Do you have any beliefs that are "too redpill" even for mainstream TRP?

galileh · 2016-02-15T19:16:52+00:00

Like, any beliefs that align with TRP theory but they are pretty extreme? Like if you posted them on r/theredpill, people wouldn't react well?...

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Autopilot means that they just function. They go to work, do their things without thinking about it manually.

My first time taking MDMA opened me up and I realized that I've been like a robot the last couple of years. I did what I always did and everything became monotonous.

You know how you sometimes don't remember if you really locked the door some seconds afterwards? Your brain on autopilot does things like that and you don't even remember them a minute later. Now imagine your whole life being like that.

You wake up every morning, take a shower, brush your teeth, drive to work, do some mindless work for hours, get home, shower, get drunk or smoke some weed and go to bed. After doing this for too long it will become second nature and everyday is just an automatic sequence and weeks go by in lightspeed.

Taking some psychedelic drugs and starting to meditate opened me up and I got back to living manually again. I switched to my routines and started doing more interesting stuff.

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Say a monk, or religious celibate, was illiterate and spent all his days tending a small garden somewhere that served no particular purpose (as in, it's not providing food for sustenance). He is born, lives, and dies without ever knowing anything of the world beyond. Is he really 'not on autopilot'?

Or, let's take someone else, such as a Buddhist teacher and philosopher, who devotes his life to helping others develop themselves, travels all over, extends good will to all he meets, etc. but when he is at rest, perhaps eating or using the bathroom, he is pondering how else he can help others around him. Thus he must be at least partly on autopilot.

Perhaps I'm being pedantic, but I'm just looking for a more specific definition of 'autopilot'. I think I know what you mean, but I want to hear more of what it means to you to be sure

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Men are shitty too. Men can be shitty.

There are many bad men in the world, and they do bad shit. Men commit more violent crimes than women do, by orders of magnitude.

Men also do a lot of shit to screw up their relationships and their ability to get sex. Men often use dread and carry it much too far. Too much dread too soon, on a woman who is responding to it, will absolutely strangle a relationship and will grind a woman who "gets it" into the ground. Too much dread applied to a woman who is trying to change will kill the relationship and will make her absolutely HATE you.

(The rub here is that these facts are trumpeted everywhere; so they don't need to exist on Red Pill. Also, as I've said many times here, the fact that there are bad men who do bad things doesn't mean TRP is wrong; nor does it mean good men are responsible for the bad things men do.)

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"If he looked like the Elephant Man" --> please don't use an extreme as an example. You know any romantic relationship needs some kind of physical attraction to work, otherwise it will be a platonic relationship or friendship.

I'd be with any guy who is considerably nice, not creepy, and who is decent looking. There's no need to look like Tom Hardy to be attractive to me. Attractiveness depends on many other things besides looks.

Well, I see a nice guy as someone reliable, caring, someone who will protect me and give me safety. Someone who I know I can have children with. I can't see such a future with the so-called bad boys.

Nice guys are attractive because they don't make me feel anxious. They let me be myself and they love me for who I really am. I don't have to struggle to be something I'm not, I don't have to be afraid to do him nice things such as giving him a massage, cooking him dinner and then being afraid that he will take me for granted and kick me to the curb, because I know he is kind, emotionally available and appreciative.

I cannot have such a thing with a bad guy. Bad guys have this "super desired" aura just because of their sexual appeal but lemme tell you some things

Not all bad guys are good in bed
Bad guys tend to be the most boring and self absorbed men , impossible to handle in the long term.

And that's it. I'm 100% pro nice guys.

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I think I have just explained myself in my previous comment.

I don't feel comfortable with the idea of having sex with a potentially harmful man. I don't like bad guys. I wouldn't like letting a bad guy have control of my body and have such intimacy with me. Insecurity makes me anxious, it doesn't turn me on.

