The Sadness Phase

Archwinger · 2017-05-12T15:46:55+00:00

This right here is probably the most pro-woman piece of writing on the internet.

A lot of idiots claim that The Red Pill objectifies women. Tricks them. Manipulates them. Hates them. But this guy here really, really understands this woman. He sees her humanity.

Her real humanity -- not the rah-rah, you-go-girl, YOLO, proud to be a slut, sex-positive, strong, liberated feminist bullshit that people pretend to appreciate in women to appear politically correct. He sees her for who and what she really is. And he feels for her.

So many idiot feminists would leap out to praise this woman for being sexually liberated, strong, independent ... but she's none of those things. She's not sexually liberated. She's a slave to sex and is using it to try to find happiness in another person. She's not strong. She's weak and craving love and protection. She's not independent. She's co-dependent and desperate for someone to latch on to.

To see that in a woman, recognize it for what it is, recognize her, really see her and all of her humanity, and to feel something about that -- THAT is what it means to care about women. Stupid-ass pro-woman token feminists don't get it, because they don't actually care about women.

jb_trp · 2017-05-12T17:36:36+00:00

Some people would want to call you a hypocrite for fucking a girl and then feeling sorry for the decisions that she made. But I don't. If she doesn't sleep with you, she will sleep with any other Chad that turns her on. It's a stupid cycle and a messed up society we live in.

I've fucked young plates that turned out to have the biggest daddy issues later. In a few of the cases, I wouldn't have slept with them if I had known... It's not me. And I don't even think of myself as a "Chad." I'm just a semi-charismatic man who likes climbing (like you!), wants to improve myself, and have a little fun along the way.

The petite cute, "innocent" slut always makes me sad. I'm gaming this future plate (or pump-and-dump). She's in her mid-20s, cute AF with a great body, smart, has a good job and even owns her own house, and just broke up with her boyfriend not too long ago. She's always travelling for work. She looks like the nicest girl and has a lot going for her (even climbs!). But she just got on Tinder and the amount of dick she takes is ridiculous. She'll send me naked pictures every day, and it's sexy as hell, but underneath it all it just makes me so fucking sad. Because I see where this likely is going: The 1000 cock stare, perhaps a kid or two at 28 and a divorce at 32, then desolation.

What a brave new world we live in.

trpiece · 2017-05-12T16:44:52+00:00

Read every word of your story and it resonated with me. Every time I think I've found an innocent little thing eventually I'll catch a glimpse of the AWALT red flags and feel just a little bit more disappointed for even hoping.

You're right about that sadness, a lot of girls have had fucked up lives and many of us have too, so it's natural to want to help them and give them that closeness and love they seem to crave. That's only natural, it's called having empathy and being a human being instead of a total sociopath. Or we think, if that was us that's what we would want. But the reality is that they're not like us.

The situation is like the parable of the scorpion and the frog. You can try to help her, but she won't be able to help herself from destroying you both.

HAMMURABl · 2017-05-12T17:21:06+00:00

"Too many!" comment of flatmate is by far the biggest red flag lol

BlackJ1 · 2017-05-12T15:34:00+00:00

What I appreciate the most about this place is not the success with women it offers, but more so the decrease in disappointment, sadness, anger, and indignation towards women.

That flatmate who knocked on the door; that should have been me if I never found TRP. I can imagine me now feeling all indignant and sad rationalizing in my head: "I do EVERYTHING for her, I cook, clean, show compassion for her when she's sad, and all she's does is bring back some random dude she doesn't even know that well back to fuck! That asshole! He doesn't even know or treat her right like I do! I deserve her attention!"

This FR is insightful to me because it once again reminds me to drop the unrealistic expectations I have for women and never believe anyone owes me anything. Once I adopted this mindset, I never felt sad, angry, or indignant ever again...

kenpachitz · 2017-05-13T06:43:23+00:00

Her room is particularly lifeless and bare though and I start to get an odd kind of... pity... for this girl. She's very shy and anxious and sweet and not outwardly slutty or masculine like the other "bad bitch" slut kinda girls. She seems like she'd make a great girlfriend/wife one day, or she would have at one point.... plus, she has really sad eyes, like, I just look into them and I can just tell she's hurting real bad on the inside.

So I fuck her anyway.

... This just hit me hard.

I'm imagining the opposite side of this coin where a woman feels this way towards a guy... but still drains him for resources anyway.

And I sincerely have to wonder: has any woman felt towards me what you felt for this girl... and didn't give a shit anyway?

ideal_lemon · 2017-05-12T15:31:00+00:00

Sluts are like the nice guys. They naturally get attracted to alphas and think if they give away their side of the bargain (sex) they will get what they want (commitment). Sadly it doesn't work that way, and they do the same mistake over and over, just like how nice guys fall into LJBF's.

thecajunone · 2017-05-12T21:13:35+00:00

Started off hilarious, ended sad. Amazing write up man. Very insightful. Shit. Now I feel like fuck too cause I'm dangling a couple plates and you just made me realize both of them were fatherless too. Time to go lift.

brinkleybuzz · 2017-05-12T17:21:13+00:00

All she wanted in the whole world was to be loved properly by a guy who could actually guide and protect her, and she was giving up her body to try and find a guy who would do that for her.

As bad as modern feminism has been to men, it's been a massive disaster for the vast majority of women. Women naturally crave a strong male presence in their lives. The feminist assault on masculinity has robbed many women of the strong fathers and partners they need in their lives.

The result: a generation of damaged women who hop from alpha cock to alpha cock following their hard wired instinct to lock down a masculine partner. They perpetuate the cycle by raising children without fathers and/or ultimately marrying betas they and their daughters don't respect. The Daddy Issues Generation of women. A boon for masculine guys who want easy lays. A bust for men looking for women worthy of being wives and mothers.

BargainBinBoyfriend · 2017-05-12T18:09:35+00:00

My impulse would be to try to "save" this girl... or at least my past impulse would be. But then, wouldn't that just make me the Beta Beard dude?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've come to believe that people can't "be saved"... they can only save themselves.

