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Always Prepping...

by SteelSharpensSteel | March 13, 2020 | askMRP

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Given recent events, I am putting up a thread for folks to discuss what they are doing for coronavirus planning. Normally we like to keep this subreddit on topic, but this is a occasion where exchanging notes is very useful.

Keep the thread on topic, as it will be moderated.


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Title Always Prepping...
Author SteelSharpensSteel
Upvotes 18
Comments 235
Date 13 March 2020 02:04 PM UTC (3 months ago)
Subreddit askMRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/354004
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/askMRP/comments/fi057c/always_prepping/
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[–]InkD_PipeHittR19 points20 points  (4 children) | Copy

Before coronavirus I used to cough to cover a fart. Now I fart to cover a cough..

[–]Over60_FireTempered3Red Beret5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

As you age, the new word will be "simultaneous"...

[–]markpf731 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Especially for red after all that ass play of his...

[–]InkD_PipeHittR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Words of wisdom

[–]zuhal932 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This shit is really why I lurk on this subreddit. The best.

[–]_-resonance-_7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

BROS, if everything falls apart, we’ll just build forts, grow crops, and trade with each other. Can’t you guys just feel that? THAT’S what feelings are for, ladies. This is what we do. Survive. WITHOUT GODDAMN TOILET PAPER.

[–]LghtrThrstngGods1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

WITHOUT GODDAMN TOILET PAPER.

Don't be a pleb, spend the $$$ for a cold water bidet.

You're welcome.

[–]Balls_Wellington_Main Event + Coronavirus9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't need to wipe, I do the splits like Jean-Claude Van Damme and the turd never even touches my skin.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockBig Red Machine28 points29 points  (20 children) | Copy

1) Opportunity to display leadership skills to wife and kids. Didn’t make it a big deal but I’ve been slowly And quietly prepping over a month- cases of water and can goods stored up- check. Gun and ammo- check.

2) Explaining to kids the important of remaining calm and Level headed.

3) Pointing out to my kids all the triggered fat fucks -men and women on Facebook and their Feelz rants.. All based on Feelz. “I want my sports, I want my parties, this is so stupid , all media hype to derail trump. The flu is worse than this”. Lazy, selfish, spoiled fuck fats. Low T levels. Don’t be like them. All consumers.

4) chance to show kids how a reasonable person should look at the data and make reasonable decisions. Learn to think for yourself. Showing my oldest how to graph #cases as a function of time, to show how it’s not linear. Explain the reason why we’re taking precautions now - avoiding large crowds- is to get in front of this exponential curve.. because its coming. Can’t have the hospitals over loaded and some there’s not that many ventilators.

I’ve been tracking this since the beginning. Predicting we’re be in lock down mode in about a week and will probably last 7-8 weeks.. look at the patterns. This is what it shows. Not the end of the world, Just be prepared. The masses of people out there might lose their jobs and will be desperate.

5) chance to Game the wife extra hard. And Fuck extra hard.

6) Calm, decisive, cocky funny attitude.

7) bought a freezer at depot and stocked it with meat. Got the board games ready to play with the kids.

8) I told my wife back in December this will start to happen. Looked at me like I was crazy. Told me last night “MCT you were right all along”. Gave her a wink and smirk. Of course I was.

Time to separate the men from the boys... faggots. Don’t be a feelz faggot on Facebook. How you act now will remain with you for the long game. As a man, you owe it to your family to be prepared for this.

Be safe.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"9 points10 points  (18 children) | Copy

Agreed. Since I spend time on two continents I see both sides and actually left Italy shortly before this went south.

There's a lot of laissez-faire in this sub, though that's to be expected. I imagine the sub is largely American, like me.

It's been a hobby of mine to study pandemics and "virus-x" for a good 15 years.

The only adjustment I'd make relates to your suggested 7-8 weeks lock down. Many people are treating this like a hurricane or a tornado, kind of a one-time-thing. Pandemics of the past don't behave like a hurricane, they behave more like a long, stormy winter, perhaps one that becomes the new normal, perhaps a series of winters.

In the past, viruses have tended to mutate. In the past, viruses have tended to return again, serving up a second wave (or more), especially as society tries hard to return to a "normal" routine. Often, the uber-effective social distancing that helps keep a virus contained is relaxed and met with a resurgence of disease.

There's a lot of hope to have a vaccine fast. Months maybe. Keep in mind that the zika vaccine from my backyard was developed in seven months, though not actually utilized since that (comparatively tame) epidemic never took root. Usually it takes more like a couple years. There's still no vaccine for AIDS.

While dudes should certainly not panic, and while they definitely need to lead their families, companies, and employees - anyone failing to consider and be prepared-for a long-haul that will most certainly change our short- and medium-term way of life - is making a poor choice in my opinion.

I'm in an interesting "melting pot" right now. Just a couple hours west of me is essentially the country's largest retirement community and the feedback is that old people aren't taking things too seriously. Maybe some don't care too much. Most likely they're simply not educated, they grew up with books and radio after all.

At the same time, right here we're inundated with young spring breakers who don't give a damn and will fly anywhere to save a dime. Only LIV has closed, E11Even, Nikki Beach, and the like are still packed. At least they called-off Ultra.

Since good-old 'Merica is such a fat-ass country - where every third person has diabetes, obesity, or metabolic syndrome - I imagine our doctors and nurses are not excited about the coming weeks and months.

These are fascinating times.

[–]FoxShitNasty832 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

serving up a second wave (or more), especially as society tries hard to return to a "normal" routine.

Exactly this

[–]EasyDaysHardNights1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's been a hobby of mine to study pandemics

Any information sources you particularly like? I'm particularly curious regarding economic assessments.

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy

I've been totally laissez faire about this. I've just been looking at the infection numbers and death rates, thinking there's nothing to worry about - at least for me and my family - but the reality is the knock on effect it will have on everything else over the coming months.

This thread is an eye opener. Time to stock up and put a 3 month plan into place.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret[S] 1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy

What people aren't talking about but will happen is the impacts to the supply chain. Between now and mid April, I think we're really going to be seeing some impacts.

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy

The government here are saying that they have confidence that the supply chain will be unnaffected. But they've shut down all schools and childcare facilities.

Most people working in food production and delivery will be hit by that measure and will need time off work to look after their kids. Add to that the number of people who will get the virus and you have an industry at half capacity.

The supply chain will be hit hard. I'm not panic buying but over the next week, I'll be stocking up the cupboards and freezer for the inevitable.

Thanks for posting the thread - a real eye opener for me.

[–]Tyred_Biggums1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy

I was in Ireland last week watching the news in the lunch room and the PM said that “supply chains would be unaffected”. One of the other supply chain managers laughed out loud.

The question is the level of impact. We already have issues getting components from China and our safety stocks are nearly depleted. Our manufacturing site there is still shut down. Our DC absentee rate in Europe is creeping up. Our Eastern Europe manufacturing facility is at about 80% of needed output with higher absenteeism.

We carry about 4 weeks of safety stock on our major products and have started to dip into that.

And we make medical devices - respiratory and critical care. All the stuff that’s going to be in high need.

I would expect food shortages to not be a major issue due to shorter supply chains, but there will be limited selections. OTC meds, personal hygiene products at a higher risk of shortages.

Other products will be affected but demand will drop so much there shouldn’t be major shortages - electronics for instance.

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

Ireland will go into total lockdown on Tuesday. Government to announce tomorrow. Army on the streets as soon as. Gonna be crazy

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I've had success going to the grocery store right when they open. It's a disaster any other time. I'm considering stocking up a bit more than normal given how real it just got here (for me personally, that is).

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I went to an Asian store this afternoon. Place was empty. Got some great deals on large bags of rice, flour and spices. Have enough non persishables now for a month.

Still no major panic in this part of the country. Everyone pretty relaxed about the whole thing. The only items I saw sold out in shops were liquid soaps and condoms. So, lots of hand washing and fucking going on.

[–]Tyred_Biggums0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

All my Irish coworkers seemed much more concerned than the Americans who were there. I’m not sure why that is.