If a woman is turned on when she is feeling anxious or insecure, there's something wrong with her. And it is scientifically proven that women that are repeatedly involved with bad men and dysfunctional relationships have deep psychological issues. Any sane woman would REFUSE to be in a relationship with a player or a bad guy.

And yes, any romantic relationship has some kind of physical attraction, if there isn't an explicit physical attraction there are at least other traits in the person that compensate for the lack of beauty.

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Your wrong about Nigerians not being the most educated minority in america.

http://www.chron.com/news/article/Data-show-Nigerians-the-most-educated-in-the-U-S-1600808.php#src=fb

What else are you wrong about. Well while genetics = skin color, genetics dont = behavior. Genetics = predispositions that environment acts on to create behavior. Its well known that kids who are neglected in infancy and are never taught language at a specific age are never on the same level as their peers or even learn language at all. Humans are genetically wired to learn language easier but that doesn't mean having the wiring means it will or wont be used. This is one instance of a very complex trait. You look at someone black and you think skin = genetics = intelligence. Then I show you Nigerians use the wiring white kids do when their parents foster a learning environment then you turn around and tell me what have Nigerians ever done. Women and men are wired different because of huge differences in genes like complete different chromosomes. Not the couple polymorphisms that separate races. I dont dehumanize women, I just think they are wired different and have different needs and goals than men. I dont think different racial groups are wired significantly different for me to think they would fail where I have succeeded if they had the same everything. Also dont say we are done here like you dropped the mic on me, you sound like an autist.

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You sure you want to base your entire argument on IQ? How is it that every country is scoring higher IQ's every year? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect. Its because the IQ doesn't measure intelligence but the ability to fit into and succeed in western society. Also not all IQ tests are created equal. Some use English word play which right of the bat sucks. Some use abstract thinking which has to be taught.

Latin america while yes, they are agricultural has the unfortunate problem of extending north to south. Unlike Indian, Europe and china which are all on the same latitudes. Wheat for example grows in europe china and india. Corn didn't grow well in peru, and potatoes didn't grow well in Yucatan. So technological or agricultural revolutions didn't spread like they did on the Eurasian continent.

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Japan modernized because it had to. It made a good decision in modernizing compared to imperial China which modernized too late. Japan only became modernized and wealthy due to interaction with the West which was also ironically their eventual downfall. And even then Japan was the outlier. China, Korea, and the rest of Asia were still as poor and barely functional militarily as ever. Japanese salaries were still only a fraction of US salaries even in its heyday. Innovation had no part in their economic success before world war ii. just like the west they colonized and expanded.

After world war ii. Japan was economically devastated. Recovery would have been impossible. without the Marshall plan and trade favoritism Japan would be a shithole today. That is obvious.

North Korea post korean war was for a time actually wealthier and more economically stable than the south. Gradual tension with (due mostly to the idiocy of the Kim family) and the eventual collapse of the soviet union ruined them. As to your criticism of communist countries, the soviet union had at one point a much faster growing economy than the US along with a larger agricultural output and a comparable living standard.

Entrepots are not based on race but on location. Duh.

Colonialism in africa and hong kong are not comparable. Colonialism in many african nations was total and exacting, with locals controlling none or a very small portion of the economy, many essentially doing slave labor. This is based on the needs of the colony. The British has to train Cantonese locals in Hong Kong or else their port, trade with China, and interaction with other Asian countries would have been non functional. It was in their best interest to train up a local elite. in many African nations colonial needs were mostly material or agricultural. Training up a local elite would do no good for the colonial power. Colonialism ended (60s-70's) in Africa when the elite class was given more control of the economy in hong kong. If anything the elite class in many African nations rose up and resisted whereas in hong kong they remained under british control until they came under chinese control. Hong Kong was wealthy because it was a colony. Hong kong itself wasnt wealthy, the colonists and elites were.

hispanic?

Do you realize this is not a race, but a very diverse ethnicity? Stormfront harder next time.

