A great example of how libfem pickmes are dangerous to women. FGM = Female Genital Mutilation.

if11bravehawk · 2021-04-08T21:53:08+00:00

The only reason I could EVER imagine a woman would be willing to do this, is to please a man. Or because she has been pressured into it.

All these LVMs pushing for procedures like the "extra stitch." Lib feminism really is a curse.

gcthwy · 2021-04-08T21:48:15+00:00

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Candle_Jacqueline · 2021-04-08T23:22:53+00:00

Its a false premise. In any culture wherein FGM would be practiced, accepted, or encouraged, there is no way for women to "choose" anything. When a culture excuses or encourages violence towards anyone, they don't actually have autonomy or freedom; they are simply choosing the option that reduces the amount of violence they will be subjected to.

nieces-pieces · 2021-04-08T22:14:08+00:00

FGM was the main focus of my senior thesis. The judges hadn’t even heard about it before and were shocked and appalled, one had to be excused. I can’t imagine how disgustingly privileged and so far removed from reality you’d have to be to even utter such nonsense. It’s a slap in the face to survivors.

2021-04-08T21:33:23+00:00

So like, would she choose it for herself or her daughter? Completely out of touch with reality.

Rowbloks · 2021-04-08T21:44:47+00:00

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Cross_Stitch_Witch · 2021-04-09T01:40:31+00:00

I majored in anthropology and FGM is one of the reasons I realized I could never pursue it as a serious career. The concept of cultural relativity is the height of male privilege -- it's real easy to remain a neutral observer when it's not your gender being oppressed in every goddamn culture and you're socialized to lack basic human empathy.

constellationofsuns · 2021-04-08T23:13:16+00:00

That's as loony as the "some slaves had it great" line of BS.

2021-04-08T21:36:46+00:00

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natashaalexandra · 2021-04-08T21:31:14+00:00

I remember being taught in anthropology that viewing FGM negatively was just ethnocentrism. 🙄 I really hated anthro....

singing_stream · 2021-04-08T23:22:06+00:00

Umm..

presumably this 'girl' in question would be a full grown woman who would be forced to undergo a psych evaluation first?

Because excuse me (not) when i say that anyone who chooses to have it done, is not sane.

How far removed from any kind of rational thinking does someone have to be to think that that was a rational enough thought to actually voice it?

azureangel35 · 2021-04-09T03:05:34+00:00

I had a male tell me his old coworker's wife used to beg to be beaten. because she grew up in the custom of husbands physically disciplining their wives. So he would beat her to please her. I looked at him like he had 5 heads-no one ever wants to be beaten by their fucking husband. jesus fucking christ. OP is right, liberal feminism is the fucking knee on women's windpipe.

Ananoriel · 2021-04-09T01:17:11+00:00

I can't imagine any circumstances where a person wants to be forever mutilated. Do these people even understand that most women who experienced it where a child or forced in any other way? In cultures where FGM is done, women don't have any say in this, or barely rights to begin with. No sane person would do this willingly.

People are so disillusional

JippityB · 2021-04-09T00:38:42+00:00

You know what boggles my mind completely?

FGM is becoming more and more accepted as a cultural thing that is distasteful, but happens.

But the second you bring up castrating a male paedophile there's an uproar about it. It's not just distasteful, it's immoral.

What?! That's just utterly bonkers thinking to me.

copperhead96 · 2021-04-09T05:23:04+00:00

The "girl" that they are discussing is someone like my mother. Who had FGM done to her at 9 years old. It was not a choice. It never is. These girls are held down by multiple people as the procedure is performed. Nobody wants to go through that kind of pain willingly. Dont even get me started on the complications and how painful childbirth was for my mother.

