"Straight men, if you want to find love you’ll need to do better"

octalanax · 2022-08-20T04:49:31+00:00

"Have you tried being rich, tall, popular, and attractive?"

Hey that's good advice! Why didn't I think of that?

TheSnesLord · 2022-08-20T00:03:26+00:00

"Responding to the article via Twitter are a number of men who insist that women are “too picky” and have “double standards”. They claim that they actually have great personalities, and that women just don’t want to date them because they aren’t good looking."

This is actually 100% true. The author of that article also doesn't deny it. Instead, she blames men for thinking that way, despite the fact that it is exactly this shallowness from modern women that has caused men to think like this.

"So, single straight men, it’s time to look inwards, buck up and treat women right."

As expected, the obnoxious and insufferable sentence at the end.

TracyMorganFreeman · 2022-08-20T00:51:57+00:00

"Emotionally available" sounds like code for "emotionally accommodating".

When I was in my 20s being honest and forthright about my thoughts and expectations made me "an asshole", even though I did not insult or personally attack them.

"Share similar values" is a two way street. This expectation that men are the only ones who need to step up when you're just not compatible is telling.

liberalbutnotcrazy · 2022-08-20T01:50:07+00:00

Why in the ever loving fuck is this article on Yahoo Sports?

63daddy · 2022-08-20T00:20:50+00:00

If we want men to meet women’s higher standards, then we need to stop prioritizing girls and women over males in education.

The author also states many things not supported by evidence. He claims because many dating apps have more female profiles, men must be lonely. The male to female profiles on some dating apps isn’t a good measure of dating overall for a number of reasons and just because a man is single, doesn’t mean he’s lonely.

The overall reaction by men is they are happy to stay dibble rather than date and marry down. As the article even states, it’s women who are most frustrated they can’t find a msn to meet their high standards. Funny how this gets twisted into men having to change.

NeoVidia · 2022-08-19T23:10:38+00:00

Articles like this are still so far away from the core problem. Men have a lot of issues with depression, abuse and suicide etc. Obviously they don’t make great partners but instead of just doing the equivalent of “man up” they should be looking into why men have so many issues in the first place. Which leads to the fact that everyone seems to undermine men’s issues. Just like this article is doing.

g1455ofwater · 2022-08-19T23:47:16+00:00

Imagine this line of thinking for other problems.

If women want to be paid more and become CEOs they'll have to do better.

If you don't want to have problems with the police you'll have to do better.

If Ukraine doesn't like what Russia is doing they'll have to do better.

If you don't want to starve to death you'll have to do better.

If you live in poverty in a bad economy you'll have to do better.

Can't pay your college loans, do better and stop being a poor.

RearwindowPinecone · 2022-08-19T23:19:23+00:00

be tall,short kings

traveller1976 · 2022-08-20T03:12:56+00:00

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heeroena · 2022-08-20T02:10:40+00:00

Plow horses needed

NoTrueScotswoman69 · 2022-08-20T05:50:52+00:00

This is so hateful it's unreal but my favourite part is the usage of "The straight man" in the same way that racists would use "the black man" or "the Asian man" when rattling off their tropes.

Miserable_Payment_mr · 2022-08-20T05:13:05+00:00

I don't think we should engage with articles like this. My first take is that it's a trap constructed to make the defendant, in this case men, argue themselves back up in value to please the writer and their audience. An alternative take is that it's meant to entice angry responses from men and then huff about it. Who cares? You aren't defined by this writer, or others like them. Find your own value statements about yourself and then go find a woman who appreciates them.

Suspicious-Sleep5227 · 2022-08-20T04:43:59+00:00

This tells you everything you need to know about this article:

“Men need women far more than women need men”

So I guess we need women around who think we are nothing more than walking wallets and workaholics who live only to serve them as slaves.

mrkanu · 2022-08-20T05:17:49+00:00

It would look like the whole society is busy nagging men "to change". Obviously its not going to happen so I don't understand the point of these articles that on the surface look like favouring men by highlighting their faults, but actually are berating men for not falling in line with societal or feminist expectations. Men are capable of deciding what is good for them. All this preaching is annoying to say the least. And if single women are happier without men they should be encouraged to live life like that.

Emet22 · 2022-08-20T04:01:11+00:00

So if you are a homo man then, you are doing just fine???

