I can’t remember who said it, “once things get difficult feminists will change their tone and try to bargain and bring men to their side.

Paltry_Poetaster · 2022-05-09T20:29:06+00:00

Men are cool if they're useful, is the gist.

shit-zen-giggles · 2022-05-09T23:22:22+00:00

These posts underline the point of

you are never working with feminists, you're only ever working for feminists

CAVFIFTEEN · 2022-05-10T00:03:18+00:00

This is why the bodily autonomy argument doesn’t work and the “kill all men” crowd need to shut up.

Simply put, pro choice should mean pro choice for EVERYONE regardless of gender. People who can become pregnant should not be forced to carry a fetus to term, but at the same time, people who can impregnate should not be forced into responsibility for a child they didn’t want either. Especially since yes, women can rape men too. And don’t get me started on things like paternal fraud or any other pregnancy coercion (which is still a form of rape)

TracyMorganFreeman · 2022-05-09T23:20:22+00:00

Roe V Wade was a ruling from an all male SCOTUS. The first female Justice was O'Connor, who was pro life.

Men's opinions are only valid to them if they agree; if they disagree they're just sexist. If women disagree they're internalizing their sexism.

Aimless-Nomad · 2022-05-09T20:39:15+00:00

GTFO. We can't be monsters and your allies whenever its convenient. Fight your own fucking battles.

CaptainPrestedge · 2022-05-09T20:28:32+00:00

We have no reproductive rights, women decide our fate without mercy, even when our seed is stolen. Let them fight their own battles...

Horror_Share4866 · 2022-05-09T20:23:37+00:00

No uterus , no need to pay for child support.

Oz70NYC · 2022-05-09T23:57:09+00:00

Liz Plank is a piece of shit. Bitch shafted my boy out of $14k. He owns a small cleaning company that employs 8, 6 women and 2 guys. He got a contract to service the building one of her offices is in, until she found out the company was owned by a man. She basically threatened building management that if they didn't find another company female owned, she'd break her lease. Needless to say, they nuked the contract and by boy lost out on a guaranteed $14k for a 2 month gig. So yea, fuck her and the horse she rode in on.

JayMeadows · 2022-05-09T22:30:37+00:00

Oh, NOW you want our help?

TextDependent6779 · 2022-05-09T20:32:28+00:00

behind millions of men is a heartbreaking story of regret over never getting to see their child.

yes, i want women to have abortion rights, but to pretend like all men benefit from abortion is foolish. how many countless men have been left emotionally destroyed after learning their partner was pregnant only to learn she's going to have an abortion?

NextStopMyAss · 2022-05-10T01:18:36+00:00

They've spent the last 50+ years turning abortion into a male vs. female issue. Feminist communities are still portraying this as something that men did to them. This is despite the fact that abortion is an issue markedly split right down the middle in the genders. Depending on the survey, in many cases women are more pro-life than men.

Like, I honestly don't think they're willing to say that pro-life women's words matter more than pro-choice men's words. But pointing the finger at men takes priority over this fight for reproductive rights apparently.

awhatfor · 2022-05-10T05:18:54+00:00

Noone is saying it, but, if the argument is "because their partner got an abortion". First, this strangely resembles the pro-life argument (succesfull people cuz their parents didnt abort or something) (what if the person you are talking too actually wanted a baby that was aborted and now his life is shit?).

But also... Are we gonna talk about reproductive rights? The DUDE in the second pic "men were saved from an unwanted fatherhood because their partner was able to have an abortion". "Saved" is the key word here, the woman actually saved them out of her own grace, because the man had no word on it.

More like men were saved by a like-minded partner/woman. What if the woman is not like-minded, or its a "pregnant rape"? Aren't we gonna talk about that? Reminds me of when they refused to get woman conscription with the argument "noone should get conscripted" and how that ended.

They are bargaining with their self-hate of males, not with actual males.

jerryrenault69 · 2022-05-09T23:35:00+00:00

They are like snakes.

Oblivious_Hikikomori · 2022-05-09T21:33:37+00:00

Male contraceptives are going to sell like hot cakes...

