How has the obesity epidemic affected the sexual market place and marriage?

wtknight · 2021-10-18T13:27:12+00:00

I think that it takes longer for overweight to obese people to "find" each other, because overweight women tend to think that they deserve better men, try to sleep with them and get used for sex, and then don't think that overweight men are good enough for them. Overweight men think that they deserve hot Stacies, but often don't even bother pursuing them except for swiping right on them on Tinder, and then get bitter that no one wants to date them.

I think that eventually these two types of people settle for each other, and that sometimes they even end up happy with each other. But before then I think that overweight people of both sexes who don't lose the weight can end up acting entitled, and because of that there ends up being more bitterness in the dating market than there should be if everyone were hypothetically of a healthy weight.

Helmet_Icicle · 2021-10-18T11:13:52+00:00

Some would say that given genders are roughly similar in obesity rates, this balances itself out so there is no impact.

This isn't true.

Morbidly obese men have far fewer sexual partners than morbidly obese women
Morbidly obese women have the same number of sexual partners as average weight men
Men with the highest N-count were average to overweight, although it is likely muscular men are being represented more in the ~25-29 BMI range
Under-weight men did the worst of any weight group, even worse than morbidly obese men

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1474704915604563

snowcakey · 2021-10-18T05:40:35+00:00

Your last few sentences are spot on.

The more fatties that are around, the more my SMV goes up. Myself and my close girlfriends are all gymrats so we’re especially feeling the halo effect of being tight & toned.

A lot of the women in my area are not fit or active, even the “skinny” ones are skinnyfat or straight up chunky/chubby without necessarily being obese per se.

I love the body positive movement, not because I agree with it but because it boosts mine and all the other fit girls SMV, allowing us to experience a higher degree of the halo effect & be even more selective and choosy.

purplish_possum · 2021-10-18T08:44:01+00:00

The death of beta bucks game means it's almost impossible for seriously fat guys to find anyone. There are very few actual female chubby chasers.

Fat women on the other hand have more options than ever. 30 years ago fat women were at a serious disadvantage. Now they can get dates and relationships almost as easily as thin women. SInce chubby chasers are out of the closet now there's little stigma associated with dating a pretty fat woman. OLD puts fat women in touch with chubby chasers with the greatest of ease (at least for the women).

Haunting-Ad-8603 · 2021-10-18T14:11:12+00:00

I’m a part of several singles groups on Facebook, I’ve noticed way more skinny shaming on social media in general. Basically, there’s a lot of virtue signaling that a “real man/woman” is supposed to be thick, big, etc (skinny is viewed as weak, un-masculine, undesirable, etc.). I live in Houston, Texas for reference.

Itburns12345 · 2021-10-18T08:51:23+00:00

For single women its tied to the rise of OLD and its badly altered perceptions , women need to grasp the sort of guy whod be embarassed to seen chatting you up in a club or dating you will be as sweet as sugar online to screw you. 10s will sleep.with 2-3s by the dozen but theyl never actualy date one .

This of course can warp an obesse girls perception of what she can land as a long term partner because some chad used her as his plan c on a weekend

For single men its a death sentence ...unless you can demonstrate of the 4 either a) decent wealth b) are obesse but huge like a bouncer or c) impeccable grooming , clothes choices and overall game 24/7 d) fame.... then most gals will treat you like you are invisible or an always pal!!!

hopeidontforget2021 · 2021-10-18T06:07:07+00:00

I guess the same kind of person that can see themselves get obese without feeling like they're in a horror movie is the same person that can eventually shack up with another obese person.

It probably forces higher quality men into a smaller dating pool. In earlier generations a low educated/lower class woman could probably snag a wealthier/higher quality guy on the virtue of at least looking well kept.

Now physical looks are highly tied to social class/education so it keeps everyone in their lanes. (Assortative mating has definitely increased over the years, so I'm not completely pulling this out of my ass..

I honestly don't have any close friends that are fat or have gotten fat and we're all hitting 30 at this point. We've only gotten more in shape and have never considered fat people in terms of dating prospects even for a second.

Obesity is more of a public health issue before anything else. People are quite fit in East Asian countries like Japan/South Korea but there are clearly more important things that serve as obstacles to relationships and family formation..

ChibsFilipTelfordd · 2021-10-18T10:05:40+00:00

Obesity = more single people. In fact, I'd argue a "large" (lol) proportion of the 30% of the sexless men in the past year from that study are obese. If i had to guess at least 80% of that 30%. You do have your 6% total of men who are just god awfully ugly and have shit rolls of the genetic dice, but to be quite honest almost every really foreveralone guy i know is single because he's fat. And ofc women who are obese face the opposite problem: ugly or average men (not top men unlike what some RPs say. If you can ever hookup w a good looking girl then i promise, obese women will become worse than useless for you), who fuck a fatty because they're horny or bored but wouldn't be caught DEAD with them at a party or on their arm.

Trying to find love is a lot easier when your body is loveable. Take it from the resident PPD former fatty crusader against fat people.

Fat negatively impacts your face, terribly so.