At one point we had to tell them to focus on the workshop and stop talking about coronavirus.

What’s the rationale for total lockdown? There’s a moderate amount of cases and if borders are closed, pubs are closed, then it should limit the spread pretty effectively.

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I might be wrong about the total lockdown... Rumours could well be wrong.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Your douche-bag-in-charge is making the biggest gamble in the history of the world right now. He's attempting to flatten the curve by infecting early (or so he says). Look at the number of hospital beds per-citizen, compare it to South Korea, and see if you think he'll be successful.

It was clear that good ol' 'merica was handling this pandemic much more poorly than any other country on the planet.

Then I read about the Boris plan.

Good luck dude.

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Ireland was once under the rule of Britain. We fought the fuckers for over 100 years and managed to get rid of them in 1916.

Shortly afterwards, Ireland became a Republic and has been a sovereign state since then.

Not the entire island though. There are 32 counties in Ireland. 26 of the counties are under Irish rule. The remaining 6 counties - known as Northern Ireland - stayed under British rule.

Long story short.. Boris has nothing to do with Ireland (South) and has reduced powers over the North, which is now largely self governing.

Thank fuck. The guy is a gimp.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I thought you were in England for some reason. Good that you're not - it's going to be a shit-show. England and US will be vying for fucked-up asshole choices of the millennium honors.

Are you a leprechaun?

[–]FoxShitNasty830 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The guy is a gimp.

Can confirm

[–]vithus_inbau0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In Oz the trucking industry will collapse to a certain extent, so food deliveries to major supermarkets will be affected. We don't have enough semi drivers now - they are imported from India and can only drive forwards.
When guys get crook/locked down and have to stay home gonna be a lot of trucks parked up.

[–]dilberryhoundog0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Largely agree here.

In all likely hood, this thing will keep going until we all have enough natural immunity, to stop it vectoring.

could be weeks to years.

- Becareful of a vaccine that had 0 stocks available then 3-6 months later, billions of stock (7 billion people to immunise). The production and distribution logistics of doing this safely and effectively are immense.

[–]mrpmonk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

freezer at depot

Went to Costco to find a chest freezer for my proteins, it's not worth it at this time. Was there any offer at depot?

[–]UnbreakableFrame31 points32 points  (35 children) | Copy

I'm just living life normally. Enjoying the empty gym.

[–]2ndalRed Beret6 points7 points  (33 children) | Copy

Don't be selfish. This isn't about whether you are going to get sick or not, it's about taking measures to protect the spread so that others who are are much more likely to succumb to this virus have a smaller chance of getting it. Not doing so is akin to being a fucking antivaxxer. Stop it.

[–]UnbreakableFrame20 points21 points  (2 children) | Copy

See, if you ask me, what's selfish is going and buying 3 months of groceries, knowing that you are participating in emptying out entire stores before others even get a chance to buy enough supplies to last the next few days.

[–]2ndalRed Beret12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're right, that is also selfish.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This!!!!!

[–]InChargeManRed Beret3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

What's wrong with you?

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think I get where 2ndal is coming from and believe that it's as simple as a miscommunication. As these one & two retards who replied to him make clear, this coronavirus has become a political hotbed of opposing ideologies.

I interpreted OP's comment the same way 2ndal did, though after reading your comment, re-read it and realized I had "read too much into it."

OP says "living life normally" (good, in spirit) and "enjoying the empty gym" and somehow, some way I, too, read that as "fuck everyone else, each to their own, to hell with grandma and grandpa."

Why? Simply because there's so much of that going on - along with its antithesis - as evidenced by these two other douchebags mentioned above.

While so many people have adopted the "fuck everyone else" mantra, OP actually has not. Clearly we're all a bit burdened by too goddamn much craziness and bullshit.

... As clearly showcased by the two whiney homosexuals I referenced twice above.

[–]UnbreakableFrame6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I appreciate this comment. You are exactly right. My post was not intended to be some giant middle finger to society.

[–]hack3geRed Beret3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Haha you think on a sub where we teach guys to live their own life and judge themselves they are gonna give a fuck?

I give two fucks what you tell me I should do or what you think of me. I’m just laughing my ass all the way to the bank because it’s the same shit every fucking time - SARS, MERS, etc.

The reason MRP works is because humans are predictable and their behavior is rooted in very basic models. Just like women act based on millions of years of evolution so do humans in general.

The species could use a good culling - humans are fucking stupid and cause 99% of our own problems. We have become weak and lazy. We would do well as a species with a good hard reset.

[–]dilberryhoundog-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

This reply should be pinned to the top.

[–]xX_bullitt_Xx1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Lifting weights is going to give people coronavirus? Are you retarded?

[–]2ndalRed Beret9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yes, I'm retarded. But since you asked, no, lifting weights is not going to give people coronavirus. "Living life normally" will.

[–]dilberryhoundog-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

How does "living life normally" give people corona virus?

last year every body "lived normally" but nobody contracted corona virus.

Corona virus is an act of god. An extra challenge to life above "normal". God (or environmental randomness for the atheists) can be very indiscriminate in who he "challenges".

However to implicate one's own personal sovereignty and health in aid of others suffering from god/environmental randomness, is a very, very, dangerous idea.

Yes we do have a responsibility to further the interests of the community that benefits us, but it SHOULD NEVER BE FORCED against our will. Lest we find certain people with greatly accumulated power (Totalitarians).

Freedom has a price.

[–]2ndalRed Beret-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

ok boomer

[–]dilberryhoundog-4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Moralising faggot. Vaxxing is ONLY a personal choice.

All the other moralising faggots who demand I vaxx my kids “for the greater good”, are down at the supermarket willingly emptying shelves with not a care in the world if I have any food.

[–]fannyfire0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Me too. I took my wife out for dinner last Saturday to celebrate one of our anniversaries and it was fantastic.

[–]Octellius5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

I might be a little different to most. I've spent the past decade as a doomer\prepper. Offgrid farm(available, I don't live there), 4-9 months of food depending on our level of eating. Did the bulk of our buying in Jan, but already had a quarter ton of grains\rice\sugar stored. Big vege patch, freezers packed with around a square meter of meat (bagged, and tightly packed). Spares of everything. My home gym is arriving in pieces this and last week.

Some thoughts:

  • Prebuy your protein. Whey and casein have a great shelf life. This will lessen your demands on family food and need for more freezer space.
  • 5/3/1 can be adapted to a powerrack pretty easily.
  • Order in a few months worth of supps. In particular zinc, d3, C and multi's.
  • Breakfast cereal has a need for milk. Long life milk demands by family will be high. Even rationed 100 liters for us is hard to make work. We also bought a dozen bags of powdered milk. No reason to hold back on the whey shakes just the walk I like them now.
  • You'll get low on fruits\veg. Consider things like bottled lemon juice.
  • Eggs can be frozen. I do two per sandwich bag. They pack well in the freezer. You can also freeze cheese, shredded parmo freezes well.
  • Get a big tub and lot of bleach. You can still online order most food and have it delivered after shutin. Then just dunk it in to the bleach solution. You can probably do this with many fruits and vegetables as well so long as you discard the exterior (think pumpkin, bananas, etc).
  • Morman websites have great info on long life foods.
  • If your locale is sold out of rice, consider calling a bulk reseller and buying some 25kg bags. It'll be cheaper.
  • If you are getting concerned about going shopping looking around for a 24h place and go between 2 and 5 am. I didn't need to but we often shopped before or after 7am in the past few weeks as we topped off. The packers are all in there restocking shelves in the late evening, so you probably won't have toilet paper issues.
  • Don't focus just on staples. Make sure you have a mountain of curry paste, coconut milk and cream and various whole spices. They last for years and years whole, just pound them down when needed after a quick dry roast.
  • The rule I gave my wife was if it'll last 6-12 months, just buy too many, no matter whether it's floor cleaner, toothpaste or passata.
  • Don't forget to feed the dog.
  • You might want to assess your ability to run a vege patch. Minimally I would look at quick growing greens. Salad\spinich\etc. Frozen is just not the same and you want your family as fit as possible when we all inevitably have to rejoin society.
  • Stockpile cash and bank balances and stop paying bills where you can get away with it. There will be load of 'emergency measures' rolled out, from freezing of mortgages and loans to the ability to 'just pay later' with no payment penalties.
  • If you have stockpiled right, you will probably need more storage racks or tables. Consider this now.