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Microscopes and psychedelics are not at all comparable. Microscopes allow you to zoom in on the internal structure of whatever you are observing.

Psychedelics scramble the internal structure of what it is you are attempting to zoom in on, in this case the psyche. The thing is, you depend on your psyche to understand things so by scrambling your mind, you at once distort the image of how it actually functions and render it incomprehensible to you anyway.

The proper equivalence would be attempting to understand the structure of a plant cell with a microscope by observing an animal cell using a microscope with a cracked lens. You won't be able to see it clearly and even if you could it wouldn't be the same thing you are trying to learn anyway.

No, it's not about "experience" or "knowing" how to do it. I've got more experience in more psychedelics than most posers even claim to have. Anyone I know who also has similar levels of experience also agree. It's only "greenies" who think otherwise, kind of like how new drunks think alcohol makes them sing better.

Bitter pill to swallow, huh?

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Psychedelics scramble the internal structure of what it is you are attempting to zoom in on, in this case the psyche.

Zoom in on the psyche? How exactly does that work?

The point is simply that if you don't know how to use it, it's pointless. How the fuck do you 'zoom in' on your psyche? it doesn't make sense, and I didn't even say that you could. I actually don't think you understand what the analogy is about in the first place. Sounding autistic as fuck with your understanding of the comparison, you know that right? You know it has nothing to do with actually 'zooming in' on the mind right? Jesus Christ.

I've got more experience in more psychedelics than most posers even claim to have.

At some point intelligence becomes a limiting factor.

Anyone I know who also has similar levels of experience also agree.

Yep, like attracts like.

It's only "greenies" who think otherwise

Everyone who disagrees with me is wrong too.

Bitter pill to swallow, huh?

100% confirmed burn out psychodork.

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In modern societies, there will always be frustrated, murderous omega/beta men the same way there will always be an underclass or a small percentage of psychopaths in a population. In other words, there will always be Elliot Rodger, and the few things which have channeled their frustration for pro-social ends are no longer available, which were done through pre-modern institutions. This point tends to go unnoticed because TRP either doesn't understand hierarchy or ignores it completely, and instead touts an individualist/hedonist form of Game, taking on a position of "everyone is equally capable" which would make leftists seem conservative in comparison.

Ultimately, the current arrangement will continue to churn out more frustrated betas and murderous omegas, rather than the unrealistic outcome of "every guy becomes a Chad" which TRP promotes.

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OOH I HAVE THE PERFECT ANSWER. I dislike the label TRP. I dislike the political platform that comes with it. I'll assume you're talking about that category.

I believe women should not date until their parents have approved of their mate. I believe women should ONLY got for long term relationships, unless you know you're a [word-that-means-you-sleep-with-alot-of-men-indiscriminately].

So my perfect answer: I've been reading about the Asian belief of Yin and Yang, and I've always found it funny how women are categorized with chaos and evil, while men are the white part and goodness and truth. That'so blatantly anti-equality! But from women's actions I've found them to be very chaotic and anti-establishment. Recently, a 16 year old cousin of mine whom I care about who used to be a sweet girl, literally over the course of a month, lost her virginity to a guy, decides to leave the house and move out, started being rude to her parents, and hid all this. Her choice of mate? Her only reasoning being he has a good body and he does drugs. Did not listen to reason.

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for about 5000 years.

Lmao, humans didnt even arrive to western europe until 40,000 years ago. Compare that to 200,000 years for Africa, 100,000 for the middle east, 70,000 for India... white men caught up in record time and then promptly surpassed everyone.

Otherwise china would be going on about how chinese men are objectively better than everyone else.

Are you saying they dont? Chinese are notoriously racist and xenophobic. Its at least partly justified too since they are currently 2nd on the scoreboard next to white men.

Contrast this with the resentful, simmering racism of the prole/slave races which, lacking any achievements to argue their superiority, falls back on simply hating white ~~privilege~~ people as hard as possible. Nothing unexpected there - those who cant succeed, try to redefine success as immoral. Nietzsche anticipated and demolished all this leftist tripe over a century ago with the Genealogy of morals.