MattyAnon · 2017-05-12T19:44:01+00:00

Small cute girls always get me. They look so innocent and that they shouldn't be fucking about and you just want to protect them ..... Every single girl I've fucked, every plate has had this effect on me. Maybe I'm just a big fucking softie, it just makes me sad.

We are biologically programmed to see the best in girls we pair with (even short term). It is literal biological optimism. She looks a bit innocent, she behaves a bit innocent, we are totally sold. Women know this, we know this, but it still works on us.

Same problem at the moment. Cute girl who was trying to marry her boyfriend "because he owes me". She sees marriage as her payoff for her investment (her investment = being with him). But we're fucking so I find myself thinking "awwwww she's really great... totally not like the other girls". Then I slap myself and remember how exploitative she can be if I give her an inch of rope.

To blame them for not being able to control their emotions and indulgences is like blaming a fat child for being fat

But why should she control her indulgences? Sex is fun, she can lie about her n-count later, and marriage is never off the table for her. There's literally zero motivation to be non-slutty, confident men are irresistibly attractive, and she's got this itch ...

I can't keep doing this to these girls.

Can't keep doing what? Girls will be FINE. You're just a stepping stone. You don't owe her anything. She's not going to spend a month crying over you. She'll shed crocodile tears while you're in front of her, and then go out dancing "just for a laugh" later and then oops I fell on Chad's dick. Again.

What's happened to our sisters and daughters and mothers. It's sad. Really sad.

What happened is that they are never the wholesome creatures they told you they were. They haven't changed, you've just woken up to female sexuality - and part of that is presenting themselves as wholesome to BB while slutting it up with AF. Your mother and sister will never show you the AF side, obviously.

FatStig · 2017-05-13T03:47:00+00:00

First, pretty much all women are sluts for Chad. I wouldn't judge them. They've never been taught this so they have no defense against it.

I think the sadness phase doesn't end until you figure out your mission. Fucking women is easy. It's not a mission.

tmarkows · 2017-05-13T06:00:16+00:00

I was going to post some shit about dealing with sadgirls from a vulnerable place. But its conflated and stupid and I'm drunk. Lucky you. Look I can't fuck sad girls anymore. And you shouldn't either. Its never good. You always have to take care of them. And its never appreciated. Its taken for granted not because they're inherently selfish. But because they've never inherently felt safe. When you feel inherently safe you take advantage of it. Especially if youve never had the chance to explore who you really are. Things like indie vs hip-hop seem trivial when your fighting for survival. But it's essential in knowing who are and what you value. As soon as you give someone with no grounding for who they are they will try to broaden their horizons and it doesn't matter who you are but you will always be the training wheels. If you're willing to be that for someone its a beautiful process but it's incredibly painful as they leave. And make no mistake they have to leave. In that situation you are the training wheels. But you get to see someone grow beyond their own capabilities and at times its worth it. But you need to realize the personal sacrifice. Sad people will always out grow you to shed who they were. No matter the relationship. That kind of love leaves scars. Deep scars. And I expected it. I knew it was the inevitable conclusion. I took it and I can't say whether or not it was worth it. All I can say is now as a human being I am closer to the red pill for my own relationships. It makes you a much harder man because you genuinely want the best for the both of you. You want the relationship to work. After the whole thing now I only believe in one thing. The person your with needs to be ready for what you want. The red pill more than anything is going out establishing what you want and finding someone that fits it for you. That is if you chose not to go mtgow

VasiliyZaitzev · 2017-05-12T19:35:07+00:00

SadEyes

Sounds like the "Thousand Cock Stare".

"Who are you?" He says.

"I'm the guy who is Banging.The.Ever.Loving.Shit out of your ~~oneitis~~ 'flat mate', fucktard. Now go fucking DISINTEGRATE!"

I've been the guy on your side of the door, before. It's funny the first time or two, and then it's annoying as fuck.

Katavasis · 2017-05-12T20:19:07+00:00

This is the shit i see in TRP and i know who is legit and who is not. Only guys that have been there understand what this mofo is talking about. Photos,teddy bears,her little pink pyjamas her mother bought her...they are kids left in a world,homeless. Yes,sadness is the right word. When in these situations i think that we didn't do our job properly. Us,men.We didn't protect the ones who need protection. We let them go out in traffic.

The worst thing is,i don't believe 'Sadness Phase' is a phase afterall,but the end in your realization.

claydn · 2017-05-12T18:16:38+00:00

lol @ i like the slut test. this post is definitely saved. I enjoyed the read. Thanks for sharing, dude. :)

Hotdawg179 · 2017-05-12T20:33:17+00:00

This is the best post I've read on TRP in a long time. Thank you for taking the time and damn do I relate to it...

imurhckleberry · 2017-05-12T20:56:24+00:00

Dude, this is FANTASTIC writing. You hit the nail on the head, we didn't break society and neither did the women we plate. Just like us they have to deal with the new set of rules.

RedPharaohRising · 2017-05-13T04:43:07+00:00

I don't understand one thing, OP.
You say you can't fix her. That's fine, she has to fix herself - anyone else can only help.
Then you say, it's not my job. I'm not sure why you say this, because it is increasingly seeming like most people on TRP are using this to avoid taking on a girl who may have problems of her own.

But if everyone acts this way, this kinda resembles capitalism, no? The people who are okay get okay-er, and the ones who are messing up continue to do so.

Don't give me the logic of "If I didn't fuck her, someone would, so I'm making it me." That's still a cop out, because if your primary objective really was avoiding the decline, you would decline anyway - you can't change her, but you can play a part in not making her pair-bonding ability worse by fucking her.
And then what we do contributes to the decline anyway, and we say "enjoy the decline". It's like we're pillaging a war-torn village, saying someone would have stolen this stuff anyway, and the point is that that's not the right argument to make it you want to stem the decline.