The supermarkets will be packed with stock pretty soon. Maybe 4 weeks, because most of the population wont want to go there, so, IMO the problem will be less to do with supply chain and more to do with massively fluctuating demand. This is a different kind of disaster.

For me at least, all my planning\leadership just paid off.We're all going to get this, but what we really want to do is choose exactly when we consider the local medical system to be able to handle our needs. That's the point of locking yourselves away, so you can choose.

See you guys on the other side.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Be honest, if you get to old age and never have a chance to use all your preps, you will be disappointed, right?

[–]Octellius2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

No. It's a good question though, most of the things I consider as preps are subtle. Low debt, good income, cash stockpiled as a buffer for job loss. Skills in growing food and owning land outright in a trust. Staying aware of threats and risks, and having a sane measured response. Food stocks can be spun up quickly if you buy early and have no financial impediments.

About the only 'crazy' thing I do is keep 100-200kg total of rice, sugar and wheat grain. About half is consumed, the rest rotated out each decade. Total cost per year averages about $50.

Outside that 100% of my disaster preparations are bought knowing they will give value with no disaster occurring.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nice! Sometimes it isn't about how good the plan is, just having a plan puts you far ahead.

[–]FoxShitNasty835 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy

I forgot to not work in healthcare. busy prepping to help with service demand.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

You're gonna be surrounded by more obesity in the next couple months than the little dwarf doctor from My 600-lb Life.

[–]FoxShitNasty830 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Time to get the "I love fatties" t-shirt out!

[–]Balls_Wellington_Main Event + Coronavirus0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

The real question is why did you ever put it away?

[–]FoxShitNasty831 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's true, I need to not hide my love for fatties. I want everyone to know.

[–]Balls_Wellington_Main Event + Coronavirus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If it's good enough for Freddie Mercury it's good enough for us damn it

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Isn't that your Friday night shirt?

[–]Over60_FireTempered3Red Beret3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

Small B-Class Motorhome. Full of water, Propane and fuel. Pantry stocked and full fresh water tank and supplies. The "escape-mobile" is always ready anyway. Just a habit, like always taking my keys and wallet every time I go outside.

My barn is always ready for a storm. Your planning for the unexpected should be part of your everyday life.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

You old guys know where it's at.

[–]Over60_FireTempered3Red Beret0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

One of the few benefits of getting older and outliving everyone I ever knew or loved...

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

This comment made me want to taste a scotch and think about life.

[–]Over60_FireTempered3Red Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not a sad comment, just a fact, and, it reinforces the centering of my mental point of origin.

There's some truth in my original handle of u/Over60_stupid_loner that applies here. We all age, we're all stupid in some ways til the day we die, and lastly, I am a loner and still enjoy it to this day.

Enjoy the scotch.

[–]dilberryhoundog0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Couple of things I always do...

Never let my vehicle drop below half a tank of fuel. (If I wake up one morning and things have gotten hot, I can always jump in and drive at least 3-400 kilometres without stopping to find fuel)

My vehicles are always 4x4s. If things go to shit the Main roads aren’t always safe to traverse on.

I have a chest freezer that I always keep half a beast in. (We go halves in a slaughtered beast with others as a cheap source of meat)

I have a self contained camping setup, That doesn’t need power (has solar panels)

I have always lived in houses with rain water tanks. Not reliant on municipal water.

[–]RPWolfAlpha_as_Wolf_2.0[🍰] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

Something I never shared is I am intrigued by homesteading. That's the non-obsessive term for prepping. I have a beehive and chickens. Nothing crazy but enough for me and my family. I also currently have 100 bars of soap and shampoo bars curing in a rack that I made over the past three weeks out of tallow, olive oil and castor oil. I stocked the fridge up with meat and got the wife a month's worth of baking supplies.

The entrepreneur in me couldn't resist making a couple bucks in all of this either. I made about another 50 bars of soap and threw some tea tree oil in them. All the wives of my buddies and the soccer moms of the kids I coach bought them all at 7 bucks a bar. I make these things for pennies. Side note fellas, EVERY. SINGLE. WIFE. all made a comment about how amazing it was I knew how to make soap and how their husband could never do that. Its not about making soap, it was about being prepped.

My main concern in this is the financial fallout and my mother and in-laws, particularly my father in law. He is recovering from a broken back and laid up.

[–]part_wolf2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Selling their fat asses back to them. The richest, creamiest fat in the world. The fat of the land!

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

That's pretty slick.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Beehives, olive oil, and tea tree oil.

Slick is right.

[–]nobsyoga5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy

If you are going to the gym and taking care of yourself, your immune system should be good enough to handle it. That is my prep work.

[–]Balls_Wellington_Main Event + Coronavirus2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

Pretty much no one in this sub is likely to die from the virus.

Getting stuck at home for multiple weeks (a month or more if you test postive) is a very real possibility.

Getting laid off or fired is a possibility for many people. My bartender friend is basically fucked right now as she has no other skills and no one is going out to the bars.

Having trouble finding food/toiletries is a very real possibility.

Having to deal with the panic of other people is a very real possibility. Several of my asian coworkers have already been yelled at just for looking vaguely chinese, I'd be strapped 24/7 if I were them.

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Pretty much no one in this sub is likely to die from the virus.

That would be true if all else were equal, but you're forgetting one thing: an overwhelmed health care system. 100k infections over a year would probably be ok. 100k infections in the next 2 months means people will be dying in the hallways and waiting rooms of hospitals for lack of beds and ventilators. Don't be a twat; we need to curb the transmission of this bullshit ASAFP.

[–]Balls_Wellington_Main Event + Coronavirus0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You are spot on. The case ventilation rate AFAIK is about 15%, which means in a totally overwhelmed health system that is approximately the potential morbidity of the virus. If we get anywhere near that point it'll be panic like never before.

When I said no one here is likely to die, I was more referring to the sub's demographic: almost exclusively (relatively) young, fit men. Our preparation should be focused on the areas this virus actually threatens us (financially, dealing with panic/shortages) and at reducing the risk of us spreading it to the actual at-risk populations.

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes. Important to say what you mean and leave nothing implied.

[–]nobsyoga-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Sure, nobody wants to die from anything, but we all eventually do. The question is, do you want to live a life of fear from things that are mostly out of your control? Much of what has happened to your friend is a result of panic heard thinking run amok with no sense of perspective attached to it.

[–]Balls_Wellington_Main Event + Coronavirus1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

You shouldn't be reacting out of fear. But some basic prep work is a good idea in any case. Makes the difference between being a victim of circumstances and being able to respond to them.

If my friend had prepared financially she wouldn't be devastated that her income is going to suck for a few months. That was stupid of her, even it there was no pandemic she could have gotten sick, her bar could've closed up, etc. She had no backup plan.

If I hadn't prepared for quarantine I would've been eating shitty food or spending a stupid amount of money on doordash. Instead it was business as usual.

The point isn't to go out and try to survive every possible apocalypse. It's to not get caught with your pants down by overlooking some basic thing.

[–]nobsyoga0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'm not disagreeing with you on doing basic prep work for anything, much of that is just common sense. You would agree that having a good diet and taking care of yourself to have a robust immune system is part of doing prep work?

I mainly bring this up because if you look at the long lines at many of the Wallmarts and Costcos, you can see how many people are obese and probably do not take care of themselves. I can attest to this as a former drunken captain who over-relied on medication to cover up his beta issues, before getting off of them and actually taking care of myself. You can even see that China is threatening to cut off meds to the U.S. for political reasons, which many of those people in the same line could be off of if they took care of themselves.