EvidencePlz · 2022-08-20T01:27:44+00:00

No. I as a happily single, social, 100 percent MGTOW, heterosexual male don't want to and need to find love from anyone. If a woman - doesn't matter how incredibly pretty, kind, cute and rich she might be - offers me love, she will be met with flat-out rejection instantly but very politely.

No I don't need to improve anything about me cause I've improved enough. If I need to improve some more, that's entirely up to me and will not be dictated by women and their white-knight beta cuck simps. No I don't need to do anything better than I already do. I work, pay my own bills and pay the tax that the government wants me to pay.

No, it's completely false that "Men need women far more than women need men.". It's the exact opposite. God forbid if a war breaks out between the country where I live now and another X or Y country, it's me who will have to put my life on the line to protect the women from getting killed or raped and not vice-versa.

"Research shows that men are at higher risk of isolation because they make friends less easily": Completely false. Been MGTOW since 2016 and I've made way too many friends since then than ever before.

No, I don't need to "buck up and treat women right", simply because I don't treat them wrong in the first place. Matter of fact, I don't even go anywhere near them unless it's for a strictly professional, work related reason. I can't treat someone right or wrong if I don't want to be anywhere near them in the first place.

Kapish?

traveller1976 · 2022-08-20T04:18:33+00:00

What if we straight men do not fucking want love? What if we want to fuck women once in a while just to get a taste of flesh, and jerk off the rest of the time, zero commitment. What if we want to save out time, money and sperm. What if we want to avoid castration in divorce court. What if we are fucking sick and tired of being told to do better be better. What if we don't want to play the rigged fucking game anymore. Answer these questions, women.

IanHawkess · 2022-08-20T07:09:28+00:00

I think there are two issues here:

Women profess to want a man who is more like a woman (emotionally available etc). However, in their ACTUAL choices (always look at what women DO, not what they SAY), it appears that their choices aren’t backing up their professed preferences.
We’ve removed a lot of the things that empower men to be the things that women ACTUALLY want. So it’s difficult to establish your career, earnings and all that settled life stuff that women ACTUALLY tend to go for. The economic trend towards lower and lower wages relative to inflation is starting to bite.

At the same time, women are less desirable generally, at least in the west. So many women are overweight, they’ve had god knows how many sexual partners, they have all the power once you’ve committed to them (in divorce and custody cases) and so on and so forth. Maybe this is a more complex issue and the juice not being worth the squeeze is just as big a factor. But this being 2022, there’s simply no vocabulary to articulate that men have preferences just as much as women, and any preferences that men have are likely to come under concerted pressure if articulated.

I think this (the concerted campaign to pressure men to be more like women) will end up not giving women what they want in the end.

throwawaygoodvibess · 2022-08-20T05:05:34+00:00

This article just made me more mgtow.

imnotabletosleep · 2022-08-20T05:19:07+00:00

“The bar for straight men is the literal ground and they will still tunnel underneath it.” Okay?

They will not find their romantic lives improving until they take it upon themselves to dig deeper and find out what it means to be “emotionally available”.

But you just said not to dig, WTF?

DickPin · 2022-08-20T17:04:42+00:00

Woman: "Sorry, but I only date guys over 6 feet."

Guy: "That's okay, I only date women under 200 pounds."

Woman: "How dare you! Don't you know how hurtful that is?"

Yeah, I work my butt off to prevent myself becoming a fat ass. If you really want to lose the weight, you got to make some sacrifices. Height on the other hand is outside of our control. Weight isn't. So how come I'm judged for genetics but I'm damned if I judge someone for not looking after their body with proper diet and exercise?

Note: I honestly don't care if someone is larger (unless it's restricting their quality of life), I'm just beating the same old drum that so many brothers have protested against.

Lice138 · 2022-08-20T03:31:44+00:00

Just be 6 feet tall, make 180k a year and realize that my kids come first. Also, can I has sum money?

WiiWynn · 2022-08-20T00:43:53+00:00

Turning gay suddenly seems rather attractive now.

cuddaloreappu · 2022-08-20T05:27:19+00:00

why is finding a love and partner considered as some sort of destination, and a success. Why should men love a women?

is there no other way man can find happiness?

is love real or some sort of brainwashing done by the state to make men into a slave

Ceruleanknight1 · 2022-08-20T10:22:35+00:00

Until we start teaching them again that,

• Relationships are a two ways street.

• They need to apply their personal boundaries to themselves first.

• They need to be able to identify what they have to offer before they identify what they would like to get.