Do you want to stem the decline, or are you just observing and getting out with some goods? I'm asking for an answer, I'm not calling you out on any moral code.
I'm a little hand-wavy in my argument, but I'd love to get an answer, just as much for my own understanding.

Zech4riah · 2017-05-12T16:57:31+00:00

I don't even think I can plate anymore, I can't keep doing this to >these girls. I know if I don't others will, but it won't be on my >conscience at least.

This. I was and though exactly like you before.

Stage 1) I don't want to hurt women and fuck around (Bluepill excuse because I couldn't get women)
Stage 2) Success with women: "oh man, I actually hurt these girls, I don't wanna plate them anymore"
Stage 3) Getting numb and not caring so much about girls feelings anymore.

[deleted] · 2017-05-12T20:28:25+00:00

This piece was incredibly insightful.

Psychocist · 2017-05-12T23:24:45+00:00

Wow. This is painful. A few weeks back I broke up with my GF of 10 months who sounds almost exactly like this.. self-harm scars, sad, slutty. Was only my second relationship and first time I'd had first-date sex and she got me seriously addicted (was great in bed).

I realised I didn't want to be with her long-term after a few months and, through efforts to save her, dragged it out over 6 months and really fucked up both our heads.

The saddest thing - close to our final break up she actually asked me "what do I have to do for commitment". I didn't even know what to say, I just said "respect yourself". That's what spiralled into her kicking me to the curb because I couldn't offer commitment.

At least now I know. I don't ever want to be involved emotionally with that kind of person again.

Having said that, people here might not advocate relationships much, but I do hope one day I can experience a healthy relationship with a fairly healthy woman. A life of spinning plates with daddy issues sounds like a depressing existence.

sincerely_beta · 2017-05-13T02:52:23+00:00

I was discussing Houellebecq with someone and they had told me about The Red Pill. I was reminded of him while going through the post. Maybe some of you will like reading these excerpts:

From the amorous point of view Véronique belonged, as we all do, to a sacrificed generation. She had certainly been capable of love; she wished to still be capable of it, I’ll say that for her; but it was no longer possible. A scarce, artificial and belated phenomenon, love can only blossom under certain mental conditions, rarely conjoined, and totally opposed to the freedom of morals which characterizes the modern era. Véronique had known too many discothèques, too many lovers; such a way of life impoverishes a human being, inflicting sometimes serious and always irreversible damage. Love as a kind of innocence and as a capacity for illusion, as an aptitude for epitomizing the whole of the other sex in a single loved being rarely resists a year of sexual immorality, and never two. In reality the successive sexual experiences accumulated during adolescence undermine and rapidly destroy all possibility of projection of an emotional and romantic sort; progressively, and in fact extremely quickly, one becomes as capable of love as an old slag. And so one leads, obviously, a slag’s life; in ageing one becomes less seductive, and on that account bitter. One is jealous of the younger, and so one hates them. Condemned to remain unavowable, this hatred festers and becomes increasingly fervent; then it dies down and fades away, just as everything fades away. All that remains is resentment and disgust, sickness and the anticipation of death.

It's a fact, I mused to myself, that in societies like ours sex truly represents a second system of differentiation, completely independent of money; and as a system of differentiation it functions just as mercilessly. The effects of these two systems are, furthermore, strictly equivalent. Just like unrestrained economic liberalism, and for similar reasons, sexual liberalism produces phenomena of absolute pauperization. Some men make love every day; others five or six times in their life, or never. Some make love with dozens of women; others with none. lt’s what's known as ‘the law of the market’. In an economic system where unfair dismissal is prohibited, every person more or less manages to find their place. In a sexual system where adultery is prohibited, every person more or less manages to find their bed mate. In a totally liberal economic system certain people accumulate considerable fortunes; others stagnate in unemployment and misery. In a totally liberal sexual system certain people have a varied and exciting erotic life; others are reduced to masturbation and solitude. Economic liberalism is an extension of the domain of the struggle, its extension to all ages and all classes of society. Sexual liberalism is likewise an extension of the domain of the struggle, its extension to all ages and all classes of society. On the economic plane Raphael Tisserand belongs in the victors’ camp; on the sexual plane in that of the vanquished. Certain people win on both levels; others lose on both. Businesses fight over certain young professionals; women fight over certain young men; men fight over certain young women; the trouble and strife are considerable.

-- Michel Houellebecq, "Whatever"

[deleted] · 2017-05-13T06:32:58+00:00

Great post and I get what you are saying but the sadness phase will pass much more quickly than the anger phase. It is great that you are still in touch with your feelings and you should not lose your moral compass, but do not get too upset. This girl has chosen to ride the CC, of course it is society's and feminisms fault that these women are being encouraged to act like men and thereby ruining their own lives, but save your pity for the real victims. Guys getting divorce raped, guys getting cheated on, and less attractive girls who really have to do jobs they hate and go without male companionship. Yes it is sad that western women have become tacky sluts who cannot pair bond, but hey, you go girl. I suspect you are ready for an LTR, just be ready to accept that there are no unicorns and find a girl with as few red flags as possible.

BargainBinBoyfriend · 2017-05-12T21:22:35+00:00

OP, I'm surprised you didn't mention any cutting scars... they're almost universal on this type anymore. They provide good discreet information when seen, though.

[deleted] · 2017-05-13T12:50:00+00:00

It's sad really because they think putting out automatically grants them commitment from a rich alpha, when it's actually the opposite.

No wonder why society used to protect against this.

