Why do some people feel betrayed by “the blue pill” while others don’t?

PMmeareasontolive · 2023-10-31T02:46:31+00:00

Because the experience of the haves vs the have-nots is so radically different. The haves still can't really comprehend the have-nots, except to conceive of them as severely socially backward or incomprehensibly ugly. Inhuman, basically.

But the have-nots have become aware of the haves, not just by anecdotal observation, but increasingly by the super blue pill advice they give. For example, there are men who seriously (well. . as seriously as you can take anything in this place) advise just getting on Tinder and finding a girlfriend. Some other guy wrote "just go outside and women come up to you". Are they all trolls? Or blue pilled? Or is that the same?

toasterchild · 2023-10-31T00:05:41+00:00

Some people REALLY believe thier parents when they say not to worry some day someone will love you for who you are. Shit parents say to make you stop wallowing when it just makes shit worse.

Icy-Account-7084 · 2023-10-30T23:55:19+00:00

because some people are lucky and some people aren’t. life is all based on luck by chance (obviously you need to make opportunities for yourself but still).

Lina-Inverse · 2023-10-31T00:16:05+00:00

Uh how exactly are you blue pilled then if you never bought the bullshit to begin with?

How does that even make sense?

LoopyPro · 2023-10-31T00:02:36+00:00

Let's call it death by a thousand cuts. People who catch a break every now and then will obviously be less jaded than people who have been let down time after time.

Independent-Mail-227 · 2023-10-30T23:59:17+00:00

It's because you're just seeing half the truth not it as a whole. It's not about "Obviously the hot bully gets laid" but "women prefer bullies", it's not about life not being fair but peoples applying a sense of fairness towards your own lack of sucess, is not about expectations but the intense gaslight that happens so men can keep moving society forward at the costs of themselves.

When you really see the REAL truth, the whole thing and you stop and see yourself working agaist your own self interests just to survive you'll end up pissed as fuck.

AngeCruelle · 2023-10-31T02:03:47+00:00

One word: success.

A successful person probably isn't looking for the key behind their own success or reflecting on what could have gone differently.

A failure is more likely to look for someone or something to blame for said condition. A so-called "blue pill" that lied to them about what women like all their lives is a convenient option.

Unlikely-Strategy596 · 2023-10-31T03:35:26+00:00

When you’re rich and good looking you don’t feel betrayed by the blue pill until your actions leader to breakup.

SeveralLiterature980 · 2023-10-31T00:47:54+00:00

Why do some people feel betrayed after realizing a lot of their worldview is bullshit? Lol. That you have to ask....

And people who pull the life isn't fair card are one species of sadistic status quotidian or another. Mostly to be ignored.

macone235 · 2023-10-30T23:56:51+00:00

If you've known from the start, then why are you blue-pilled to begin with?

Red pill rage occurs, because the person believed in the matrix until for whatever reason they learned the truth, and became angry about it. Typically, because men tend to be emotionally invested in the concept of love that is sold to people in the matrix.

The problem with the matrix is that once there there is one hole, the entire thing begins to crumble. However, if you are being purposefully obtuse, because you would rather be comfortable living a lie than uncomfortable living a truth, then you probably won't care about going digging to find more holes. Plenty of people are fine living in a simulation that isn't real, because it's more pleasant than living in the real world.

63daddy · 2023-10-31T00:11:10+00:00

I started reading about gender issues and the change state of dating before people started using pill analogies to describe it.

Biases in family law, hypergamy, laws of attraction, MeToo, and many other factors influence relationships but I think it’s silly to view these as betrayal. Understanding this issues related to relationships to me simply allows one to make better decisions.

Fair or not, it is what it is. Act accordingly.

Thrice_Banned80 · 2023-10-31T01:51:31+00:00

Shit like life isn't fair and that it's easier for hot people isn't really either pill but baseline fact. You can chuck whatever you want into the ideology; it doesn't make the other one somehow believe the opposite.
Also things like your parents not wanting to tell you that you're possibly having issues because you're awkward and staggeringly ugly isn't "blue pill" as much as it's a "my grandma says I'm handsome" platitude.

SyrusDrake · 2023-10-31T12:12:58+00:00

I'm no sociologist, so I'm only speculating, but I think one reason might be the difference in how autistic and neurotypical people use language. Put simply, neurotypicals assume prior knowledge of one way or another, and anything communicated in a verbal statement is only a small part of the actual message communicated. To make a crude example, if you're out for dinner with a friend and they say "I'll pay", the "neurotypical" message might be "it is time to pay, and I now expect you to at least protest my offer, because everyone knows you're supposed to do that". The way the message is received in an autistic brain is "I'll pay".