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Who cares when everyone was doing the same thing for like 100,000 years. The real shift in power came after the mega fauna died and humans had to resort to farming which turned out to make societies very centralized and powerful. There is a reason the 3 centers of agricultural revolution middle east, china and india were and continue to be economic powerhouses and world powers. There is also a reason they were surpassed, the reason is that the mongols who spared western europe but didnt spare china or middle east and many historians believe set each society back hundreds of years in every aspect. "Look up sacking of baghdad". "White" (because every storm front member defines it different), men didn't surpass shit till they managed to exploit every single native populace in the world. So easy anyone could of done it. It didn't take a cultural powerhouse to cough on indians and machine gun africans. Its just that china had no incentive to sail east in the 1500's because it didn't suck unlike overcrowded and disease ridden europe. Its like you didnt even read genealogy. Nietzsche clearly uses the blonde beast as a metaphor for aristocratic behavior that every race has members in. Nietzsche would of definitely agreed the mongols were "blonde beast" in nature for example. Besides the whole point of genealogy was to introduce the idea of resentment, bad conscious and why asceticism while producing great art is dangerous. You dont know shit about Nietzsche, philosophy, or apparently history and Nietzsche is probably rolling around in his grave knowing some inbred stormfronter is trying to shoe horn him into his ego stroking discussion.

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There is also a reason they were surpassed, the reason is that the mongols who spared western europe but didnt spare china or middle east and many historians believe set each society back hundreds of years in every aspect.

Oh please, point me to a serious military historian who believes the Mongols could have conquered Western europe, or damaged it to the same extent as China or the middle east. Europe had much tougher terrain (for horse nomads) than any of the other areas the Mongols had conquered, and was bristling with the best fortifications on earth at the time - every other group of mounted invaders had been stopped at the hungarian basin or earlier.

Not to take too much away from them, but the primary reason the initial mongol incursions into europe were so successful was the latter's lack of familiarity with the former. Given a few years to adapt, Europeans were able to make the necessary adjustments to inflict defeat on the enemy - relying more on stone fortifications, crossbows, and forcing the Mongols into seiges during which they could be starved/harassed and thereby weakened. Note how stone castles, the very hallmark of late medieval Europe, suffered no damage despite the bevy of seige engines employed by the mongols.

There is no way in hell the Mongols would've been able to deal with the likes of France or the Holy Roman empire with their thousands upon thousands of stone forts and castles. The Mongols had to employ a huge force to take one fortified city at the Seige of Baghdad - Europe had hundreds of comparable fortifications.

"White" (because every storm front member defines it different), men didn't surpass shit till they managed to exploit every single native populace in the world. So easy anyone could of done it.

The scientific revolution, age of enlightenment and industrial revolution had very little to do with "exploiting" foreign populations. "Anyone" could not have done it, or they would have much sooner. Look into the causes of, for instance, the industrial revolution and you see one long unbroken chain of European economic and technological innovations for manufacturing raw materials FROM Europe, exported TO other European markets. It was only after the development of factories, steam power, etc. that colonization, and "exploitation" of the third world became possible. I'm not sure exploitation is the right word for accelerating civilization in Africa from 5,000BC levels to its present state, btw.

Again, find me a serious historian who thinks colonization led to European ascendancy - it was the latter that enabled the former.

Besides the whole point of genealogy was to introduce the idea of resentment, bad conscious and why asceticism while producing great art is dangerous.

You write all that as if it somehow refutes my point, while if anything you've strengthened it. If the mongols at their peak were blonde beasts, then the actual blondes at our peak most certainly were. What is modern leftism if not the attempt to impose bad conscience and restrict the will to power? The very idea that whites should be unashamed of our power/dominance and continue to pursue it is an obscenity to the left. SJWs, feminists, leftists - all classic cases of slave morality, of resenting the strong, the dominant, and making them out to be evil.

