some degree. Here are some simple examples:

Some women might prefer a bodybuilder type of a body, some people might prefer not that muscular guy but just lean and fit. However, not that many people would optimally prefer a guy who is obese, under everything else being equal. Or similarly a guy who is super skinny, borderline anorexic. So yes, there is not guarantee that the vast majority of the women will really like you if you look like Ronnie Coleman, but it's true that you can increase your chances of being liked by being reasonably fit and lean.
Some women might really like super tall man, while other preferring ones just above average height for example. It's a good rule of thumb though that you will be more liked on average if you are tall, compared to if you are really short.
Some women might like guys who shave their heads, but the majority will like guys with good hair.

So it's all about being sensible and trying to increase your chances. No need to push things to extremes and trying your hardest to achieve a very specific look.

You can become attractive in your niche as well and look for women that want you

That is a bit vague though. Some people might interpret is as "I'm fat but that is who I am - better find some girl who like fat guys", which is obviously a pretty flawed logic.

not the fake-alpha dark-triad wannabe-Chad you are trying to be

But why do you think you necessarily need to be fake and to have dark-tried qualities if you want to be a Chad?

ijustwannabeagoat · 2021-08-24T11:23:16+00:00

It depends on how the researchers or women participants defined ‘attracted to’. There’s a big difference in what women are attracted to for a one night stand or for a relationship or for marriage. In fact, being tall and fit as a man might work against you sometimes because women might assume you’re a player/fuccboi or will cheat on them. Man women are not attracted to such guys because of previous bad experiences or quick assumptions. Attraction is complicated. A women could seek a relationship with a short chubby guy and be ‘attracted to him’, but it doesn’t necessarily mean that women have more diverse tastes than men. It’s more of he looks like he’s a good man who would be loyal etc. You can be ‘attracted’ to stability that doesn’t discount Chad.

The idea behind Chad is not that he’s the only guy all women are attracted to, but rather that he gets special treatment or most women will make exceptions for him. Open doors that are normally closed basically. Chad is more of an attitude or vibe not purely physical traits. There are different types or Chads.

Hate to argue semantics. But I think so much depends on how people define attraction because it can mean so many things depending on the context.

Overall, in my experience women are more consistent in what turn them on and what turns them off. And in my experience I’ve seen so much diversity in what turns on or turns off men.

Plopolok · 2021-08-24T11:38:38+00:00

It's an interesting counterpoint to the Chad concept, or even to the concept of SMP, but the fact remains that the distribution of sex and relationships is very unequal for men, much more than for women. The exact mechanisms that lead to this outcome in spite of women having more diverse individual tastes don't matter much. (Men basically take all they can so their preferences don't matter, aggregating a diversity can make a concentration, preselection, the difference between saying "I like this type of guys" and actually sleeping with them, ...)

houstongradengineer · 2021-08-24T13:23:13+00:00

It makes perfect sense to try and appeal to a universal standard, because all they want to do is up their N-count at this point. If they could just be with a few more women, we'll that helps them reach their goal. Some things, like confidence and fitness, are universal in the sense that it will up these men's N-counts. Fuckboys are gonna fuckboy. I know it's gross, but it's their life, not mine. I can't do anything about it.

Mimoxs · 2021-08-24T14:42:12+00:00

Yes that's the point you people cannot agree and often get it wrong

_Neon_Shadow_ · 2021-08-24T15:03:21+00:00

while it would actually make more sense to be more polarizing.

No it wouldn't.

In reality there's little agreement between women on what they find attractive.

Meanwhile...

Women showed some preference for thin, muscular men.

Exactly. So TRP is right: LIFT.

You don't have to become attractive to what you think all women are attracted to. You can become attractive in your niche as well and look for women that want you and not the fake-alpha dark-triad wannabe-Chad you are trying to be.

This is terrible advice. You are effectively telling men to limit their options. Yes, you can get women by being a skinny, effeminate, e-boy, but only a niche of women find that attractive. Why limit yourself to a niche of women when you can become attractive to a wide range of women? Your understanding of TRP is abysmal and your logic in this post is lacking.

