Mental issues are not as prevalent source of problems as you might think

Particular_Trade6308 · 2024-04-16T16:58:41+00:00

Doctor K has solid mental health advice but he is pretty unfamiliar with modern dating and OLD. By PPD standards he is a bluepiller, and he genuinely believes being short/ugly/unattractive is not a real impediment

Puzzleheaded_Award88 · 2024-04-16T16:29:26+00:00

When it comes to suicide, I've considered it and even tried it. Granted, it's easier to fight off those ideas as an adult. I would be in the 50% that does have a mental health issue.

I only found that out a few year's ago that I have ADHD Inattentive type. Very empowering because I learned why I tick like I do. Also learned that my introverted father most likely had it too and wasn't aware. However I learned that at least my mother was aware I was diagnosed at around age 5, she just didn't want me on stimulants.

Lately I have been having more suicidal thoughts. Here's why:

I have two potential medical diagnosis hanging over my head. I say potentially, but with the things I'm experiencing my gut knows that I have at least one. I will be surprised if I don't.

On top of this, the overall quality of life is well shit. I'm 44, I work in a dead end job with no degree. I feel like I haven't had a purpose in years. And women? Yeah, not good there either. It's bad enough that I don't even engage with women anymore. I can't even tell if they are interested. I can't read body language nor can I recognize social cues.

I dont want you to think I'm all doom and gloom. I may have been single for the last 4 years, but I've accomplished a lot. I have been addressing my mental and physical health. I went from 315lbs to at my lowest 165. I've been hovering close to 190 for a while now.

I only have a picture of what will possibly happen in the future. I'd lie if I said I that I wasn't curious about PAS though.

SoldierExcelsior · 2024-04-17T02:27:50+00:00

I would argue that for the first time in history atleast in many countries men are just out living their usefulness...In the past Wars and work took out large populations of men...Men where either constantly busy or constantly dying and dying by the tens of thousands..

Personally I never thought I would live this long and often think theres nothing left to do..nothing to explore no wars to fight just watch TV..which is kind of boring.

As of October 2021, the United States had lost 7,054 soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, including 759 from California. The post-9/11 wars have also killed more than 8,000 contractors. The causes of death include rocket-propelled grenade fire and improvised explosive devices. In addition, more than 30,177 U.S. service members and veterans of the post-9/11 wars have died by suicide.

The U.S. combat mission in Afghanistan was America's longest war, lasting just short of 20 years. <

Interestingly more soldiers died by suicide than in combat

MistyMaisel · 2024-04-16T13:09:54+00:00

That was a fantastic interview, and I recommend Dr. K and the healthy gamer channel to any man who feels like he's struggling. He does have answers for yall that will not ruin your soul.

And yes, that was a mind blowing statistic.

Ok-Dust-4156 · 2024-04-16T16:20:53+00:00

Mental issues and mental illnesses are different things. If you have cognitive distortions like "black pill" then you'll have big problems with women. But it isn't an illness.

GYN-k4H-Q3z-75B · 2024-04-16T11:38:13+00:00

I think people who kill themselves have mental issues...

Away_Entrance1185 · 2024-04-17T08:52:31+00:00

There are no male clubs, men are often ostracised by women, meanwhile there are tonnes of female-only clubs and female-only programmes. This isn't a biological difference but a cultural one.

Want to see real equality? Go to a Communist society, men and women are largely equal, interestingly enough, Mainland Chinese men and women also commit suicide at near equal rates. The suicide rates are very clear examples of how the system fails and ignores men.

krackedy · 2024-04-16T11:20:45+00:00

Do you have the stats showing most men who commit suicide aren't depressed? I'm only finding the opposite conclusion when I search.

Imaginary-Being8395 · 2024-04-16T16:43:57+00:00

I belive this to be true also. We live in a society where young men (and other people for that matter) will be constantly bombarded with opposite ideas and then realize there's no true reason to live

SupposedlySapiens · 2024-04-16T14:33:24+00:00

Men are providers and protectors, but those roles have been made almost entirely obsolete in the modern world. It’s not a surprise that more and more men are falling into despair and hopelessness when they are unable to fulfill their natural purpose in life.

One-Preference7122 · 2024-04-16T14:34:36+00:00

I'm not very intelligent, but given it's known most men hide their mental issues because they've been shamed into it for generations, with feminism somehow making it even worse not to mention mental health care being pandered towards females I don't think it's fair to say that a good chunk of them that are LITERALLY blowing their brains out didn't have mental issues...

That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

Electric_Death_1349 · 2024-04-16T11:15:23+00:00

That video is 90 minutes long!

campskills21 · 2024-04-16T15:36:32+00:00

Suicide is on the rise is for both men and women. The first factor is inflation has made just living and eating as expensive. We’re being priced gouged from all angles. I used to love Taco Bell, now my meal is $13 instead of $4, so I don’t even go anymore.

The dating market and a relationship is an easy out from having to be social enough with friend groups to cure daily loneliness. If I didn’t have my girlfriend I would have to do a lot more things with my life with other people. My girlfriend just lives with me and is always there so I can just chill and be happy with that with her.

I’ve known 4 people that committed suicide, one was an ex fiancé. What I think was going on in their head was feelings of inadequacy, acting in a bipolar way to seek out rushes, then being impulsive. We associate suicide with hopelessness, depression, and mental illness and I don’t think that’s primary what was going on with the people I knew.

When people seek out any form of relationship they want what they feel is a balanced transaction. All types of relationships feel like more about seeking benefit from them, instead of just hanging out. I think the baseline entertainment of our phones has put more pressure on others to give them more endorphins than what a phone provides. What they don’t realize is no one cares that much about keeping their balance transaction they want. So some people end up feeling used in most relationships and friendships. If they feel like they are never getting what they want, that leads to thinking they themselves will never be good enough.