[–]Balls_Wellington_Main Event + Coronavirus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree with everything you said in that comment.

My wife and I have a running joke about the "hardcore prepper" guys with ten years of MREs and a hundred thousand rounds of ammunition buried in a bunker in northern Montana, but they are 150 pounds overweight with no savings and emphysema from being a packaday smoker.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret[S] 10 points11 points  (28 children) | Copy

I'll start. I personally have stocked up on non-perishables for not just my immediate family but also my in-laws given their age and location. Water, canned goods, toilet paper, food for lunches, breakfast food, etc. I'd say I've got 3 weeks worth. Also got some of the dried food which you can't find anymore. I've packed bug-out bags for trips to the hospital. I've also restocked supplies for over the counter medicine and anti-diarrhea medicine to treat symptoms. I fully expect that one of my family members will get the coronavirus for certain reasons, so I've went a bit further in planning for that to happen, and have materials like gloves, masks, etc for in-house treatment.

Hand sanitizer is coming but it will be a while (a month in theory). I have enough to last until then. Stocked up on soap as there isn't any liquid soap around.

I've also reached out to my neighbors for additional plans and assistance for them if it comes down to that.

I'm prepared to "bug-in" as it were, for quite some time. Work so far is fine, having to work from home but that's no big deal. I expect schools to close, and I have a plan for the kids in case of that.

Unlike others that I know, I've been tracking this for a while and taking it seriously. I'm as reasonably prepared as I can be.

Don't forget your 4 B's - beans, bullets, bandages, and bullion.

[–]RoccoPinkman6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

I thought the 4th B was buttplugs?

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

I love what I have done to this sub.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Haha

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This cracks me up.

[–]Irishtrauma0 points1 point  (23 children) | Copy

If you’re worried a family member getting this then you’ll need plastic sheeting to quarantine off an area of your house to prevent transmission. I suggest purchasing an Air Oasis commercial unit to clean the air of the quarantined area. Remember they can’t share your central air so if you live in a warm climate think about an AC and taping off their vents.

[–]Balls_Wellington_Main Event + Coronavirus7 points8 points  (10 children) | Copy

If anyone in your household gets sick, you've already been exposed for at least a few days, if not a couple weeks. It's likely you are also infected.

Also, it doesn't matter how good your quarantine room is unless you plan on not taking care of them during their illness. Wife's hospital recommended just room isolation and gloves/mask when interacting. I'd add goggles to the mix, but sealing off the whole room is overkill. This virus needs droplet protocol, not BSL-2 precautions.

[–]Irishtrauma1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy

And contact precautions with it lasting 72hrs on inanimate objects. Airborne with mechanical ventilation.

Overkill is relative. If you have compounding co morbidities than is it really? Maybe maybe not but it doesn’t make the concept null and void of ludicrous.

Points for BSL-2. Made my day.

[–]Balls_Wellington_Main Event + Coronavirus0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

If you have compounding co morbidities than is it really?

That's totally fair. My family is healthy and young and has no comorbidities. If my son had major lung problems I'd feel very differently.

[–]Irishtrauma1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

I’m pretty much guaranteed to die because of a genetic disease that causes anaphylaxis. Not everyone is healthy but every can benefit from knowledge and Reddit has this uncanny ability of creating it in posterity.

Hope your wife as well as the rest of your family stays safe. Nurses have it rough right now.

[–]FoxShitNasty831 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

Nurses have it rough right now.

My wife is a nurse with autoimmune problems.

[–]Irishtrauma0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

By the grace of God there go I.

[–]Balls_Wellington_Main Event + Coronavirus0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

I hope it all works out for you man. You seem knowledgeable already but shoot me a PM if you want to brainstorm containment/PPE.

[–]Irishtrauma0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Thanks man.

I think it’s pretty easy. You need lots of plastic sheeting. Houses are leaky enough of air that you won’t really need a separate venting and intake system. It would be better if you could provide access to fresh air as it does improve outcomes on almost all alignments. Air contains a small amount of ozone gas which is a triatomic quantum form of oxygen 03 instead of 02; mother nature’s sanitizer. Air oasis uses UV-C to create this. An air scrubber is also a good idea - IQAir MCS gas model has good CFM and a filtration rate of 0.0001 micron I think. Molekule is also good and uses an oxidative effect to kill shit - this is an active form of air cleaning where filtration is merely passive. Molekule is filtering at 0.001 microns I think and has a slower CFM compared to IQ Air But fast enough to clean a room and hallway.

The basic premise is creating a sequence of dirty>vestibule>clean: the sequence changes but not their meaning. So it will be dirty<vestibule<clean (following the arrows not the words

The reason why I say they don’t change is theoretically the outside is dirty and the vestibule is where you’ll clean your ppe or body then enter the clean side and shower. Sure it seems excessive but I’ve had to have this done for mold remediation so I researched how to not get physically any worse from the exposure. Then the other is my genetic form of mastocytosis is so rare they really don’t even know all that it does and just lump it into mast cell disease.

Luckily I had training on infectious diseases for work including donning biosuits for hemorrhagic fever and administering nasty medications like Ribavirin.

Re PPE an N95 is fine but the public doesn’t know how to use them and the process we go through to check if they’re effective. Some hospitals use a pressure leak test hooked up to computers others use a micronized Sweetner so if you can taste it you have a leak thus ineffective. The make several versions and sizes. You can’t have facial hair but a day or two before the growth compromises the seal. Most people would be better off with an osha certified P100 that works for molds. It’s cheaper than a military grade CBRN mask which unless your facing tear gas you probably will never need it. Just don’t forget to stock up on filters.

People will say I’m crazy. That’s fine. They’ve probably never seen someone bleed into their lungs and die from it or die from intractable fevers. They’ve never seen ARDS or a failed ECMO flu case- it’s fucking awful. It’s also work. Being in critical care it ingrains a sense of readiness for the unexpected worse case scenario. Trauma is my name and my game. It’s like a box of chocolates; you never know what you’re gonna get with a trauma patient.

One question I keep asking - why does everyone assume China is transparent in their reporting? There is absolutely zero incentive for them to do so. They’ve openly postured saying they are willing to withhold medication exportation to the USA to worsen the pandemic.

Bleach is your best friend. Hope this helps.

[–]RStonePT2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy

Do you honestly think you're capable of creating a clean room in your house?

[–]Irishtrauma1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy

I’ve done it for mold remediation. The concepts of containment overlap.

[–]RStonePT-4 points-3 points  (8 children) | Copy

k lol

[–]Irishtrauma3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy

Care to elaborate? What’d did you learn in the Canadian military that I didn’t learn at Hopkins?

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

That it's really hard to properly make a clean room and it always fucked up basically.

tear gas had a way of illustrating leaks for me.

[–]Irishtrauma0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fair point Rian. I can’t argue with that. The only difference is that unless at risk of aerosolizing like blood spatter in certain surgery’s due to the high rate RPMs of say a bone drill or mechanical ventilation then the virus is droplet precaution PPE and should also be contact. Placing a vestibule and clean room under negative pressure at 1500CFM is going to pretty much make even airborne precautions work in a nonspec environment. Tear gas certainly requires beyond airborne precautions, they met a need for CBRN as you know.

[–]dilberryhoundog0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A Containment room always has leaks. The trick is to always be sucking/pushing clean air out/in through the leaks.

To illustrate. I made asbestos containment bubbles, while the public walked less than 10 feet away. We used negative pressure that HAD to be running constantly. The neg air unit was always sucking clean outside air into the bubble through the entrance and any cracks. But yeah if you lost pressure, then your containment bubble was jeapordised.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Leaks aren't a bug, their a feature. Count on them, use them to your advantage.