Basically, this entire post was a long winded way of saying TRP is right.

kookerpie · 2021-08-24T18:02:42+00:00

I think it would help men if they would try and up their grooming game

AbbreviationsHot1200 · 2021-08-24T19:55:54+00:00

LoL no they don't. If one gender finds 5% of the population attractive and the other finds 50% attractive which one is attracted to diversity? LoL

DplusLplusKplusM · 2021-08-24T22:40:49+00:00

IMHO women can be turned on by actions as well as looks while maybe men remain more visual. An average looking guy who can play a guitar, spout poetry or is good to his dog earns extra "points" on the hotness scale for most women. Men conversely aren't all that impressed when an average looking woman reveals that she can do something mildly interesting.

Mimoxs · 2021-08-24T10:51:03+00:00

They don't actually agree with what "Chad" is in the first place though. There's like 5 different definitions of what comprises such a person

gimpgirl555 · 2021-08-24T11:35:21+00:00

Did these studies factor in $$$? Because that's the answer for a lot of women out there.

AidsVictim · 2021-08-24T13:24:53+00:00

There's a whole lot of variation in what people are attracted to, especially for women.

Sort of. Women are more attracted to "niches" than men but there's still an average of attractiveness of semi-universal physical qualities (mostly facially and height/frame wise) and in a lot of idealized cases (i.e. the equivalent of romance novel covers) it's really just about playing dress up with a guy who would be attractive in whatever niche he was in. Men can improve their chances by appealing to that niche, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are more physically attractive anymore than "nerd" women are more physically attractive to nerd men but they're more available and compatible for said nerds which generates a (psychological) attraction all it's own.

Women are "forced" to have more diverse tastes in general simply because there are far fewer (from most womens relative point of view) attractive men than women. If the only options before them are mostly average looking men they want one that appeals to their particular cultural niche and/or personality type. Women are more in demand so they can have options like that.

ohheyhi99 · 2021-08-24T14:03:14+00:00

“Women have more diverse tastes than men”

That seems good for me. But is there a newer version of this study with only younger women (under 35)? And what does “diverse tastes” mean? Does it mean preferring a handsome guy with glasses instead of a handsome guy with a football?

“and it makes little sense to try to appeal to some made-up universal standard”

Hard disagree. There are traits which appeal to vast numbers of women. Not all of these are within a man’s control. As for the controllable ones, an obese guy with bad hair will have less appeal to (desirable) women then he would if he was lean or toned with well-styled hair.

0seagirl · 2021-08-24T11:19:13+00:00

Excessive emphasis is usually put on appearance by incels, because the depth of their own self-perception is shallow. It simply can't go any further. Throw in some black and white thinking mixed with RP ideologies, and as far as they're concerned, if they're not Chad, women will never want them.

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GNP_Aficionado · 2021-08-24T12:58:22+00:00

Women do have diverse tastes, but nowhere near as diverse as men.

A lot of struggling men want a quick fix to achieve sexual/romantic success - a spoon-fed plan/script/algorithm to follow. Unfortunately, it's not that simple, because we are humans, not robots.

However, there IS a type of man that achieves success with the plurality of women (N.B. plurality, not majority), and that is.......... Chad. So they focus and obsess over him and try to emulate him and find out what his "secret" is. He's certainly not a monolith, but he does have certain characteristics that are widely agreed upon.

Dig-Several · 2021-08-24T14:04:41+00:00

But do women have all the same hivemind taste on another women?? 👀

gopher_glitz · 2021-08-24T14:34:52+00:00

If you're a guy, just make a lot of money and you're good to go. (obviously you still have to be a good person, have impeccable hygiene/grooming standards etc)

Fleischpeitsch · 2021-08-24T16:56:35+00:00

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razormachine · 2021-08-24T18:37:16+00:00

This is interesting, I always thought that men have a more diverse taste.

I would avoid using data from OKcupid, those can only be used on OLD rather then general populace. Other studies have no apparent flaws.

MyDogLovesCorn · 2021-08-24T20:18:38+00:00

Absolutely not true.

Women are attracted to a far smaller demographic than men are. Some women like artsy guys. Some women like outdoorsey guys. Some women like nerdy guys. But women almost exclusively like high status guys. Doesn't matter what scoop you get at Ben & Jerry's -- it's still fucking ice cream. Same concept with women.