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The terrain would of been an issue but the fortresses are laughable. The same group of conquerors that took out the georgians would have been able to take western europe. The problem was that after jebe, subetai, and ghengis died the leadership and discipline which was mongolias greatest strength failed.

I would argue that the industrial revolution was after mongol conquest and thus china india and the middle east were already out of the race. But if the white race is intrinsically better shouldn't they have always been superior technologically wise? Why is it that the geats and celts were roving bands of herders much like same modern day africans. Why did it take so long for western europe to catch up first then to race past? Its because they werent agrarian societies which form the basis for any cultural or scientific advancement. The climate and local plants and animals limited where agrarian societies you even spring up in the first place. So if it hadnt been for the romans that introduced western europeans to agrarian culture it would still be a back water.

Also in terms of going from 0 to modern day wouldn't africa take the cake? Like you said they went from 5000 bc levels to nigeria having over 20 polytechnic institutions.

No what im saying is that blonde beast isnt literal. Its a metaphor for a life style. You are to hung up on the blonde part. It doesn't add to the beast. Blond beast in Nietzsche mind were roving bands of conquers who ended up ruling the masses. There is so many "blond beasts" in history. Nietzsche was probably referencing the conquest of england by the saxons, but it could be the aryans (persians), or the mongols, or the mali, or the aztecs.

Any sort of society with laws imposes bad consciousness it is because of this duality of instinct and law that will to power turns inward and art and science are created. Would you give those two arts up to have the ability to rape and pillage? Nietzsche never advocates a return to mindless blonde beast status. Nor does he advocate a soul less obedience to the law. Being an ubermenche a state of mind where you set your own laws and morals. You dont need to be any race to believe in that.

Modern leftism is simply popular appeal. Just like in roman times when tribunes promised more than they could give to the plebs. There are definitely elements of slave morality in all of the left. But there are also elements of insecurity and mental weakness in the right. Wasn't it Nietzsche who said that the mark of strength of a society was the number of parasites who it could hold. Both sides are diseased mockeries of ideals which is what you get when you have career politicians.

In the end most racist I know are more cultural dawrins than anything else. Which is exactly what Nietzsche was. I cant deny some modern day minority cultures are toxic as fuck. But they didnt develop these in a vacuum. In my opinion western europes ascendancy was more by chance than by action. After that they exploited everyone to feed themselves even though I wouldn't expect any other country or group of people to not do the same. Besides stereotypes are fine, they exist for a reason. But if you tune someone out or refuse to learn from someone because they are just a different skin color even though you might have similar ideals and would of been your best friend or the best teacher you've ever had. That's self destructive.

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Okay then.

Which day would you rather live through?:

A. If you were walking to work through a park on Monday and this happened to you:

a man jumped from the bushes and belted you around for fifteen minutes, but didn't leave any cuts or permanent injuries. Afterward, everyone you know knows about it.

B. If you were walking to work through a park on Tuesday and this happened to you:

a man jumped from the bushes, tore your clothes off, and then rammed his penis into your ass for five minutes then rammed it down your throat for another ten minutes and ejaculated. You don't know whether he has HIV or diseases. Afterward, everyone you know knows about it.

So, which day would you rather live through? Monday or Tuesday?

Women would 100% say they'd rather A. Monday happened to them than B. Tuesday

But it sounds like you don't care either way? Is that correct?

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I understand why you'd say that, but I think you're trying to apply linear logic to an illogical function. For instance, if a straight man was raped in prison - but was in prison due to a woman - who hurt him more?

But that's putting a twist on it that wasn't in my original scenario. I'm talking about a man raping a man in a park or somewhere else that isn't in a prison.

And if a man is in jail due to raping a woman, he already hates women.

If he's in jail due to a false claim by a woman and then is raped by a man - yes, he might fear women after that. But in a different way. He still wouldn't fear that a woman is going to drag him into the bushes and rape him.