Same goes for "bluepill" advice. For example, "just be yourself, there is someone for everybody" might be implicitly understood by other neurotypicals as just a kind of "cultural lie" that everyone agrees on, but everyone actually knows there is a given set of behaviors that are acceptable in courtship. But autistic people might take it at face value and when it obviously doesn't end up working out, they eventually become bitter. They are constantly given advice they take at face value, because they lack the ability to understand the implied meaning, and none of it ever works. So they feel like they're being lied to, which results in anger.

justforlulz12345 · 2023-10-31T22:44:33+00:00

My dad red pilled me from birth as far as women’s behavior and marriage (I.e. don’t.) you’d be surprised how red pilled the real world is. Issue is he failed to teach me how to actually play the game.

DRW0813 · 2023-10-31T00:16:31+00:00

Im fat, short, and blue pilled. Because 10 years ago I found my fat, short AMAZING wife. In college I tried, and failed, to be an alpha. I sort of an incel. I did a lot of self work, took some of the infamous gender studies classes people often make fun of, and found happiness.

So no. The redpill failed me. The blue pill is awesome

GGMcThroway · 2023-10-31T00:32:32+00:00

These are men at the bottom of their respective social hierarchies.

Many of them weren't properly socialized as children and were ostracized as a result. They're ugly, unsettling to talk to, and need far more psychological help than whatever vague platitudes can give them.

If you're familiar with a wide variety of people and can hold a decent conversation, you'll already understand that life doesn't run on clique-y stereotypes. If your view of reality comes from media you've consumed rather than life you've lived, it's understandable that you'll take comfort in "harsh realities" that you yourself will never be able to fully revel in.

Raileyx · 2023-10-31T00:10:51+00:00

The people who have the negative revelations are socially incompetent or immature or both. Take one look at this sub and you'll know. It's not really a secret.

RonMexico432 · 2023-10-31T01:36:02+00:00

The right answer always falls between the extremes (red and blue)

SmallSituation6432 · 2023-10-31T02:35:57+00:00

If you can tolerate anime give Neon Genesis Evangelion a go. The shows original ending vs End of Evangelion I think really demonstrates the difference in mindset well.

Essentially, for as much as some guys here talk about how rational they are, or smart or average or whatever, they have no sense of intrinsic self-worth. Everything is defined externally, and this is not exclusive to men by the way. I'm just addressing the topic set.

Feminism has specifically sought to teach women a sense of intrinsic value and self-worth. Masculinity, at least as it exists now and in the past assumed intrinsic value, but every sign and measure is external. That assumption rests on those external measures being true. Be smart, successful, honorable, provide for your family ect.. Stripped of those measures, men are forced to see the assumption, one without substance; just external measures. Masculinity as it exists can let men fail at every measure of self-worth, and the men incapable of finding value in themselves will desperately look for someone or something to provide it.

Or, they will turn to ideologies that deny the need for something internal. The zero-sum nature of RP and the way everything is defined in competition to other men and women is a good example of this. They don't need to actually really consider their value, they just need to be more valuable than the next guy.

Razieloo · 2023-10-31T10:29:53+00:00

Because for some people it works, for others it doesn’t

coping_man · 2023-10-31T13:10:51+00:00

because they havent internalized it, they say "lol thing is false" but they fail to examine how their entire mental house of cards should collapse from within as a result of acknowledging it, they basically live in constant cognitive dissonance and they are comfortable enough in real life that they can tune the dissonance out. they have enough bread and circuses to turn their brains off with 50 notifications on the 'gram and in texts. kid says 2+2=4, but can't do 2+1+1=4.

my working theory and this is my belief, is that bluepillers aren't really having a logical conversation with red/black/unpillers, because they don't even think when this topic is being brought up. they're not trying to put a puzzle together in their heads, they're not applying logic, it's just a stone throwing contest for them. when they acknowledge for example, "looks are very important", they acknowledge it. and like a high tide receding, they immediately revert back to their previous belief that "looks don't matter bro" in every other action they take. when the next guy brings up the topic, they'll revert to telling him "The bully won't get laid bro, his personality sucks and women only like good guys!" or mocking a political opponent by saying he won't get sex because he says mean words/his actions are unappealing to women.

bluepillers are simply the more successful cognitive dissonance wielders who have proliferated due to natural selection favoring irrationality in social contexts; neurotypicals. this also means that generally, they don't hold many sincere beliefs they'll act on and are more driven by social status than by matching their words to their actions, so don't expect a feminist bluepiller to sign up for the WWIII draft to be equal to the men under conscription or to refuse hatefucking a guy she's attracted to because it would prove personality doesn't matter.