SandpaperScrew · 2017-05-13T00:05:06+00:00

Dude, I've already gone through this phase of life. I went to college still being the geeky shy musician out of high school and suddenly girls were into that kind of thing. And I've been through a lot of them, and it made me feel good about myself. Even ignored the guilt of telling the ones interested in me I didn't want to date. This eventually caught up with me though, bad. I thought I really was these girl's friend as well as their Fuck buddy, but for real they all dropped out of my life after they got tired of my dick. The thing I failed to realize was that I wasn't the only one out to use someone to get off, they were out for the same thing. And whether it's because of bullying, abuse or just low self-esteem or mental health issue, everyone in that game is carrying something around heavy on their hearts that they're trying to heal, trying to overcome. I know teenagers are sick of hearing it, but it's hormones. It really is, because soon you're in your twenties and you're an adult still trying to score pussy at the local bars with a woman who's never found a man who wouldn't hit her and she spent ten years hooked on dope. And everyone stands there, full blown alcoholics, telling themselves they're still young, hot and they want to get laid. But it's a lie. I've never seen a sadder bunch of people, even if they force a smile on their faces.

But not everybody ends up that way. The fact you've been able to recognize these feelings now is a good thing, listen to that. If you really want to help these girls, don't Fuck them. If you are going to Fuck them, take them on dates first and show them how a man should treat a woman. Impress the Fuck out of them, and set a standard that they'll hopefully carry over into their next actual relationship.

Then someday, when you find the girl you want to spend your life with, if you're convinced and you will be because you'll probably have known her a long time: Forgive her for the mistakes she's going to make along the way, because she was probably raised in the same shit all the other girls you've known have been in, but she'll hide it much better. And if you love her, you'll drag the truth out of her kicking and screaming and that experience will bond you two forever.

I now have a one year old boy with my love of my life, and we have been through some shit, but her shit was going on as we got together. Mine had already passed. And I helped her, through my tears and pain, to get her near my level of contentment with my own life. Now life is beautiful, and I wouldn't want it any other way.

PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL · 2017-05-13T04:02:47+00:00

Now the difference in treatment between men and women.

My dad was probably a sociopath. If not a clinical sociopath, he definitely took pleasure in abusing me and mom emotionally - won't get into it, because, as you might imagine, that is a whole post in and of itself. I have grown up with anxiety and adult depression. Do you think anybody in this world has given a fuck? Not one person, except the college counselor I am seeing at thirty years old as a graduate student.

I never really had an anger phase, because I have never felt mistreated by women. I won the genetic lottery, and the vast majority of times I got laid, it was literally because I am that attractive. Game has been zero for my whole life. Turns out that being emotionally abused well into your twenties will fuck you up mentally. The only reason I know this, is because I have been working on myself and researching things related to my problem (mainly procrastination). Symptoms and causes described through my readings fit too closely to my own circumstances to ignore. My parents fucked me over, and not even my own family cares. If I exist, imagine how many men out there like me exist. And not one person sheds a tear for men. Not one.

Take me out of the equation, because I am still alive and I have a future ahead of me. What about the guys, the mass of them, that give up and commit suicide. How much awareness is there to what led them to such desperation? Men in the US lament being forgotten and left behind, society laughs at them for being weak.

This is a fantastic fucking post, u/Heathcliff--. Thank you very much.

Stonish · 2017-05-13T05:46:18+00:00

Upvote for not being emotionless piece of crap while still maintaining RP rules.

HumanSockPuppet · 2017-05-13T08:30:55+00:00

Great write-up /u/Heathcliff-- .

I do have one insight to share:

I do this with EVERY girl I bang for the first time. Pretend I don't have a condom and see how many of them will fuck me without one anyway. If they have any class they'll say no... but the vast majority of girls I've done this with were totally okay with it. SO MANY girls fail the test.

This may not always be the case.

If the girl feels you're way out of her league, she may let you fuck her raw just to avoid the risk of disappointing you. She doesn't want your first sexual experience together to be awkward or disappointing, or she may lose her chance with you.

Here's my personal slut test:

Me: Shit, I think I may have left my condoms at home.

Her: Oh don't worry, I've got some here.

Bam, failed.

BlackKnightofthePill · 2017-05-13T15:21:28+00:00

This is a hard thing to go through I imagine.

You're missing out on something, though.

We know that women in general have a difficult time making good logical decisions, especially when they are also emotional or turned on, this isn't a criticism of them as you know, just an observation of fact. Yet when they act like that it doesn't necessarily disqualify them for whatever kind of relationship we want (plate through wife) because we know AWALT.

There's statistically no such thing as a unicorn, although they may exist. The world has taught SadEyes and the others to offer their bodies just like it has taught them the other behaviors and expectations that they didn't have it at least knew to keep under control a hundred years ago.

For all the other bad behaviors (hypergamy, shit tests etc.) We train them. Why can't you do the same for the girl who doesn't know any better than to offer her body to you as a way to offer her SELF to you?

Obviously, if she wasn't the material for whatever you're looking for in other ways then plate her. But if she has what you're looking for in other ways and your hold up was that she offered herself to you, what's the problem? It's just a corroborating piece of evidence of the fact that they're flawed in their ways like we are in ours.

Your post gave me the impression that you are fine with spinning plates but that you also potentially want more. If I misread then never mind.

This isn't about turning a ho into a housewife. You can't do that. But there's a difference between the thousand cock stare, which is devoid of emotion and the eyes of a sad girl who is experiencing real emotion and is just dealing with it badly (ie offering herself to you and not demanding a condom). It's basically like one huge desperate comfort text that you have no obligation to pass. But, if she or any of the others have "it", aside from failing your slut test, it's not wrong to pass it.

We talk about the biological impulses of women and men, how they're different and sometimes use TRP strategy because we have to in this day and age. One of the things that we say about men is claim the biological imperative if spreading our seed, and we expect not to be blamed for that. We also point out the biological imperative of women giving themselves to Chad. Should we fault them from that if they're not in a committed relationship? Perhaps a little because they might lack some discipline. But we already knew they did in general, so big deal. Another biological imperative that men sometimes have is the one you fight each time this happens to you. The bad manifestation of it is trying to turn a thousand cock stare ho into a housewife. The potentially at least acceptable if not good manifestation of it is selecting a girl who has what it takes in other regards but mistakenly thinks sheer needs to give it up right away for a guy to want her. That's a lack of a sense of self-worth and deserves pity of not empathy from 17 BMI futanari fapping you of your past, since you probably had a lack of a sense of self worth at the time too.

