Sure, I think some of the The Red Pill sub’s Endorsed Contributors (ECs) may have lacked the tact to articulate what they were actually meaning when they were emphasizing “lifting.”

The types of guys they would often get were guys who most likely had never put in effort for anything related to themselves improving, physically or mentally. Had never really exercised. And who were generally feeling super low about themselves.

I think the ECs were basically trying to say ”your body is probably the one thing you, more or less, have full control over. It’s not a fix to your life, but it is a boost to confidence to be able to see changes in that based on the hard work and sweat equity you put in. It does feel good and rewarding to be disciplined and see a payoff somewhere. Plus exercising hard can help release some rage. Let your body be that for you since the world’s got you down for now. And once you start feeling better about yourself there we can start to work on how to tackle the rest of your detriments.”

So “just lift bro!!!” was basically locker-room encouragement for the above.

But idk yeah maybe it’s true that hella men seem to suck at articulating their thoughts and intent as mentors, and on the flip side, hella men seem to suck at being mentees who are able to read between the lines. Issa terrible feedback loop sometimes 😅

Edit: Tho renowned painter Ernie Barnes seemed to have lucked out with a great (more articulate haha) mentor!

Reposting this guy’s comment from a week ago that touched on this:

The RedPill was a tool to help men in their general lives, not to shame women.

We used to discuss gym routines, wardrobe upgrades, telling your crush you like her and giving updates. It was fun days. People used to post their gym accomplishments, career stats etc.

It was a tool to help you become a better man, not to sit in self-loathe and self-pity but to realize that nobody is coming to save you. That your life is your own. I watched men on the path to divorce win back their marriage and families because of the RedPill, in real time, I seriously miss those days, I will never understand why Reddit banned it.

Now it's been turned into anti-feminism, hatred, selfishness, etc Only the people who were there on the RedPill sub 2013-2019 can tell you, this isn't what the RedPill was meant to achieve, it was meant to better men not hate women.

TLDR: Self-improvement wrt dating from a TRP stance was way more than “just lift bro.” It was about adopting a mindset shift while also learning to intuitively understand game and the triggers of female attraction. Inb4 black pillers™️ bastardize the intent, TRP never promised nor “guaranteed” an orc-looking guy was going to get the same outcomes as a “Chad.” It simply suggested that with a paradigm shift you’d be relatively better off than your starting point.

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