Some (certainly not all) red/blackpillers are different. they want to have completely coherent beliefs, and say what they mean and mean what they say. and in their frame of mind, "being a short man is fine" is only different from aghans telling kids that the quran verse amulet will protect them from the suicide blast in that the lie will wear your mental health down gradually instead of making you blow yourself up immediately. this is why i don't generally engage with some of the bloopers here - because they write things they're uninvested in. and i imagine that if you ever encounter holistic thinkers or the sorts of people who have to work in a field where having consistent and accurate information in your head is mission critical, you'll find more red/blackpillers.

Soloandthewookiee · 2023-10-31T00:33:01+00:00

Red pill claims to have the secrets that have been kept from men by blue pillers and, surprise, it's all women's fault. They peddle simple, if completely false, concepts like the 80/20 rule or evolutionary claims that make sense as long as you don't actually know anything about evolution, and this is all information that has been "hidden" from men by blue pillers, so naturally they feel betrayed.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2023-10-31T15:35:28+00:00

It’s because some dudes went with the whole “I’ll be nice to her (or at least pretend) and she will then like me and show me her tits!”

And that didn’t work. Not that it was ever meant to work like that, or at least that linear.

So now it must be someone else’s, or society’s fault!

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nemma88 · 2023-10-31T09:17:23+00:00

Most people 'win', within the definition of winning by BP, while BP. Those that don't, or reject that definition of winning are the other pills.

While everyone talks about Disney, in nearly every legacy movie it's the Prince that gets the Princess.

obviousredflag · 2023-10-31T13:06:56+00:00

I think it's more about finding a reason for own unsuccessfulness, that mostly has nothing to do with red or blue pill knowledge, but it's a scapegoat. If you are moderately successfull as a man with women, you really couldn't care less about what the best practice is to have most success on average with an average population of women, that does only exist in scientific discourse and is pretty much irrelevant for you personally and for the specific women you want.

Human mating has different strategies. There are general main tendencies, but there are also a lot of niches. Human personalities are extensions of mating strategies. We would not have this diversity in personalities, if each one wasn't successful in mating in a specific niche. Red pill tries to find a one-size-fits-all solution, where obviously, each individual man has the most competition with other men. Red pill also tends to promote the idea, that "you" need a BETTER woman than the one's that are currently attracted to you, and therefore you need to "improve" along the one-size-fits-all strategy. Completely neglecting, that not everyone is suited for this strategy.

One should recognize one's own working mating strategy and look for women who are the lock to one's key. Providing the specific match for a partners weaknesses and strengths is worth way more in mating desirability for relationships, than going to the gym or getting that raise.

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Valuable-Marzipan761 · 2023-10-31T17:37:43+00:00

I don't feel decieved or betrayed because no-one has ever told me that looks are unimportant in dating. If i had been told that, and grew up believing it, it's be pretty annoyed.

Familiesarenations · 2023-10-31T19:54:47+00:00

People who see life in black-and-white terms constantly feel betrayed and lied to. The blue pill isn't wrong, it's just abstract and vague. Blue pillers understand that there's no formula for success and it requires some degree of good luck.

MidoriEgg · 2023-10-31T20:17:52+00:00

I think some people tend to either take the general life advise we all get way too literally, or they’re over exaggerating how rose-tinted the ‘blue pill’ (which IMO isn’t even really a thing) is.

BillyPilgrim75 · 2023-11-01T03:28:24+00:00

It's not betrayal, it's disillusionment. The people who were disillusioned didn't create the illusion, but they did walk right into the "illusion store" and lay down good money for the story.

Safinated · 2023-11-01T16:22:49+00:00

It’s very simple:

Some people accept reality, others do not. The reasons will vary, but most often it is “because it doesn’t benefit me”

Title	Why do some people feel betrayed by “the blue pill” while others don’t?
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Date	October 30, 2023 11:44 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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