TheSpaceDuck · 2022-05-10T01:47:11+00:00

Also let's not forget it's "no uterus, no opinion" when it comes to women's reproductive rights but "no uterus, you're still responsible" when it comes to men not having reproductive rights.

Men are supposed to not have a choice, be responsible to the choice they don't have, and have no say in the matter. But remember, "feminism fights for men too"™.

Dry-Pianist1853 · 2022-05-09T23:01:35+00:00

Nah, bitch this is your fight.

StingRayFins · 2022-05-09T22:23:24+00:00

Leave men alone. Y'all are all strong and independent and don't need no man.

OldSamVimes · 2022-05-09T23:37:37+00:00

I benefited because abortion allowed me to fuck away with abandon and not have to worry about any real personal consequences!

...is that the kind of thing they're expecting?

DirtyPartyMan · 2022-05-09T21:51:25+00:00

I have no opinion as I’m male and I have been assured many times I have nothing to contribute.

As it’s not my body, it’s not my choice.

kindly motions to the bridge burned years ago

Also: Vasectomies rock.

jmac323 · 2022-05-09T21:05:00+00:00

Hey, Fellas, as long as you say the right shit, you can speak.

ragnarrock714 · 2022-05-10T06:35:57+00:00

And how many men have lost their unborn child because the mother wanted an abortion, or the opposite - she had the child and charged him child support although they never intended to procreate

Professional_Key4166 · 2022-05-10T02:54:30+00:00

Hell no, you don't negotiate with terrorists

Nova-Sila · 2022-05-10T11:16:29+00:00

I love how entitled they think they are to the point they believe as to who should have an opinion. These women need to wake tf up and accept reality.

Truth_anxiety · 2022-05-10T12:07:38+00:00

I wouldn't piss on a feminist on 🔥

Traditional_Job2467 · 2022-05-10T12:53:11+00:00

Use it against them on saying Trans people who transition from female to male lost their opinion!

LTDlimited · 2022-05-10T13:15:13+00:00

"No Uterus no opinion!!!!!1!"
*Ableist against women who've had hysterectomies\*
"Being forced to bear children makes us literally slaves to the state!"
*Votes for wars that may result in a draft she's immune to\*
"It's not fair that ED meds are covered by insurance but my morning after pills aren't"
*Ignores that logically, one if fixing something that's broken, the other is breaking a bodily function working as intended\*
"Men can get pregnant, TRANSPHOBE"
*Tells men to shut up because they can't get pregnant\*

NewAccount479909632 · 2022-05-10T16:35:36+00:00

“Men are only allowed to have opinions when they agree with us, also if women disagree with us it’s becuase they have internalized misogyny and their opinion is irrelevant.”

angerproblemsTM · 2022-05-09T22:09:46+00:00

Are men not on our side? I feel like most men are pro-choice

RandoCaljizzian69 · 2022-05-09T22:37:22+00:00

I'll be right there with them when they stop cutting off the ends of baby boy dicks, just because... (I'm all for abortion, but I'm not about to be a public ally to any feminist initiative of any kind - and I've been to the abortion clinic three times)

Jbr74 · 2022-05-09T22:20:08+00:00

Nah… You don’t need any man right? Fight your own damn fight.

Banned_On_Facebook · 2022-05-10T00:36:44+00:00

Men, help us fight for our so-called right to abort your babies without your input!

Ornery-Lengthiness24 · 2022-05-09T23:37:17+00:00

I miss the part where that's my problem

rabel111 · 2022-05-10T00:52:18+00:00

I've supported the rights of others, marginalised individuals or groups, over my entire life. Not because it was of any benefit for me, but because it was the right thing to do.

Over that time, none of the individuals or groups I've helped support have offered any support for men's rights (with a very few individual exceptions).

I will no longer support the rights of any marginalised group, unless they have demonstrated (not just stated) support for men's rights, and refrained from supporting hate speech that targets men and boys.

So far as abortion goes, right or wrong is not a montivating factor. I only care about how abortion impacts men and boys. That comes under the umbrella of reproductive rights for men and boys, and feminists are the most vocal group opposed to those rights.

So bugga off.