I'll give you an example from college. I met this got half-korean girl. She was obviously "lost" in a similar way you describe SadEyes. She was hot, smart and interesting, but had no real sense of self-worth, was into Wicca because they make you feel like you belong to something, and "went both ways" because she was desperate for acceptance.

She gave it up to me the first date. It was a little bit of a red flag for relationship material, but everyone has some red flags. What ended up happening was a three-year relationship, 2 after college. She never cheated, she learned to be level-headed, her shit tests went down and down over the years, she stayed a freak the whole time, she got over girls, it was an all around good experience for both of us.

We ended up breaking up because of different long-term life goals and she went on to marry a guy who thought she was a super catch, partly because of the fact that (it sounds kinda presumptuous but it's true) because I didn't say "she's a slut because she didn't demand a condom. I helped her out of a downward spiral and had a satisfying relationship to boot, and did a service to her, her husband and her kids by doing so. It wasn't a loss in my book.

Obviously that's anecdotal, and it can't always be like that, but TRP can be applied while still being compassionate and change women's lives, and therefore their future families and therefore society.

pateuvasiliu · 2017-05-14T17:58:02+00:00

Every single girl I've fucked, every plate has had this effect on me. Maybe I'm just a big fucking softie, it just makes me sad.

Don't. That's bullshit. They want a top SMV guy. No guy that's at the top of the SMV got there just to fuck ONE woman.

There are plenty dudes that would be willing to commit to them, they just need to have realistic standards. But a woman will always try to date up. Take the beta in this story. He's probably in love with her, autistic as he is. And she is not exactly wife material, either. They're both fucked in the head. They'd deserve each other. But she tried to commit/date up by asking YOU, someone she barely knew, to commit to her, whereas that guy was ready to do it.

Why? Because they'll always try to reach higher than they can get. So why pity that?

ColdIceZero · 2017-05-12T18:59:23+00:00

I needed this today. Reentered anger phase recently, important to remember that we're all humans.

Poor girl. I feel so sad for her. What have we done to ourselves.

dontbedenied · 2017-05-12T23:12:03+00:00

Girls like this don't want to be saved or loved. They want to be treated like dogs. Maybe they say they want to be loved, and guys will slobber up that empty statement, but they're just words. Believe what a woman does, not what they say.

simple_mech · 2017-05-12T22:52:50+00:00

That's just the blue balls talking.

spacedogg · 2017-05-13T02:05:38+00:00

I've been having affairs for awhile now and it really makes me feel like a stud- at least at the beginning.

Then, I begin to see the very same girl inside a grown womans' body and I feel like I simply intruded into her life.

It's real mate.

throwinghthisoneaway · 2017-05-13T03:35:38+00:00

And thats how I got sucked into my last LTR

acoupleyearsred · 2017-05-13T05:01:01+00:00

The pictures in their bedrooms always get me. Especially put together girls, I'd like to see their family's reaction to her swallowing my load and getting a dick in the rib cage the first time we get drinks

Bkblul · 2017-05-13T11:58:51+00:00

Great post mate. It has really inspired a fair bit of discussion.

Sadeyes reminds me of a girl I met last year. 21, short, blonde with a cute smile and a voice that melts your heart. Got her into bed and found out the same as you. No dad, living away from home for school and a bedroom full of memories. She looked at me stupid when I stopped to put a condom on. Was some of the worst sex I'd ever had, she laid there like a starfish. Asked her for her N count and my jaw dropped when I heard 30. Didn't talk to her again.

Currently in an LTR with a country girl, parents are Christian and still together. Honestly the difference is black and white. She actually has some self-respect. At first she wouldn't go further without protection. Now I can pretty much fuck her anyway I want and she loves it. It's a good feeling being the first guy to show a girl that new position etc.

Not sure if this will help your screening but I've noticed that most of these non-slutty girls are very careful to not let other people know you're having sex (no PDAs etc). Don't be offended, it's nothing on you.

I've always felt that a single woman taking birth control was a red flag as well. How many people are you fucking that you need to pop a pill every day?

[deleted] · 2017-05-13T17:04:50+00:00

I think a requirement of posting these epic "totally happened" stories where you claim to be "Chad" multiple times should be posting a picture of your face so we can judge just how "Chadly" you actually are.

I can't believe people actually eat this shit up. Was TRP always this bad? I could swear it was better when I first came here a long time ago. When did TRP devolve into a Revenge of the Nerds fanfiction sub?

Someone even gave OP gold for this wank. Fucking christ.

MrTheFalcon · 2017-05-13T18:42:40+00:00

Amazing; introspective and expressive.

I've only recently killed my inner white knight, so I'm asking as much as I'm observing. Your attitude in the pickup phase is arrogant. Is that necessary? For example, if the girl is falling all over you, do you need to game her that hard? Is it possible to pull back a little so that you are still leading? That way you are in charge, but not completely dominating her. Even if you are purposefully creating a more balanced dynamic, doesn't that increase intimacy, and isn't intimacy rewarding?

I also think it's a virtue that you have compassion for these women. God knows I've learned the hard way that I can't fix people (except for myself). But you can listen, and if asked, you can give honest advice. I'm thinking that instead of leaving, feeling bad for this girl, you can be a bit of light in her life, even if it's just for one night.

There's got to be more to it than just getting off. I mean, if that's all there is, then for guys who have any compassion at all, is it even worth the next-day feels. At that point why bother once you've proved you can do it? - Bang an HB9-10, then peace-out and porn.

IGoYouStayTwoAutumns · 2017-05-12T21:51:57+00:00

My partner count is well into the triple digits. Looking back, I can honestly say that number of women who INSISTED I used a condom: less than 5. (Not 5%, 5.)