• That being rude, confrontational and defiant are not traits that define masculinity.

Right now we're advertising the 1st point as if its a man job to be a carpet while all they bring are at best, multiple failed previous relationships, and at worst luggages (DV/Rapes/Kids/and/or all at once)

The second point as if only they can tell you not to do something, whilst they do exactly what they told you not to do to not break their boundaries.

They're encouraged to have a list of demands (be it realistic or not) but are not encouraged to be anything else but a deadweight in most cases.

They're made to believe that being an uncooperative and unsuffurable bitch is being "strong and independant"*

They're sort of right when they say we need to step up, not to their standards tho, we need to start steping up to ourselves and not tolerate their disfonctional/irrational behaviours.

This sort of gaslighting attempt just show we're on the right track.

PRANAV_1234 · 2022-08-20T12:54:57+00:00

"The article has gained traction on social media, with many women pointing out that the increase in healthy relationship standards has led to a decrease in “dating opportunities” for straight men. Taking aim at the criteria listed by women for potential partners, one person said: “The bar for straight men is the literal ground and they will still tunnel underneath it.” Another added: “Women just aren’t desperate enough to settle for garbage men anymore""

This paragraph is the literal definition of ignorance and Horse shit. Any problem in this world blame it on men. Anything extraordinary is achieved by men. Feminist blame the patriarchy for "making only men achieve great things". Why would women take accountability? They are so fuking perfect that they can't do anything wrong. Even to find love we have to "do better". Yeah again it's men's mistake. Women have unrealistic expectations like they are asking Jesus Christ, or some Greek god himself to date and Marry when she is like Ursula From The Little Mermaid.

RecoveringCoomer · 2022-08-20T13:34:58+00:00

The article is absolute horse manure.

First, it makes the mistake of not accounting for the huge difference between what women SAY they want, vs what they PROVE they want by their ACTIONS and CHOICES.

" “I hear recurring dating themes from women between the ages of 25 and 45,” he wrote. “They prefer men who are emotionally available, good communicators, and share similar values.”"

Yeah, women tend to say things like this. And then throw themselves at thugs and playboys who will lie, cheat, and manipulate and abuse them. Thinking they are the "alpha" males.

InteriorInsights99 · 2022-08-20T14:18:14+00:00

I work with more women than men ( NGO) and more than 60% of the people I meet/see outside work are also women. This is what I’ve noticed…

-a lot of women aren’t good communicators, or emotionally available or even know what their values are ( so don’t know what similar values to find in a man).

I’m the first to admit that I have some serious flaws which I’m working on in therapy ( CPTSD/PTSD). I’m open, honest with my feelings and I’ve learnt to be more emotional vulnerable and communicate my wants/needs/feelings. I also have strong moral beliefs and I know what I value.

Unfortunately a lot of women I’ve met/worked with over the past decade do not possess these skills. That surprised me.

The media always focuses on women being better than men at ‘soft skills.’ Sure I’ve been fortunate to meet/work with women who’ve taught me a lot about being a better communicator, improving my emotional availability and these women shared similar values with me. There were women who possessed a high level of ‘soft skills.’ Nevertheless, these women were in the minority.

There are too many women out there who lack the basic skills that this article claims men need to acquire in order to level up.

Finally what women say they want in a man doesn’t match the reality of who they actually end up choosing. Once again many women I’ve worked with/known over the past ten years ended up choosing a man who was taller than her, earned more, was already a homeowner, and was more dominant than her. Maybe he was hiding his ‘soft skills’ but I never saw any evidence of their chosen man being emotionally available, good at communication or even being able to tell me what their values were. On multiple occasions my female colleagues admitted that finding a man who was emotionally open, good at communicating and vulnerable wasn’t as important as finding a man who earned more than her, had visible signs that matched his professional status ( nice car/house) and was ready to ‘look after her’ ( ie treat her like a princess). They told me that they’d never admit this publicly.

shamblam117 · 2022-08-20T04:18:52+00:00

Hard hitting journalism I subscribe to Yahoo Sports for

RowanSomewhere · 2022-08-20T06:08:51+00:00

My great fuckin' GODS...

I already had to fear being drafted into wars women voted us into, tolerate my male relatives being saddled with debt some evil witch created, watch women get equal pay for cushy work in easy professions, put up with their ENDLESS hypocrisy about abortion, contraception, accusations, hiring, dating and on and on And On And ON AND ON...