LettuceBeGrateful · 2022-05-10T04:18:55+00:00

I'm staunchly pro-choice, but goddamn is it frustrating to be told for a decade that "it's not WOMEN'S responsibility to solve MEN'S problems," only for them to turn around and call any man who doesn't passionately fight for them hateful garbage.

Brownslogservice · 2022-05-10T06:33:02+00:00

We had an unexpected pregnancy but didnt abort our kid and though things didnt work out between us we still take care of him and coparent.

I doubt thats what they wanted to hear.

CreamZebra · 2022-05-09T21:54:50+00:00

But men will never truly be obsolete, because women don't want construction jobs.

gorgonrock · 2022-05-09T22:22:28+00:00

Fuck ‘em. They’re made of paper.

truetie1 · 2022-05-09T23:15:23+00:00

Sick of being manipulated by these entitled sycophants, fuck off

Temporary_Spend_3111 · 2022-05-10T01:23:27+00:00

Im still pro choice however i do find dark humor in the hypocrisy of sexual responsability between men and women.

Hermesmann vs seyer for example. Enough said

matrixislife · 2022-05-09T22:22:25+00:00

Had this exact discussion with someone last week, who was insisting that they didn't need support from men. Well ok then, off you go.

DaSchmoetzer · 2022-05-10T07:40:18+00:00

Tbf abortion is a topic for both sides. Like it or not, but humanity only exists because males and females reproduce.

I can relate to the logic, that men shouldn't be the one to decide what a woman can or cannot do with her body.

But on the other hand, a man shouldn't be asked to pay if the woman wants to keep the baby, although he doesn't want to become a father.

I am totally pro abortion and here is why:

I guess we can all agree, that there are cases of brutally raped women, who got impregnated. Which means, there is something growing inside a raped woman, that will be a great reminder of one of the worst situation she ever had experienced in life. Her life was shattered by this act and this thing in her belly, is a reminder of pure powerlessness and horror.

What most people forget besides this horrific event, is the birthright of the baby, if she has to keep it.

Its birthright would be growing in the belly of a psychological damaged woman, which lives with depression, fear, trauma, stress and anxiety. The shock is graved deep into her bones and greatly affects her physiology. Nightmares, huge frequent output of stresshormons, sleep deprivation, compromised ingestion and digestion.

You can say what you want, but the emotional damage and physical stress will be passed to the "baby" every single day it grows in the belly.

Every single day.... It isn't even born yet, but everyday it gets overwhelmed during its growth by the aftermath of the horrific event its mother experienced. This is pure cruelty.

How could anyone think, that such circumstances are healthy for a growing fetus? How could anyone think, that a child born, not out of love but out of pure horror, is a precious contribution for society/humanity? Abortion isn't a sin, it can be an act of mercy.

I agree to the fact that having an abortion, shouldn't be as easy as making an order at the FastFood restaurant next door (imagine living in a world with abortion clinic franchises called "Fetus Deletus" with casual daily abortions).

But, seriously... I am absolutely against the fact that a woman should keep an unwanted parasite, that was forcefully planted inside of her.

Edit:

I mostly despise opinions of new era femnazis, but this topic is also important for men and based women.

RunningGoofy · 2022-05-10T09:36:17+00:00

As a woman, this is embarrassing. This is the reason I'm not part of r/TwoXChromosomes but instantly joined r/MensRights

You guys talk sense! I hope I can take shelter here from the absurdity that is those of my own gender.

Sillimant · 2022-05-10T11:45:49+00:00

"You can have an opinion if you agree with me" Checks out

McKUltra22 · 2022-05-10T11:52:16+00:00

They only want your opinion when you agree with them

And if you do have a uterus and disagree with them then it gets complicated

jinladen040 · 2022-05-10T12:18:51+00:00

Manipulative tactics

_LordBread_ · 2022-05-10T16:14:02+00:00

Lol yeah not my fight

henkdetweede · 2022-05-10T18:19:38+00:00

Dw men can become women now so we should be able to have a say in it

seraph85 · 2022-05-10T19:44:58+00:00

Prolife people aren't arguing that there is no benefit in abortion. If your kid comes out autistic or in some way will never be able to care for themselves it would sure be a benefit to you to just kill em. But we have laws and value human life so we don't allow it despite the convenience there would be.

dungeonmonkey69 · 2022-05-10T02:22:40+00:00

Not my body, not my problem. I don't really care about abortion and if they wanna do it, fine. Not going out of my way to help them though. None of them fight for getting rid of the draft or abolishing child support for a child we have zero say over though so fk em

springy · 2022-05-10T06:46:39+00:00

Weird how feminists are all TERFs when it comes to abortion. Suddenly, being a woman is about biology rather than a man in a dress "identifying" as woman.