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I'm all ears. Other than positive pressure environments I don't know how this would be practically applied

[–]InChargeManRed Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Of course life is all about trade-offs, but with minimal effort and decent reward:

You're family member catches COVID-19. You banish them to your guest-room with en-suite. Seal up their AC return vent, and close the AC vent (doesn't have to be a hard seal). Setup a window fan expelling air to the outside. Put some towels under the doors to cut back the air leaving the house a bit. Doneskis

Leaks in the rest of the house (including roof vents), will bring fresh air in. Window fan expels the bad air. AC will run in the house, fresh cooled air will get pulled into the quarantined rooms and shot out the window.

The point, you don't need a clean room, you need a room that doesn't allow the air to get back to the rest of the house.

[–]dilberryhoundog0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yep doable, if the power stays up, and you buy specialised gear (may not be possible in the future if supply chains shut down)

I made containment bubbles daily in a previous job I had.

[–]Cloudy_Pirate2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Meds and a couple extra weeks of food.

But my wife usually stocks extra food and supplies anyway.

Be prepared for short term rolling supply chain disruptions amplified by general stupidity and panic buying.

Edit: Also, for those of you that are stockpiling toilet paper... what the actual fuck?!

[–]BostonBrakeJob2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

  • I've loaded up on slugs for the shotty. Not against shooting a deer or turkey out of season to keep food on the table, if needed.

  • Sold all stocks with any amount of profit a few weeks ago & hoarding cash in my Roth account to start buying when the bloodbath on the market is over. Holding the rest of my stocks through the storm.

  • Cancelled spring break vacation.

  • Continuing a slow and steady stock up of canned goods and meat for the freezer.

  • Looking forward to a mandatory minimum 2 week at-home vacation.

I hope all of you and your families don't get hit with the worst case scenario of this thing. Statistically most of us will be ok, barring a resaturation/unforeseen mutation in the virus, but wishing you all well all the same.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red8 points9 points  (11 children) | Copy

I am eating far less ass than I used to.

Edit:

Fine, I am not doing anything. It is airborne, so all this shit about washing hands and sanitizer means nothing.

I am avoiding large crowds and gatherings.

I have plenty of supplies. I have MRE's for months.

I am keeping my gas tank full.

[–]Irishtrauma8 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy

Effective radius of dispersal is 10 meters, new studies show it can be dormant for 72hrs on inanimate objects, has a protracted prodromal phase where being a source of transmission is asymptomatic and longer than a traditional flu course.

Data>opinions

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

So do not rub my cock all over the counter before anal?

[–]Irishtrauma1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

As long as you don’t ass to mouth afterwards you should be ok.

[–]vplatt1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

And lay off the GILFs. You'll be killing 'em for real.

[–]Balls_Wellington_Main Event + Coronavirus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Man's dick got a body count

[–]Over60_FireTempered3Red Beret0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

During sex, want to make her scream long and loud, wipe your dick on her curtains.

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Wow, I can see the dust coming off that joke. Had that one in the drawer a while, huh?

[–]Over60_FireTempered3Red Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It was in an old suitcase...

[–]blupride6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not airborne. Source: am nurse at a level 1 trauma hospital. Based on every bit of data out there it is spread by droplets. How the fuck are you getting upvoted by saying not to wash your hands? That's the dumbest possible fucking advice.

[–]HornsOfApathyMod / Red Beret2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I am eating far less ass than I used to.

Yeah but are you eating more ass that's the real question?

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Youll find out Bb

[–]Whatev221 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

Tax loss harvesting with investments. Losses carry forward indefinitely until they can be used.

[–]frozenpond2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

If you don't need the money in the near future (2 years+) and are not margined up, now might not be the best time to sell for tax loss harvesting unless you're switching into another equity. Panic sell early or don't panic sell, but panic selling when SPX is down over 20% has not been a good play.

[–]Whatev220 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Swapping out individual equities for broad ETFs. Reduces upside some, but gives market participation and reduced non-systemic risk.

[–]frozenpond0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

With the tax harvesting that's likely a great move.

[–]Whatev220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’ve never seen a carry forward loss that can’t be put to use at some point. Lemonade from these lemons, my friend.

[–]Whatev220 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I’ve also broken open my piggy bank for an extra $40k to DCA weekly over the next 8 weeks into those same funds.

[–]ChokingDownRPRed Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

As the market achieved record high after record high, I slowly shifted from 100% equity to 70/30 stocks/bonds. Now I'll do TLH trades and add my 30% fixed income to equities over the next couple of months. Fortune favors the bold (and relatively young). Small cap value stocks have underperformed significantly for a while, I will be overweighting there.

[–]Whatev220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yep. You are about 6-8 months ahead of me. I’ll wait to see the relative strength of small caps start to improve before I build there. Although at this time throwing a dart and buying what it hits will most likely make money.

[–]part_wolf1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The people who have only recently begun to prepare are the ones who are going to be fucked.

My in-laws are at risk and live in a busy apartment building, so I reached out to Rambo FIL and told them they need to come stay with us for the next two weeks. We can cook for everyone at once - I estimate two months worth of pantry supplies and meat - and my MIL can help with childcare while my daughter’s daycare is shutdown. Wife, FIL, and I can all work from home and the government hasn’t stopped buying hardware and software as of yet.

Plenty of gasoline, propane, toiletries, and at least a cord of wood in the backyard. I’m slowly increasing the stockpiles every day. We’re far enough from our neighbors that we can spend plenty of time outside without running into anyone, which is a huge reason why I wanted to buy this house a year ago.

CrossFit is closed, but the equipment I’ve put together in the garage will be enough to keep the wife and I in good shape until they start back up again. Taking my brand new road bike out to get out of the house, keep my sanity, and start to lean out from all this bulk I’ve put on over the past few months.

Finances are in great shape; planning to ride the market down and back up again over the next two decades. Our mortgage refinance closes next month - 30 year fixed rate at 3.625%. We’re going to save about $150K over the life of the loan.

All of this is much smoother sailing because of the planning I’ve done over the past year.

[–]HornsOfApathyMod / Red Beret3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

Checked the safe. Yep, good on ammo.

Teaching my daughter to fish this afternoon.

Taking my son out later to shoot his new rifle he got for xmas.

Added lube to the Amazon prime grocery list for her butt - thanks /u/red-sfpplus for the reminder.

Prepped! Everybody is taken care of in my family.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

While you are at Amazon, you should get this.

Mine is being delivered next week.

We finally got around to installing the swing, and we fucking loved it. I am hoping this chair is the next best thing in the bedroom.

It might be time to pen a new sex post. We have a good deal of new hardware.

[–]HornsOfApathyMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

That looks like fun! And comfy as fuck.

I like making inconspicuous play furniture. We have a weight bench in our room for bondage. I also made a bondage chair that I spent about 20 hours making, sanding, finishing.... and the bitch broke the fucking chair first time we used it during forced orgasm session. I was kind of sad. My fault. Told her I would need to tie her up better next time.

Goodwill is a creative place to find treasures. I got all that for like $20.

Next up is a collapsible St. Andrews cross that folds into a pedestal.

You got an adjustable spanking bench yet? Those look fun as fuck.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

No. I am not really into Bondage beyond typing her up to the headboard, basic stuff. Our fav thing is just a simple tie around her wrists behind her back while I pound her.

I get bored when she is fully restrained. I dont get off on that.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Got one about a year ago, highly recommend, but I went for one that has legs instead of laying flat on the ground. That allowed more options for restraints.

[–]Rageaway170 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I can actually vouch for that couch. We got one a few months back, and it sees a lot of use. Worth every penny, makes a number of positions easier.

[–]AlohaMaui8080 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

If you've got the money and have someone super young or old, a CPAP machine like those used to treat sleep apnea might be a good idea.

Since the pneumonia stage can't be treated by current antibiotics, the next best thing is positive air pressure to help promote oxygen saturation. This would be combined with the usual treatment for fever when it comes. Then you just wait for the body to fight it off naturally.

[–]Balls_Wellington_Main Event + Coronavirus2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I had a similar conversation with a doctor recently. It's worth using CPAP machines or other breathing aids if you already have them on hand, but it's a pretty fringe case to have pneumonia bad enough that you can't make it on your own but not so bad that you need a proper ventilator.