...yet, somefuckinghow, after all that, I'm some disgusting misogynist kobold for wanting a woman who's not fat, not old, not contentious, not sexually manipulative, and not trailing some damned thug rat's kids?

It is UNFATHOMABLE how fuckin' horrid most western women have become.

AchtzehnVonSchwefel · 2022-08-20T02:46:24+00:00

What's all this fuss about?

Don't bother yourselves.

NarutoBoy87 · 2022-08-20T05:01:56+00:00

Does it ever occur to them that they might wanna stay single? There is fuck ton of shit happening in their life and they dont wanna go looking for more trouble?

2022-08-20T12:57:41+00:00

OK, I guess i'll just hit the gym to increase my height a few inches to be 6ft 3.

Fucking bitches. Seriously.

HannibalsProtege · 2022-08-20T15:54:37+00:00

This is a fantastic hit piece, "The problem is that straight men have not come to terms with their own toxic masculinity and archaic patriarchal values."

If women were meant to replace men in the workforce then why haven't they stepped up in manual labor positions? They only want the high paying office jobs without the sacrifice of destroying their bodies. The "patriarchy," is the system of development men have made to further human advancement. What women came up with the calculator?

"Until they learn that being a good partner means being open with your thoughts, feelings and needs, while holding space for your significant other. And until they stop mansplaining and listen for once."

And there it is, mansplaning, another 21st century buzzword only meant to draw readers into the web of bullshit and fingerpointing. The issue with saying men need to open with their thoughts, feelings, and needs is that none of them are taken seriously when done so. Who's the biggest perpetrator of emotional neglect towards men? Women, and unfortunately men tend to reinforce this (at times) by not giving our male friends the space to address the ills that bother them.

The rest of the article is nothing more than a deflection from reality. Men need to do a lot more soul searching, women just need to show up; as if there is no such thing as toxic femininity which disregards rational convention of holding women accountable for their shitty behavior. the onus is strictly on men to improve, because women are "perfect," and better off single, and without children.

Let's revisit this article in 20 years and see how this has aged.

iamjesus1991 · 2022-08-20T16:23:20+00:00

Here's the thing - women don't even do the bare minimum, either.

neveragoodtime · 2022-08-20T04:16:39+00:00

LOL, what are they going to do, start dating gay men? They can complain all they want, straight men are still the only game in town that can give them what they really want.

denisc9918 · 2022-08-20T05:01:01+00:00

Articles like this just make me smile.

Vanriel · 2022-08-20T07:01:42+00:00

And here is the daily does of man hating especially aimed a straight men who aren't "perfect" for women to date.

What a shit world we live in.

Uncle_Touchy1987 · 2022-08-20T10:05:24+00:00

Do better? More bullshit vague never ending wish list thinking.

SweetAccomplished542 · 2022-08-20T13:13:43+00:00

“If you want” a lot of guys don’t. We don’t want there overpriced bull shit.

2022-08-20T16:14:08+00:00

This article is insufferable. The author says women deserve respect and dignity and at the same time calls men garbage. But it summarizes the whole feminist ideology.

2022-08-20T16:33:10+00:00

Luckily for us, straight women need straight men just as much as we need them, and in fact probably more so, as they far more often want kids. Women need to do better to spend time with us.

So, kindly, go fuck yourself Kate.

lostbuttplugs · 2022-08-20T17:34:19+00:00

We are trying to find love, not manipulating entitled cunts. Lol.

Geckzilla1989 · 2022-08-21T00:12:14+00:00

Sorry. 3 lines down and "Trying to find a straight man who isn't an arsehole is like trying to stay cool in this heatwave- impossible" basically switched me off her entire shitty take. I hope a car hits her, genuinely.

If you want to find love, AVOID ANYONE who refers to your entire gender group and sexual orientation as one unit. She's most likely a sexist cunt with dated and frankly trite opinions, she'll almost definitely base her personality off her Tumblr, and be prepared to be racist, sexist or an incel whenever you disagree. Bitch probably dyes her hair blue too.

rm-rd · 2022-08-20T06:36:27+00:00

If women are so much better in relationships, why do bi men and bi women both usually end up dating men?

koncernz · 2022-08-20T06:39:07+00:00

Feminists are so full of hate.

StudentOfTheTruth1 · 2022-08-20T06:49:47+00:00

Biased hateful crap, written by a biased hateful woman, not worth reading.