Yamochao · 2022-05-10T01:35:15+00:00

It's wild to me that this sub constantly compares sentiments from different people as if it's a single person expressing hypocritical contradictions.

Different people have different sentiments... What's surprising about this...?

xTheVyrusx · 2022-05-10T02:25:27+00:00

If all men collectively decided in the favor of feminism to get vasectomies or refuse sex the backlash of men screaming “My Body, My Choice” would have them on their heels begging for us to come back to the plantation. Feminists and women in general would be quick to negotiate a truce to lure men back to dumpsterville aka society.

Iceman_Hottie · 2022-05-10T04:31:56+00:00

Because integrity is not a part of their worldview, and they will disgard men as soon as it becomes inconvenient. Kind of the reason I point out the philosophy of things.

Then_Ad9408 · 2022-05-10T06:35:24+00:00

Let them get even more desperate

ThrowawayGhostGuy1 · 2022-05-10T07:30:53+00:00

Don’t take their words at face value. Their only opinion is “not man = good.” They’ll use any tactic or human shield to push that narrative. That’s why they yell “my body my choice” but force circumcision on their sons, force child support on men they trapped, and push vaccine mandates.

2022-05-10T00:39:06+00:00

Behind every successful abortion is a person who never got the chance to be successful.

Melkor7410 · 2022-05-09T20:33:41+00:00

I wonder if BrokeAssStuart is broke because of forced fatherhood which existed during Roe v. Wade...

FactsArentHate · 2022-05-10T02:22:16+00:00

Those evil wenches just Do Not Fucking GET IT. They're never going to get it; because then they'd have to admit that men deserve the same decisions they get to make after sex happens too. Women are willing to die on this hill, and die on it their Privileges will...

McFeely_Smackup · 2022-05-10T03:34:41+00:00

They're not hearing enough from men who were saved from unwanted fatherhood by an abortion... Because there is no such man. Those men were saved from unwanted fatherhood by the whim of a woman who didn't want to be a mother.

Do you want to hear from the countless men who were forced into unwanted fatherhood by women who had all the rights, and felt entitled to force their will onto men?

thunderstorm-nigg · 2022-05-10T03:18:48+00:00

It's common for left in general

They first said something similar about gays "two consenting ADULTS can do anything they want in the privacy of their home "

Now it's like " if you don't want your child to learn (brainwashed) from a transsexual Demi human then you're a nazi "

GnomeChompy · 2022-05-10T01:15:38+00:00

We can totally use this to our advantage guys. Hawk that paper abortion concept as much as you can, were in the perfect position.

Terrible_Departure90 · 2022-05-10T02:53:20+00:00

We can only have an opinion if we support, just oozes toxicity.

Awkward-Push136 · 2022-05-10T14:08:45+00:00

Ah yes because two dichotomous posts are representative of the net opinion of all women

Zombieland20 · 2022-05-10T05:02:28+00:00

Ha this is obviously aimed squarely at the republican bible bashing governors and senator that forced their mistress to get the abortion. 🤦‍♂️

rn7889 · 2022-05-10T11:02:11+00:00

I just don’t get why everyone is being so stupid about this. All it’s doing is delegating power to the states.

theatrewhore · 2022-05-10T12:28:39+00:00

I’m not sure you understand what an opinion is

boomboxspence · 2022-05-10T12:32:41+00:00

What about the men who've had their baby killed due to abortion?

ThePickleOfJustice · 2022-05-10T20:26:56+00:00

And abortion doesn't save men from unwanted children anyway. There's 4 scenarios:

Both parents want the baby. With or without abortion, the baby is born and both parents are happy.
She wants the baby and he doesn't. With our without abortion, the baby is born and he's stuck with child support.
He wants the baby and she doesn't. With abortion, the baby is aborted and he misses out on a fatherhood he wanted. Without abortion, he gets to enjoy fatherhood and receive child support from the mother.
Neither parent wants the child. With abortion, the child is aborted and no one becomes a parent against their will. Without abortion, the child is put up for adoption and no one becomes a parent against their will.