I've never heard of any man refusing to casually date someone because they weren't making 6 figures or didn't have a "good" degree.

I've never heard of a man rejecting a woman for being meek/submissive.

I've never heard of a man rejecting a woman for being of a socially "low status".

I work at a white collar firm in the big city and I notice many of my male colleagues seriously dating women "beneath" them, e.g. "artistic" temp workers with garbage degrees from garbage schools. On the other hand, literally none of the women date someone in a lower social bracket. I know one woman who was basically looking for guys working at a handful of small and prestigious firms because they're guaranteed to be loaded. Mind you, this is someone who was already making ~$120k right out of college.

One of my coworkers continued to date her boyfriend from a decent state school and he got a similar'ish and decent job at another firm. However, he joined our firm last year and is now in a more senior role making twice as much as what he was before so...

Note: I'm a bit biased because I'm under the age of 30 and young people tend to be shallow.

throoowwitalllawaaay · 2021-08-25T00:19:37+00:00

So why is there like 2x more male virgins than female virgins ?
Math doesn't check out.

Whisper · 2021-08-25T01:47:22+00:00

It doesn't have to "make sense". It just has to work.

It works.

If you have some alternate explanation for why it works, go for it.

happygone25 · 2021-08-25T10:46:47+00:00

Women may have diverse tastes, but men have more overall diversity (income, height, weight, social status and sexual partners).

The reason that women all go for Chad is because there aren't more Chads since the development of "Chad" features are usually very stressful on the body in terms of caloric expenditure, immunosuppression, renal toxicity and liver toxicity.

Also since men are more aggressive to one another than women, boys that are abused and repressed during their developmental periods are more likely to express neotenous features rather than dimorphic masculine features as a subconscious way to avoid confrontation from other males (tall and muscular men were seen as more intimidating and therefore more of a threat to other men and their status in prehistoric times). This is a hypothesis on why societies that place more emphasis on social hierarchy tend to have more neoteny and less dimorphism since dimorphic features tend be be associated with many negative behaviors.

Khanluka · 2021-08-25T10:58:17+00:00

There are thing majordy finds attriave and there are things subjectieve like a beard. There plenty of woman that find every men with a beard complete disgusting. But there will so be plenty that woot only want a guy with a beard.

But having a fit and healty body is a majordy thing

Nihi1986 · 2021-08-25T23:17:10+00:00

They have more diverse taste but still like a way smaller % of men (around 20% as you all probably know).

Desperate men also have a really diverse taste, though.

Ryderforge · 2021-08-26T00:08:19+00:00

all of my female friends and their friends find the exact same men attractive with slight variations.

the men are always 5'10-6'5, lean with broad shoulders and a nice jawline with clear skin

FuckWhatYallThink · 2021-08-24T14:02:25+00:00

Women put greater weight on the intelligence and the race of partner, while men respond more to physical attractiveness.

How did they decouple race from physical attractiveness? Its technically a physical trait, ie, melanin levels+mongoloid/negroid feature set. If women are all going for white dudes it means white=Chad.

The other studies you linked involved attractiveness ratings as opposed to actual dating behaviors. The flawed assumption here is that people’s ratings in a survey with no tangible consequences are an accurate reflection of how they behave in reality. People are known to lie on surveys.

My theory is that social desirability bias will cause women to always not want to appear slutty, hence they will try to answer in ways that suggest less venality/shallowness on their part, whereas men may try to exaggerate their own to conform to social stereotypes of testosterone fuelled bad ass pussy slayers. This bias is the same reason surveys of male and female n counts produce mathematically inconsistent results.

You can tell just from the reaction of PPD females that there is some kind of strong social aversion to the idea that who they choose to fuck is in any way predictable or the same as all other women. Being able to choose a very special guy for her own special reasons is somehow wrapped up in the feminine mystique, so women are threatened when you point out they all predictably spread for a certain subset of men, despite it being observably true.

Title	Women have more diverse tastes than men, and it makes little sense to try to appeal to some made-up universal standard
Author	Fleischpeitsch
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Date	August 24, 2021 10:30 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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