Altruistic-Cat-4193 · 2022-08-20T02:19:37+00:00

As a male, current feminism made me gay.

timmah1991 · 2022-08-20T05:22:15+00:00

No, we just need to set our tinders to Korea.

Push us much harder and it will become the default.

ijustdontcare74 · 2022-08-20T07:27:46+00:00

Er no...I'll do what I want, when I want with who I want and not be lectured to by a woman on how I should behave.....that's the reason why I got divorced, so I can be my own master again.

SirJ4ck · 2022-08-20T09:31:23+00:00

What a bunch of bullshit

meermaalsgeprobeerd · 2022-08-20T10:27:01+00:00

Whaha, 'meet the woman of their dreams'! I'm not looking for the woman of my dreams, just trying to evade those that hunt my nightmares.

Isair81 · 2022-08-20T11:00:03+00:00

finding a single man who is not An Arsehole is akin to staying cool during this heatwave: impossible.

If you run into assholes everywhere you go, chances are….you’re the asshole.

2022-08-20T11:39:09+00:00

The emotional thing is a trap- if you're honest, they'll rip you for it. The trick is to look honest.

It's kinda like makeup, I feel. 'No makeup' or 'natural' still isn't going completely without- and I think it's quite funny that it's usually girls who don't wear any makeup that you can be very honest with.

2022-08-20T13:04:57+00:00

“Straight women, if you want to find good men you need to start being more physically attractive.”

hottake_toothache · 2022-08-20T13:23:06+00:00

Our society has no empathy for men.

2022-08-20T13:36:16+00:00

Now they are playing blame game. Tiktoks, youtube, dating sites are filled with entitled women who can't find single good men anymore because of their attitude. We men know the whole game is rigged, and stopped dancing the way they want us too. Now women are du mb fo un d, and have started bl am in g us. Don't fall for this fe mi ni st trap guys.

They can't digest the fact that, we men are happy being single, they are the one suffering. These same kind of men blaming articles are being published very frequently. 2 same type of articles in the same week. It looks like, this is some kind of govt propaganda, as population in the west, europe is decreasing.

rsa1x · 2022-08-20T14:05:29+00:00

Yeah, men need to do better. Meanwhile women can still expect to bring nothing to the table, just breath in a date and expect to have the date paid off in full by the man because he is a man. What exactly are women bringing to men's lives to be so demanding?

neighborhoodpainter · 2022-08-20T14:19:21+00:00

In other words, "man up".

Jacksonorlady · 2022-08-20T15:12:33+00:00

I’m purposely not rich despite the opportunities. It honestly introduces so many toxic people to your life, it’s not worth it. I’m comfortably in the upper-middle, so I’m not complaining or claiming being poor is better. But the wife and inner circle are there because we love and care for each other, not cause there is anything to be gained outside a personal relationship.

My dad and brother are pretty darn wealthy, so I’ve experienced their circles. It’s just not for me. They also have people and family in their lives, like me, that truly love them and will always been there for them. But they also have hoards of people trying to “be there friend” for superficial reasons. That shit just bugs me to the point where I’d rather avoid it altogether.

2022-08-20T15:38:38+00:00

Fine, I'll stay single - however will I cope with all that lonely freedom lol

fatbitchonline · 2022-08-20T18:27:39+00:00

what kind of a pushover married the woman that wrote this 💀

executionoftheplan20 · 2022-08-20T21:42:05+00:00

Honestly I am 36. I have gone from 150 kilos to 80. Fat to fit and unemployed bum to 80k a year (not a lot but better than average just) and not single a girl what's a bar of me. Not even one that can't have kids. I am devastated, I wanted love but instead I'll end up with a life alone and no kids.

SteveorJimmyorJack · 2022-08-20T22:47:40+00:00

Straight men: if you want to find love, stay away from feminazi Karens.

delocalelectron · 2022-08-20T05:57:13+00:00

Women still expect men to approach them in the dating process - running the risk of rejection, and punishable by sexual harassment laws. This rejection is much more likely where the approaching male has lower financial status. But, resources required by males, and actively sought by females when mating have been compromised by EEO and Affirmative Action. Basically, they took'r jobs.