I guarantee you if FGM was happening to every girl and not girls in regions such as egypt/sudan/somalia etc, there wouldn't be such gross unsympathetic discourse surrounding it.

constellationofsuns · 2021-04-09T06:48:42+00:00

So, let’s say a 10 year old girl WANTS FGM. It’s part of her culture. She’s been raised her whole life to view it as a sacred practice to keep her pure. She looks forward to the day she’ll get it and finally be a woman. She wants to be perfect for the man she is sold to. Pure. Virginal. She’s 10. She CANT consent to this kind of mutilation because doesn’t know what it really means. She only knows what she’s been told, and what she’s been told is that it’s a rite of passage to keep her purity. She doesn’t know that it will take away her pleasure when having sex. She doesn’t know how terrible and sexist this practice it is. So the day comes, and the ritual is preformed. They give her no anesthesia. She grows up to be a young woman, maybe goes to college, and she learns about anatomy. Maybe she has sex for the first time. She learns what was done to her and is obviously horrified. She speaks out against FGM. Should we say “it’s okay, she wanted it,” or should we acknowledge that this is a terrible practice that no one should have to go through?

anxious-american · 2021-04-09T01:53:45+00:00

Even if it was "willing," this sounds like it would be a form of self-harm

2021-04-09T09:57:14+00:00

Just as it was with Chinese footbinding, the victims of FGM also live in societies where their ONLY way to earn a livelihood is to marry a man. That or completely abandon their entire social circle and become pariahs scraping together a meager existence doing the menial labor that is available to women - maybe that is an option if refusing marriage doesn't incur an honor k*lling. So, even if the victims of FGM were not usually LITERAL CHILDREN if this pickmeisha had bothered to inform herself she would have known that**, how much of a choice would the women "choosing" FGM really have? Allowing their genitals to be mutilated is the price demanded by their society in order to access the one and only path to financial security and acceptance made available to them.

** (I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt that she did not actually suggest FGM would be ok if a literal child decided she wanted it, let's assume she was thinking of adult women making a "choice")

monch-bred · 2021-04-09T05:42:47+00:00

Also I had thought FGM is done to children, not adults, right? Children can’t consent, so the whole argument doesn’t even follow libfem “logic” 🤡

eclo · 2021-04-09T09:47:45+00:00

Women and especially not GIRLS, cannot freely consent to misogynist stuff they have been groomed and gaslighted into accepting since birth. That’s why choice feminism is such crap, it’s actually part of the gaslighting.

Partypuppers · 2021-04-09T21:41:21+00:00

I feel so sad for the victims of FGM where they have the clit cut off and their labia sewn shut. Like you can never have sex that is to your fullest, 100% enjoyment. You can probably never orgasm or have enough clitoral stimulation to be aroused and wet. All sex must be painful. I remember reading an article where - AWFUL CONTENT WARNING - upon getting married with the woman, the man would have to prove his 'manlihood' by using his penis as a 'knife' (exact metaphor they used) and forcing the woman open. If he couldn't keep an erection, his male relatives would step in and help him (I can't remember if they raped her to help him out or used an actual knife to slice her open, I think I was too sickened and my brain has blocked it out but they would be in the room with him to 'help him out'). After ~~being raped in the most violent of ways~~ having sex some of the women would be so traumatised and so alarmed with the idea of being 'open' and 'loose' down there that they would sew themselves back up in shame.

I'm sorry but fuck that.

poison_snacc · 2021-04-09T14:35:48+00:00

I’ve been seeing so many libfems lately defending males against male circumcision and claiming that it is the “same” as FGM. It makes me so goddamn angry.

LR_today · 2021-04-09T04:08:51+00:00

Please don't report me for derailing.... genuine question that I need FDS answer... are we OK or no with circumcision?

Is it OK to have a preference either way on grown men we potentially date? Are we allowed to chose to have it done to our sons?

I'm going to look through FDS literature now to see if I can find anything.

To clarify, I think FGM & circumcision are 100% different things. I just don't want to discuss it in this sub if it's off limits. Sorry in advance for my ignorance!

FluffandRainclouds · 2021-04-09T12:58:27+00:00

Marked NSFW as a possible trigger warning.

deudeo · 2021-04-09T16:56:21+00:00

What the FUCK??? No woman would want this done. “Choice” feminism really went off the deep end.

IAteTheDragon · 2021-04-10T11:21:20+00:00

Murder illegal? Don't you think it's a little unfair to the women who would choose to get murdered?? How can a man feel confident as a murderer if there's so much controversy around this lifestyle? /s

Title	A great example of how libfem pickmes are dangerous to women. FGM = Female Genital Mutilation.
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Date	April 8, 2021 9:09 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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