Proceed with caution gents. If she's not insisting on a condom with you, she's not insisting on it with anyone else either.

nonthaki · 2017-05-12T21:47:13+00:00

I don' t have any opinion about OP's view of her humanity. But, I want to tell something I observed.

There is an IOI that I have seen in many girls who were interested in me. If you are standing with one or two of your friends , and the girl is facing all of You , then look to whom her feet is pointing at. In my case , I have seen in many girls who I later found out were interested in me ; their feet were pointed at me during conversations in a small group (3 or 4 people maximum). Ofcourse, take this theory with a pinch of salt - it need not be true with Every girl .

Luckyluke23 · 2017-05-14T07:47:22+00:00

I've only ever had one girl who stopped sex and just sucked me off. Some girls have their own condoms. That's less worrisome then the bad option but still irks me that they're fucking around so much that they keep their own condoms just in case. Oh well, whatever, AWALT after all.

I just assume every girl is like that nowadays... I wouldn't even bother with the tests. her emotions WILL get the better of her

tolerantman · 2017-05-17T15:44:19+00:00

Anger is the emotion of desiring to make a change, to act.

Sadness is the emotion of being unable to chance anything.

LiquidSwords89 · 2017-05-26T13:29:14+00:00

This is the most cringeworthy thing I have ever read lmao "holy fuck im chad" hahahah

MentORPHEUS · 2017-05-12T21:55:52+00:00

Good write-up, OP.

THIS is the archetypical CC rider who hits the wall HARD before 30. Smoking tobacco + stress horomones are going to rapidly age her body and face, and if she keeps trying to fill that empty place in her head with more cocks she will end up bitter and cynical on top of having a cigarette voice.

aiguo888 · 2017-05-12T22:24:19+00:00

You forgot a looooong paragraph about AWALT.

Now some beta might think he can save her or some shit.

Even a shy girl I think might have been virgin ( in asia so this is plausible ) turned full femnazi on me when she found out I wasn't the rock solid alpha she had previously seen me. Make no mistake these girls can turn on you at any moment when you fail shit tests or otherwise don't appear particularly mentally strong anymore.

I do stupid bro shit with them, like frat boy chest beating and all that. Imagine being that fucking beta. Looking at it from his perspective, I'm just a douchebag tall Chad who's fucking the girl of his dreams and now I'm the worst person in the world.

I like calm collected alphas not muh dick aggressive douchebag types. The vast majority are the latter and for them it's all about physical dominance, so they get no love from me.

I'm not hating, I just wouldn't want to associate with guys like that and too many of them lead to a downfall of civilization down to 3rd world levels really quick. (this is already the case in western Europe)

tropzumuch · 2017-05-12T23:33:10+00:00

You're a main bro. Stopping to game and still producing this professional RP post. Thanks man

creative-om · 2017-05-13T01:08:48+00:00

If this isn't made up, it's the saddest thing I've ever read.

Every guy wants to be the nice guy but after years of experience...you know it isn't what they really want.

follow_that_rabbit · 2017-05-13T05:06:17+00:00

Woah dude, that was a strong piece... Thanks for sharing, i'll meditate on that for sure.

Metalbear55 · 2017-05-13T08:01:42+00:00

I think the biggest takeaway from here is that OP completely killed off his neediness. Even if he didn't get his hands on that chick he would've been fine and that's the biggest piece of puzzle for securing a lay

And about the sadness phase Most of us here are to enjoy the decline You're feeling sympathy for her because she has shown you her good side. A side that only chads see

Just imagine how ruthless and apathetic she was to her beta roommate and you will somehow see the truth

AttackOnKvothe · 2017-05-13T09:21:58+00:00

But they ARE at fault for being sluts.

They got equality, now its THEIR fault for what they do, because they are "equal".

Don't be silly OP, women and men are still what they were 200 years ago, but the social situation makes it so both have the real tools to change their lives.

Just because women have less neurons in the brain and can't understand how the world works on a concious level, doesn't mean they don't do real effects.

From sadness, you will go to pitying, and from there, to trying to save the girls, and it risks you falling again in the beta zone.

Never pity those bitches, they have what they deserve. They have issues? They should solve them themselves, thats how the world works in this century, in this month, and in this week.

If it was different, and if the whole system of "man saving woman, woman being a good wife" worked nowadays, I would cheer for you, but the system nowadays is that everyone is for themselves, and you can't trust anyone.

People treat each other like dispensable items which are good only as long as they are useful, so you shouldn't lower your guard and believe those girl really need saving.

The moment you "save" them, they will seek a taller, handsomer and funnier guy to "save" them from you.

They never settle, like a normal human being would, because women are human nature's leech, always going to a stronger host to suck the positive things.

The moment she gets an alpha, she searches for an alpha+ or an alpha alpha.

Never, ever feel sadness. It just blurrs your vision, and gets you blue balled because of a betafag and a dumb bimbo who can't tell him to fuck off or she will call the police.

walawalawa · 2017-05-13T12:20:01+00:00

What I take away from this epic story...is how far you've come along. Girls are girls.

The more you see her as a "waif" or a "slut" or whatever, the more you give up a piece of yourself to "save" someone else.

The essence of beta and Blue Pill is co-dependence. It's something I'm purging myself of.

I meet and bang girls like this. I don't feel sorry for them, they wouldn't want me to. It would ruin their image of me as the strong, aloof, cocky-funny guy who swept her off her feet---even for that moment---and made her night.

I just had a night out with a 22 year old I was gaming. I can see that despite her brashness and cockiness she's kind of a scared kid.

But I never talked down to her, never ever patronized her. I gamed her the way I game every girl. That's what sparks attraction. The minute I start failing shit tests, asking if "She's ok?" "How's your day?" Is the moment she starts losing respect for me because I'd be making her "feel" like a loser.

This whole idea of game being anti-feminist is only uttered by Blue Pill White Knights who actually talk down to women in a bid to demonstrate how "nice" they are.