Patients that require a ventilator for this virus have a mean time to being taken off ventilation of like 22 days. It's not like you just have to tough it through a couple of nights.

Eventually we agreed that it probably wasn't worth spending the money on one just for this. Better to have some more savings, since that's where most people are going to get hit.

[–]HornsOfApathyMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

We have a nebulizer - I'm guessing it would do the same?

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fucking gold.

I actully have one of these as well. Seasonal Allergies. We have alburtal and benzonite on hand at all times. (sp)

[–]ancient_resistanceShit coming out my eyeballs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Taking the opportunity to suck less at leadership. We've been planning a cruise since December, sacked up and cancelled in the face of a lot of opposition from family.

Preparing to shelter in place. Working towards 6-8 weeks of supply stockpile, about halfway there.

[–]SoggyTrainCucked by machines0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Booked a flight to Dallas next month for real cheap. Put some additional money in the stock market when it crashed. Stocked up on water,tp,food for 2 weeks a while ago, always plenty of ammo in the gun safe.

Trying to check some things off the sexual bucket list as well.

[–]turbospeedsc0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Besides getting the regular food (15 days worth) plus some, i got some extras:

10lbs bag of rice

10lb bag of beans

5lb of flour

5lb Hot cakes mix

2 Bottles cooking oil Extra cleaning supplies Canned food 4 5 gallon jugs of water, rotating them 3 Propane tanks' Filled up water tanks at my business 1500 Gallons worth Stored 5 Buckets of tap water on the house.

Tested my power inverters 5kw 3kw 500w, and a 1kw solar system i had in storage. Put extra gas on back up truck (F250), filling up tank on my car Change some pesos (mxn) to USD.

This extra supplies should help a lot in case SHTF and if not it will get used in regular life.

Also been downloading music, movies and e-books, i read in some forums that entertainment becomes gold in a bug in situation.

[–]Maximus_Valerius0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You can survive 3 days without water.

You can survive 3 weeks without food. (Maybe more if you’re a fatass, maybe less if you’re below 10% body fat.)

Have alternate sources of those two and everything else is about how comfortable you want to be. Water filters and purification tablets are a must. Same with freeze dried food (as a last resort).

Saw news conference today about the virus with acting director of US DHS. His name is Chad Wolf. Wtf?

[–]vithus_inbau0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

UVC light and alcohol to revitalise p95 masks. Will only need those to go shopping. Lots of rubber gloves. Again you can spray those with neat alcohol before removing then use your hand wash to remove any nasties that might have fallen off the gloves.

Living in a caravan we plan to hole up some place off the beaten track near a small town or village (for supplies) and just keep our heads down. Can move around a bit so the natives don't get to know us too well.

Might get a job on a remote cattle property. That part of the economy is still working well and that won't change.

Still hard to convince my wife not to eat the emergency rations. She still can't get her head around the fact we won't be able to just pop down to the store if we run out of stuff.

happy trails

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Bill Gates did an AMA on r/coronavirus today. Fascinating stuff, as is his Ted Talk on pandemics also covered in the Netflix documentary he did last year.

We're looking at 8-12 weeks of shutdown. If done correctly, that will stem the spread, at least in rich countries.

Third world will be anybody's guess.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret1 point2 points  (26 children) | Copy

My daughter had the corona and it was nothing more than a bad virus to her.

This is killing the elderly and those with preexisting conditions. Just try to protect those groups. I don’t think this is going to be as bad as the the bird flu, which killed 14k. The caught this one early in the US.

So I’m not stocking up on anything. The current administration seems to have a great plan for this

The worst thing people can do is panic. The panic would be much worse than the virus effects

This will probably get downvoted because I presented actual facts instead of buying into the media hype machine

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The caught this one early in the US.

Like hell. People have this shit for 7 days before they know it, and are contagious for probably 4 of those days at least. You ain't seen nothing yet. We're not even to the halfway point. Whatever case count you see now is confirmed cases, in an environment where we have a testing kit shortage.

[–]Over60_FireTempered3Red Beret0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

Just hope Donnie does better for us than Puerto Rico. (I didn't downvote you, just disagree.)

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

Time will tell. I’ve done some research on pandemics, and shutting down the country just tends to slow it down and drag it out. The end result of fatalities is about the same, but when it’s dragged out, it hurts the economy much worse.

People are split. I know they are because I meet lots who share my opinion. Most on that side are scared to post about it - probably smartly. Im going to stop discussing it because nobody wins ever.... just like discussing politics. Im adding corona onto the list with politics and religion

[–]Over60_FireTempered3Red Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

...today everything edges into the political. Agree, add it to my(avoid)list too.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

but when it’s dragged out, it hurts the economy much worse

Disagree. It's true and accepted that the area under the curve remains the same. Something like 30-50% of americans will get it at some point. The overarching effects of that happening over 2 months or 8 months makes a huge difference in resource management and the ability for the rest of the economy to follow business as usual.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

follow business as usual.

Is this a joke?

Lockdowns and layoffs sweep as nation

They are shutting down everything systematic. Today, San Fran starts A house quarantine for ALL residents. They can’t go to work or anything- basically only to the grocery Store. Watch this spread across the country. Big retailers are shutting down, neighborhood clubhouses, schools, sporting events... and it’s getting worse. If San Fran is the test, and I think it is, the rest of the country will take it on also, just like schools and all the other presidents. Employees at big banks are basically told to take 3 weeks off.

Business as usual, no. Recession at a minimum... possibly a depression.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I think you are overly focused on those few words, missing my point. Of course not business as usual, but a much closer resemblance.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Going to have to disagree. The way it is being treated is causing a recession already in a very short time.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Lol yeah, like the old joke. We've established that she's a whore, now we're just haggling over price.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Haha yep

[–]part_wolf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

actual facts

You spelled opinion and speculation wrong.

[–]tspitsatgp0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy

I wonder how well this comment is going to age, unless of course you are being sarcastic about catching this early and a great plan.

The US will be a shit-show on par or worse than Italy. Probably worse because of the punitive healthcare system you guys have got which will discourage people from seeking treatment, and the lack of a meaningful safety net for service industry workers etc which will either force people to work while sick or leave them out on the streets.

In 10 days time shit is going to be very real for at-risk groups, healthcare workers, anyone that needs hospital treatment for anything, the economy and everyone’s day-to-day life. Saying that isn’t even panic at this stage, just a fact unfortunately. It doesn’t meant the worlds going to end, but it’s going to be a period of time like very few of us will ever have experienced before.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy

We’ve been through worse. Swine flue killed 14k before the Obama administration even acknowledged it

Yes, we shall see. But, this post was more about stocking up and preparing for the zombie apocalypse (that’s sarcasm). Now, I agree with just about everything Steel puts out, but this isn’t one of them. I’m not stocking up on anything, so we’ll See if I regret it.

Yes some old people and pre-existing conditions people are going to die. But, we have 60k dying from the flu, mostly elderly and with conditions. This is more aggressive- currently 1% fatality in the US, but swine was worse and we made through most of that without anyone even realizing there was a problem. So, this one has been panic from the first 20 dead.... it will be dramatic all along inttilbits fine, and btw China expects to have a vaccine by April. But it won’t kill anywhere near 14k. I’d be willing to bet on that.

In my 51 years, one thing I’ve learned is going with the cattle mentality usually ends up being a mistake. You are at a higher risk of dying in a car accident than dying of Corona. So, are you going to not drive this year?

The world needs to live in the moment and quit future tripping. Prepare realistically, not always for worst case scenario

I’m always going against the grain on the internet on this. I often go against the grain of my logic and instincts are strong.... and you k is what ... pretty much every time I do, I find I’m right over the long term.

[–]fannyfire1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I had the swine flu back in 2010 and the funny thing about it is that it did fuck me up pretty good. I was 17 at the time and it still knocked me out and gave me a week off school. I had a few relapses due to being an athlete in high school. I got sick because I jumped back into training too quickly. However, with all that being said...it was not made out to be such a big deal like this virus. I think what we’re seeing in the U.S. is that the media is doing anything and everything it can to damage Donald Trump and his administration. I have no doubt in my mind that if Hillary was in office this wouldn’t even be a discussion. We’d all be going about our business because it is a big nothing in the grand scheme of illnesses that we face on a yearly basis.

