Most PPD debates gets us nowhere because of these 3 things.

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Kapoue · 2025-12-01T07:14:36+00:00

On point #2. Where is it stated in the rules that people should only discuss the reality of dating for 21 year old people?

Also, boomers are 60 to 80 year old now, I doubt many of them are arguing on Reddit 😜

Demasii · 2025-12-01T12:45:15+00:00

This list seem to be a list of your pet peeves than an actual analysis of PPD.

One of the things is just plain wrong. Plenty of men on PPD believe attractive means better. I read many men insisting on female commenters that they must be ugly and don't deserve better.

TopShelfSnipes · 2025-12-01T09:03:44+00:00

The only problem we have here is that nobody has any fucking evidence for the shit they claim and state. And when presented with counter-evidence to their points, they still don't change their view. This is just people looking for confirmation for their delusions about reality, which they mostly formed to protect themselves from the reality, that it is very much only on them, that they fail at dating.

Superb-Foundations · 2025-12-01T08:23:45+00:00

There is an entire generation between boomers and millenials...

AchingAmy · 2025-12-01T07:14:35+00:00

but using an anecdote against well established statistical fact is just pure stupidity.

Your example isn't a well-established statistical fact. It is a statistical fact that only 5% of men worldwide are 6 feet or taller. It's also a statistical fact that well over 50% of men are partnered. Given that disparity, it means a ton of men shorter than 6 feet were chosen.

They live in a world where dating apps wasn't a major thing and women weren't as much hypergamous like before.

Hypergamy would have a downward trend since gains from feminism and hypogamy is actually on the rise. Women would have a reason to look for higher status partners in the past because it was the only way they could improve their own status - as they were entirely dependent on family and then eventually their husband. Women, now, have a shot at raising their own status themselves - so less need to do so by partnering up with someone higher status than you. Whatever hypergamous behaviors you see are likely just leftover and are actually less of a problem now than in the past, because realistically, hypogamy is actually on the rise.

Also, dating apps are primarily a thing men use. Men often outnumber women on them by like 3:1. Women don't find partners from dating apps as much as you think. Many do so through other avenues moreso than men.

We also know the skewed views women have for men where an average guy is actually above average and women constantly go above their league.

That's just your opinion. Who is "above" another's league is subjective. I think most women are above most men's leagues, which is supported by a well-studied phenomena known as the gender attractiveness gap, where across all cultures, all genders, women are rated higher in attractiveness than men. Then in just thinking about how women and men are socialized, what a woman brings to the table in a relationship is more valuable than what a man does. Women are socialized to do their part in domestic labor while men are privileged with the ability to let that be handled by someone else(such as their moms growing up.) Among gen z, women are more likely to be working than men and are often also now earning more than gen z men(in a sort of reversal of the gender pay gap - which that gap now mostly exists among older generations and also whenever a woman decides to start a family because she will now be passed over for raises and such due to taking time off from work to be a mother. The same doesn't happen to men.) So yeah, I don't think most women are dating above their leagues. That would be rather difficult since most women are above most men's leagues. In reality, women often find themselves having to lower standards(standards which primarily would be just looking for an equitable partner) in order to find a partner, or else stay single. Many women are caught with having to make that choice of doing hypogamy or else stay single.

Lemon_gecko · 2025-12-01T06:51:16+00:00

where did you wanted to go? Why should it lead somewhere?
yes, yesterday was a thread, where you liked to act morally superior, that all people there know nothing, anecdote doesn't matter yet you fail to provide any data at all. You gave one study that you drastically misinterpreted and it wasn't even about your OP.
Boomer and older gen are just as part of the society as younger one, and guess what, they are also dating, why are you the default? Anyway, it's a bit ironic considering your first argument how you want people to be represented accurately. If you want a sub about young people - create one, but that's not it. I would say that some Indian guys less relevant to that discussions because of different culture and expectations, and yet they are free to be here and argue as they wish, it's up to everyone individually to check credibility of the source if you want to follow it.
Halo effect is real. Also the fact that attractive guy have more social interactions is real. Also that he has less triggers to be bitter is real. There are attractive assholes, and they attract traumatized women. There are pleasant attractive guys, they attract different women. And non-attractive people come in all shape and form, and there is no guarantee that this guy is nicer because he isn't chad and he is in "my league" or "below" whatever that means. Experiences of women just say this is not the case.

kmb218 · 2025-12-01T08:10:12+00:00

1) Women only dating tall guys is not a well established statistical fact. Short guys date all the time, just possibly (not sure if that’s true) less than tall men.

