Human females are attracted to status. That's it.
It has been like this from the pre-human time when the only way to get status was to physically fight and intimidate other males; plus, hunting was purely physical, too.
And here's the thing with the male's looks. The ideal human male is some variation of a 6'4", low hairline, square jaw, high cheekbones, broad shouldered, huge arms etc. It's hard to scratch the skull through thick hair, it's hard to break a square jaw, it's hard to aim for the eye when it's deep set and protected by the brow and cheekbones, it's hard to even get close when his arms are longer than yours and so on. If he's bigger and stronger, you typically lose. The ideal man is an ideal fighter, an ideal fighter is at the top when the status comes exclusively from fighting, either competition or prey.
During that time, you could immediately assess a male's status simply by evaluating his looks, compared to other males. That's where the male beauty comes from -- it's just a tool to quickly determine the status, the actual thing that's attractive.
But then, weapons changed everything -- the most primitive spear couldn't care less how good looking you are, especially if thrown from behind. Pure genetics stopped being the only factor, it was getting more and more about skill and experience.
That started confusing the female's instincts, and still does now -- a man can have high status, yet looking ugly; or he can look like an Adonis working at McDonalds and getting stoned all his life. Female instincts often can't figure out if that man actually has high status or not, because they're getting mixed signals like that.
That's why "what women want" is such a debate -- simply because they don't know it themselves.
Briefly on the male's attraction. Men aren't nearly as confused because we still rely on women giving birth more or less naturally, so their instincts are up to date, since fertility is what they want, and this is what is actually needed.
Thoughts?
EDIT: "Wide shoulders and huge arms" means robust bones, not big muscle.
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Obviously, I don't know your situation, but chasing professional goals can work if you: 1) Are successful (obviously, women hate failures). 2) Can acquire status along with these goals. 3) Make money and use this to build status. That's it, really.
But, yes, if you are 6'4 and fat, you are wasting that height (which is also an indicator of status).
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Are you getting your dates from the internet?
I've done OLD in the past. I assumed that I had been getting poor quality dates due to my height, but I have several tall, good-looking friends that report similar episodes of extreme craziness from OLD.
So it may not be your skill level. It may just be hard to find quality on the internet.
How old are you btw?
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I think men are the ones confused about what’s attractive to women because of the separation of status from physical prowess. I think the women who are attracted to “status” do a very cynical cost vs benefit analysis and go in to the marriage sacrificing looks for monetary gain. I think this is a conscious process. We’re aware when a guy is ugly as fuck and so we play up other aspects of his personality. That’s why women always say the #1 thing they want is a guy with a “good sense of humor”. Ugly guys get confused because they look at themselves and think “hey, I’m funny! Why can’t I get a date”?. Women understand the subtext here means he also has to be attractive to us and/or sufficiently wealthy. We just can’t outright say that because it’s rude, and because we know that the looks vs status ratio is negotiable and don’t want to put our foot in our mouths later if we end up with a hot fuckboy or a sugar daddy who looks like an ogre, we can always pretend like they’re funny.
Men of status are narcissistic and delude themselves into believing that women are naturally charmed by them. TERPs see older guys with younger women and come to the conclusion that status is the basis of women’s sexual attraction, it’s not. There is absolutely no way Melania was ever actually in love with Trump - she just saw a come up. You can see how continuously repulsed by him she is, but she played the game and secured the bag.
This is also why the entire world hero worships professional athletes and they get any woman they want. They are the top physical specimens in the world and also have money. Male strippers are always dressing up as police officers, firemen, soldiers, construction workers, etc. - They are men who display physical prowess. They are NOT dressing up as stuffy old white collar professionals and computer nerds.
However, you can take comfort that the average woman doesn’t put all that much effort into goldigging because a hell of a lot more of us would like to be with a man who we are attracted to, builds mutual respect, puts effort into the relationship, and shares similar interests, which the average guy can achieve handily.
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My experience with just about all of these social science studies is that male scientists project their own beliefs based on their observations of women’s behavior, regardless of what reality is. This is why we need more women in STEM, you continuously come to conclusions based on your own inherent bias.
This study you posted does not refute my point at all that women do a cost vs benefit analysis when it comes to marriage. Patriarchy is ubiquitous across cultures, which makes hypergamy necessary for survival. Other cultures also greatly restrict female sexual freedom - it is not acceptable for women to admit how much a guys attractiveness plays a role. I also said looks and status are negotiable ratios. Women are not confused by this choice, it’s a conscious trade off of one over the other.