I think this virus is a RP example in itself of how easy it is to delude the masses into hysteria.

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Damage to the economy from a pandemic doesn't hurt a politician. Yes, the media will claim he didn't act fast enough, and they'll probably be right. They would have been saying he was acting too quickly if he had done things sooner.

The fact of the matter is that while you may come out of this ok, we need to curb transmission so we don't overwhelm the healthcare system and we don't create any more panic. See beyond the immediate moment and understand that you don't win by ignoring this and having 70% of the world get this virus.

[–]fannyfire0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

As nice as all that might sound, over 30 million people have already got the flu in the U.S. just this year. That figure easily puts the flu at over 350,000 patients per day. The death rate is already in the tens of thousands for the flu but you don’t care because the news hasn’t talked about it. You’ve been suckered into believing the story the MMM wants you to hear and that’s okay. We’ve all been suckered into something.

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No, I don't care because the flu is a known entity with an annual vaccine and a case-fatality ratio of 0.1%, not 3%. People in their 30s rarely die of typical influenza; people in their 30s with Corona can.

[–]tspitsatgp0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Well we won’t have to wait long to find out on which trajectory it will head over the next 6 months. I’ll be happy if I’m wrong because this is really fucking with my 2020 plans.

And of course over the long-term this too shall pass, but if you are advising your elderly relatives or at-risk family members on how seriously to take this right now then taking the long-term view is a bit flippant.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If you are going to let a virus that has killed 40 people affect your next 6 months while the flu has killed 18k this year, you might want to not go with the cattle on this one. Tell me how you plan on changing the next 6 months based on a virus that is weeks away from a vaccine?

[–]tspitsatgp0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Haha well travelling overseas at the moment isn’t really that practical due to travel restrictions. It’s gone beyond personal choice now.

Travel restricted, events cancelled, kids school closed, work budget cuts, etc. I’ll have a good 2020 regardless but it won’t be the 2020 I planned at the start of the year because this will not have gone away by April.

I get what you are saying and I hope you are right, but you can’t compare flu deaths and whatever else you like to this because you are not comparing apples to apples. If nothing else you are comparing the flu season to date with something that has only really started to get traction in the US over the past few weeks. Swine flu, you are again comparing deaths over a few weeks to numbers of deaths over many months as a way to downplay the risks that corona virus presents.

As an aside, Governments don’t generally take actions which all but ensure a global recession without having a good reason to. The average person on the street was not worried about this two weeks ago. These restrictions are not being put in place to win votes.

[–]wkndatbernardus0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

H1N1 killed 17k in the US. I don't even remember that shizz and I'm 40. I wonder what's different this time?

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

H1N1 had a much lower fatality percentage... closer to a regular flu.

[–]wkndatbernardus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The Rona will have a low fatality rate as well, if we can actually find out how many contract it.

Edit: and, btw, the difference is there is a prolife president in office.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Now, I agree with just about everything Steel puts out, but this isn’t one of them.

No worries, this is just a thread for discussion on what people are doing. I figured a reasonable amount of prep was something everyone should be doing - plus I have my reasons why I need to be prepared more than most. My threat model is a bit different than others.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah I did some prep too for sure. I think I now own literally 20 lbs of high quality protein power. Also, I bought an Olympic bench and enough weight to do bench and incline press as well as the ability to hit all other body parts. Your right look Ming back at it now... it was more the people going overboard in full panic mode I was referring to, which isnt you. So, basically I’m changing my stance after reassessing your post... probably read into it a bit much.

Also, I bought a new block and a bunch of ammo. I doubt it comes to that, but couldn’t hurt.

Stocked up on some food to as the panic seems to be the main issue so far. What will happen long-term with the virus remains to be seen.

So, yeah I’m on board with prepping

[–]Balls_Wellington_Main Event + Coronavirus0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

Well, now that I'm not quarantined any more I'm making sure I stay stocked up on frozen and non-perishable foods. The most important "preps" were making plans with work to make sure I still got was productive off-site, and keeping my family from panicking.

I'm salaried and my work is mostly computer based, so quarantine was NBD for me. If you're a shift worker or in a service industry, now is a great time to be thinking about a side gig.

As far as food, I actually saw this coming and had us stocked up fairly well before we got locked down. Also, food/grocery delivery services haven't stopped in my area yet so it was easy enough to call in anything that was missing.

I already had n95 masks left over from my home remodel last year, so we were able to take proper precautions when leaving the house (to get tested, for example). Not even sure if you can get masks right now, but do keep that in mind: masks probably won't prevent you from getting covid, unless you are super paranoid and wearing goggles too. They will help you not get others sick if you are infected. You may or may not care about that but I'd prefer not to kill someone's gamgam.

If you end up being one of the first cases in the area, you will have the media up your ass. Ask how I know. Wearing masks when you go out is helpful if you think they're following up on you. You don't want to have an unflattering story written because you didn't follow isolation rules. A suspected covid case walking around with no mask makes for a hot news story.

If you or your family needs OTC meds or has dietary restrictions, now is a good time to grab a month or two supply before the panic buyers clean out whatever it is you need.

And finally, yeah, I have a healthy stock of guns and ammo. I didn't get it in response to the pandemic, but if I didn't have at least a few boxes of ammo hanging around I'd consider it. People are panicking, and that leads to some feral behavior. My city has some fucking shady areas, one within a couple miles of my neighborhood. Less people on the streets means more opportunity for vehicle break-ins and other sketchy shit.

Don't buy two hundred rolls of toilet paper. You don't need it. You're just fucking with the supply chain and causing panic.

[–]RStonePT1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

I really wish you would expand on the media shit, because the hype has been overblown by the yellow journalism scares.

[–]Balls_Wellington_Main Event + Coronavirus4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

I'll try to shed some light without making it too stupid easy to identify me or my wife, I haven't made much effort to hide my identity here.

In a press release, the hospital released that a number of people who had interacted with the patient before the patient was suspected of having covid were being quarantined. The media knew that these people were staff from a certain department, so they went down the list calling anyone whose contact info they could find and anyone related to them. Didn't get a call, but wife got a heads up from a couple coworkers that they had gotten calls asking them about their situation and inviting them to do interviews.

Someone leaked enough information for them to positively identify the patient, or maybe the patient identified themself, I don't know. Cue a second round of calls. Wife got a call, she referred them to the hospital PR dept. Asked if she was quarantined, referred them to PR dept. You get the idea.

We started screening calls, both of us have been getting multiple calls per day from private numbers, some are just the normal spam I'm sure but the frequency has spiked in the last week.

It seems they want someone to feed them enough details for them to publish a story instead of just the base details. So far we don't have any reason to believe they know anything about us other than that my wife works in the department where the exposure happened. Now that her swab is back and negative I doubt they care any more.

They figured out who the patient was, though. Fast enough that I heard about them on the news before my wife got the call from the hospital/CDC.

[–]RStonePT1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

damn man, 0 regard for the public good, so long as they get their pound of flesh.

[–]Balls_Wellington_Main Event + Coronavirus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fucking vultures. I get it though, it's all anyone is talking about right now.

[–]dilberryhoundog0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

“For the public good” is about to cease to exist for a while.

[–]HornsOfApathyMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If you or your family needs OTC meds

Thanks for the reminder - need to get Cialis refilled in case of "lockdown".

[–]Balls_Wellington_Main Event + Coronavirus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Weeks of being stuck at home pushing rope sounds worse than death tbh

[–]NeoTheJuanDJ0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

  • Still doing full body workouts 3 days/week
  • Still doing low carb.
  • Still getting 9 hours sleep/night
  • Still focusing on pursuing my career
  • Still banging plates and not spending more than $3 on coffee
  • Still playing drums with my band.
  • Still learning cool shit on podcasts and from mentors.
  • Still don’t really gaf about stuff outside of these core things.