Reasonable_Listen514 · 2022-08-20T04:28:00+00:00

More like, if you want to find love, you have to look overseas. I don't see many US women worth "stepping up" or "doing better" for. It's not like they reciprocate love anyway. They only want men for what they can provide. They'll betray you the first time they think they can get a taller or richer man. They'll bail the first time anything gets difficult. They'll use the family courts to destroy you if you're naive enough to marry one. They spend their teens and 20s sleeping around, frying any pair bonding ability. Most of them or overweight, if not obese. Most hold feminist beliefs, so they'll see you as the source of all their problems. They're misandrist at their core. Their entitlement is beyond belief and their superficial standards are delusional. They aren't worth it, not the slightest effort. But all the traits of a good long term partner that are now missing in a huge majority of western females, are actually very common in other parts other world. US has the worst women in the world. The average US man isn't enough for them, but he is a top 10% man in many countries. Don't beleive me, get your passport and see for yourself. Be done with these rotten US females.

NonnyNu · 2022-08-20T06:55:24+00:00

Woman here. Please replace “do better” with “look in different places, like church.” No need to read the article.

Throw_awayyerr · 2022-08-20T09:34:17+00:00

They’re right if we want to find love, we gotta go outside the US. Cause western females are not it.

RedHokk · 2022-08-20T10:26:05+00:00

How about quotas for men in universities?

thegreatesthumphrey · 2022-08-20T17:33:04+00:00

This is literally the nth time I've seen this article on here in the last two weeks.

It's a shit article, meant to provoke emotional outrage from the sad and the angry, which it does well, but is not at all a description of the actual dating world. It sounds like it was written by a 20 year old female college student with 3 years of dating experience and in that 3 years, she, nor her friends, have had little time for much self discovery and improvement so has stayed stuck in the same super tiny sample size of men and assume it's how all men are like all 20 year old people do.

I hope someone checks their age - if they are anything other than they are sad, but also good at their job for creating an article that takes a realistic and angering piece of dating and sets it as the entire background.

Foxsayy · 2022-08-20T07:10:16+00:00

I'd love if these articles started citing sources. The article has so many assertions, like at least drop an authors name or something.

peanutbutterjams · 2022-08-20T08:24:07+00:00

First off, I'm bisexual so I guess I get a pass on all this?

Oh, no. It's just more bi erasure, which is a health threat according to "health.com".

Woke tries to be woke but fails to be sufficiently woke, which is the inevitable fate of all the woke.

Straight men have not come to terms with the fact that the problem is seeded in their own toxic masculinity and archaic patriarchal values

"X people haven't not come to the terms with the fact that the problem is seed in their own laziness and archaic cultural values".

shakes fist

Damn those X people!

This is just bigotry with new words.

Research shows that men are at higher risk of isolation because they make friends less easily and don’t take part in as many social activities or community groups as women.

Hahaha stupid men! Why aren't you better at being healthier.

Meanwhile...

Research shows that Y people are at higher risk of isolation.

Poor Y people! It's all those men's fault for creating a society that hurts Y people and only Y people!

It has also been suggested that men benefit from marriage more than women, with married men reporting being happier and healthier.

Men benefit from an institution for whose failure they are disproportionately responsible are happier and healthier?! Surely that means that men outside of marriage are desperately depressive and unhealthy and that society should them??

Right?

.... ^{^{^{^{^Right?}}}}

Mojorizen2 · 2022-08-20T11:50:40+00:00

Sounds like entitlement to me.

Sewblon · 2022-08-20T09:24:21+00:00

Responding to the article via Twitter are a number of men who insist that women are “too picky” and have “double standards”. They claim that they actually have great personalities, and that women just don’t want to date them because they aren’t good looking. “Women are just too complicated,” these same men will proclaim, ignoring the dozens of women telling them exactly how they want to be treated; with respect, dignity, tenderness.

tbh, this is just ignoring the elephant in the room. Men and women both care about wealth and looks in a partner more than they admit. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/07/the-myth-of-buying-beauty/374414/ I am a transwoman. So maybe my tastes are not representative. But, I can tell you what they are when it comes to men: 1. In shape. 2. warm 3. sociable. 4. rich. 5. funny. 6. intelligent. 7. good with computers 8. well hung. I suspect that a non-trivial percentage of cis-women are looking for something similar

It has also been suggested that men benefit from marriage more than women, with married men reporting being happier and healthier.

That used to be true. But not anymore. Now, men and women get the same benefits from marriage. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4981792/

So the idea that men need women more than women need men isn't really backed by evidence.