As for fitness in men? There are so few gym rats left (19% ish as per Statista who get sufficient exercise, let alone are ripped like a model) that fitness isn't a necessity to get girls. Not being fat puts you at top 28%, LOL!

cowfishAreReal · 2021-10-18T05:27:32+00:00

I've never seen any compeling evidence that obesity is affecting dating and marriage. The US is obviously one of the countries with the highest obesity rate, and the amount of people getting married has declined, but some countries with way less obesity than the US have had steeper declines such as Japan and South Korea. The same way, there are countries with very high marriage rates such as countries in the middle east that also have much less obesity than the US. So it doesn't seem that obesity rate is correlated to marriage rates.

toasterchild · 2021-10-18T11:36:20+00:00

It's just another thing you have to make up for. I see plenty of fat people in really happy relationships but they all tend to have really good personalities. The small handful of people i know with no action are fat and have boring personalities.

Definitely don't be fat if you lack any social skills.

yungthrowaway97 · 2021-10-18T13:55:16+00:00

[permanently deleted]

purplish_possum · 2021-10-18T08:48:50+00:00

The whole obesity thing has been way overblown. The average person has gained about 15 or 20 pounds -- not 200. Looking at my daughters' school yearbooks to mine from more than 40 years ago it's clear that while hairstyles have changed a lot people haven't.

rivetcitymayor · 2021-10-18T09:03:48+00:00

I think the whole obesity thing is only outside of big cities and no it has no effect on dating

SaBahRub · 2021-10-18T14:25:40+00:00

Didn’t you get enough answers here?

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/oqcgyj/is_obesity_more_of_a_problem_for_male

MrShakedown1 · 2021-10-18T14:38:50+00:00

How do you feel?

Fat

BigRedStick · 2021-10-18T19:09:49+00:00

More chubby girls to fuck 🤤

freebird1811 · 2021-10-18T23:06:48+00:00

Meh, there is no excuse for men to stay fat. I am going to a gym next month and start my transformation. I know there is a warrior in every single man so its a shame if we stay fat and let people mock us and exclude us.

g0juice · 2021-10-18T23:50:35+00:00

What standardless puke is banging these morbidly obeasts

DaphneDK42 · 2021-10-18T06:41:45+00:00

Still others point out that obesity makes it difficult for even an obese person to find another obese person sufficiently attractive to bother pairing up.

I always wondered why people think people who have a negative traits believe they would look past that in other people. You always see it with short dudes being bitter and angry at short women for finding tall men attractive. Of course fat people find other fat people no less unattractive than fit people find fat people unattractive.

In any case, being fat hurts women more than men, since women are more reliant on their looks in general. Men have other parametres they can emphasize, but if you are a fat woman it doesn't matter how much money is in your bank, how self-confident you are, how many people you boss over - you are still just a fat woman. Although, women can carry a few extra kilos better than men can. Ample/chubby (not fat) women can still be attractive.

Fat people have impacted marriage less, because young people are still of a relatively healthy size. I think the fat explosion is mainly concentrated in older people (+30), which tend to already be married.

Incidentally, the USA seem to have gone really ape shit over the whole corona thingy. Which does seem to have hit the USA relatively hard. But one of the reasons it has hit so hard in the USA is because you are so fucking fat, and Covid is very bad if you are fat. It really boggles my mind that you have not taken this opportunity to address this central issue. Pushing lockdowns, vaccine mandates, social distancing, masks on kids - everything except slimming the fuck down.

gofigure62 · 2021-10-18T13:11:04+00:00

Fat is becoming the new normal. I've seen enough fat and obese people in relationships to know it isn't an absolute deal breaker.

Prior to dating my ex, I didn't care if a guy wasn't as fit as me or had a little bit of a beer belly. As long as I was attracted to him.

Now, It does matter to me. So Personally, fitness does matter. The guy doesn't have to be jacked or even lean, but eating healthy and regular exercise should be apart of his lifestyle.

Ok_Razzmatazz_1751 · 2021-10-18T08:01:22+00:00

https://youtube.com/shorts/GWYGbR9VS_U?feature=share

Lol found this earlier. Giving fat dudes hell .

LLL3peat · 2021-10-18T14:30:16+00:00

Fat men don’t want fat women, fat women don’t want fat men. A fat women can have sex by a high percentage of men, but a fat man won’t have sex with a high percentage of women. I’ve been a part of this. Go from 30% body fat to always being a best friend and no action to 13% and having previous people who made you friends only to people fighting over you for becoming not fat. Go back to fat and you disappear. They check in from time to time if you lost weight again.

The body positivity movement was more of a self esteem thing, but was taken way out of control in my perspective. The fitter people will always succeed. The older I get the more true it gets.

Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels - Kate Moss. She was shamed publicly by women, eating disorder specialists, and the HAES movement, but being skinny is living in a completely different world than being fat. Get your macros, be active for health, get your body fat percentage where it needs to be to be attractive + sustainable, live a life where you are a lot happier and opportunities just gravitate towards you.

Hoopy223 · 2021-10-18T15:03:00+00:00

I can only speak for myself but when I see hot fit women running around its motivation for me to put in effort. When they are mostly “not-fit” I get lazy and don’t bother with dating etc. Most guys are probably like me in that regard.