One of the guys I knew who committed suicide was very rich and hosted big parties with all sorts of beautiful and cool people. Obviously he was very well known, a lot of people wanted to be his friend and women threw themselves at him. I think he committed suicide because what he realized is people saw him for a transactional benefit and no one was really being his friend, instead wanted to use him for his social currency. You combine that with alcohol and amphetamine abuse, you’re going to get very down at some point about how you view the world and other people, and impulsively kill yourself.

Haunting-Run-5346 · 2024-04-16T11:49:35+00:00

interesting. so if said man was married/had a family and felt rejected by society and felt there was no place for themselves would they then become a family annihilator?

TRTGymBro1 · 2024-04-16T11:20:29+00:00

There is no blood test for depression dummy. It's all self reported so how the fuck would he know someone wasn't depressed. It is the only reason to off yourself barred and terminal illness.

TermAggravating8043 · 2024-04-16T11:29:00+00:00

I’m not doubting that mens suicides are a terrible thing and something needs to be done about it, but continuously bringing it back to the dating market is not going to help anyone. You can’t force people to like or date you, full stop.

Mens purpose shouldn’t be that different to woman’s, grow up, get a job that pays your bills, do what makes you happy as much as you can, hope you meet someone to share your life with.

The big difference between single woman and single men is the support systems around them, woman have always been the better communicators and find it easier to talk to strangers and maintain friendships, men have always struggled especially when they don’t have a primary woman in their lives then they isolate themselves.

What does need to be addressed is mens notion that you won’t be happy without a gf, not only is male suicide rising but violence against woman is rising too, we’ve all seen what happened in Australia and it’s certainly not the first.

Men need to have male support groups that don’t revolve around woman

Intellect7000 · 2024-04-16T17:59:52+00:00

Suicide is driven by mental health problems.

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DisenchatedRealist · 2024-04-17T02:06:00+00:00

The men that I know that either were in danger of (see below), tried or committed suicide were all in the military, or shortly after entering civilian life.

None had anything to do with women that was clearly evident.

P.S. suicide watch is for people that threaten suicide. Unofficial suicide watch is when everyone around a guy is worried, but he won’t even speak…

apresonly · 2024-04-17T18:22:32+00:00

yet its rare to see a married couple up close and think their relationship is healthy or aspirational

most marriages look like a nightmare

nightsofthesunkissed · 2024-04-16T14:17:47+00:00

They only "have no history or evidence of mental illness" only because they don't go and seek a diagnosis in the first place.

Men are much less likely to seek help for their mental health than women. Just because they haven't sat in a psych's chair doesn't mean they aren't struggling with their mental health.

It literally just means it hasn't been documented because they've not spoken about it. I think all that really shows is that those kinds of men would rather blow their brains out than make themselves vulnerable to further pain by opening up to anyone about what they're going through.

Mentally healthy people don't commit suicide.

flipsidetroll · 2024-04-17T12:06:04+00:00

Showing that you are missing the point completely and so does he. First, depression can often manifest as anger in men, so they and their partners may not recognise it as depression. And second, not having a history of mental illness doesn’t mean they don’t have a mental illness. It simply means they are undiagnosed. You have to be aware of your instability to seek help or listen to others observations about you to seek help. The very fact that their reaction to rejection is to go against all instincts to survive , and kill themselves, proves they do have a mental illness.

Weirdly, I think in his wanting to help men, he’s actually diminishing their chances to get help. They are no longer responsible for self awareness and now it’s society to blame. But many men have people who express concern and care about them, that the man’s anger would make them ignore. So they essentially ignore the small part which could help them and look to the big part that rejected them. Mental illness is a tricky beast….. the person living it will never think or see clearly, so they won’t process things correctly.

Nobody is responsible for anyone’s emotions or identity. Yes, many men don’t understand that. But it’s true. The answer….fuck society if it thinks it can reject men. It seems like men are too easily swayed by others defining them. As a group, they can very easily simply stand up and say fuck off to society, they can reject society’s rejection. To try explain better, imagine someone saying “well you’re fat and ugly” when you know you’re a skinny, sought after model. Would you accept their definition of you and never work as a model again? Or would you continue to accept jobs from people that want you as a model? A part of society rejecting you is not the whole. You know your worth. So why accept it?

It’s bizarre to me that men can’t put the suicide rate and mental illness together. But the stupid belief that they aren’t emotional, that women don’t care, that expressing concern about a man’s mental state is somehow belittling them, those are the damaging aspects that add to men being unable to face their problems. There certainly isn’t a simple answer. But I do know that much of the redpill ideology is immensely damaging to men even if it masquerades as trying to help. It plays the exact same cards as feminism does to women.

Of course men are needed and wanted. But perhaps it’s men’s “ability” to look at the big picture that is actually inhibiting their awareness at a self level. They see no fix for the big issue because they avoid their own mental problems. But a mental illness is not a weakness. It’s a part of life. Things happen. But not fixing it, that’s the problem. And I certainly don’t want any more men to hurt themselves.

berichorbeburied · 2024-04-16T12:10:19+00:00

Oh so when I said male loneliness doesn’t really exist. (In the sense of men who live in large populated areas). And it’s just a case of being weak

And because of being emotionally/physically/mentally/spiritually weak they are not able to survive not having purpose or not being loved or not having sexual experiences.

Everybody attacked my thoughts as being insensitive. And tearing down other men. “And not having empathy”. And being the source of toxic masculinity. And for being too stoic.

You said the same thing a different more palatable way. So I’m curious to see if you will receive the same comments/reception or not.

Title	Mental issues are not as prevalent source of problems as you might think
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Date	April 16, 2024 11:09 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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