By gaming a girl you're actually raising her own self-esteem. Take note of the next time you're with a girl, you're gaming her at the first location. You're about to bounce. She says "I just have to go to the washroom" and she comes out with a fresh coat of make up touched up and fresh lipstick.

THAT is the sign the girl feels good about the situation and wants to continue.

The girl still lives with beta neck-beard because he provides that "comfort" and safety and THAT is why he's an orbiter and OP is the one who bangs her.

By acting out like this Room mate was MORE disrespectful of her and treated her like a slut while OP did what a masculine man would and should do.

TheGatesOfValhalla · 2017-05-19T02:11:30+00:00

This is really great and it gets me where I am.

My mom told me recently, "Don't break her heart..."

I don't tell my mom much, but she knew about this one plate, I probably told her too much. That kinda stuck home with me and made me super sad. Not for me, but for this girl. I don't have an interest in LTRing her, but she's hoping for that from me even though I've told her no. Unfortunately, she's an alpha widow who rode the CC for way way too long. Definitely not LTR material. I wonder if she realizes that deep down....

sintemir · 2017-05-28T11:15:43+00:00

Is it wrong that i felt nothing? It is like i am watching a documentary that leopard preys on gazella and gazella's boy friend watching her get eaten. Its all natural.

razerkahn · 2017-06-04T10:52:01+00:00

Yo - how are you doing since this?

I hit the same wave of feelings about a year ago and went introspective by looking as deep into myself as the plates I was spinning(had about 45-50 in the last 3 years, most for over a month, being 6'6" in LA is cheating)

It eventually lead me away from TRP, but now after being away I'm realizing I might need it again. It's different this time because I have experienced what it brings and where it leads. Almost seems like a circle

I'm speaking specifically and only about the sex and female aspect of TRP. Some part of me wants to give a girl the ability to break my heart because it will feel that much better when she loves me back. At the same time I think I know what women want and have successfully been operating under such guidelines, but if I'm right I'm not sure vulnerably loving a woman is possible.

bsutansalt · 2017-06-11T05:28:04+00:00

Is he your dad?

"I mean if you want you can come in and watch I don't mind"

LOL! You're killing me, Smalls! These are grade-A Chadisms. Good for you.

[deleted] · 2017-07-15T17:03:35+00:00

I listened to Boulevard of broken Dreams ( Piano Version ) while Reading the last part cause it came up in my playlist .

Perfect Combination .

JohnnyCocktails93 · 2017-05-12T21:48:57+00:00

Fact: Girls without a father = hypergamy on steroids

I empathize where you're coming from. The thing is, the more you dig about her personal life, the more you end up rationalizing to yourself why she ended up the way she is, and your bp conditioning makes you feel responsible to save her. At the least you feel guilty if you don't.

But like this sub often says...there's no nobility in being captain save-a-ho. Girls like this are usually damaged way beyond repair. You might fill an emotional void for her temporarily, but it's only a matter of time before her hypergamy kicks in and she's looking for the next Chad. You feel sad now? Imagine how you'll feel when you get played for a sucker when she cheats after you promise her the world.

That said, I personally would still plate this girl if the sex was good - but to each his own. Seems like you need some time to come to terms with the sadness you're experiencing - completely understandable.

Btw, love the condom slut test approach - I'm going to put that in my bag of tricks.

Docbear64 · 2017-05-12T23:12:53+00:00

This post was a rollercoaster of emotions from what was an Field report bordering on " that happened " territory to a really deep raw look at plating and I think you're absolutely right . I've experienced it myself and I'm sure many others on the sub a woman who's broken inside who seeks sex and men as a way to attend to her self - esteem issues and lack of a direction .

The unfortunate thing is we live in a society where there is no real way to fix this . It would require a massive cultural shift away from selfishness ad a focus on a collective happiness with the understanding of what sacrifices have to happen to attain that. It's that raw statement come true " You can have just about anything, but you can't have everything" . We have a generation of women being told that they can have it all and it hurts them , it hurts our relationship prospects with them , and It's only going to further ruin the next generations of kids.

MasterJeaf · 2017-05-13T00:48:02+00:00

This read like fucking war Novel. Brilliant perspective though, brought more of a Human element to trp.

BudRock56 · 2017-05-12T15:32:52+00:00

Some of the things u said almost made me puke. Guy.....she smokes and looks sad, why would you expect her to be a "good girl" she seems damaged and fucking smokes......im glad your eyes are open now. Boys are growing up into broken/very sensitive bitches and women are growing up as stupid sluts.

Anyways, i dont use the "Act like you've already fucked the shit out of her" i personally have better shit to do and the woman im talking to rn sees that and is chasing me. But i do see why you said that because you can use that confidence, so if you gotta do that then alright cool. Also i use texting for short convos sometimes, a woman hit me with a "whats up" and it lead to flirting and turning her on to where she sent pics of her breast and blah blah blah. Also were meeting up very soon.

Also i personally dont care to save people. U seem like u want to save people, once you save em there off to a different person.

iconicmindx · 2017-05-13T16:04:22+00:00

Well written and interesting , but coming from someone who had everything in the world teach him he was " gods gift to women" since he was 11, your lack of internalization is not going to go away anytime soon.

I remember being 17, in awe of the girls I was pulling , not able to believe I was getting with 26 year olds at clubs.

Took Me until I was around 21 to internalize it to w pathological extent.

Sure I'm projecting on your game, but don't give up, even though you may need to remind yourself who you are.

Eventually it'll feel like youz

indivisibleremainder · 2017-05-13T01:49:26+00:00

this is the best post on TRP i've ever read,

Trainzkid · 2017-05-13T01:57:56+00:00

Holy shit...