If you look at our closest primate cousins, none of the females are particularly hypergamous even though they exist in a heirarchy. Two reasons: 1. Their access to certain resources aren’t dependent on males and 2. There is no social restriction on their sexual freedom. If the males want sexual exclusivity, they have to be big enough to fight the other males off. In fact, female promiscuity serves a biological basis:
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/12/female_promiscuity_in_primates_when_do_women_have_multiple_partners.html
You also have to consider the reality of postsat countries where women greatly outnumber men. Hypergamy is not possible in such scenarios.
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I feel like you’re writing a lot of words but not really refuting my points....
The outcome is not the issue we’re arguing, we’re arguing the causes of the outcome. Yes, most women will and would prefer to marry men with more perceived status. How much of that is innate biology and how much of that is influenced by social factors? I think it has a lot more to do with social factors than TERPS like to believe. I think a lot delude themselves into thinking that if they get to a certain social status they’ll suddenly be sexually irresistible to women, but the truth is women are making more of a conscious choice than you think.
Most people are quite greedy. The UMC will still strive to be the 1%. Millionaires play by different rules than just the UMC. In pop culture, you can see wealthy women date down financially all the time: Mariah Carey, J.Lo, the Kardashians, Jennifer Aniston, Giselle Bundchen, that Top Shop Heiress dating the convict, etc. This is also true when there is a huge shortage of males, like there were after the world wars.
Mate guarding and long development stages explain why men are monogamous - to ward off other primates and predators who might kill their offspring. They have to stay in close proximity at all times. But the biological necessity of female monogamy is unclear to me. The link I posted about chimps basically supports the idea that chimp females still sneak off with beta males and purposefully confuse paternity to get more resources. It seems female monogamy is coerced entirely by patriarchy because the men basically sequester women as much as possible to make this happen. How convenient that many religious and legal institutions since the agricultural revolution were all developed to enforce female sequestering (whereas as hunter gatherers were egalitarian and had worshipped female deities as well). I think this is one of the largest examples of male bias in the scientific/religious fields. Most evidence points to females not being monogamous at all.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/05/23/nytimes_on_lybrido_women_get_bored_with_monogamy_faster_than_men.html
Isn’t the jury still out on why this is? I feel like I remember reading something about it having to do with our large social groups.
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OMG JUST STOP. You TERPS need to stop spreading this misconception around. Seriously, you’re creating a bunch of Elliot Rodger types who think the world owes him Pussy because he’s moderately attractive. A creep is a creep regardless of his looks. James Franco, ed westwick, Danny masterson - all cute guys who are rapists and creeps. More attractive guys ALSO usually have better social skills, and THATS why they get rejected less.
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Didn't James Franco just pay some girl to take her clothes off for an acting part?
Feminists have taken this nonsense way too far, which is why people are starting to not take it seriously. You do realize that you all are hurting actual rape victims, right?
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You could have done 5 minutes of research before asking this stupid question:
https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/7pjxuf/whats_going_on_with_james_franco/dsiwrkp/
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Or I could have asked a smarter and more unbiased poster.
Do you have any legitimate sources?
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You do realize that you can't believe everything you read in the tabloids, right?
Again, I feel bad for all of the real rape victims with all of these false allegations going on in Hollywood right now that discredit them.
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Because he's famous and they're trying to get sympathy and attention. I could see Harvey Weinstein doing things like that, but why would James Franco need to sexually assault someone?
As I've written in other threads, I've worked in situations where I was exposed to many sexual assault allegations. The vast majority were proven false.
Unfortunately, these guys can't defend themselves against the court of public opinion and are subject to the whims of women that are likely just trying to get their 15 minutes of fame.
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No - their behavior around women makes them creepy. It’s how they approach women that gets them rejected. You think if Cosby were more attractive all those women would have been okay with being drugged and raped? GTFO. I can’t think of a single #metoo case that would have been okay had the guy been more attractive, not a single one. Stop spreading this lie.
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Do you have stats to back that up?
I think You completely misunderstand sexual harassment. Sexual harassment is propositioning women for sex at innappropriate places/times, coercing them through power or restrictions, or persisting after the woman has rejected you either verbally or nonverbally. This behavior is harrassment and it has nothing to do with his attractiveness level. Hitting on a girl once is unlikely to get even extremely ugly men a harrassment charge if it doesn’t violate one of those three rules.
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[–]Five_DecadesKnows what women want. Knows he doesn't have it0 points1 point2 points (6 children) | Copy Link
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