But anyway, I object to this piece on a normative level as well: She isn't taking straight men seriously when they talk about their plight. She doesn't seem to think that they have any insights into their own situation. If you did that with women, then everyone would agree that it is sexist. So, I think that she needs to take her own advice and listen.

rabel111 · 2022-08-20T09:31:42+00:00

The truth is that most women are hopeless at relationships with men. They are fixated on femsplaining rules and expectations, have no idea about masculine sexuality, and believe they are gods gift.

Women who are equality based are becoming rarer, while simp psychologists, educated to placate feminist academic fanatics, are addicted to sophist narratives that place men on their knees at the feet of women, feeding their psychotic need for dominance and sexual deification.

delocalelectron · 2022-08-20T11:06:05+00:00

Women have yet to wake up to the reality that wanting to have sex with them doesn't correlate with wishing a long-term relationship with them.....unless they are trustworthy, loyal and honest. Most of them are found lacking. And we get to choose.

RealKickPotato · 2022-08-20T14:29:54+00:00

Straight feminist women, if you want to find love, don't:

Set high standards
Expect everyone to like you
Sexually assault people because you won't get in trouble
Bring nothing to the relationship
Be a burden to the other person
Not belittle people for traits they can't change

WhyWouldTrumpDoThis · 2022-08-20T10:26:29+00:00

I bet the author is ugly

_PersistentRumor · 2022-08-20T12:01:04+00:00

I just learned a bunch of new statistics regarding dating. I had no idea how well I was doing.

According to data from various dating apps, 80% of women want 20% of men. You know, over 6 figures in income, at least 6 feet tall, and above average looks, which includes an athletic physique. Women swipe right (to indicate interest) only 5% of the time. By comparison, men swipe right 50% of the time. Yet, a significant percentage of men never receive even one message from a woman.

Here's where it gets interesting to me. I started online dating 9 years ago this month (2013). I got my first response within 2 hours of setting up my profile, and dated that woman for a time, but that's not the interesting part. I've gotten a woman to date me (which includes having s*x with her) every time I fired up the app. By the way, I've used a variety of apps, but no "hookup" apps, only dating app. My experience was the same no matter which app I used.

To be clear, I don't mean I was dating several women all the time. I mean that every time one of my relationships ended, and I got back into the dating app, I attracted the attention of a new woman. Out of all the women I dated (at least 3 dates), I dropped 3 of them before I had s*x with them. Otherwise, s*x ensued.

Why is all that interesting? Well, I'm not in the category of the men the data says women are attracted to. I'm 58, f*t, broke, and only reasonably attractive. I stopped women in their tracks in my 20s, but those days are long gone. What's my secret? I understand how to bypass societal programming and speak to what a woman is, instead of who a woman thinks she is. That's a story for another time. Pretty smart, if I do say so myself. :-D

Queasy_Replacement62 · 2022-10-07T23:59:50+00:00

Lmfaooooooooooop God forbid u incels go to therapy. I spit out my drink with laughter when I realized there was a men's rights subreddit. Go ahead and deny we live in a patriarchy. Go-ahead and deny 90 percent of homicides world wide are committed by men. Go ahead and deny 80 percent of domestic violence victims are women. You are just mad ur too fucking lazy to do anything but abuse women and make them pay 5050.

human8ure · 2022-08-20T17:34:55+00:00

A lot of men struggle with being good communicators, and with regulating their emotions. Women too, but men are generally not taught these skills. We should teach these things in kindergarten.

Geckzilla1989 · 2022-08-20T22:52:24+00:00

Why is this subreddit called men's rights? Sex is not a right. Women don't owe you their bodies no matter how nice you think you are.

Bound-Submissive · 2022-08-20T08:00:14+00:00

If respect and kindness are the bare minimum according to their entitled demands, then this bare minimum is supposed to be cherished and appreciated, and should have another name. Not bare minimum but normal relationship behavior. How dare they demean it?

vhisic · 2022-08-20T08:47:19+00:00

its cool, I don't even want to find love anymore. shits over rated, i just want someone to pay half the mortgage. basically the same thing but without the pressure on me to be a good loving husband to some woman that's using me.

2022-08-20T09:30:57+00:00

Don’t need to find love that badly.