Gari_305 · 2021-10-18T13:26:13+00:00

Ever tried to eat a girl out while she's obese and feeling the heat and sweat coming off what's under neath her belly?

Yeah them females need to run (lookin @ the sistas) also

M_LaSalle · 2021-10-18T09:20:33+00:00

How much did the eruption of Vesuvius affect Pompeii? How much did that atom bomb affect Hiroshima?

Large numbers of women have made themselves physically repulsive.* No man wants them. He might fuck them, but he doesn't want them.

This affects the relative SMV of large numbers of men and women in ways not conducive to a healthy society. Entire books cold be written on the resulting ill effects.

*The topic of how large numbers of men have rendered themselves updateable/unfuckable , and they have, will be covered another time. In the meantime, don't bother replying to this with some version of "Large numbers of men are icky too, niener niener niener" You will not be taken seriously, by me, or much of anyone else.

GuitarsBack · 2021-10-18T10:04:36+00:00

Some would say that given genders are roughly similar in obesity rates, this balances itself out so there is no impact.

That might be true, but I just don't see it. I know far more overweight women than overweight men. And far more overweight men that carry their weight well than women.

There's also the argument that even though we are more obese than ever, the most fit are more beautiful and fitter than ever

That's certainly true.

The obesity crisis hit us later here in Germany and when I look back at the 90s, I just want to die.

Yes, the top end is much more attractive now than back then. But the average was way slimmer. What's considered chubby today would have been considered fat back then.

I don't gaf about statistics. It's so obvious to me that nobody could convince me that there hasn't been a big change.

I don't see how this could not have affected dating.

xFallacyx69 · 2021-10-18T12:21:48+00:00

For women… very little. For men, you have to fuck more fat chicks if you’re average.

There’s a reason I picture an obese chick every time I think about an OLD profile with “No hookups!! Serious inquiries only!!” in the bio…

globalholiday5090 · 2021-10-18T13:00:13+00:00

Even obese people prefer fit bodies generally. So I think it will cause both genders to pair up less because people think their own flaws can be forgiven more than they are willing to accept the flaws of another even when it is the identical flaw.

SouthernGrass3 · 2021-10-18T21:56:58+00:00

Male attractiveness is more polarized than ever and the smv gap between mid-range men and mid-range women has gotten bigger since men retain more lust for chubby women than women do for chubby men. Fit, top men have probably never had more pull.

fdslied2U · 2021-10-19T03:49:29+00:00

Its made dating standards for women incredibly low.

TodTheRod01 · 2021-10-20T01:49:02+00:00

One of the problems a survey/research showed, is fat/obese women don't want their looksmatch in men....they want and expect normal to fit

IcarusKiki · 2021-10-20T02:27:46+00:00

I dont think it has at all. Most fat people are older and beyond their sexy dating years and got comfy with each other.

WilliamWyattD · 2021-10-20T10:03:15+00:00

Mass female obesity is an offshoot of their complete lack of desire for and to impress the average American man

And the fact that there are decent looking men lying down with these women just proves just how desperate and de facto incel the average western male is

AutoModerator · 2021-10-18T05:21:19+00:00

Attention!

You can post off topic/jokes/puns as a comment to this Automoderator message.
For "CMV" and "Question for X" Threads: Parent comments that aren't from the target group will be removed, along with their child replies.
If you want to agree with OP instead of challenging their view or if the question is not targeted at you, post it as an answer to this comment.
OP you can choose your own flair according to these guidelines., just press Flair under your post!

Thanks for your cooperation and enjoy the discussion!

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

Danielcraigboston1 · 2021-10-18T14:06:23+00:00

Ha, I was going to post a question like this today! Deja vu!

yungthrowaway97 · 2021-10-18T14:10:44+00:00

I think it probably causes guys to be bitter, more than women. I don't think it is as hard to achieve an attractive body as a woman as it is a man. Underweight all the way to slightly fat is attractive to a good portion of men. As a guy if you are skinny, skinnyfat, fat, or obese your options go down. Imagine actually struggling to get matches at a healthy weight as a guy. Nowadays when I go to the gym there have been multiple occasions I've heard teens and young 20s guys talking about SARMs. Kid's are literally taking research chemicals to get attractive male bodies.

MelisandreStokes · 2021-10-18T14:53:02+00:00

So this sub operates under the assumption that the “sexual marketplace” is a real thing? Sorry I’m kinda new, just trying to get my bearings

Ohmaygahh · 2021-10-18T17:45:21+00:00

Absolutely it has effected it, and not for the better! We're already dealing with a turning point of society with income and education, this is a horrible wrench

Title	How has the obesity epidemic affected the sexual market place and marriage?
Author	WilliamWyattD
Upvotes	73
Comments	183
Date	October 18, 2021 5:21 AM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/qag375/how_has_the_obesity_epidemic_affected_the_sexual/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/PurplePillDebate/how-has-the-obesity-epidemic-affected-the-sexual.1078888 https://theredarchive.com/post/1078888

Comments