2) The average age for many developed countries is around mid 40s. So they are living the average guy experience to a greater extend compared to a 20 year old.

3) Why would anyone need to defend that they don’t or do want to date someone? If a woman only wants to date a guy with certain traits and prefers being single over dating a guy without such traits, what is wrong with that? Do you think people are obligated to be in a relationship at all times?

Siukslinis_acc · 2025-12-01T08:04:30+00:00

Sooo... basically the debates go nowhere because they don't agree with you and you don't agree with them?

Why is there a need for confirmation for the debate to go somewhere?

Debates can also be just an exchange of perceptions around a topic and there can be no "winner".

For the leagaues, unless we exchange photos of copies, then we can't tell much as who is attractive is subjective. And womwn can't win this: if the man is more attractive than the woman - the man is out of her league, if the man is less attractive than the woman - the woman is only for the money.

PuzzleheadedGrab8375 · 2025-12-01T08:17:34+00:00

I think this post is kinda funny. Your arguments are all over the place. I still don’t know what the PPD paradox is. You mentioned that only people who are non- conforming to the gender roles come here, yet you are here and a bunch of red pilled men and women too. You then shift to anecdotal evidence and use anectodal evidence to show how bad anecdotal evidence is…

Let me get some points straight:

Women are not only going for tall guys
By far not all women are hypergamous
The average young men is slightly more often single than the average young women.
I wouldn’t bet on many boomers being in this sub
Women dating good looking guys with bad character is very good comparable to men dating good looking crazy women. -> There are enough men and women who do that, but certainly a minority on both sides.

In principle i get where you are coming from. I am also living the life of an average looking men and i agree that women who are hypergamous or date significantly older guys, or date for money, should be called out more often for that. But there is absolutely no reason to make a fool out of yourself and generalise like crazy about women.

I am by no means blue pilled. Most comments i make on this sub critique feminism. But i am a leftist and think it’s a bit of a disgrace, that you call yourself one too.

Outside_Memory5703 · 2025-12-01T14:48:27+00:00

Why do you think the men here are average/normal ?

NoDanaOnlyZuuI · 2025-12-01T15:42:47+00:00

Re: #3 are we in the same sub? Because it’s mostly men who are obsessed with chads

Battle_Butler · 2025-12-01T06:50:00+00:00

I would add another thing, which this post is a good example of: The over-fixation on statistics about behaviour of other groups of people. Most posts on this sub deal with topics about what women do and what women don't, and are posted by young men. In this post, it is also the boomers. You almost never see a post by a woman, critizising women. I've never seen a red piller being critical of their own belief ("Are we just falling for grifters? Do statistics apply to an individual?").

Advanced-Ad8490 · 2025-12-01T19:31:14+00:00

Attractive people are better because they have more social experience and connections. Creating a positive feedback loop. Women value social value and competence very highly. I am a man and I accept this reality. Trying to claim there are other things more worth than being at the peak of the social pyramid is a futile effort that goes against human nature.

OpticalEpilepsy · 2025-12-02T00:11:21+00:00

The mods like u/GridRexx really need to enforce the top reply must challenge view in debate post rules. Most of the top replies in top posts are just mutual masturbation garbage for echo chambers not debate subs.

wtknight · 2025-12-01T12:44:00+00:00

They live in a world where dating apps wasn't a major thing and women weren't as much hypergamous like before.

I assure you that women were still hypergamous when I was young. I thought that it’s supposed to be a Red Pill “biotruth”, which mean that this behavior isn’t going to change over time since it is based upon biology and not some kind of social conditioning.

There may be a combination of several other reasons why men are having more problems attracting women, but I don’t think that hypergamy increasing is one of those reasons.

mcmlxiv1 · 2025-12-01T07:49:22+00:00

The guys here are normal, because men tend to want to find answers to solve problems, dating is a huge problem for most men.

The women here are autistic, bored or ugly, most women couldn’t give a shit about dating problems, it’s never their fault anyway.

Boomers are a real issue, I agree. Dating apps have changed the dating world completely and boomers help women deny their impact. Dating apps and social media is too powerful for women, I don’t even think it was feminism that caused the decline in birth rates I think it’s dating apps.