That’s it. The only thing that might change is maybe a new hobby or new band to jam with, promotion at work . That’s about it.

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I bought 32 rolls of toilet paper, some weed, a squat rack, bar, bench and plates.

Sorted.

[–]FoxShitNasty830 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Swap you two bog rolls for a 6 pack of Corona

[–]RStonePT-1 points0 points  (24 children) | Copy

  1. Read the WHO reports, not hear about them second hand through someones retard filter.

  2. You've got to run with the bulls. Unless you're old, a chain smoker, or obese you're +97% not going to have an issue, but retards are gonna retard, plan for their stupidity accordingly

  3. Wash your hands, don't rub your eyes or stick your finger in your ass.

  4. Realize and accept you WILL get it, it's NOT a big deal, and (I caught the avian flu back when that was our worldwide pandemic) once you're over it you're over it.

  5. Buy when there's blood in the streets -- Warren Buffett

[–]BostonBrakeJob0 points1 point  (18 children) | Copy

  1. Buy when there's blood in the streets -- Warren Buffett

Amen!

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy

for the first time in my life I'm well positioned for a black swan event. Now just have to figure out when we hit bottom so I can take part in the firesale.

I figure 8 weeks then reassess how it looks

[–]Over60_FireTempered3Red Beret1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy

Look at the last few bear markets. First leg down, then hope upwards, then the bottom. Takes time for it to filter thru. Valuations have been nose bleed high for a long time, but investor appetite for risk was solid. Risk avoidance needs an excuse to become the new normal. Watch how people behave, not talk, about risk seeking. Hope you make a mil or two.

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

Thanks, will do my best!

I've only have 100k outside of the market for opportunity. But

If I can pay off the mortgage next year I'll consider myself retired 😂😂😂

How you holding up? At this point I assume you're having a great old time...

[–]Over60_FireTempered3Red Beret0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

We are sheltering in place. Wife has too many health issues to take a chance of her getting this virus. I'm limited too since I don't want to bring it home with me.

So I'm working on household projects. I can always find plenty to upgrade, change or toss.

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Sounds like a lovely little retirement. I'm doing my part so as not to infect the boomers, here's hoping it helps

[–]Over60_FireTempered3Red Beret0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Thanks for helping with the...

Boomer Apocalypse

Now that's one way to fix the Medicare and Social Security funding mess.

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

The only conspiracy I think is plausible right now is that China was engineering it to fix their one child policy fuckup.

But even then, I see redpill brands going full homo on the illuminati right now and am just enjoying the competition getting out of the way.

Stay safe, let u/bogeyd6 save the world. He's our resident superhero.

[–]Over60_FireTempered3Red Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Based on prior behavior of stupid humans, I think "part" of it was a test. This implies some persons or organization thinking far ahead for a way to dominate the world. Based on the test results so far, looks like they have a winning plan. Bio-terrorism

[–]bogeyd6Mod / Red Militia0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

People are afraid and then they panic because they are absent objectives.

[–]BostonBrakeJob0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

That's probably a good timeline. If you notice any of the stocks you're watching start to level off while the general market stays on the decline, it could mean it reached its base...which would be the bottom, give or take. Barring another round of panic selling from the longs anyway.

What do ya have on your watchlist?

And if you're open to suggestions, check out RCL.

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Airlines... Travel bans hit them hard but the good ones have enough cash reserves to weather it.

I expect to see mergers and travel pick up once the worst is over, many are already down 60%

I'm looking for industries with good fundamentals and just wrong place and wrong time. Not going to bet against things so much, I've never been a good gambler

[–]BostonBrakeJob0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

We're on the same page then, I'm looking at the cruise industry, RCL in particular bc of the dividend and extremely high potential cap. gain (if it ends up back where it was before virus news broke.) I'm checking daily for news of any of the cruise liners getting a Gov. bailout...they will all likely jump before the overall market starts to recover if the government shows they won't let that industry fail. And I'd say most of them fall into the "too big to fail" category too, same goes for the airlines, so it's a pretty safe investment.

Then of course there's Microsoft which is looking like a steal already too. So many options to choose from. Fish in a barrel.

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Weird. Why would Microsoft take a dive? I guess the dunking is across the board...

[–]BostonBrakeJob0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah the whole market is dropping, to some degree. Could just be panic selling on top of a normal correction...could be the start of a recession. Either way, it'll go back up one day. If it doesn't, we'll have bigger problems than paper money having no value.

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

At that point the supplementary reserves will recruit me back and I get to stomp some hippies.

Win win

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Buy when there's blood in the streets -- Warren Buffett

This. I promise you, the 1% will

[–]InChargeManRed Beret0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

My mind knows you're right. Hard to put that to action, but I'm up for suggestions. We should start a coronavesting sub...

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yep I’m 51, and I’ve seen enough of these scary corrections to know it will come back. The last one took many years, But then it surpassed greatly. I sold real estate to the top 1% when everybody was so panicked they put their 401k in cash at a big loss. If they would have just held....

The 2 no-brainers are real estate and stocks

[–]ImNotSlash0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I do TA so my focus is more on price action than fundamentals. I'm not trying to catch falling knives but rather looking for charts that favor my type of trading/investing. For example, I wouldn't touch AMZN right now but I'm watching NFLX. Ironically IMO you'd think a company like 3M would be doing really good right now but it's been shit for years (at least for buy/hold strategies).

It's just about having a style, finding what fits your style, developing a plan and executing if/when the time is right. Forget buying low selling high; buy high and sell higher.

[–]turbospeedsc-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

BTC is down a lot, may get a a few bucks worth of it, USD is up a lot but in mexico it retains value a lot better than mxn.

I have a detailing business might try to sell some package to clean people's car with lysol and charge 200% normal price.

[–]Tyred_Biggums-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Im sitting in PHL and just made it back from Europe and haven’t done jack shit so will likely run out of food and TP. I made sure all the American on my team arranged flights back either today or tomorrow (a few planned to stay through next week).

I got about a week of frozen meals still in the freezer.

I threw my stbx a bone and warned her to go stock up this past Monday. Despite her questioning it - she did so the kids will be covered. And for her to prepare for kids out of school starting sometime next week.

I’ve told my daughter not to worry about this as she was concerned. That it is going to affect elderly people but we will all be fine.

Refilled all pharmacy medications and will pick up today.

I also went and hung out with a bunch of tourists in Dublin last night - including a “fuck the coronavirus” chant.

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Please do check in when your fever hits the peak. I'm interested in the subjective experience of what it is like to have Corona. Oh, and please stay home, I can almost guarantee you have it now.

[–]Tyred_Biggums0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Will do. And probably. I’m self isolating since I got back.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret-1 points0 points  (8 children) | Copy

Vaccine is right around the corner

Amazing how responsive our best minds can be.

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

Public health officials say it will take a year to 18 months to fully validate any potential vaccine.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

That’s not what I’m reading. They are already testing, and they’ve found a vaccine that works in mice. Not on a mass scale, but they are very close to a vaccine for those at high risk. In an emergency situation, things can happen a lot faster. Every year they get the flu virus out based on the strain. This shouldn’t be any more difficult.

There’s a lot of fake news out there.

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

That quote is from the article you posted.

[–]RStonePT1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

you WILL catch it, you WILL be ok, and your goal is to AVOID spreading it to the elderly, and the sick faster than hospitals can treat them.

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Flatten the curve.

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No different than not running your AC during a brownout.

I have had a lot of fundies and wannabe christians invading the social media space, the fact I have to remind them (the evil dirty heathen) of the serenity prayer...

[–]Over60_FireTempered3Red Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

AVOID spreading it to the elderly

Hell yes! Old farts are a protected class.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I get that but just because You post an article doesn’t mean you believe everything in it. You know about critical thinking. I suggest people look at multiple sources and come to conclusions- kinda like the sidebar- you don’t just look at one source and sometimes they contradict each other



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