The only scenario in which the man is better off with abortion being illegal is the one where he wants the baby and she doesn't. There is no situation where an abortion saves a father from unwanted parenthood where an adoption does not accomplish the exact same outcome.

filled0 · 2022-05-10T02:48:07+00:00

Deep down they know they need a big swinging dick to affect the real world in any major way.

JaxJags904 · 2022-05-10T12:36:57+00:00

God this subreddit gets worse and worse.

proteios1 · 2022-05-10T01:19:40+00:00

Benefitted? Yes. But if I am OK ending a life for my comfort and convenience - to be wealthy - then I think that I am in the same boat as anyone else who sacrifices others for their benefit. I might as well profit from war, or profit from allowing other people to be healthy. I see no reason why I shouldnt risk anyone else such that I may thrive. Sounds like Putin or Mao...it doesnt sound tolerant, compassionate or inclusive. Certainly no equality or equity here. Just unadulterated selfishness. So, yes. I could brag of the benefits abortion afforded me, as a man. Definitely, through the suffering of that poor woman whose name I dont even remember. Whose life may be destroyed, altered, relationships damaged for life...but Im doing great! I still dont think that is cool. In fact, it isnt cool. But yes. Abortion is a male invention. For men - by men. THe fact women accepted this scam is quite amazing.

swaiuk · 2022-05-10T04:24:20+00:00

You know that, like any group, feminists are not a single hive-mind? Cherry-picking examples from the two extremes doesn't actually mean anything.

Theraria · 2022-05-10T10:42:11+00:00

I'm from the UK. In my opinion, abortion should not be illegal. There are many reasons for an abortion from teenagers being dumb to health problems.

For example, my wife has a condition where the treatment makes it super dangerous to get pregnant again. If her implant failed. 1000% we would get an abortion.

Pecuthegreat · 2022-05-10T10:57:29+00:00

I mean, how does over turning if Roe vs Wade promote Men's rights?.

Unless if you're Pro-Life, this is only good to remember that Feminists are hypocrites and we shouldn't be tied into their battles but aside from that, this doesn't matter to men's rights.

Taylor862 · 2022-05-10T14:43:37+00:00

I mean, when Roe v Wade is overturned yeah, women will need help from men because their rights are being taken away and they don’t have power over their bodies or a say in policy. Things are getting pretty detrimental for women right now in America. Not just for “feminists” but for all women.

MyFavoriteDinoSpino · 2022-05-10T15:39:39+00:00

I mean women should have a right to their body. There are lots of people who die because they were forced to keep a baby their body couldn’t handle giving birth to.

ebplinth · 2022-05-10T01:42:53+00:00

Political groups changing tactics?! Ohh God such evil femoids!!!

Chill out bro.

hudibrastic · 2022-05-10T06:25:30+00:00

Wait, so they are saying the outcome of this decision also affects men?

Not so much muhhh body hun?

Icy-Start5536 · 2022-05-10T08:40:26+00:00

Feminists are still women - failed ones, unattractive ones, low-value ones whatever, they're still women - so lo' and behold they will adopt female tactics in time of trouble, including seduction and sex-bait.

combs1945a · 2022-05-09T21:16:20+00:00

Yep if you have a uterus you should not have an opionion

kona_worldwaker · 2022-05-09T23:14:34+00:00

I'm all for men's rights because I'm for equal rights. If we don't fight for women's rights, how do you expect them to fight for ours? People saying things like "fight your own battles" but so offended when women would say the same things about our rights. How about we just be decent and agree the overturning of Roe v Wade is atrocious instead of turning a fight for equality into blatant misogyny?

ainokissa · 2022-05-10T17:24:40+00:00

Imo, everyone has a right to an opinion but men’s opinions don’t matter to me in the abortion debate

xxxxxXgenericnameXx · 2022-05-10T05:58:27+00:00

But men can me woman too!!!