This post.. I need to take a long moment to think. Gracias, Captain.

west3rn1deals · 2017-05-13T07:31:16+00:00

You know, although i have never felt sadness for really any advance i made on a girl there was a time... it was my first ever real date. (A little background on myself) I am a very new user, i have heard of the red pill before and i listened to the how to become interesting in 3 steps posts on YouTube. I tried to find the subreddit a year ago, but only found the hate posts. I do lift weights, and i have hobbies and interests. Yet lately i felt something was missing from my life, I'm 18 almost 19 and still a virgin (I can lie to a woman about how many women I've slept with but I won't lie to you folks) and I'm in college. You could say I am a bit of a MGTOW, but I find it illogical to be one and be a virgin at the same time. So i decided to go here and finally take the plunge. Anyways forgive me I digress... during my first date (and when I was under the influence of BP) I thought it was going very well, hell it was the first real date she was ever on too. We talked we laughed and at the end of the night I kissed her on the cheek because I told her I would kiss her when I brought her home (I know right, very BP) well anywho... since the date was on a Friday throughout the rest of the weekend I felt very fatigued and depressed. Not wanting to do anything, until I got to see her again; it led me to the realization that maybe what I was experiencing was a type of high that you could get from snorting cocaine off a strippers ass. Turns out later it was actually true. Bottom line, that could be more than likely what you are experiencing since you felt success from finding out you are Chad, like I did when I had my first date. Hope this helps and always remember to stay thirsty for more... Stay Thirsty my friend.

mrjoykill157 · 2017-05-13T10:33:40+00:00

dude you have every right to just be her friend and also have sex with her if you don't want to see her corrupted.

Nikelu · 2017-05-13T13:34:01+00:00

Had you not gave so many details the story would be more realistic. But I am like you, and I am feeling the same stuff you do . The only thing I will take is the slut test from this post. But newbies can definitely benefit from this. It can be your new life if you put in the work on yourself and be cocky and idgaf

kupakuma · 2017-05-13T16:08:44+00:00

Don't you the dare use Uzumaki Naruto, the 7th Hokage's name in vain.

kealh · 2017-05-13T19:50:27+00:00

There's nothing to do in this world but to stack breads. If she can't swim, she bounds to drown.

I see that sometimes too but then I remember how cold women can be and I don't feel so bad.

Luckyluke23 · 2017-05-14T07:50:00+00:00

great post man... nearly made me cry while reading it.

do you do caching? cos I could use some right now.

gazzaa2 · 2017-05-14T16:55:30+00:00

Why feel sorry for her? If she wants to snag a beta she can do. She has other options other than just being a fuck toy for chads.

Feel sorry for the simp who'll end up marrying her in 10 years.

LordThunderbolt · 2017-05-16T11:10:22+00:00

That's nice and everything, but if these girls found a beta that kept spending money on them and they didn't have to fuck them, they'd suck his wallet dry with no remorse.

LivingstonArt · 2017-05-19T05:30:09+00:00

Great read, very relatable. Very good discussions in the comments as well

thrillated · 2017-06-11T00:40:18+00:00

I'm in the exact same boat. The abundance of women in my life is offset by the sadness I feel as I empathize with these women after we fuck.

renateco · 2017-07-27T13:41:49+00:00

Great story. Great points. You reached next level TRP. That's what it one can accomplish with TRP, understand women in general, attraction and what are the reasons behind girl-man attraction.

hahayeahthatscool · 2017-08-20T23:51:16+00:00

This is all made up lmao he stared at your dick because "she's not supposed to have boys" reads like what a middle schooler thinks dating life would be.

harsheehorshee · 2017-05-12T18:12:33+00:00

Plz don't use waifu. Makes me think of you as some sad nerdy weaboo that thinks going to an easy Asian country bc he couldn't hack it here is the way to go

Inb4 all the beta weebs down voting. How jack off to your cartoon Japanese girls

BudRock56 · 2017-05-12T16:45:59+00:00

I don't know what to think of the OP, so I will just offer some enumerated remarks:

Anyone who still smokes cigarettes is trash. A cute chick smoking a cigarette? Trash.
Dude, you are in college. Wtf are you doing letting yourself become emotionally attracted to these bitches?!? You need to fucking be put on Red Pill Probation.
You fucked up the roommate situation. First, and of least importance, I would have punched that shit head in the face then recommenced Fucking the bitch. But you handled it your own way, so ok. Next, why in the hell would you allow this Bitch to blue ball you ? If she said no to fucking again, or at least a hummer, then leave. Wtf?!? You stayed and went back to bed with this silly bitch and never blew a load?!? The fuck is wrong with you?!? Did you cuddle with the bitch too? This is beyond pathetic.

I don't know who this Chad guy is that you aspire to be. But from your behavior, Chad must insert Tampons and watch chick flicks. You, dude, are still a BETA!

redpill9-1 · 2017-05-13T05:48:34+00:00

Bro there will always be an endless supply of simps to be her emotional tampon. Keep calm and carry on. U banged her. So that's it. It's over. It's hard letting her go but ur male biology is wired like that. But don't let it fool u. Good luck man. Enjoy the decline. Good luck guys really. Btw she's a whore. Nothing more. Dun be a bitch.

deephurting666 · 2017-05-12T21:01:35+00:00

In my younger days I would have just fucked her and left, I see no "humanity" nor do I care for it..all I see is an easy lay.. I don't care if she was gang raped as an 8 year old and is traumatized for life, if she put out so be it likely all she gets from me is a number to a burner phone, a fake name and our moment recorded on my pen cam.. Besides I had a vasectomy done at 18 so the preggo thing is never a problem for me and as for STD's well there is always medication (and no the possibility of getting HIV thru straight sex is so low its trivial)

Title	The Sadness Phase
Author	Heathcliff--
Upvotes	1754
Comments	219
Date	12 May 2017 03:12 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	TheRedPill
Link	https://theredarchive.com/post/43182
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/6arw5f/the_sadness_phase/

The Sadness Phase

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Race to the Top 2: Electric Boogaloo (The Red Pill Guide for Minorities)

Race to the Top 2: Electric Boogaloo (The Red Pill Guide for Minorities)