Why? Because Chad, to have so many quality men at your finger tips it is incredible, why would you want it to stop by having a family? It’s like when you get addicted to fast food do you think you want to eat broccoli (oofey doofey) for the rest of your life?

Boomers never had to deal with that shit, you could be a barely functioning ape of a man and get a wife and kids, now? You need a black belt in Thot mastery.

This is just my answer to part 2. Why would you choose to live and have sex with oofey doofeys when a Chad is an hour away?

And if by the grace of god women become a bit more humble and accept more normal humans they assume you need to fix everything about yourself personality, looks, money, treat them like this, give them that.

For what? So you can go swimming in a cave?

PPD to me is a place to observe the end of western civilization, by the hand of simps, white knights and feminists.

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OkOutlandishness6370 · 2025-12-01T06:48:07+00:00

I think the real reason debating here is useless is that you have two primary groups, men burned by shitty women, and women burned by shitty men.

Then the argument tends to go like this

"Women are kinda shitty"

"From my point of view the men are shitty"

"Well then you are lost!"

Meanwhile the chaotic evil members of both genders are just out there living life, partying, having fun, cheating left and right, using men for free meals, pumping and dumping, etc.

So no matter what happens we'll never have an honest conversation or debate in here because the side causing all the damage are not present to explain their side of the story. Although, I doubt they'd even be able to do so, because if their behavior was explicable then society would never have stigmatized it. I guess it always boils down to some variant of "I'm defective and don't want to fix myself"

But anyway, since those people aren't here to take blame, the "discussion" devolves into a slapfight amongst their collective victims among arbitrary demographic lines. Usually male vs female but not always (observe OP railing against boomers)

I don't doubt there is some antagonism in online spaces that is specifically about male vs female differences. But I really do think the more dedicated posters here are motivated by anger at people who burned them IRL, but have projected that anger onto an easier - albeit incorrect - target.

ThisBoringLife · 2025-12-01T19:29:06+00:00

I dunno about that second point. I've had older coworkers point out the same issues that's normally discussed here. I do get the issue that older folks don't have the same exposure/experience of the dating culture now, but some do, and they recognize it personally in their own experiences.

Jonesdm5 · 2025-12-02T03:47:26+00:00

The real issue is people just say shit. No evidence. Just vibes.

BigMadLad · 2025-12-01T06:54:09+00:00

I agree in concept that debating here is practically useless, but I think all the things you said are true in reality but None of that would matter if we had better ratios of eligible men and women. We essentially have a big chunk of dudes like you, And a bunch of old ladies who are married. The few young women we do have all had personal post histories of femcel sub, participation, clearly troll posting, or lesbian or asexual it still speak on straight relationships, or my favorite a handful are proven sex workers. I’m not saying the average dude on here is normal, but to me it seems like it follows one of the classic rules of the Internet: there are no girls on the Internet. If you are a successful young woman, why on earth would you be here. As such, abnormal, but still functional men look at the extremely dysfunctional women on here and think they are the normal ones, then get up in arms and become less functional.

ConstipatedAvocado · 2025-12-01T11:05:23+00:00

Shout out to u/BigMadLad for posting this gem:

We essentially have a big chunk of dudes like you, And a bunch of old ladies who are married. The few young women we do have all had personal post histories of femcel sub, participation, clearly troll posting, or lesbian or asexual it still speak on straight relationships, or my favorite a handful are proven sex workers.

Its an important post because it bugs me how many people dont seem to get this. There are very, very few normal women/"stacies" on here. The bolded is particularly problematic. I just find it utterly insane to have a bunch of women who are either sex workers, swingers or ENMs trying to lecture men on having healthy monogamous relationships with attractive women. Yesterday I was debating with a woman talking about struggling to find other bisexual clubs to fuck her in front of her bisexual/cuckold husband. There is nothing wrong with that, but I just think you need to be careful extrapolating out the preferences of women like that to the wider female population.

If you are a successful young woman, why on earth would you be here. As such, abnormal, but still functional men look at the extremely dysfunctional women on here and think they are the normal ones, then get up in arms and become less functional.

Again, another good point. I dont even know if I would call women on here dysfunctional as much as I would call then just non-confirming. I've had women here talk about how her and all her friends have a preference for gay men, you really have to understand just how much women here are not the norm.

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