Not fearing women, per se, but fearing sex. If he's heterosexual, that easily translates to fearing being with women intimately.

Yes. That could happen.

Still, he wouldn't fear that a woman is going to jump out at him from bushes etc. Every woman wouldn't seem a potential rapist. Having sex with a woman wouldn't directly being back direct memories of the rape - because a woman has totally different parts and is not male.

It might indirectly bring back memories - but not in the same way as a woman who was raped by a man. She has to get past having a penis penetrate her again.

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I'm talking about a man raping a man in a park or somewhere else that isn't in a prison.

Yes, and we know from studies that stranger rape is almost nonexistant. Especially male on male. We're talking hypotheticals here. I engaged yours. There's no need to deconstruct mine in an attempt to invalidate it.

And if a man is in jail due to raping a woman, he already hates women.

I didn't say he was in jail for raping a woman. Nice projection though.

But in a different way.

How do you know? Are you a man? What experience do you have to make absolute statements like that?

Having sex with a woman wouldn't directly being back direct memories of the rape

You don't know that, you are making sexist binary assumptions again.

It might indirectly bring back memories - but not in the same way as a woman who was raped by a man. She has to get past having a penis penetrate her again.

So you're saying that male PTSD is not as strong or worthy or valid as female PTSD? Why is that? Seems like you're simply latching onto a double standard now.

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I'm speaking facts about the world, and you guys, and how you all treat rape victims.

Right now, women abducted and raped by Boko Haram (I know you're out of touch with the news, so let's say Bad Guys) are being thrown out of their homes and ostracized by their families because they were raped. Some have children by their rapists and those kids are suffering too. If these women had just been beat up and not raped, do you think they would be thrown out of their houses?

Do you think a father will throw his daughter out of the house for getting beat up? How about for being raped?

I didn't say "physical abuse". You're deliberately making it a bigger deal. You're trying to say a punch in the face is just like a rape.

Edit: Have you seen what your boys and yourself say about women who have been raped? Mostly that it doesn't matter and didn't actually happen.

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Does this sort of comment have any place in a logical debate? you are proving his point about society in rape.

Why yes. It does serve a place in a logical debate. His Grandmother is a woman capable of falling victim to rape. In fact, OP himself can fall victim to it as well, but for the sake of taking in consideration someone outside of his immediate field of vision - which would be the young women he's most like referring - I'm providing a case where the victim is a woman is who is dear to him and highly vulnerable. OP considers it cruel punishment when it's done on men, yet somehow he views it as just "holding a woman down, scuffing her up and penetrating her" when it's done to women. His Grandmother is a woman. Would he react the same way if somebody raped his Grandmother? How about your's?

Do you ask.. "what if it was your brother who had his car broken into" when considering a death penalty for theft? Fucking stupid ass people...

I mean you came in here guns a-blazing talking about comments having any place in a logical debate and then you drop this nugget of pure WTFery

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Why is it so easy to accept women and men having different traits, strengths, and weaknesses, but not different races?

I've gotten into it before, but it is because gender is really the biggest divider among humans. It is down to our chromosomes. There are sex chromosomes, are there any race chromosomes? Our development falls along gender lines (with the Wolffian and Mullerian systems) - and this extends to organs, hormones, and even roles in reproduction.

The last time I got into this discussion, incidentally also with a red/purple pill woman, the discussion was about height. Her argument was that white men are generally taller than West African, South/East Asian, and Hispanic men, so why was it hard to accept that there were differences between the races just like men are generally taller than women. The rub is that those differences between races are environmental, the differences between genders are much more than that. This can be seen in the dramatic increasing height among rich Asians (like those in Korea, Singapore, upper class China, and upper class India) as well as the trend for Asian Americans to be taller than Asians. However, women will never see this same kind of thing. Women will always be shorter than men of their same environment. Women in Africa, Asia, Europe, wherever will always be shorter than men in those same places. If you take a short African and give his descendants the same upbringing as a tall European (nutrition wise mostly), they will eventually even out - as seen in the heights of black and white Americans.