Educational_Bet_6606 · 2022-08-20T12:31:21+00:00

It takes two to tango. I'm not sure why certain folks don't realize this.

mypthegoat · 2022-08-20T12:59:43+00:00

i’m sure author of this blog is ugly, overweight and old woman. she constantly got rejected when she was young by men and then eventually she became feminist (misandrist). this type of language which used in this blog will never help this kind of women like this blogger. females must be more respectful towards to men. otherwise you will never get what you wish for. and all this points that she tried to make got debunked way before, it can be sayable, it’s literally other way lol. i can say straight women must do better if they want to get treated better.

fakevahi · 2022-08-20T14:04:15+00:00

I don't mind working on myself to "be better". But every expectation I'll put on myself, I'll also put them on the women I would date. It's only fair.

So good luck with whatever woman woman who'll agree with this article

patxiku93 · 2022-08-20T14:07:53+00:00

nah I'm good. Good luck finding love with that attitude though

ajomojo · 2022-08-20T14:14:53+00:00

This reads exactly as a Victorian era piece asking women to be complacent and meek as the road to snag a husband

LionVenom10 · 2022-08-20T14:50:08+00:00

Well you can tell everyone I’m a down disgrace, drag my name all over the place, I don’t care anymore.

r7anubis · 2022-08-20T15:30:48+00:00

if you want to find love you’ll need to do better

I don't want love. Fuck love. Single >>>>>>>>>>>>> Relationshit

genetunney · 2022-08-20T16:33:55+00:00

unconditional hatred

aigars2 · 2022-08-20T19:41:53+00:00

I'll do it myself

mcc9999 · 2022-08-20T20:56:31+00:00

Yes I read that article. It assumes that if men are lonely, it's due to a lack of female companionship. That's false. I've learned via experience that having male good friends can alleviate loneliness well. Many men alas don't have male friends they are tight with. Admittedly esp after age 25 or so it can be quite hard to find male friends you can be tight with if you are a man. But assuming male loneliness is due to a dearth of female companionship is wrong.

As for getting sex, well let's just say there are cheap hookers in the world, massage parlors, etc. A guy can get some action if he really wants to. Necessity is the mother of whoring. :)

Angryasfk · 2022-08-20T21:21:05+00:00

Why am I not surprised this was in The Independent. Love the way they put out information that the happiest people are women who’ve never married or had kids. As this certainly is tilted towards young women in their 20’s, it begs the question: a 20 something who has no stresses other than paying her own rent/mortgage, goes out with her friends, gets to date whomever she chooses is likely to be very happy. How does a woman in her ‘50’s or ‘60’s who has no family and no partner rate on this scale?

Not as highly I suspect.

And I’m dubious about the claim that women’s expectations of men are “on the ground”.

Rionat · 2022-08-20T22:15:43+00:00

Pass. I don’t care what someone else wants from me.

Pomper-26 · 2022-08-20T22:36:27+00:00

Willing to find a partner with whom I want to create a relationship based on love, respect, support and acceptance is completely normal to build a rational relationship is normal but some women are confused by modern times in their minds, they have such bizarre expectations because she deserves it without offering a thread from herself, but for the fact that she is pretty and only offering it from herself she expects men to become her ATM really has no value to create a relationship because there is nothing to contribute to the relationship!

Geckzilla1989 · 2022-08-21T00:13:53+00:00

And... NEVER go with a girl who's waiting to see what you can provide her. You want someone with as much hustle as you, not some dry cunt with her hand out 24/7

shit-zen-giggles · 2022-08-21T18:06:43+00:00

The original psychology today article this article is based upon was already discussed here

This article adds nothing to the original drivel but a dose of snark.

Thanks for sharing never the less.

kiadragon · 2022-08-21T19:07:52+00:00

Passport, bro. Get a passport.

Then you can choose between:

A foreign surrogate if you want kids and want to make sure no one to have the ability to take them from you.
A foreign bride who is submissive, is pleased with domestic duties, and doesn't plot with friends to take your kids and money. Just keep her away from womanists.

DHUSC · 2022-08-25T15:09:30+00:00

Why is this only ever said to straight men? Because it sounds bigoted if you say it to literally any other demographic.

Dazzling-Image-9260 · 2022-10-21T01:33:40+00:00

What’s a STRAIGHT man? I am one, so I already know. I just thought we should have the talk first. Just to get it out of the way.

No_Manufacturer5854 · 2022-11-23T17:38:38+00:00

Since we live in a society that blames men for everything that goes wrong I can see why MGTOW exist

"Straight men, if you want to find love you’ll need to do better"

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You know what, can we start with simpler things, like figuring out exactly what I am not aware of "what it is"-ing?

Title	"Straight men, if you want to find love you’ll need to do better"
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Date	August 19, 2022 10:50 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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