President-EIect · 2022-05-10T02:08:45+00:00

It is a shame that they need to.

PM-ME-YOUR-MEGUMIN · 2022-05-09T23:22:51+00:00

Oh no feminists want help from male allies! That's a bad thing because feminists once said this!

Bro this subreddit is fucking cringe.

LOAHS · 2022-05-10T04:34:49+00:00

I agree with the second one.

droden · 2022-05-10T10:44:21+00:00

That image macro is very trans phobic. Men can be women too.

IVIaskerade · 2022-05-10T11:52:08+00:00

You shouldn't let the state decide your life! Instead we should have that power!

Mmmmmmmno

doomsday1021 · 2022-05-10T13:37:27+00:00

Last time I checked there are 360,000,000 people in the United States roughly. Nearly 55% of them are women. That means 198,000,000 are women in the United States.

Last time I checked only 2% of women in the United States get an abortion and within that same 2% of women they are people who often repeat getting abortions. Meaning they do it multiple times.

That being said the people we see protesting against outlawing abortions are mostly teenagers. Highschool kids and college students. Why are we allowing women who aren’t even legal adults let alone legally eligible to even vote on policy or even representatives demand and shout out actual adult voices and adults who actually are affected by this?

Just because you give birth to the child doesn’t mean that the father shouldn’t have a voice and it takes two to make a child. The people who are demanding abortion remain legal are the same people who never get abortions to begin with so why must they have a voice? It makes little to no sense in reality that they should determine everything for convenience of their lives but consider an unborn baby a parasite or the life of what the father thinks in the situation. (Again not all abortion cases are bad but the majority of abortion cases are false pretenses of women who just don’t want the responsibility out of convenience or want to avoid responsibility for their own actions during wetlock).

2022-05-10T15:59:58+00:00

Por el interes te quiero Andres

Tatrer · 2022-05-10T16:04:16+00:00

I thought that was a hate symbol a couple years ago

Neko404 · 2022-05-10T17:51:45+00:00

While i have no doubt that men have benefited from abortions, but i am sorry, feminists have spent the last several years beating me over the head telling me that i don't get a say in this so i am saying nothing.

bakedpotato486 · 2022-05-10T17:52:39+00:00

Why does that graphic feature two white-power hand gestures?

Quicksilver-Ottergen · 2022-05-10T17:58:14+00:00

I understand the no uterus no opinion thing because that makes sense. But it went in a downward spiral from there.

CaptColten · 2022-05-10T18:24:46+00:00

Okay, but on what planet do I get my reproductive rights by taking them away from someone else? Like we all agree that we want more reproductive rights, fairer court systems, end of paternity fraud, dont snip baby dicks, all that, right? How do you get to that by taking away someone else's right to choose? I just can't see it as a step in the right direction. And while the hypocrisy is obviously there, if you heard "no uterus, no opinion" and thought, "actually that one effects me too, and I'd like a say in it" but now you're laughing at this and saying fight your own battles, you're a hypocrit too, and frankly the reason that people hear Mens Rights and think incelWhen did it become a zero sum game? How does this not lead to more paternity fraud and more men paying unfair amounts of child support? Like this is a good thing for "both sides" (read people), or am I crazy?

hehimCA · 2022-05-10T19:21:44+00:00

Thanks for quoting the dumbass Stuart from SF. Perfect.

pmallon · 2022-05-10T20:17:31+00:00

At least she realized it's not the right thing to do. A discussion could begin if they would at least own up to what they are asking for. It's only cells, it's just a fetus, blah blah blah. It's killing an unborn child, you condone it, so own it.

Ok-Cherry-537 · 2022-05-11T01:53:42+00:00

F ‘em.

ChadWolf98 · 2022-05-14T11:14:12+00:00

I am shouting as loud as they are. Just not the message they want to hear.

prolife

nelsonicrage · 2022-05-31T20:54:13+00:00

I'd bet there are a whole lot more "fellas" out there who were fucked over by having actually zero say in the fate of their children than there are "fellas" who are happy with the current system and thankful for a past abortion.

I can’t remember who said it, “once things get difficult feminists will change their tone and try to bargain and bring men to their side.

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