Take that same concept to things different between races and genders. Gender is too different from race to try and equivocate the two. Also race is along a gradient, gender is not. There are mutations among genders (XXX, XXY, intersex, etc) - but those are aberrations and most are not fertile. A person may be Asian and white (with differing proportions even among those who are mixed), while being a man and woman is a disorder. Racial differences are due to a series of mutation to adapt to different environments, while gender differences are not.

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For such a big white brain, you sure lack reading comprehension skills. Again the authors of the study found it inconclusive.

Waldman, Weinberg, and Scarr (1994) responded to Levin (1994) and Lynn (1994).[7] They noted that the data taken of adoption placement effects can explain the observed differences; but that they cannot make that claim firmly because the pre-adoption factors confounded racial ancestry, preventing an unambiguous interpretation of the results. They also note that Asian data fit that hypothesis while being omitted by both Levin and Lynn. They argued that, "contrary to Levin's and Lynn's assertions, results from the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study provide little or no conclusive evidence for genetic influences underlying racial differences in intelligence and achievement, " and note that "We think that it is exceedingly implausible that these differences are either entirely genetically based or entirely environmentally based. The true causes of racial-group differences in IQ, or in any other characteristic, are likely to be too complex to be captured by locating them on a single hereditarianism-environmentalism dimension."[7]

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"They (white women) are by far the sluttiest, most coddled, entitled, and unfeminine creatures on the planet."

Fine

"You are using the same arguments as a dumb white liberal arts bimbo"

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"You are one dense white bimbo."

Removed- Personal attack

"Doesn't matter the age of political belief, white women are spoiled soplistic human beings."

Fine

It's not genetic or anything, it's just that society has coddled you and encouraged you to be awful.

This part is uncivil and personalizing the issue, so comment removed anyway.

White women are the most spoiled and entitled of all people.

Fine

I mean I guess you are white and it's just hard to admit that even though you have been handed everything on a silver platter you still want even more as you get fatter and fatter, and cry about men not finding you fuckable.

Same as before, this is uncivil and personalizing the issue, so comment removed anyway.

"the adoption studies are inconclusive you retarded cave bitch."

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I believe that viewing white women as superior to women of other races and even men as a laughable notion. Your arguments for white men being superior make sense, and your analysis of Asians and Blacks aren't ludicrous, but you are completely wrong about White women being superior. They are sluttier, more coddled, more entitled, and less feminine than women of other races. I know for a fact many men, across different races, hold this view. Asian women are by far the most superior women. There is a reason why they are perceived as the most attractive. They are less likely to be obese or overweight on average. They are stereotypically more feminine and are more likely to be sweet and submissive. And if you want to discuss the purely physical and sexual aspects of Asian women, then guess what: many men feel that they have tighter vaginas. Women go on and on about how dick size is important, well guess what, men care about how tight a woman feels, and I've seen many say that Asian women have the best goods.

I'll agree that White women and women of other races are better than low-tier men. But mid-tier and high-tier men are better than any woman period. There is too much evidence to dispute this, whether it be the number of successful male inventors, CEOs, government leaders, or any other position in modern history that has led to the advancement of society.

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The way an Asian woman treats her son is not how she treats her husband.

An Asian woman, much like any other woman, will most definitely walk all over her husband if he lets her. A woman being bossy and controlling and narcissistic is not limited to Asians.

An Asian woman being concerned enough to monitor and attempt to help her child succeed is much better than a parent that simply does not involve herself with her child's life.

roflol oh boy. You should marry one.

I find it interesting how, considering you wrote about people getting hurt feelings, that when someone says something contradictory to your worldview (and possibly offensive) you simply laugh it off instead of being introspective. In any case, it is your loss.

To clarify, I am not referring to Asian women born and raised in the West. They are just as slutty as White women. I'm talking about Asian women raised in Asian countries. Yes, Korea, Japan, China, and India are being perverted by feminism currently, but it isn't as bad as the West is.

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I didn't laugh it off. I've heard "Asians are worse than Whites" or some variant of it for over 2 years. I've understood the arguments behind it and agree with some of it.

First, you're limiting yourself to the western geographic regions. On a global scale, White, Asian, Latina, and other women are desired. Visit places like Dubai, Mexico City, and Tokyo, i.e. places where white women are not the majority. There is no widespread fetish for importing White women from the west and marrying them.

Second, I will agree that physically White women can be very desirable, but in the context of marriages and long term relationships there is a growing portion of men wanting mail-order brides, women from Ukraine and eastern Europe, and from Asia because they believe those women are better relationship material. I don't think that all of these men are wrong or incorrect in their views.

If White women are so desirable for long-term relationships and marriages, why are events like the sexodus happening? Why are more and more western men choosing the path of "MGTOW?" Why are there hordes of men that are seriously interested in getting sexbots? It's because they feel as if western women are unfeminine and simply not worth it.

The reality of the situation is this: White women are very desirable physically. But more and more men, including white men, are beginning to realize that white women are not the best option for marriages. White men will look down on Asian women for not being white, because in their eyes white may be the epitome of female beauty, yet they will still marry the Asian woman because he feels it is a better option in the long run. I've seen examples of this.

Here is what I think is happening. Many women, especially white women, including yourself, go on and on and on about how Asian men are less attractive than White men, how Blacks aren't as attractive, etc. You and other RPW and BPW do this routinely. This subreddit has had many threads where the OP is an Asian man saying "how can I be more successful with women" (or some variant of that) and all of the comments tell him that he isn't as attractive as white men.

Asian men are used to this kind of treatment.

But the minute someone says something negative about white women, those very same white women, including yourself, are in complete denial. I don't believe you think what I am saying is ridiculous because I'm stupid. I think you don't believe what I'm saying because it sounds too crazy and silly to be true. And I think you feel this way because on this subreddit, and other similar discussion forums, no one bothers to admit that they don't think White women are the best for long-term relationships. Physically speaking, hot white women will always be hot, just like hot Asians, hot Latinas, and hot Black women (as rare as they are) will always be considered hot. But for long-term relationships? White women are not the best i.e. not the most feminine, akin to how Asian men are not perceived as the most masculine.

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The truth remains however that a slender kind white girl will always have more options and higher value options than a slender kind Asian girl.*

In terms of receiving sex, I agree. However, in terms of relationships, I disagree. In the west sure the white woman has an advantage, but not so across the world. And in the U.S. men are slowly beginning to realize and accept that for stable LTRs/marriages you don't choose white women.

There are two types of white men I'm describing. The first is the type you describe: the low value men whose SMV is low. But the second type I'm also describing, that I don't think you believe exists is the type of men that have SMV and use it to get a girl from overseas. These men can get white women that are attractive but don't. They instead get foreign women because they feel it is easier to control them and have a successful relationship with them. I readily admit that these men are not the majority, but this small minority is beginning to grow. I have read forums outside of TRP on reddit and talked privately with some people and the sentiment is that it's simply easier and less stressful than to find a white woman that isn't as slutty even if she's hot.

all white girls have to do is start dieting and being nice again.

I think that is legitimately going to be difficult for western women.

I don't know enough to say. I do know however that many of the foreign Asian international students in my school choose to date and marry white women who are chubbier, sluttier, and more bitchy than the female Asian international students.

That is interesting. I have not observed this personally. I will pay attention closely to their behavior.

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Title	Do you have any beliefs that are "too redpill" even for mainstream TRP?
Author	galileh
Upvotes	9
Comments	388
Date	February 15, 2016 7:16 PM UTC (10 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/45y4o6/do_you_have_any_beliefs_that_are_too_redpill_even/
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